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Bertram31.com Bertram 31 General Bulletin Board Archieve Index 1/16 - 8/31/00

Arguably the most famous modern boat design ever built, the 31 Bertram has achieved a near cult status, infecting boaters around the world. Designed by Ray Hunt and built by Richard Bertram, the 31 was in production for 25 years.

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This Bertram 31 Archieve Index covers the period of 16, January 2000 through 31, August 2000

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All Messages 16, January 2000 thrrough 31, August 2000

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Re: Bertram 31 Valuation
Capt Mike Holmes -- 31 August 2000, at 6:37 p.m. EDT

There are several 31's for sale in my area that run for not much more than 25K. Guess the price inflation hasn't gotten here (to Texas) yet.

Re: Flybridge Windshield
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 31 August 2000, at 5:59 p.m. EDT

Jim,

Talked with Mike from American Marine a couple of times today... Like you found out he's very willing to do the plexi work from an existing mold, but further elaborated that the biggest cost of making reproductions would be in die striking the aluminum channel molding, if that piece were also needed.

He gave me another name and company in the area to call, but too much s**t hit the fan today to get with him.

I'm scratchin' my head over the aspects of producing a mold myself. School may be out on that for at least a few days. How critical is your time element in needing to install? I know that you probably had thought, somewhere in the near past, that you would already have it done by now...

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Bertram 31 Valuation
capy -- 31 August 2000, at 4:10 p.m. EDT

Bob,

Low ball him first, but don't insult him, you can count on new engines 20k gas or 40k diesel, alwgrip 20k electrical/electronics 10k, and thats with out any custom work/improvements.

Bare B31 hulls that are'nt beat up, don't need tabbing or deck work, routinely go for 15 to 20k. If it seems like alot of dough, think about this, a new 31 cabo goes for 290k and doesn't have half the pedigree of a B31. The B31 won't be going through shafts and transmisions every season. My boat has 20 year old machinery and runs great! And I only paid a fraction of the cabo.

regards,

paul

Re: Water in tranny?
Trent -- 31 August 2000, at 3:33 p.m. EDT

I have the exact same problem-(also here in Newport) just discovered it 2 weeks ago. Thanks for the advice i just borrowed!
And yes I sympathise w/ the single engine problems. I believe I met you at the Shell dock a month or so ago?

Re: Welcome Aboard Ricky Saunders
Chris Wilson -- 31 August 2000, at 3:06 p.m. EDT

Hi Ricky, welcome

As far as cables etc. are concerned I fitted 2 stainless steel 2" tubes from the dash each side of the v-berth walk thru up through the head liner and ran all cables to tower and flybridge through them. Electronics one side and hydraulics the other. I hope to post some pictures soon.

Regards
Chris Wilson
Cape Town, South Africa

Re: Bertram 31 Valuation
Stan -- 31 August 2000, at 2:47 p.m. EDT

Bought mine, a '70 FBC, hull in great shape & a few years worth of his refurbishing, had one "bad" motor & paid the same. Even if he won't come off of the 25K & you like the boat a lot buy it. The extra five grand won't seem like that much once you start to get into the real bills...I'd do it again, hell & I ain't even finished the first one! Good luck.

Re: Bertram 31 Valuation
russ -- 31 August 2000, at 2:33 p.m. EDT

offer 20K,picked mine UP A 73 for 55K, NEW 7.4,TRANS,DECK,UPDATED ELECTRONICS,951 ECT. NO BODY WORK DONE. ALL THE MONEY IS IN THE ENGINES AND ELECTRONICS.HOPE THIS HELPED.....RUSS

Re: Bertram 31 Valuation
Rick -- 31 August 2000, at 2:28 p.m. EDT

Rob,

I'm sure Capt. Pat (et al.)can give you more detailed advice, but I just bought a 76' Bahia Mar that has re-built (late 80's) Merc 454s that probably have a few more years (I hope!) in them. She needs a complete re-wire, new hydraulics, and mucho cosmetic work prior to new paint, but structually she's in good shape. I got out for around what your looking at, and have been told did okay (at least by the people that I agree with) Good luck!

Rick

Bertram 31 Valuation
Robert Jacques -- 31 August 2000, at 2:14 p.m. EDT

I am looking to make an offer on a 31 Bertram. It's a late 70's early 80's model with an all fiberglass cockpit. It hasn't seen the water for two years but seems to be in very good condition(No dings or repairs) as far as the hull and non mechanical parts are concerned. One engine is shot, the other runs supposedly but didn't look too promising to the naked eye. The flybridge looks to need a little work but nothing major. No electonics or other accessories. The owner is asking 25K. Is this a reasonable asking price. I appreciate any help I can get.

Thanks, Rob

Re: 28 SF?
Tommy -- 31 August 2000, at 1:50 p.m. EDT

Mike,
According to the McKnew/Parker Publication on boats, Bertram manufactured the 28 Sport Fisherman (no aft bulkhead) from 1971-83. Nothing mentioned about a hull hook. Hope this helps.
Tommy

Re: Flybridge Windshield
Jim Bailey -- 31 August 2000, at 1:45 p.m. EDT

Pat,

Please let me know if American is willing to make one from your old one. They indicated to me on the phone a willingness to do so if someone had a pattern. Otherwise I will be glad to buy your old one for the $150 plus etc.

Thanks for all your help.

Jim Bailey

PS- love the idea of a book.

Re: Welcome Aboard Ricky Saunders
Rick -- 31 August 2000, at 12:31 p.m. EDT

Russ,

I'm doing all the work on the boat at Portside Marina in Morehead. Their lift can't get her out of the water, so she's always tied up in one of the slips. If you're in the neighborhood, please stop by and have a look--I'd welcome all suggestions! And by all means, please come by for a cold one any weekend, I'm sure I'll be there (wife willing) and always need supervision--It's great to know one of y'all is local!

Ricky

Re: Cover Boards
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 31 August 2000, at 11:59 a.m. EDT

Glenn,

Not a critical coordinate.. Due east of the cut and 200. Most of our action takes place between Lost Tree Village line and just south of the LORAN tower, in depths of 120', (slight ledge drop there), and 300'. Usually just looking for the usual indicators, (weed/current lines, color changes. birds, etc.), and praying for the luck of the draw...

Our sails are scattered and pretty much year round residents, congregating only in the late fall and winter months. The summer sail are almost impossible to apprehend without small live baits, menhaden and thread fins being the best, followed by small goggle eyes and pin fish.

The winter fish are usually a little on the ratty side, but the summer fish are fat and sassy.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Welcome Aboard Ricky Saunders
russ -- 31 August 2000, at 11:32 a.m. EDT

Rick where are you located, I have a condo in Atlanic beach n.c. which is to the east of Cape lookout.....Russ

Re: Toe Jam
Dug -- 31 August 2000, at 10:46 a.m. EDT

I toed my trailing edges 1 inch wider than the leading edges and it is running straight as an arrow (when I don't have chunks of my propellor randomly flying off!!!) That is my recommendation...

Re: Welcome Aboard Ricky Saunders
Rick -- 31 August 2000, at 10:31 a.m. EDT

Capt. Pat,

Glad to be aboard! To all that may be confused by the "Beach Bum" on the bow...We are at the beginning of our resoration and haven't gotten to painting the new name on yet, and thanks to all that responded to my "Where do I start" posting a few weeks back...all advice was well heeded (masks and bleach when removing headliners--black mold everywhere, replaced thru hulls, and are starting on the wiring this weekend; prettying up the outside is still quite a ways away!) Spent last weekend arse-up scrubbing twenty-five years of gunk off of everything in and around the bilges (Spray Nine really is great)wondering just what I'd gotten myself into with this restoration thing, then got to sit in the fighting chair with a couple of ice cold Kool-Aids watching a thunderstorm beat the hell out of Cape Lookout 10 miles east...Yea, it's gonna be worth it and not half bad now.

Anyone with any suggestions on how to get cables etc. up to the tower without it looking like such a rat's nest, let me know!

All the best,

Ricky

Re: 28 SF?
CRAIG -- 31 August 2000, at 10:10 a.m. EDT

if you are asking if bertram offered a 28 flybridge without a aft bulkhead---yes they did--they are pretty rare and most of the ones i have seen were early models--early 70's. concerning hook---i don't think any hulls from factory came with hook---owner modified probably.

28 SF?
Mike Tirrell -- 31 August 2000, at 9:38 a.m. EDT

Hello All you lucky Bertram owners. When I grow up I want to be just like you. I recently sold my Mako and am starting to ponder a Bertram project. I drooled over a totally refitted Bertram 31 SF this past Sunday near Baltimore. Asking price was 130K. Very clean boat with plenty of power and lots of new custom stuff from Bertram I was told : New custom deck with extra large hatches, etc. Could anyone please tell me : did the 28 come in a Sport Fish? What year did the hooks disappear from the hull? Does it matter... can the factory hooks be ground out? Does anybody know about a 28 SF hull in the mid atlantic area? Willing to repower and do all sorts of elevtrical and wood/glass work. Thanks for the info. Mike T.

Re: Cover Boards
Glenn -- 31 August 2000, at 9:20 a.m. EDT

Sorry that I have not responded in case anyone was looking for me - I am still searching on chart for Sir Patrick's hole/ledge 4 miles off Jupiter at 202 feet.

Glenn

Re: Cover Boards
Gary -- 31 August 2000, at 8:27 a.m. EDT

Hey Capy tell me about the Bertram hats Vic was wearing! availability,price & style.

Thanks Gary

Re: Flybridge Windshield
Capt Mike Holmes -- 30 August 2000, at 9:17 p.m. EDT

Dug or Capy once mentioned a product to use on the plastic windshields that would bring them back like new, but I forgot to write it down. I'll be at that point fairly soon, and would appreciate a reminder.

Re: Cover Boards
Capt Mike Holmes -- 30 August 2000, at 9:11 p.m. EDT

Vic's probably on his way to the sinking houseboat, so I'll answer for him about the "monkey boats". Ever see a small center console offshore bouncing around, full of guys hanging on to everything, like a bunch of monkeys hanging on a tree? That's where the term originated.

I second the motion that Patrick is an exceptionally talented individual. The teak covering boards on my '62 express probably came from the factory, and I'm sure they don't look as good as anything Capt. Pat would make. When I got the boat, they were finished with redwood stain (also the swim platform, teak window frames, and bow pulpit), and I had to sand like crazy to get it off. When I was building my teak deck last summer I learned an awful lot about caulking, so I caulked the grooves in the covering boards (black caulk), Just about ready to re-sand and varnish - I like it to shine!

Re: Flybridge Windshield
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 30 August 2000, at 6:34 p.m. EDT

Jim,

I'm going to try and contact American Marine tomorrow and see if they can duplicate the windshield using mine as a prototype. If they can do it without messing mine up, I may give them a shot at it since there will be others looking in the future. They may not be interested in messing with it, (bottom line mentality stuff), but they are one of the biggest marine aluminum moldings and windshield guys in this region.

If they decline it's yours... How does $150 plus shipping and handling sound?

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Cover Boards
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 30 August 2000, at 6:13 p.m. EDT

Tommy,

You got a sharp eye... Also a bit of ghost image in the sky...

Send me a photo of you wiring *anything* and I'll see what I can do.... 'Corse Uncle Vic is evesdropping and is gonna' put you on the cajun lie detector. It's sorta' like the Christians and Lions gig, but with 'gators...

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Cover Boards
Tommy -- 30 August 2000, at 6:01 p.m. EDT

Patrick,
Great work on the photos! I never would have known that you "removed" that piling had you not shared your secret. I went to the photo you referenced, and the only way I could confirm the missing piling was by the reflection of the bridge in the water. You are a pro at deception, uh, I mean at enhancement. Now, if you'll create a photo of me "wiring" a 600 lb. blue marlin, I'll e-mail it to Uncle Vic to make him envious.

Standing by,
Tommy

Re: Flybridge Windshield
Jim Bailey -- 30 August 2000, at 5:38 p.m. EDT

I'm still figuring all this out so bear with me. Other message got fouled up somehow.

Hey Pat, I'm not making much progress on the windshield. Everyone except R. Bertram who I have not contacted yet since they are on vacation, has not been much help. How much do you want for the used one you have? and how do we go about handling shipping?
Thanks
Jim

Re: Flybridge Windshield
Jim Bailey -- 30 August 2000, at 5:34 p.m. EDT

Hey Pat, I'm not making much progress on the windshield. Everyone except R. Bertram who I have not contacted yet since they are on vacation, has not been much help. How much do you want for the used one you have? and how do we go about handling shipping?
Thanks
Jim

Re: Cover Boards
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 30 August 2000, at 3:31 p.m. EDT

Tommy,

Nope.... The only editing I did on the image with the sail was to remove that damned ever present cigerette from my mouth...

I'm also good at removing pilings from in front of B31s, (http://bertram31.com/img/bt07.jpg South Jersey Marina), and blow boats from the background of B50s, (http://afishingtrip.com/ N. Palm Beach, Old Port Cove Marina). There were about 20 ragbaggers on the hook behind DenDen that day...

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Cover Boards
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 30 August 2000, at 3:21 p.m. EDT

Glenn,

Thanks!

Fished this morning out of Jupiter for 3 hours, four miles off, 202 ft, 2 for 3 on sails, one remora... Does that count? ;^)

Next time you've got the boat down in this area, call Wright's Helicopter Aerials, 561.863.4899, and have 'em send out the chopper to meet you. Drew does just about all the good shots around here and only charges you for the prints that you buy. He probably did the shot of Jamie MacGregor's "Double Mac" on the Images Page.

http://www.wrightsaerials.com/

Best regards,

Patrick

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Wright's Helicopter Aerials

Welcome Aboard Ricky Saunders
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 30 August 2000, at 3:02 p.m. EDT

Ricky,

Just posted "Miss Olive" on the Images Page. Welcome Aboard!

http://bertram31.com/images.htm

Best regards,

Patrick

bertram 31 - bertram31.com images

"Miss Olive"

Re: Cover Boards
Tommy -- 30 August 2000, at 2:33 p.m. EDT

Glenn,
Can Capt. Patrick fish? Go to his biography page and you'll see pics of him man-handling some fish! Patrick, those photo-ops weren't staged, were they?
Tommy

Re: Cover Boards
Glenn -- 30 August 2000, at 2:02 p.m. EDT

Vic - I try to keep her so pretty that the fish just jump in (Rybo cockpit sole, Port Salerno tower, International chairs top and bottom, 33'
Rupp double spreaders). Fish her Hatteras to Keys to Bahamas. Would take a picture on a plane like all those guys but can't get starboard engine running. Also afraid to let her go fast (20?) for fear of rudder chatter - one more thing to worry about. Thought you got a degree in college. I will have another degree if I can follow Sir Patricks instructions for cover boards. Going to start carrying prayer rug on boat so that if I meet him I can properly bow down. The guy is a wizzard - but can he fish?

Re: Cover Boards
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 30 August 2000, at 1:56 p.m. EDT

Paul,

The best thing about no screws and bungs is that the life of the boards are extended by over double. I'll try to dig out a photo or two of a set I did 3 years ago on a 37' Topaz FB. Still look brand new, Started out at 7/8 and he's only lost 1/8" so far. He surfaces down every 3 months with a finish sander and keeps them oiled. Got real lucky with the lumber and found two really first grade planks to work from...

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Cabrera's
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 30 August 2000, at 1:47 p.m. EDT

Ric,

Thanks, I'll contact John Avila this afternoon...

Count me in when you get into West Palm. Which Wednesday are you targeting? Give me call when you get here and we'll hook up. 561.848.3366

Best regards,

Patick

Re: Cover Boards
capy -- 30 August 2000, at 1:41 p.m. EDT

Vic,

Glad you like em, you're right more oil than blood, the dirty bottom, feeding, lobster with fins.

Russ,

I believe vic is refering to the idoits who go fishing and bring their lunches on board complete with bananas for desert. Bananas have long been thought of as a jinx when it comes to fishing. Monkeys eat bananas.....there you go! "Leave your bananas on shore this ain't no monkey boat!"

regards,

paul

Re: Cover Boards
russ -- 30 August 2000, at 12:13 p.m. EDT

ok so what is monkey boat.....russ

Re: Cover Boards
Vic Roy -- 30 August 2000, at 11:59 a.m. EDT

Hey Capy - you are right, it sure is pretty. I'm wearing one of the Bertram hats you sent sitting here for Snow to show up so we can head down to the boat for a couple of days. Marlin look out - looks like the wind is blowing enough to push the grass lines around and chase the monkey boats away, so I should have it all to myself. Bertram Weather.

I didn't know cod had blood. I always thought it was that liver oil that made them go.

Vic

Re: Cabrera's
joe -- 30 August 2000, at 11:53 a.m. EDT

Ric

I'ld like to see that express at the ny boat show. Do you have any details on the boat or the show? NY will be a lot easier for me to get to for a day than miami.

Thanks
Joe

Re: Cabrera's
Ric -- 30 August 2000, at 10:33 a.m. EDT

Cabrera is back in a big way.,new building, new partner(english speaking),new molds ,different applications,.,No, they will not have a boat at the Lauderdale boat show for exhibition.,they will have a 31 express tricked out for the New York boat show in January. Yes they will have a booth in Lauderdale with Plugs and molds etc,,,location to follow later.,.,

Capt. Pat the new partner(cash infusion)would like to set up a link to this web page,,,and a working "association" with you.. His name is John Avila
and his phone# is 305-213-3177,,he would appreciate it if you you could call him..so that he and they might become part of our organization
their web site is .,.,classic 31.twoffice.com

I am flying in on wednesday to drive up to west palm to see the 3 boats they got going right now.,,,.,,.any one want to go???

for the record I am in no way ,shape or form a business associate of Cabrera.,.,I just appreciate quality,craftmnaship, and people who take pride in thier work,.,.,.,and he does!!!!

ric

Re: Cover Boards
capy -- 30 August 2000, at 9:17 a.m. EDT

Vic,

It's a pride of ownership thing, teak on these boats really sets off all that whiteness. Besides, if you just keep it clean and don't oil it, it isn't that much work to keep it preetttyy!
I prefer natural, scrubbed teak under foot than plastic any day! I guess if I was guttin' tuna everyday I would probably feel different, but the just aint no fish in the ocean 'cept for stripers and cod and they don't bleed so bad when under the knife.

Patrick- I wish you did my cover boards...no screws and bungs? must be sweet.

regards,

Paul

Re: Toe Jam
russ -- 30 August 2000, at 7:31 a.m. EDT

I think i'll go with cap'n Pat's two degrees, i think uncle Vic's 2" or 2' or two some thing may be to much for a yankee boat. best of luck, talk to y'all on the side.......russ

Re: Bertram 31 - The Book - Netscape Users...
Carlos Sucre -- 30 August 2000, at 2:56 a.m. EDT

Thanks Capt Patrick.
Major project.
Looks everything on the subject is included and more.Almost a general boatbuilding book.
Great
Carlos

Re: Toe Jam
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 29 August 2000, at 10:50 p.m. EDT

Uncle Vic,

From the pivot axis on the enlarged blades, if each rudder is offset by 2 degrees, that's 4 degrees total and would give approximately 5/8" additional over a zero setting. My theory is to keep drag to a minimum while adding enough constant pressure against the blades to reduce or eliminate chatter. It really doesn't take much.

My rudders will be 10" at max with 8" aft of the pivot point.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Blue Marlin
Vic Roy -- 29 August 2000, at 10:28 p.m. EDT

Stan - may head down there tomorrow or Thurs to fish Fri and Sat. Moon phase is heading uphill, which is good. Call me: ofc 800 260 9908, home 225 927 6258. Maybe we can do something. I hear the Mars floater is hot, but all the monkey boats are getting suckered on a green/dark green rip way inside of it, about 25 nm out, and not burning the 2 buck gas to get out to Mars. I have a tank full of 65 cent diesel, so we can go for the price of a few shrimp po-boys.

Vic

Re: Toe Jam
Vic Roy -- 29 August 2000, at 10:23 p.m. EDT

Now wait a minute - not 2 degrees, it was 2 inches. I mean, crap, 2 degrees on a 8 inch rudder is nothing, like them things they call centimeters, or millimeters, or whatever. Jeezzz - when I was flying 2 degrees was about the tolerance for flying oceans. Patrick - tell me it ain't so - not 2 DEGREES?

Sonny - where are you when we need you? Which swimming pool are you in?

C'mon, help us out.

Uncle Vic

Toe Jam
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 29 August 2000, at 10:09 p.m. EDT

Uncle Vic,

Yeah, I remember he even got sorta' indignant... {GG}

The 2 degree toe in, (trailing edges closer together), is how I've always set 'em up. Sonny is pretty adamant that it's toe out, (leading edges closer together). Like I said, I don't really think it makes much difference as long as the angle is slight and not set at zero...

Come on Sonny, jump into the fray!! You're being all too quite...

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Blue Marlin
stan -- 29 August 2000, at 10:02 p.m. EDT

Sounds great, just got back in town today, so I have to get into the office tomorrow. Fri. or Sat. sounds great to me, hope the weather lays down a bit!

Re: rudders part II
Vic Roy -- 29 August 2000, at 6:53 p.m. EDT

Russ - Uncle Vic lives, in a manner of speaking. Seems like we been thru this toe in and out deal before, but the good news is that Sonny is really back. I talked to him on the phone today, and he is the guru of toes. All I remember is we screwed with him so much about it everyone forgot whether in or out. I seem to remember 2 in. on the trailing edge toe in.

Vic

Re: Cover Boards
Vic Roy -- 29 August 2000, at 6:50 p.m. EDT

Jeeezzzzz! Man, am I glad I got no teak. I did teak covering boards on my B25 myself, and I just bent everything the coonass way - 10 ton hyd. jacks and chain. Worked out, but still had to clean, bleach, oil, etc, plus chicken dolphin blood is almost impossible to get off it.

Uncle Vic votes for spending the money in the machinery spaces, or maybe the bar.

Vic

Re: Cabrera's
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 29 August 2000, at 6:02 p.m. EDT

Jeff,

Indeed Cabrera is outstanding for their workmanship and attenetion to detail. I'm hoping they can be tracked down at the Lauderdale show. They seem rather relactant to return may emails or calls...

Did you notice Jim's reply to your post looking for saddle tanks?

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: 1974 fuel tank
Capt Mike Holmes -- 29 August 2000, at 5:30 p.m. EDT

My 1962 has a 200 gal main tank, but it was custom built for previous owner. Ed Mckneown (spelling?) had a used boat boat out that lesited the original capacity as 175, increased to 225 a few years later by adding a 50 gal tank forward under the helm area. The 1969 I used to run had this setup.

Re: Cover Boards
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 29 August 2000, at 4:50 p.m. EDT

Glenn,

Neither... There's not enough crown in the transom to warrant it.

I assume your term "back saw" refers to kerfing. Kerfing only shortens the life expectancy of a cap rail and creates a problem with both potential voids and what to do about the edges to hide the kerfs.

The most frequent error I see on many covering boards is the use of face cut lumber. Granted it's damn difficult to find nice dimensional teak and anything much over 6" wide is harder still to find in quarter sawn stock.

Here's a solution that I've used on several occasions:

Figure your maximum width needed, which on the B31 will probably be within 10". Find a nice piece of 8/4 stock, about 60% of the final width needed, and have it resawn on a band saw and surfaced S2S. Open the two pieces out for a book match and have the two matched edges joined.

Decide on which face is to be down and resaw a spline channel 1/2" deep down the length of the edge, so that the channel is fairly close to the down face. There should be at least 1/2" of solid wood between the up face and the spline grove.

In teak, make up your spline stock to be slightly thinner than the grove and slightly less the width of the combined grove depths. Clean both groves and the spline stock with acetone, followed by denatured alcohol. Coat all mating surfaces with Gorilla Glue, (http://gorillaglue.com), insert your spline, align the second plank, and clamp it all down tight to a flat surface.

After a 24 hour cure, have your new plank milled S2S. The net result should be a bit over 3/4" and ready to use.

Make a templet from door skin to match your transom, allowing an extra inch of material at each end. Same for your side boards.

Set your teak side boards first and fit your transom board to match. Work from one end only at first, getting the angle cut to match as closely as possible. After you get this match, butt the transom board in tight, clamp it down securely, and using a good back saw, trace the joint all the way through for a perfect joint. (The kerf of the back saw is trimming both the transom board and side board equally.)

Readjust the transom board to butt the side board and re-clamp. Spring the other end down to overlap the other side board and mark your angle cut. Again, leave a bit of margin when you make this cut. Keep working it down until it'll almost snap into place.

Remove the clamps from the first end and drop the second end into place and re-clamp. Use the same technique with the back saw to mate this joint.

Clamp the transom board into place on each end and check your joints for fit. If the transom board is slightly short, adjust the position to have the same joint space on each end.

Make your final marks to fit the edges to the boat, plane to fit, and you're ready to install.

I prefer not to use screws and bungs in my decks and covering boards, (epoxy only), but if you do, pre-drill all of your holes with the boards in place, remove them and clean up all of the drilling debris.

When installing for the final time, be sure that they are *completely* bedded. Absolutely no voids to later trap moisture.

If you're interested in the Epoxy Only technique I use, check http://usamarine.net/cc/proj/deck/fdeck.htm

Have fun...

Best regards,

Patrick

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Teak Deck Installation

Cover Boards
Glenn -- 29 August 2000, at 3:37 p.m. EDT

I need to replace cockpit teak cover boards (1970 Sport Fish). Present ones are about 3/4" and are dry, cupped and cracked. Problem is old aft board over transom evidently split in bending and has never been right. Can I back saw the replacement board or must it be steamed? I can't imagine steaming a board that big but.....

Re: rudders part II
russ -- 29 August 2000, at 2:48 p.m. EDT

Thanks Pat,i'll save that message for the boat yard. nice diagram goes a long way to explain the mesurement. haven't heard uncle vic lately he still with us. thanks......Russ

Re: rudders part II
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 29 August 2000, at 2:37 p.m. EDT

Russ,

I ain't touchin' this one with a ten foot pole!! {GG}

The main consensus is just don't have them straight, and only a degree or two either way is necessary. It's mainly to prevent rudder chatter since there's always a small amount of play in the system.

Best regards,

Patrick

Rudder

rudders part II
russ -- 29 August 2000, at 1:01 p.m. EDT

I will be installing Cap'n pat's new and improved rudders in early october sooooo are they installed with toe in ,toe out, or no toe??????....Russ

Re: Bertram 31 - The Book - Netscape Users...
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 29 August 2000, at 11:05 a.m. EDT

David,

Thanks! Suggestions noted and filed.. Second group would be covered in Ch 5 and "Buying from the internet...Trial and Tribulations" would be in Ch 6

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Bertram 31 - The Book - Netscape Users...
DavidR -- 29 August 2000, at 10:55 a.m. EDT

Hi Pat,

You might want to include a chapter on the Buying from the internet...Trial and Tribulations
Finding,Surveyors,Pictures,prelims,surveys,trips to see it for yourself.finding a good boat,what to lookout for ,what to look for in a boat ...There are many B31's out there..buyer beware...

Re: Cabrera's
DavidR -- 29 August 2000, at 10:46 a.m. EDT

Hi Jeff,

I also just received that book..WOW is right..
Some of that stuff is unreal...I can just imagine at what cost...Also did you notice the line of stripped out shells, at least 10.. I counted in 2 pictures......I love to visit his operation...Maybe if I make tha Lauderdale show.

Cabrera's
Jeff -- 29 August 2000, at 8:58 a.m. EDT

In researching sources for a new cockpit sole, I spoke with the people at Cabrera's. They ended up sending me (on loan, or purchase for $75), a binder book full of pictures of their work. All I can say is WOW!!! Their cockpits are works of art, but they don't touch their work on the interior. You would have to see some of their work to believe it. I'm sure it's for the man who has everything, and a pocketbook to match. They will also outfit you with a complete new flybridge with teak bubble helm if you are not satisfied with the factory flybridge. No, I'm not a salesman for Cabrera's, but just appreciate fine work when I see it.

Bertram 31 - The Book - Netscape Users...
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 29 August 2000, at 8:52 a.m. EDT

Carlos,

You, and all other Netscape Browser users, should be able to see the outline now... http://bertram31.com/the_book/index.html

Was a dumb formating error on my part; the browser wars are alive and well...

If any of you who use Netscape notice any page that you can't see or looks strange drop me a line and I'll check it out!

Best regards,

Patrick

Bertram 31 - The Book

Re: Flybridge Windshield
Jeff -- 29 August 2000, at 8:45 a.m. EDT

It will be hard to get anything acomplished at Richard Bertram this week as Richard Kidd is on vacation this week. I'm still trying to get the correct rudder and rudder port. You can just about forget any kind of service from Bertram. I would try High Tide before calling Bertram, in fact, I just got off the phone with Bertram and they told me to call High Tide. I guess the Italians are behind the eight ball!

Re: Bertram 31 - The Book
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 29 August 2000, at 8:32 a.m. EDT

Carlos,

Thanks! You're the second person to mention that they couldn't pull up the outline... Looks like I'll have to reformat it for Netscape... Check back later this evening.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: 1974 fuel tank
russ -- 29 August 2000, at 7:48 a.m. EDT

what gives with all the different size fuel tanks,the 73's all seem to have 231 ,carlos has a 74 with a 222 whats up with that.....russ

Re: Pics of different versions of 31?
russ -- 29 August 2000, at 7:35 a.m. EDT

Thanks Ken i thought i was the only one with a 231 tank ....russ

Re: Bertram 31 - The Book
Chris Wilson -- 29 August 2000, at 4:54 a.m. EDT

Patrick,

It seems that my 31 is the only one in South Africa. I am nearly finished with my refit and I will be posting some pics soon.

Regards
Chris

Re: Launched Yet???
Peter Fallon -- 29 August 2000, at 4:31 a.m. EDT

Capt. Pat,
we are still finishing cap mold should be done this week.also the inner liner for the console by next week.the boat should be ready for sea trails by mid sept. i'll call you this week.

Re: Pics of different versions of 31?
ken -- 29 August 2000, at 2:34 a.m. EDT

Mine is a 1973 and it says 231 on the sticker also. Ken

Re: Bertram 31 - The Book
Carlos Sucre -- 28 August 2000, at 11:22 p.m. EDT

Hi Pat
Maybe I can help with Venezuelan 31s.
I now several of them based at La Guaira.
At my club "Playa Grande Yachting Club", there is one particular 31 named MAKO owned (I think since new) by IGFA trustee Dr. Ruben Jaen (there was an article on him in Marlin recently) that should be one if not the 31 with more marlins caught.
I make it a point try to get pics of the 31 around here during next few months.
BTW book outline page is empty
Carlos

Re: cabin leaks
Carlos Sucre -- 28 August 2000, at 11:06 p.m. EDT

Is it coming from above headliner?. salt or fresh water?
Water will very easy come from bridge deck to inside above cabin headliner if not careful with hose or heavy seas (example junction on curve laterals of the flybridge, junction of bridge floor-overhang, etc)
Carlos

Re: 1974 fuel tank
Carlos Sucre -- 28 August 2000, at 10:57 p.m. EDT

My 1974 Flyb cruiser has 222 gal.
Carlos

Bertram hats
Vic Roy -- 28 August 2000, at 10:19 p.m. EDT

Capy - got the Bertram hats today. Nice. Thanks. I owe you. Tell Carol not to blush. She is a beauty, and beauty shows.

Vic

Commercial
Vic Roy -- 28 August 2000, at 9:50 p.m. EDT

The response to the Call For Cash to support this site has been substantial. Those of you who have not sent just what you can (no one will know how much, but me, and You Can Trust The Lawyer) please sit down, write out the check to "Roy, Kiesel & Tucker Client Trust Account", put "B31" on the check, and mail it to Vic Roy, P.O. Box 15928, Baton Rouge, LA 70895-5928, and mark the envelope "personal". Also, since I have gotten some from folks that are not regulars on this site, how about including your email address so I can acknowledge other than by snail mail?

The response has been unexpected. I will be sending out a tally to the contributors, sans names, in the next week or so, so be sure you are counted within our number, as the dixieland song goes. Gotta go back to San Diego next week, so if I don't get the tally out, tough s--t, the week after will do.

Thank you, Thank you, contributors. Kool-Aid lives.

Uncle Vic

Re: Flybridge Windshield
Jim Bailey -- 28 August 2000, at 9:34 p.m. EDT

Thanks Vic for checking with Schubert, the guy I talked with was named Frank. Not enough left of mine to make a good pattern, Destroyed in transit when I purchased boat and moved it by truck to NC.

Also-Pat, I was calling Bertram Yacht. In years past when I did a restoration on a 20 ft Moppie, they were great help and even sent me a copy of the original drawings used to build the boat with all the specs, etc. Even sent some free insignias to make it just right. Now they won't even answer the phone in Parts. I'll try Richard Bertram Co tomorrow. Did not realize they had parts- thought they were just brokerage.

Re: Duhhhhhh?
Vic Roy -- 28 August 2000, at 9:31 p.m. EDT

Thanks, Patrick, that's what I thought. We coonasses call it a "pad"; put some flat on the deep v.

Good news is I don't have it. By the way, Tommy Drake sent me the 1960 sport Illustrated article about the Miami-Nassau race and the "Moppie I" winning it. Facinating. Make sure it gets in The Book.

Uncle Vic

Re: Pics of different versions of 31?
Vic Roy -- 28 August 2000, at 9:26 p.m. EDT

My 72 was surveyed (assume the surveyor looked) and reported 235. I have put 225 in it and it was still running. On the other hand, the coonass fuel dock may have had his hand on the scale.

Vic

Re: Pics of different versions of 31?
Jim Bailey -- 28 August 2000, at 9:24 p.m. EDT

mine is a 73 model built in late 72. tank sticker says 231 gallons. Previous 1973 model owned was also 231 gallons.

Re: Block Island Babes
Vic Roy -- 28 August 2000, at 9:20 p.m. EDT

Well, the point was that you guys came with some very, very, attractive ladies who obviously enjoy the B31. I happen to have been married to one of the same for 34 years, so I know from what I speak, or type. You guys are lucky, and I'm sure you know it. Very good-looking couples having a lot of fun. sorry I missed it, but wait till next year. Or till Lauderdale in Oct.

Vic

Re: I,m Back
Vic Roy -- 28 August 2000, at 9:10 p.m. EDT

Well, welcome back, Sonny. Don't sound like fun. Call me. 800 260 9908. I'm coming to Lauderdale thurs - tues or so. We need to line up a place to go hoot where they will understand us. A downscale place, for sure.

Any of you S. Fla. guys know a place - barroom, etc - we can rent, or get a large slice of it for a nite? Place that is on the water where maybe Lee could pull up and we could get out pix taken with wild women? No negatives for sale, please; the 100 mile rule is in effect.

Sonny - give me a call tomorrow at the office on the 800 no.

Vic

Re: Block Island Babes
Dug -- 28 August 2000, at 8:52 p.m. EDT

Vic,

Yup, that one is mine, and I did do a double take on the outboards! That was a 26' Regulator w/twin 250 Yamaha's that was to make the trek to Nantucket that day, in the slop (3-6' or so...). Not a trip for me in an unprotected center console! Oh, the radar, a Raytheon R21XX, same as yours, must just look like a helicopter! I have a friend who was trying to get me to get the big radar, but I told him I like driving the boat right side up! That will still be possible as I got the go ahead from the insurance company today.

As for the girls, yes you are right. They were all awesome, and damned attractive. I would have made the trip if I was you, they are the whole package!

D

Re: Water in tranny?
Wayne -- 28 August 2000, at 6:36 p.m. EDT

Yea that was it . got it off this morn.Had to stand on my head over stbd motor. trans was overflowing w/ "milk" when I got there ,so that solved the diagnose . Bought new 1 for $84.00 @ Stohl engine Newport Bch. Hope installation is easier.This is much easier than the steering problem I fixed all fri. & sat .Ever try to moor a B31 on 1 engine 6' tide rushin in + wind & dark?Fishing is good. life is good .God is awsome! Wayne

Lauderdale Boat Show
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 28 August 2000, at 5:43 p.m. EDT

Jeff,

I'm counting you in for Lauderdale!

Are you still with the stock rudders? I've got the over sized ones available now... http://bertram31.com/parts/replacement_B31_rudder.htm

Best regards,

Patrick

Over Sized Rudder Replacement

Re: I,m Back
Jeff -- 28 August 2000, at 5:31 p.m. EDT

Sonny, I was beginning to worry about you! Thought maybe you might have sniffed too many paint fumes. Send some pictures and tell us what a good paint job is going to cost. If we can ever get the right replacement rudder and port, we'll be back in the water. Fixin' to start on the generator and cockpit sole project, if we can get the boat back in the water....Capt Patrick, if you can get a gang of 31'ers together at the boat show, let us know. We're planning on being there Fri and Sat, maybe Sun.

Re: I,m Back
Capt Mike Holmes -- 28 August 2000, at 5:30 p.m. EDT

Welcome back from Texas, also, Sonny. Missed your insight and humor. That stuff WAS meant as humor, huh?

Re: Pics of different versions of 31?
mike ohlstein -- 28 August 2000, at 4:47 p.m. EDT

1973 231

Re: Block Island Babes
mike ohlstein -- 28 August 2000, at 4:43 p.m. EDT

That wasn't PREDATOR. I never left the dock.

Mike

Re: Pics of different versions of 31?
DavidR -- 28 August 2000, at 4:29 p.m. EDT

Same Here... mine is also a '73' with a 231 Gallons tank

Re: I,m Back
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 28 August 2000, at 4:16 p.m. EDT

YO Sonny!

Thought ya' went to crap and the hogs ate ya'!! Good to have you back.

Glad to hear that you're soon to be wet again, (no pun intended). I know you've been going stir crazy in the mean time. You gonna' make the Lauderdale boat show with us? We're starting to get a gang assembled and Uncle Vic promises to get us outa' trouble... (I know he won't help keeping us out of it!).

Best regards,

Patrick

ps be sure to change your email address in the post form the next time start typing...

Re: Grind 'em off...
capy -- 28 August 2000, at 3:27 p.m. EDT

Patrick,

can't read my home e-mail while at work.

regards,

paul

Re: Block Island Babes
capy -- 28 August 2000, at 3:25 p.m. EDT

Vic,

The boat you refer to is Dug's, I believe and I am not sure that the other boat is PREDATOR,I got the name from Champlins log. By the way, I bet carol blushes when she reads your post.

Regards,

capy

I,m Back
SONNY -- 28 August 2000, at 3:23 p.m. EDT

Sorry to be out of contact Pat. Just finished moving. Boat will be finished in "two weeks" at a grand total of 17.5 mega units! That paint better last a while, cause when I'm gone my wife and her tennis instructor won't be able to afford to paint it again. Sonny ps. My new e-mail address is sonnymorrill@home.com

Re: Duhhhhhh?
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 28 August 2000, at 2:36 p.m. EDT

Uncle Vic,

It's a pad glassed onto the hull bottom from side to side and extending forward by anywhere from a few inches to a few feet. It's tapered to zero at the fwd edge and stands down a fraction of an inch or more at the aft end. In essence, it warps that hull shape at the back causing the boat to rise quicker in the stern under acceleration.

Done correctly, it can add significantly to the hole shot and reduce bow rise on bass boats and go fast rigs. Too much added angle an ya' get a real water plow...

Best regards,

Patrick

Duhhhhhh?
Vic Roy -- 28 August 2000, at 2:22 p.m. EDT

Duhhhhh? Can't resist. What is a "hook" in the bottom?

Vic

Launched Yet???
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 28 August 2000, at 1:42 p.m. EDT

Pete,

How's Ledgend coming? Launched yet?

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Pics of different versions of 31?
russ -- 28 August 2000, at 1:11 p.m. EDT

Pat, mine's a '73 and the tank is 231 it may be the only one but that's what is on the paper glassed to the to of the tank.

Re: Pics of different versions of 31?
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 28 August 2000, at 12:32 p.m. EDT

Craig,

Thanks! I'll try to drag that info up...

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Pics of different versions of 31?
CRAIG -- 28 August 2000, at 12:31 p.m. EDT

you may want to reconfirm when gas capacity was increased to 222 gallons---i had a 1971 boat that had 170-175 tank---my 1977 has 222.

Re: Grind 'em off...
Peter Fallon -- 28 August 2000, at 12:27 p.m. EDT

Gerry.

there is no hook in the bottom of my 1961 express,must be an add on.

Re: Pics of different versions of 31?
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 28 August 2000, at 11:29 a.m. EDT

JK,

Here's a new update for the Specs Page... Ought to help you out some. http://bertram31.com/specs.htm

Best regards,

Patrick

bertram 31 - bertram31.com images

Updated Specs...

Re: Water in tranny?
Denis Anderson -- 28 August 2000, at 11:28 a.m. EDT

Oil coolers are one way to get oil in their,White creamy color or lite pink oil,get the bottom drain out and remove all oil,pull oil cooler tw0 hose's,two oil lines simply put low pressure air on water side place in a pail see bubbles throw it away.Call us for p & D you guys get a 15% discount.Denis 1-631-661-6494 Ph.

Water in tranny?
Wayne -- 28 August 2000, at 10:53 a.m. EDT

I have B.W. gear w/ 454s.. coming in last nite my stbd side came out of gear .On inspection I found trans fluid to be low , white & creamy.That day fishing ever time we stopped I saw an oily film on the water. No oil found in the main heat exchanger or discoloration.I see 1 hose coming from the top does that go to a separate cooler?....Uncle Vic dorado ( dolphins) are here 2 of us got 14 & I tryed your rubber band special on 2oz bucktail, got bumped.I guess they speak spanish here or only live bait. Wayne

Re: Grind 'em off...
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 28 August 2000, at 9:15 a.m. EDT

Paul,

I kinda' doubt that more than a couple of B31s have had hooks added... Sort of a shade tree technique that came from the go-fast and bass boat bunch.

Did you get my email about captions? I'll put the finishing touches and corrections on your images page once I get the info.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Grind 'em off...
capy -- 28 August 2000, at 8:50 a.m. EDT

Guys,

My 61 has no "hook".

regards,

capy

Re: Flybridge Windshield
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 28 August 2000, at 8:29 a.m. EDT

Jim,

Did you call Bertram Yachts or Richard Bertram, Inc.? Richard Kidd and Renee are at R. Bertram, and they are usually very responsive...

I have an original flybridge windshield that is in pretty fair condition. Has one minor crack at a lower mounting hole, (going down away from the body of the windshield), and all scratches could be polished out.

Did you try contacting American Marine In Pompano? They do custom windshields and may have a mold... They're listed on the Links page: http://bertram31.com/links.htm

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Flybridge Windshield
Vic Roy -- 28 August 2000, at 8:22 a.m. EDT

Jim - I'll call the guy I know at Schubert. I broke one of the side peices a few years ago and they had the mold in the attic of the place and made me a new one; hope they did not throw it away.

Vic

Re: Flybridge Windshield
Jim Bailey -- 28 August 2000, at 7:30 a.m. EDT

Bertram says they no longer have any windshields for 31s. Their parts dept seems singularly unresponsive- either no answer to phone at all or never return the call if a message is left. Called Schubert in LA who said they could make one if I would send them one to copy. They did not have a "mold". Any ideas on where to get a new flybridge windshield from scratch? Still looking.

Re: Block Island 2000 update
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 27 August 2000, at 11:35 p.m. EDT

Dug,

Still looking for photos of the BI event and text copy to go with them from you, Richard, & Fred.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Pics of different versions of 31?
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 27 August 2000, at 11:31 p.m. EDT

JK,

Whole smorgasboard of 'em on the images pages...

I'll take your suggestion under advisement and try to make an addition to the specs page in the near future...

Best regards,

Patrick

Blue Marlin
Vic Roy -- 27 August 2000, at 11:31 p.m. EDT

Stan - wanna go catch a Blue next week? Maybe Wed thru Sat? Got a houseboat again, with a/c, etc at least in the upstairs. Snow says he's gonna watch you catch the next one. He finally retied the bucket harness after his fat ass borke it on the 450. We ready to go; even have the shift cable fixed, and the genset is running, so the a/c is gonna work. What a country - what a life!

Vic

Block Island Babes
Vic Roy -- 27 August 2000, at 10:39 p.m. EDT

Man! Who are those good looking babes on the Block Island deal. I guess I'm getting old, but if I'd known ya'll were bring that quality of women to the deal, I might have just flown across the country in the middle of the night.

Hey Capy - great pix - one of them looks like Capt Mike has Yamahas on the back of his 31, but I figured it out, its the one behind him. I like his 6 foot open array radar, too. Always wanted one that big to whoosh around. Mine is only about 3 feet and I feel puny. I bought some spanish anchovies in the glass jar, with all heads pointed down (how they do that?) today, and was thinking about you and Carol. Sorry I missed it. Ya'll might think about coming to the Lauderdale show in Oct. Sounds like we might have a B31 hoot.

anyway, a great photo gallery.

Uncle Vic

Pics of different versions of 31?
JK -- 27 August 2000, at 10:17 p.m. EDT

I am looking for pics of the different versions of the 31. I have read about the differences but would like to see them as well. Thanks in advance.

--JK

Re: Block Island 2000 update
Dug -- 27 August 2000, at 9:33 p.m. EDT

Fantastic Patrick!!!

Capy! Great pictures, and what a story!

Awesome! I am looking to try to get to Gloucester for Labor day, I will let you know. It will be by car unfortunately! We shall see!

Talk to you soon!

Dug

Re: Bertram 31 - The Book
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 27 August 2000, at 1:34 p.m. EDT

Gerry,

Been serious about finding more B31s since day one! Contact them all and let 'em know about the bertram31.com site and give out my address & phone number...

Email me your mailing address and I'll send you some of my business cards.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Grind 'em off...
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 27 August 2000, at 1:29 p.m. EDT

Gerry,

As you start grinding into the bare glass notice the color. If it's a deep green, like you'd find on other areas of the inside hull, then it could be factory, but I kinda' doubt that'll be the case. If there is a color difference, it'll give you a good guide as to where to stop grinding. Once down, keep the transom to bottom edge fairly sharp. Only round it over by about a 1/4" radius. Any more will decrease your following sea handling.

Before cranking up your grinder, you might want to take a look at this: http://bertram31.com/cc/proj/tips/fg_dust.htm

Have fun!

Best regards,

Patrick

bertram 31 - bertram31.com images

Avoiding the dreaded "Grinding FG Itch"

Re: Bertram 31 - The Book
gerry -- 27 August 2000, at 12:20 p.m. EDT

when you get serious about finding 31's. drop me a message, i know of at least 25 31's running out of our small port of port aransas texas, and know most of the owners. many of them have been completely refurbed, and 90% of them have been upgraded to diesels. the name of our 31 is the "ambush" formerly the "private dancer" before that i have no idea.

Re: Grind 'em off...
gerry -- 27 August 2000, at 12:12 p.m. EDT

thanks pat i was going to anyway, but looking at it, it is so precise i've got to believe it was factory. its a sloping hook that covers the whole bottom. any thanks for your help.

Grind 'em off...
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 27 August 2000, at 11:50 a.m. EDT

Gerry,

That modification was most likely done by a previous owner looking to save the cost of trim tabs... Grind it off.

Tabs for your set up would only be usefull for port/stbd trim if you have your boat loaded so that approximately 60% of your weight is aft of the fwd engine space bulkhead.

Best regards,

Patrick

hook in bottom of 31 bertram
gerry -- 27 August 2000, at 11:34 a.m. EDT

i have a 1961 31, and it has a hook glassed in the bottom. i assume it was put there for the low horsepower gas engines of it's time. since then we've added the 6bta 250's and the hook drives the bow down, not letting us get full potential out of our engines. has anyone ever ground the hook out, and if so did you benefit from it?

Block Island 2000 update
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 26 August 2000, at 7:44 p.m. EDT

Capy,

Received your material this afternoon. Thanks for everything!

I've updated the BI page and added "CAPY's Adventure" ( http://bertram31.com/block_island2000.htm ), so all you other guy's can check it out...

I'll get your photos scanned in and posted by the end of the day Sunday...

Best regards,

Patrick

bertram 31 - bertram31.com images

Re: Bertram 31 - The Book
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 26 August 2000, at 3:28 p.m. EDT

Bill,

Thanks! Self publishing would almost be the only way for this book... I've got a couple of friends in the printing business and would need to find a binder. Haven't spent much effort in that pursuit, too far down the road. Just turning over a manuscript to a recognized publisher would be megabucks.

Publishing on C-D will be pretty much a breeze on this wad of wires I've got.

Email me with the info on your custom boats books... Is it a finished edition or still in manuscript form? Good luck on your Tuna Book!

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Bertram 31 - The Book
Bill Smith -- 26 August 2000, at 2:32 p.m. EDT

Pat, I think it's a great idea too but unless you publish it yourself it may be a hard sell. i've got a beautiful book on custom boats that i've been trying to get sold for over 10 years with no luck to date. also just sold, after 5 years, my book on tuna which will be out in November.
Nevertheless as a 31 bertram owner, if I can help let me know.
Bill

Re: Bertram 31 - The Book
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 26 August 2000, at 1:00 p.m. EDT

Don,

Thanks! I just checked the outline link and everything was fine.. I did notice that the server was down for a while early this morning, but shouldn't have caused you a problem at 10:30 or so.

Changed your image file name just now... Sounds like a nice color combo, you must have a pretty fair hull for those dark colors.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Bertram 31 - The Book
Don Cather -- 25 August 2000, at 10:43 p.m. EDT

Patrick, this is an excellent idea,went to see the outline but couldn't get in, is there a problem with it, or is it my computer? Also just refinished my 1972 again,its now Hinkley green with red boot and Interlux grey antifoulant still looks great also if you want to add the name in images its EXACT, really enjoy the website as always,great job!!!

Re: Lags & Epoxy
JIM H. -- 25 August 2000, at 3:53 p.m. EDT

thank you!!!!!!
jim h.

Re: Lags & Epoxy
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 25 August 2000, at 3:06 p.m. EDT

Jim,

Yup...

Re: Lags & Epoxy
JIM H. -- 25 August 2000, at 2:59 p.m. EDT

thanks for the info.iam going to install a diffrent set of engines,can i fill the holes with
epoxy and if the engine mount lines up with the hole can i drill it and install a lag bolt.
thank you very much
jim hohenberger

Re: Bertram 31 - The Book
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 25 August 2000, at 12:05 p.m. EDT

Craig,

Thanks! I'll definitely add that to the history chapter. If I find the book I'll let you know.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Bertram 31 - The Book
CRAIG -- 25 August 2000, at 12:00 p.m. EDT

you may want to include some of the racing history--i have not been able to get my hands on a book called sea race-but understand there are many entries on the 31

Re: DEBBY DISSIPATED
Vic Roy -- 25 August 2000, at 11:27 a.m. EDT

Lee - make the checks out to "Roy, Kiesel & Tucker Client Trust Account" and mail to Vic Roy, P.O. Box 15928, Baton Rouge, LA 70895-5928. Put "B31" on your check and mark the envelope "personal".

I have received a good response, so keep 'em coming.

Vic

Bertram 31 - The Book
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 25 August 2000, at 11:16 a.m. EDT

I've been giving further consideration to authoring a book on the Bertram 31 and believe that I just might do it... Committing it first to C-D and maybe later looking into the possibilities of a hard bound edition.

I've developed a fairly extensive outline that comprises 13 - 14 chapters and 7 supplemental sections and I estimate, at this time, that it will take around 6 - 8 months to compile, edit, and be ready to offer publicly. A lot of the contents have been already amassed here on the website and other elements are being currently gathered at my shop.

I want to extend an open invitation to all of you to be counted into the contents. Especially with regards to including your own boats in the "B31s Around The World" chapter. Approximately 38 of you have at least one image of your boat on file with me. I'd like to get virtually every existing B31 in the world documented at least photographically.

At http://bertram31.com/the_book/ you'll find my current outline. Look it over and see if there are any other areas to which you may want to contribute. All contributors will of course receive recognition for any information submitted & used. Major contributors will receive a copy of the C-D at no cost and all other contributors will be eligible for a discounted price based on their contributions. At this time, I estimate the cost of the C-D version to around $40.00. (Uncle Vic will get a free copy just for being, well.... Uncle Vic!)

If you have material that you would like to submit, but want returned, let me know and I'll see to it that it is scanned or copied quickly and sent right back to you. *My return postage*... If at all possible, original materials and photographs are preferable so that the cleanest copies can be made.

Need my address? Just click the Mailing Address link or look at the bottom of this page...

Best regards,

Patrick

Bertram 31 - The Book - Outline

Lags & Epoxy
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 25 August 2000, at 10:59 a.m. EDT

Jim,

Stainless steel lags are fine and can be inserted at the same time as you fill the holes with the epoxy mix. Just make sure you work out all trapped air. Let the epoxy set up for about 6 hours and loosen the lags by a quarter turn. After the epoxy cures for 24 hours or more, retighten the lags.

Be sure to over size your holes so as to create a good epoxy anchor. Bigger the better...

West System epoxy is fine, but marine grade generics are just as good and cost far less. Check your yellow pages under Adhesives & Glue for a local supplier. My supplier is Glue Products, at http://www.shopmaninc.com/ but shipping might offset any price savings...

Best regards,

Patrick

Glue Products / U.S. Composites, Inc.

Re: DEBBY DISSIPATED
Lee Irvin -- 25 August 2000, at 10:19 a.m. EDT

I'd like to stop in and meet the crew in Fort Lauderdale.

Could drive the boat up and make a picnic of it.

Uncle Vic - who is the check made out to again

Thanks,

Lee

Re: ROT!!!!
JIM H. -- 25 August 2000, at 9:43 a.m. EDT

thank for the advice sorry about the caps! i guess i should use west system with a filler.after i have it fixed should i drill and tap the holes or drill it and use lag bolts
thanks jim h.

Hardware Mounting in Composites
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 25 August 2000, at 8:41 a.m. EDT

Jim,

Take a look at my page on Hardware Mounting in Composites at http://usamarine.net/cc/proj/tips/sleeving.htm

Best regards,

Patrick

P.S. Loose the caps key in your posts - no need to shout! Thanks!

Hardware Mounting in Composites

ROT!!!!
JIM H. -- 25 August 2000, at 7:35 a.m. EDT

I HAVE REMOVED THE ENGINE FROM THE BOAT.AFTER CLEANING UP THE BILGE,I NOTICE THAT THE LAG BOLT HOLES THAT ENGINE IS HELD DOWN BY ARE ROTTED THE REST OF THE ENGINE BUNK'S ARE OK THE ONLY PLACE IS AROUNG THE HOLES ABOUT 1/4-1/2".I WAS ABLE PULL MOST OF BOLTS BY PULLING THEM OUT WITH A PAIR OF VISE GRIPS HOW DO YOU GO ABOUT FIXING THIS. THANKS JIM H.

Over Sized Rudder Replacement for Stock B31 Rudder
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 25 August 2000, at 6:04 a.m. EDT

I will soon have available an oversized stainless steel rudder replacement for the stock B31 rudder.

The info will be developed at http://bertram31.com/parts/replacement_B31_rudder.htm

In the mean time, if you are interested in upgrading your stock B31 rudders, please let me know by emailing me at this address:

B31_rudders@usamarine.net

Best regards,

Patrick

bertram 31 - bertram31.com images

Over Sized Rudder Replacement

Re: 4 vs. 3 bladed propellors
Capt Mike Holmes -- 24 August 2000, at 8:07 p.m. EDT

Oh, I figured you meant each, but I really thought I stole 'em! The prop guy owed me and a friend some favors. On top of that, he gave me a set of 15x15's for my 1 1/4" shafts the year before, and I sold them to a buddy for $200 - so my new wheels actually cost me $400.

I gotta have deals like that to support my habit, - I mean boat!

Re: DEBBY DISSIPATED
Capt Mike Holmes -- 24 August 2000, at 8:03 p.m. EDT

Vic, in '79, we had a little tropical storm named Claudette that sat over my area and gave us over 50 inches of rain in 24 hours. No storm surge, no gale forse winds, just rain and a still southeasterly breeze that kept the tide from going out. My place on the bayou is on ten foot pilings, and I had 2 feet of water in the house. For about 3 days, I lived in a houseboat, sorta. Had a skiff tied to the front porch for transportation - my truck was under 10+ feet of water and wouldn't run so good. Last year we had a little TS that kicked the hell out of the Freeport area, had the highest water in 27 years - almost all of it salt water intrusion.

I'm with Patrick, all of 'em get my attention!

Re: DEBBY DISSIPATED
Vic Roy -- 24 August 2000, at 7:43 p.m. EDT

Yeah, Patrick, been there before with the hurricanes since I was the size of a dead mullet. Seen a bunch, some scared my butt off like the one in '47 (Hey guys, how would you like to be able to throw "47" around) that blew the huge gum tree down in my front yard, thankfully away from the house. I was 5. Then Betsy in 65 and Hilda in 66 or 67 that absolutely tore the crap outta my neighborhood and killed some folks right down the street. On the other hand, us "uplanders" in Baton Rouge are almost 35 feet above sea level, so the storm surge has to clean Stan out in New Orleans (if a big one hits, gonna be named "Old Orleans", or "Former Orleans", right Stan?) before his folotsam washes up in my front yard. The point is, if there is a point here, is that we down here live with the possibility of a big one. I get the impression that the South FL folks have diluted the hurricane gene pool to the point that they think a little one will kill them. I stand on the beach in Miami and marvel at the altitude of the land behind it. Solid 20 feet. Man, us coonasses would sell that real estate as mountain property. Hurricane season just getting started, but for you Yanks, it ain't like we gonna get washed out to sea, unless you hang over the back of the boat.

Finally, to my collauges - make sure them checks are in the mail: Vic Roy, Box 15928, Baton Rouge, LA 70895. Mailman been sorta light thru today.

Vic

Re: DEBBY DISSIPATED
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 24 August 2000, at 7:16 p.m. EDT

Uncle Vic,

Let's hope she doesn't get her attitude back in a couple of days back in the Gulf. Frederick, in '79, did a similar number and ended up a cat 3 as it hit the Red Neck Riviera... Keep our fingers crossed.

You can count me in at Lauderdale. Planning on being there on Friday and Saturday. Probably drive back and forth...

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: DEBBY DISSIPATED
Vic Roy -- 24 August 2000, at 6:58 p.m. EDT

Debby be gone. Big deal over nothin'. Southwest jet stream and the mountains took the wind outta her sails. Not like your ex wife, Sir Patrick, like getting gum on your shoe.

Looks like we might have a group of us Kool-Aid drinkers for the Ft. Lauderdale show. Maybe a groupie outing at some outdoor restaurant and bar to watch the roller bladers? Uncle Vic pledges to pick up the bar bill. Any takers?

Vic

Re: 4 vs. 3 bladed propellors
stan -- 24 August 2000, at 6:42 p.m. EDT

That price was EACH... those 20"ers are a lot more too. You did get a good deal, I payed right at a grand for my pair of 20x22 four blades. (after they put a couple of inches of cup)

Re: 4 vs. 3 bladed propellors
Capt Mike Holmes -- 24 August 2000, at 6:13 p.m. EDT

Good prices, Stan. I just bought two 20x19 3-blades from Michigam for $600 for the pair, and thought I got a special deal.

Re: DEBBY DISSIPATED
Capt Mike Holmes -- 24 August 2000, at 6:09 p.m. EDT

Let's just hope it doesn't re-form in the Gulf and grow big and strong again!

Re: 4 vs. 3 bladed propellors
Stan -- 24 August 2000, at 1:41 p.m. EDT

Dug, talked to my wheel man. Here's the scoop. Michigan bought Hi-Torque, in some instances Hi-Torque has heavier hubs, either way the price on 17x18 four blade brass is $334 & nibral $452 new.

Re: DEBBY DISSIPATED
Stan -- 24 August 2000, at 12:44 p.m. EDT

That's a beautiful thing. Plus it skeeered all them fishes up and amongst our coasts, uh huh. git'em.

DEBBY DISSIPATED
russ -- 24 August 2000, at 11:34 a.m. EDT

ALL GONE,DEBBY IS HISTORY, EVERY BODY LETS GO FISHING.....RUSS

Re: STEERING PROBLEM
Wayne -- 24 August 2000, at 10:33 a.m. EDT

Its cable not hydr.Im goin down today to identify the mfg...Hope u guys r ok Im praying for you.

Re: Flybridge Windshield
Gary -- 24 August 2000, at 8:20 a.m. EDT

Bertram in FL sells them for about $400.+, tinted or clear.

Gary

Re: Flybridge Windshield
Vic Roy -- 24 August 2000, at 7:58 a.m. EDT

Jim - Schubert Marine in New Orleans custom made mine and still have the molds. A little pricy, but looks and works great.

Vic

Flybridge Windshield
Jim Bailey -- 24 August 2000, at 7:26 a.m. EDT

Any ideas on where to get a replacement windshield. Tried Hi Tide but not a good fit.

Re: STEERING PROBLEM
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 23 August 2000, at 11:37 p.m. EDT

Wayne,

Sounds like maybe your seals are shot in the helm. Which brand and model do you have? Does the wheel turn freely or can you detect some pressure? And is it turning the shaft equally? (Not slipping...)

Best regards,

Patrick

STEERING PROBLEM
Wayne -- 23 August 2000, at 10:59 p.m. EDT

Anyone had this happen? My steering wheel would turn but no rudder responce.I came in on auto pilot .. looking underneath I found a compression nut loose directly under the wheel . after tightening it .It worked a few times. Then I replaced the nut .It worked a few more trips .Today we came home steerin w/ trim tabs...now the nut draws down then the shaft turns & wheel turns free. I have a Com Nav auto pilot .It still works . can any one help THE FISH R BITIN! TANKS

Re: 4 vs. 3 bladed propellors
stan -- 23 August 2000, at 10:49 p.m. EDT

Dug, I'm almost postitive my old 4 blades are 17x18's. They were just reworked when I bought the boat, I put ONE of them on to idle to the boat yard. They say its better to bend up a set of brass until you get it right then spend the serious loot cake on nibral once you've tweeked it out. Also, a company bought either Federal or Michigan a while back. That company makes their own version under a different name & the hubs are a lot beefier. I'll check with the guy I bought mine from & we can see if he was BS'n , me.
Stan

Re: 4 vs. 3 bladed propellors
Dug -- 23 August 2000, at 9:59 p.m. EDT

This seems to be the general response. I spoke with a prop shop who said that they had not put 4 blades on a boat like mine, (ours!), and said not to bother. But they did say that it should be 17X18 w/cup, and without question should be made from Nibral. We shall see. I have a couple old sets of props I might be able to peddle, plus a friend who tells me I can use his commercial account for a set of Michigans.

Re: 4 vs. 3 bladed propellors
Dug -- 23 August 2000, at 9:47 p.m. EDT

Stan, Sorry about the reply straight to you, I misunderstood what you meant. I am still surveying the prop shops for advice, it is about coming in 50/50 pro and against. When I find out more I will definitely talk to you!

Dug

Re: 4 vs. 3 bladed propellors
Dug -- 23 August 2000, at 9:44 p.m. EDT

Hardy har har har... Vic, you maka me laugh!!!

Though, you know, it might be a good idea to have reserve blades!!!

Re: Canyon report
mike ohlstein -- 23 August 2000, at 8:30 p.m. EDT

I was in the Fish Tails over night on Saturday. Boat name is Predator. We had one YFT at 51 lbs (eating it tonight again) and one bigger one that broke off at the back of the boat. Both hit at night on fresh butter fish. Didn't have a touch on the troll. Of course I didn't spend much time at it, as the wind picked up. It took six hours to get back to Shinnecock.

Mike

Re: Canyon report
Richard A. Miller -- 23 August 2000, at 5:59 p.m. EDT

Great trip, beautiful and clear but a little choppy from a moderating Northwester that slowed us down a little. The best part: we trolled into a cluster of about six boats just NW of the Fishtail, about 65nm off Montaulk. Only one boat caught anything while we were with them - you guessed it, another 31, the Devon (sp?). She had a doubleheader, probably albacore. Then a few minutes later we got our own doubleheader, also albacore. So there were two Bertram 31s out there playing nooky with the fish, and nobody else seemed to be catching anything that day.

The round trip was about 200 miles from Fishers Island (including five hours trolling). We were back at the dock 11 hours 20 min after we left, in plenty of time for barbecued tuna steaks. Total fuel burn: 110 gallons. The efficiency of diesels still surprises me. Could have stayed out there another day and a half!

Anybody know the Devon? Probably out of Long Island. Shinnecock? Could be I don't have the name exactly right - tried to read it from 250 yards with binocs.

Re: Mysterious Silence
Stan -- 23 August 2000, at 4:26 p.m. EDT

Surveyor lined up for Friday. Call into the Insurance man, fingers crossed. How was your trip off of Montauk???????

Re: 4 vs. 3 bladed propellors
Vic Roy -- 23 August 2000, at 4:18 p.m. EDT

I ditto what Richard said. The fours are smoother and have less vibration, but that's probably because folks who can afford 4's probably don't dally about getting a wheel that's a little bent fixed, where some of us po' 3 bladers live with it for a while. Plus, at lower rpm, the more blades the merrier, such as on a big displacement offshore supply boat where the engine is turning maybe 900 rpm thru a 6:1 gear, resulting in a 150 rpm prop, blade drag is mostly moot. On the other hand, on a gas boat, say a 31, where the engine is turning 3000 thru a 1:1 gear, or even a 1.5, the blade drag becomes a major player in the equation.

Vic

Re: Mysterious Silence
Vic Roy -- 23 August 2000, at 4:06 p.m. EDT

The legal code in coonass yards is "laundry be ready Thursday".

Hooray! The Non-Sinking Houseboat is back! They gonna hook up the electric, water, etc this afternoon, just in time to find out how strong they fixed it. Salvage and repair Tariff a little more than expected, but what else is new. NOAA probability of Debby strike by Sat: Ft. Myers, 15%; Panama City, 7%; mouth of Miss River, 2%. Expecting 105 kt winds by then.

Vic

Re: 4 vs. 3 bladed propellors
Richard A. Miller -- 23 August 2000, at 3:36 p.m. EDT

The standard advice I've heard is that 3 blade props are more efficient because they eliminate the drag from the leading edge of the fourth blade cutting through the water, but 4 blades are smoother and reduce the "rumble." I was told that the blade area of 3 and 4 blade props is almost exactly the same, so 4 blades don't actually give any more "push." And four blades are more expensive.

Re: Mysterious Silence
Richard A. Miller -- 23 August 2000, at 3:14 p.m. EDT

Probably your contract with the yard includes a total disclaimer on their part of any reponsibility for anything short of deliberate mayhem or total stupidity. If they remembered to have you sign one. . .

Re: Mysterious Silence
Stan -- 23 August 2000, at 3:02 p.m. EDT

Everybody kinda seems to be hold'n their breath, not want'n to be picked for this lottery. Trying to track down an appraisor for the Bert.Is the yard responisble for boat damage caused by a storm?

Re: Hurricane Debby
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 23 August 2000, at 1:39 p.m. EDT

Uncle Vic,

Think you and Russ are right... The latest tracking and forecast looks like it'll cut across the Glades, water down Sonny's lawn, take a deep breath of hot water and squint down on the delta.

Only reason it dropped back to TS status was the DR mountains sucking out some of the low end. Should be back to hurricane stats by the end of the day. The Glades are hot, flat and wet enough not to knock much of an edge off of it.

Wishing everyone in the path a load of good luck!

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Hurricane Debby
russ -- 23 August 2000, at 12:46 p.m. EDT

Uncle vic, looks to me west coast of fla. and into the gulf sorry 'bout that . i hope it stays a t.s. and peters out in any case batten down the hatches and good luck....russ

Re: Hurricane Debby
Vic Roy -- 23 August 2000, at 12:37 p.m. EDT

I knew the day they splashed the New And Improved And Non-Sinking Houseboat the hurricane would come. Your roll of the dice, Chickens--t Insurance Company! Looks to me like it's gonna turn and graze the FL east coast and then maybe curve out over Jeff's wahoo hole. The water in the Gulf is so hot that if it gets in here we are screwed. Batten down the hatches and exercise the generators.

Capy - thanks re the hats.

Vic

Re: Hurricane Debby
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 23 August 2000, at 9:06 a.m. EDT

Thanks Paul!

Looking like she's going to take aim on Miami, but the stream could pull it a bit north and closer to my neighborhood...

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Hurricane Debby Discussion Number 12
capy -- 23 August 2000, at 8:40 a.m. EDT

Patrick,

If it does head your way, yuo will be in our thoughts and prayers. I will be sending via snail mail, some BI stuff and some "vintage" B31 stuff your way today.

Regards,

capy

P.S. Vic, you will be getting your hats as well.

Re: 4 vs. 3 bladed propellors
Ken -- 22 August 2000, at 5:09 p.m. EDT

My 31B is powered with a pair of 270hp Cummins B series engines. I throw a 19 x 25 4 blade prop. The response and feel is smooth and excellent.

Hurricane Debby Discussion Number 12
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 22 August 2000, at 4:17 p.m. EDT

I just talked with Tom Oakes on the phone and one of our topics was Hurricane Debby... (Gotta' watch this closely - my ex-wife's name sake...)

Since others of you have your B31s down here, I thought you might want a link to the same Hurricane Tracker the I use: hurricane2000.com (http://www.hurricanes2000.com/FRMHUR2000.Html)

This bitch has all the earmarks of making her way to SE FL, rather than turning north as is more usually the case.

Best regards,

Patrick

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Statement as of 11:00 am EDT on August 22, 2000

an eye feature has continued to spin up and spin down in about 3 hours increments over the past 24 hours...and recon and radar data indicate that Debby may be wrapping up an eye again. Outflow has improved during the past 12 hours and the overall convective pattern has become more circular.

Initial motion estimate is 290/19. However...recent recon and radar reports suggest that Debby may be making another wobble to the west and is currently passing over the Virgin islands...and the southern eyewall may just skirt the northeast coast of Puerto Rico this afternoon. In the longer term...most of the model guidance has shifted a little more poleward with the ukmet model slowly tracking Debby northward through the central Bahamas in 48 to 72 hours. All of the global models maintain a weakness in the 500 mb ridge axis over the southeast U.S. And Bahamas...but the ukmet digs the northern U.S. Trough further south than any of the other models. However...even the ukmet model maintains the surface to 700 mb ridge to the north of Debby through 72 hours. As a result...the official track merely slows the forward Speed down to 8 kt in 72 hours rather than recurving the cyclone to the north. The official track is just north of the previous forecast and a little south of the GFDL model.

The rapid motion of Debby should keep any significant intensification from occurring for probably the next 24 hours... and in 36 hours...some southerly down slope flow off Hispaniola may hinder the intensification process. However...by the 48 and 72 hour periods...Debby should be clear of any land effects and be over 29c or higher ssts. The warm water and impressive outflow pattern would tend to favor significant intensification and Debby could possibly become a major hurricane at that time. In fact...the GFDL model takes Debby down to 937 mb in 72 hours. We are following the ships intensity model...which has performed well...until the inner core of Debby becomes better organized. Forecast intensities may be adjusted higher in the afternoon forecast.

Forecaster Stewart

forecast positions and max winds

initial 22/1500z 18.5n 64.4w 65 kts
12hr vt 23/0000z 19.2n 67.0w 70 kts
24hr vt 23/1200z 20.3n 70.3w 75 kts
36hr vt 24/0000z 21.5n 73.2w 75 kts
48hr vt 24/1200z 22.5n 75.5w 80 kts
72hr vt 25/1200z 24.5n 78.5w 85 kts

hurricane2000.com

Re: Heat Exchangers and oil coolers
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 22 August 2000, at 2:22 p.m. EDT

Craig,

Denis' number is: 631.661.6494

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Heat Exchangers and oil coolers
CRAIG -- 22 August 2000, at 2:12 p.m. EDT

whats your phone # and address---would love to talk to you about the 540's.

Re: Heat Exchangers and oil coolers
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 22 August 2000, at 11:35 a.m. EDT

Denis,

Good talking with you a few minutes ago... Welcome Aboard!

Still waiting for your email, wasn't in my last download...

Best regards,

Patrick

Heat Exchangers and oil coolers
Denis Anderson -- 22 August 2000, at 11:24 a.m. EDT

We have just bumped into your site,and would like to offer all members our trobleshooting expertise as well as projets completed on 31 berts.Phil in Babylon we just did Marks 31,BELLE a bad Crusader U-Cooler cost them a engine.Tony's 25 Marlene,both out of Babylon.We also helped Pat from Bay shore Redesign a 31 with 540 stroker's replacing 440's to all members if we can help give us a call.

Re: Bilge Finish
Bill M. -- 22 August 2000, at 9:53 a.m. EDT

Patrick,

Thanks for the response.I am not using epoxi ,as in West,but epoxi primer (red),as in,say,Sherman Williams.The finish coat is epoxi paint.

As for the rest of you meat heads,come on down and I'll show you how it's done.

Thanks to all,Bill M

Get Your Own Personal Images Directory
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 22 August 2000, at 7:58 a.m. EDT

Get Your Own Personal Images Directory at Bertram31.com

Not everyone has access to a Web Server and their own personal web files. Nor do they want to go through the hassle, expense, and learning time required to develop and publish a website. But wouldn't it be nice if you could at least have your own personal images available for use on the web? Images that could be used when posting to the bertram31.com or other similar bulletin boards? (More... http://bertram31.com/help/my_images.htm )

Best regards,

Patrick

bertram 31 - bertram31.com images

Your Own Images Directory

Re: History of boat.
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 22 August 2000, at 6:45 a.m. EDT

Stan,

Elizabeth City is a pretty small community and only has one marina, (that I remember...), and I suspect everybody there knows each other. Try contacting The Pelican Marina and see if they have a recollection of "Dark Star". Also contact Coinjock Marina.

Pelican: http://www.atlanticcruisingclub.com/MarinaGeoList/No.Carolina/pelican_marina.htm

Coinjock: http://cruiseguides.com/iwfg/marinas/pages/075.html

Good hunting!

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: cabin leaks
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 22 August 2000, at 6:28 a.m. EDT

Ralph,

One technique I've used to track a leak down is to stuff paper towels into every conceivable nook and cranny and then hose the exterior hard. Going back then and checking to find the wet towels usually pin points the leak(s).

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Bilge Finish
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 22 August 2000, at 6:20 a.m. EDT

Bill,

Sounds like your approach is sound and the only addition I'd recommend is to give all of you clear epoxy a final coat of opaque epoxy paint, (which is probably what you're referring to as your finish coats...).

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Ft. Lauderdale boat show
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 22 August 2000, at 6:13 a.m. EDT

Uncle Vic, Tommy, & anyone else going to the show,

I look forward to meeting those of you who'll be at the Ft. Lauderdale show!

I spoke to Jamie MacGregor yesterday evening and will be using a corner of his booth as a meeting point. I'll call his secretary this morning to get a diagram of the location and post it later...

I haven't locked down the dates that I will be there, but it looks like Friday and Saturday at this point. I'll have my office phone transferred to my cell so you can track me down there, if need be.

Best regards,

Patrick

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Ft. Lauderdale Internetional Boat Show

http://www.showmanagement.com/ftlauderdaleinternational_frame.htm

Thursday, October 26 10:00 a.m. - 7:00 p.m. Dealer day Prime Time

Friday, October 27 10:00 a.m. - 7:00 p.m.

Saturday, October 28 10:00 a.m. - 7:00 p.m.

Sunday, October 29 10:00 a.m. - 7:00 p.m.

Monday October 30 10:00 a.m. - 6:00 p.m.

Re: Soiree & Sir Patrick Bucks
mike ohlstein -- 21 August 2000, at 10:45 p.m. EDT

I might be able to help you out with the helmet and cam......I was a motorcycle racer in a former life.

I still do some instruction up at New Hampshire International Speedway. Northeast 31'ers will get a special rate next season.

Mike

bertram 31 - bertram31.com images

Mike The Bike

Re: cabin leaks
ken -- 21 August 2000, at 9:45 p.m. EDT

Ralph, your leaks can come from about anthing that is mounted up above on the bridge. look good at your headliner to see where it might be dripping from. It can leak on the other side and roll over to the staeboard and run down buy the bulkhead wall for the head. Grab rail fitting , antena fittings or any fitting mo0unted on the bridge is where it will leak. I had that problem and fixed it by removing all of those things and filling holes , even all of the windows. Good luck Ken

Re: Ft. Lauderdale boat show
Capt Mike Holmes -- 21 August 2000, at 9:19 p.m. EDT

What's Sonny's suggestion? He probably wants to see the new Bayliners, anyway!

Re: Ft. Lauderdale boat show
Stan -- 21 August 2000, at 6:12 p.m. EDT

Boca surf club. You'de HAVE to have a sense of humor.

Re: Moving head to v-berth?
Stan -- 21 August 2000, at 6:07 p.m. EDT

It's all personal preferrence & to each his own. I hate to even have to put a half tower on my boat in order to see the electronics. It takes away from the lines a bit but I gotta do it. I dont think anything you do to it is bad as long as you like it. I appreciate good modifications but to me it still isn't as nice as stepping on board a showroom condition classic. Would like one of those live wells in the back though... If my shrink wasn't a speargun, they'de probably tell me its some sort of latent reconsiliation for modifying & selling my 67 Camaro years ago.

Ft. Lauderdale boat show
Vic Roy -- 21 August 2000, at 6:01 p.m. EDT

Men, this internet is great. I put "Ft. Lauderdale boat show" in and got about a thousand hits. It is October 26-30 this year. I have been to the Miami show for years, and think the Lauderdale show is now better.

I used to stay in the Pier 66 there when I had a case for Uncle Sam down there in the late 80's, but it's probably a little pricey during the show. Anyone down there have any ideas of a place we could stay that has a sense of humor?

Vic

Re: Screen Saver
Capt Mike Holmes -- 21 August 2000, at 5:57 p.m. EDT

Vic, how come you never mentioned the shrimp shed ladies before? I once saw a really cute little blonde working on a shrimp boat offshore of Port Aransas. I figured she'd come back to port with the rest of the crew's money - they'd all have knife wounds from fighting over her! We had a comely lass for a deckhand on that charter trip, the capt would send her up to ask the guys on the shrimpers if we could tie up, and they'd give her bait - whatever they had. A friend said he pulled up to a shrimpboat one morning and two gals tried to hitch a ride back to port. Seems they sobered up and realized their husbands might be looking for them!

But enough tales of romance and the sea...

Re: Bilge Finish
Capt Mike Holmes -- 21 August 2000, at 5:50 p.m. EDT

What a buddy! This is the spirit that makes Bertram31.com such a special place! I've seen some really pretty below decks work, and really intended to paint mine, but as far as I got was the engine areas. Maybe some other time.

Re: Soiree & Sir Patrick Bucks
Capt Mike Holmes -- 21 August 2000, at 5:48 p.m. EDT

On second thought, they may not even let me in that press association! I'll keep an open mind about it, at any rate. Sounds like it would be a damn good time. Wish the Gulf Council would schedule a Mackerel Advisory Panel meeting the same time, then the gov'ment could pay my way, and I'd have an excuse to go without the wife!

Re: Moving head to v-berth?
Capt Mike Holmes -- 21 August 2000, at 5:44 p.m. EDT

I think we're all correct! Moving the head would create more room. In my case, I sometimes live on the boat for extended periods (might be even more extended in the near future!), and plan to do some overnighters offshore. Also, on charter trips with female customers, a standup head is what they ask about before boat length and type of power!

Re: Soiree & Sir Patrick Bucks
Vic Roy -- 21 August 2000, at 5:44 p.m. EDT

Gotcha, Capt. Mike - Lake Chuck is a nice town, but Lauderdale, it ain't. Mike O. - it is always the last weekend in October. I'll check and let ya'll know. I might even take my driver, Snow, in addition to my famous son (who can get us in all the cool stuff thru his sponsors) so we will have a d.g. driver, and since he's a retired cop, probably immunity from most misdemeanors and minor felonies.

I'll start some serious organizing. Maybe we can talk Bertram into giving us a tour of the factory and some perks. Hey, Capy - you tite with the gal over there that sent the hats? Tell her we will all wear the hats and do a daisy chain, or somthin'.

Maybe they won't understand coonass humor, hun Stan? I maen, if it's dead, you gotta eat it, right?

Uncle Vic

Re: Capt Mikes "Black Sheep"
Capt Mike Holmes -- 21 August 2000, at 5:40 p.m. EDT

Roger, - I mean, Chuck! My mechanic had me put another, generic solenoid to hold the run solenoid, instead of just using key position - said it would prolong the life of the run solenoid. He helped me wire the starboard, my son and I did the port. We could have crossed a wire, one may have already come loose, or the solenoid is worn out. I'll have my guy down to help check it out one evening this week. Thanks for the advise.

Re: 4 vs. 3 bladed propellors
Capt Mike Holmes -- 21 August 2000, at 5:36 p.m. EDT

We ran 4 blades on a 31 hardtop with 454's, 1.5:1 Borg Warners, big heavy tower. I think they were 17x17, and they were a big improvement over the 18x18 3 blades the previous owner was using - but, as I remember the engines weren't running just right. New owner put the 3 blades back on, with a little cup and maybe some more pitch, and he's doing better. He also did a lot of engine work.

Re: Soiree & Sir Patrick Bucks
Capt Mike Holmes -- 21 August 2000, at 5:30 p.m. EDT

Vic, probably have to wimp out myself. Got to burn some precious vacation time to go to a Southeast Outdoor Press Association conference in Lake Charles in October, They're going to "roast" Homer Circle the first night, and I'd like to see that. Plus, my folks live just this side of the border and it would give me a reason to drop by and visit them. When I stop working for this damn chemical company, though, I'll become a much more traveled fisherman!

Re: Moving head to v-berth?
CRAIG -- 21 August 2000, at 5:14 p.m. EDT

in regards to vintage cars-i agree with you 100%--but feel the boat market is not compareable-a collectors market has never really developed for concours authentically correct examples---except for possibly maghony race boats----for example 37 and 43 merritts (some of the most covetted and pampered) that have been continually updated are usually worth more than examples that have not been---what about all those diesel conversions do you think they make boats more or less desirable or or what about capt patrick mccrary fortuna? i agree there are many modifications to boats that make them unattractive to anybody but owner---but some improvements can make a better boat.this is only another opinion.

Re: Soiree & Sir Patrick Bucks
Stan -- 21 August 2000, at 5:11 p.m. EDT

Yeah, that's the ticket! I'll bring the speargun on the hunt. Now I just need to find a set of shoulder pads & a crash helmet(with video camera duct taped to the top of it), hide behind a fat tree & wait for a 1200lb animal to wonder by. What a ride.

Re: Soiree & Sir Patrick Bucks
mike ohlstein -- 21 August 2000, at 5:10 p.m. EDT

What are the dates?

Mike

Re: Soiree & Sir Patrick Bucks
Vic Roy -- 21 August 2000, at 4:26 p.m. EDT

Stan - spearguns and Elk? How you gonna hoist one of them big suckers up if you don't have an oil rig and your boat? Them flippers gonna make it hard to climb up the hills.

Well, I played hookey most of the afternoon, and it sure feels good. Gonna do it most of this week. Maybe go visit the Sinking Houseboat and sort of cover my eyes and peek at the carnage. "Bring checkbook" was the last I heard. Oh well, it's only money, and money is only good for women and boats.

Well, one whimp out of the Lauderdale show; any takers, like real men?

Vic

History of boat.
Stan -- 21 August 2000, at 4:04 p.m. EDT

Wondering if any of you East Coasters know anything about my boats history??? She was named "Dark Star" out of Elizabeth City, NC
Thanks, Stan.

Re: Soiree & Sir Patrick Bucks
Stan -- 21 August 2000, at 3:57 p.m. EDT

Love to Uncle Vic, BUT, going Elk hunting in CO. I know, I know, ya ain't gotta say it.

Re: Capt Mikes "Black Sheep"
springloaded -- 21 August 2000, at 3:48 p.m. EDT

Mike
Your run solinoid has two functions it is activated by the starter solinoid and is held in run position by ignition switch.There actually should be another solinoid right next to starter that activates the run solinoid when you push the starter button.To put it simple when you push the starter button it pulls the solinoid down and the power from ignition switch holds it there.chuck

Soiree & Sir Patrick Bucks
Vic Roy -- 21 August 2000, at 2:56 p.m. EDT

Hey Mike - what an idea. Any of you guys interested in going to the Ft. Lauderdale show in late Oct? I'm planning on going, and maybe towing son Capt. Brent along for laughs. Maybe stay in the same place and get a group rate or such. I usually go to the Miami show, but my group was so rowdy the last couple of years we had to let the APB's cool off for a while. Like forgetting what rent car co. we had gotten the car from, losing the paperwork, and driving around from place to place with the guys scanning the bar code in the trunk and shaking their heads. Fact that it was 6 am on a Sunday morning, raining cats and dogs, and none of us had been to bed at all, having rushed from the barroom to the parking lot. Not a pretty sight.

We could use the Sir Patrick Bucks for the bar bill.

Takers?

Uncle Vic

Re: Moving head to v-berth?
Stan -- 21 August 2000, at 12:53 p.m. EDT

If it's in good condition, don't mess it up. Hind site's 20/20. This isn't a 1983 dodge K car, it's more like a vintage vette. I could kick myself in the ass for altering certain vintage cars in the past. I think of these boats the same way, but that's only an opinion. I've got a buddy that want's to put a chainsaw to his 28 Bert., I told him I'd buy the gas. It's not a 31.

Re: 4 vs. 3 bladed propellors
Stan -- 21 August 2000, at 12:40 p.m. EDT

Talked to Richard Mastry in St.Pete & he recommended 20x22 four blades for my application. 300 Yanmars & want to push a load. He also said that they are much quieter & smoother running. I haven't put mine in the water yet though. I have a set of 1&3/8" four blade wheels for sale, I think they're 18x19s.
Stan

Re: 4 vs. 3 bladed propellors
Jeff -- 21 August 2000, at 12:38 p.m. EDT

Dug, I checked into 4 blades also. I know of a 31 owner in Wilmington who turns 17x17 4 blades, and thinks it raises more fish because of less white water. However, when I asked my mechanic guru about it, he discouraged me from doing it, saying that the big blocks simply didn't have enough torque, (like the diesels do). However, you can certainly do it if you go small enough, pitch and diameter. I went with my guru's advice, because he is a guru!

Re: Screen Saver
mike ohlstein -- 21 August 2000, at 12:26 p.m. EDT

Perhaps we should have Patrick Bucks made up that would be redeemable for clears at the inevitable group soiree.

Mike

Re: 4 vs. 3 bladed propellors
mike ohlstein -- 21 August 2000, at 12:16 p.m. EDT

I'm using 20X22 four blade props with my Yannmar 230's and it's a smooth running machine. I could probably have gone to 23 pitch or a light cup, but I'm getting 2 mpg at 23 knots. What more can you ask for?

Mike

Re: 4 vs. 3 bladed propellors
Vic Roy -- 21 August 2000, at 11:37 a.m. EDT

Dug - 4 blades would be a great idea for you, so when you throw a blade you will still have 3.

Vic

4 vs. 3 bladed propellors
Dug -- 21 August 2000, at 10:32 a.m. EDT

Hi all,

Since this busted blade thing has gotten me into the need for another set of props (i used my spares to replace the broken ones) I am wondering if anyone has experience with putting 4bladed props on the Bertram 31. It is a heavy load, which matches with the application, and I think it will improve efficiency at cruise, and smooth any vibration down a bit. I know I will lose top end, but I don't run the boat at that speed for any other reason than performance measure and not for long! What do you think, is it worth investigating?

Dug

Re: Block Island-checking in
Dug -- 21 August 2000, at 10:23 a.m. EDT

Sounds good, I can probably do shelter Island as well, if I am eager to risk the props again!

D

cabin leaks
Ralph -- 21 August 2000, at 10:00 a.m. EDT

1986 silver anniv. 31. have annoying leak of rainwater and spray that puddles in small cabinetabove sink on starboard side.have checked windows and seals around a variety of mounts on bridge deck without luck. any thoughts?

Re: Moving head to v-berth?
CRAIG -- 21 August 2000, at 9:35 a.m. EDT

i also have a flybridge crusier and planning on converting to sportfish with open bulkhead--i strictly use boat as day boat--no overnighters---the stand up head just takes up too much room--always looking for cabinet ideas for port side which will include tackle locker.

Re: Screen Saver
Vic Roy -- 21 August 2000, at 8:50 a.m. EDT

Glenn - the donations deal has nothing to do with the screen saver, it is just for folks that would like to contribute and remain anonymous. You are obviously free to send Sir Patrick Units direct for the screensaver or otherwise.

I also offer my 31 for a second opinion on the bilge cleaning and coating experiment, and will provide lodging on the Sinking Houseboat, cajun food, booze, and a free shot at the ladies that work in the shrimp shed.

Vic

Re: Screen Saver
Glenn -- 21 August 2000, at 7:03 a.m. EDT

Vic - Am prepared to send $$$ but would also like to get screensaver. Will there be a tie to Sir Patrick so that he will know?

Re: Bilge Finish
Glenn -- 21 August 2000, at 6:53 a.m. EDT

Bill -
I hate to see you risk the appearance of you bilge without fully testing your application procedure. In an effort to promote freindship among 31 owners, I hereby offer my boat as a test model. I will make the boat available to you here
in South Carolina, and will provide room, feed and booze while you cleaning & paint. I return, I will continue to keep you advised of any condition parameters that you may establish.

Re: Moving head to v-berth?
Capt Mike Holmes -- 20 August 2000, at 11:35 p.m. EDT

A really nice 31 now in Freeport, Bullet (from Florida) has this sort of set up, but it turns it into strictly a day boat, in my opinion. Plus, I remember the old Owens Concordes - 33 had a head compartment towarss the bow, but to starboard before the bunk area, 36 had the head in the bow, and it was a very uncomfortable place to have to "go" when offshore. I go with Ric on this one, but then, I've done some stuff to my boat most might not agree with,

Re: Capt Mikes "Black Sheep"
Capt Mike Holmes -- 20 August 2000, at 11:30 p.m. EDT

Patrick, thanks for getting the pics on - look real good, Vic, yep, that a wood spoke wheel. Don't steer near as good as my stainless one, but I like the looks a lot better!
Got the second engine cranked today! Either I wired the run solenoid wrong or it needs replacing, 'cause we had to hold it open to crank, but then it fired right up. Some more plumbing, wiring, and puttin' stuff back together, and I'll be ready for a shake down cruise pretty soon!

Re: Capt Mikes "Black Sheep"
Vic Roy -- 20 August 2000, at 4:12 p.m. EDT

Mike - that's some serious machinery you got there. But is that a real wood spoke steering wheel?

By the way, the response to the call for cash has been great. Not only will your name, but the amount you gave, reamin anonymous. The accounting I will give contributors from time to time will be statistical only. I did get one email questioning the sanity of sending money to a lawyer who promised to do right with it. My response was that since your check will be stamped with our law firm client trust account deposit stamp, Uncle Vic knows of a helluva lot better ways to steal your money than that.

Make checks out to "Roy, Kiesel & Tucker Client Trust Account" and put "B31" on the check. Mail to Vic Roy, P.O. box 15928, Baton Rouge, LA 70809-5928, and mark the envelope "personal".

So far, so good. Don't forget to send what you can, and I will acknowledge all contributions so you will know it got here.

Vic

Capt Mikes "Black Sheep"
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 20 August 2000, at 3:52 p.m. EDT

Capt Mike,

Here's your personal image directory... http://imra.net/capt_mike/tn.htm

Best regards,

Patrick

bertram 31 - bertram31.com images

Capt Mikes "Black Sheep"

Ahoy Harold Miller
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 20 August 2000, at 2:41 p.m. EDT

Harold,

I got your request for the Screen Saver download, but your email address didn't come through... Email me directly with it so I can let you know when your download is configured.

Thanks!

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Moving head to v-berth?
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 20 August 2000, at 1:41 p.m. EDT

Paul,

That's where we put it on "Fortuna"... Tremendous space saver. Salon fully open. You can add a curtain across the companionway for perceived privacy.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Moving head to v-berth?
Ric -- 20 August 2000, at 1:40 p.m. EDT

.,sounds like a flybridge cruiser to a sport fisherman haven't done it and have not seen it done.,your talking gutting from the starboard bulkhead wall the whole fiberglass bathroom the interior wall and the sink and ice box area.,.why? is it unsalvageable.,ive seen sport fishermans.,with counter space and cabinets starboard.,with lockers and microwaves.,and fridge etc .,.,nice application.,.,we're all short when it comes to tackle space.,i dont see the end .,justifying the effort.,unless of course .,your just itchin to tear it up.,and get in there with your plans.,in which case.,.,go gettem

Moving head to v-berth?
Paul -- 20 August 2000, at 1:06 p.m. EDT

My goal is to create a tackle center or fishing gear storage in that space. plus I think it would increase the "perceived" cabin space and improve the lighting; by keeping it the same height as the "galley" counter top. good idea? any problems? Has anyone done this?

Site Finances
Vic Roy -- 19 August 2000, at 5:02 p.m. EDT

Well, just got back from San Diego, and man, it is HOT here - about 98, but cooler than the 103 in Dallas a little while ago.

I have received some donation responses and will follow them up. Here is the deal:

1. donations to support this wed site should be made payable to "Roy, Kiesel & Tucker Client Trust Account" and put "B31" on your check. Mail to: Vic Roy, P.O. Box 15928, Baton Rouge, LA 70809-5928, and put "Personal" on the envelope.

2. I will have our accounting dept make a copy of each check prior to deposit for records, and forward the money in batches to Capt. Patrick. Your identity will not be disclosed unless you specifically direct me to do so.

3. I'll give contributors an accounting from time to time. There will be no administrative costs charged, so 100% of the funds will get where they are intended.

SO - SEND SOME MONEY, GUYS!!! Any amount will do.

Vic

Bilge Finish
Bill M. -- 19 August 2000, at 12:24 p.m. EDT

Recently I've read several comments on the surface finish of under deck components.
I would appreciate comments on how I am proceding.
As I finish an area,say,around the strut back up boards or aft,tank,bulkhead I sand,wire brush,wipe down with epoxi solvent and paint with epoxi primer and then a coat or two of industrial epoxi.
The unglassed wood (bare) I have been painting with thined out epoxi primer,for better penetration, and then applying the finish coats.
I plan to follow this procedure through the entire hull.
Comments please.

Thanks,Bill M

Re: rub rail
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 18 August 2000, at 9:55 p.m. EDT

Jerry,

I presume you're referring to the aluminium guard rail. There is a paintable PVC kit that is available as a complete replacement, including the forward bull nose. The kit is available from Richard Bertram, Inc, High Tides Marine, and Glass Tech. All three links can be found on the links page at: http://bertram31.com/links.htm

When contacting Richard Bertram, Inc. ask for Richard Kidd or Renee in the parts department.

Best regards,

Patrick

rub rail
Jerry Lucas -- 18 August 2000, at 9:12 p.m. EDT

My 31 is just like yours....what can you do to upgrate the rail given it's form and function?

Re: Fiscal Matters
Vic Roy -- 18 August 2000, at 7:47 p.m. EDT

Dave - thanks, and that's exactly what I had in mind. I will probably run the money thru the client trust account at my law firm and that way it will go on an accounting system without having to screw with a new bank account, etc. Let me give the details some thought on the plane in the morning, and I'll post something tomorrow pm on the details.

I'll be shutting down my laptop in a couple of hours and anyone with suggestions after about 7pm EDT tonite should contact me at home, royvictor@home.com

See ya'll.

Vic

Re: Fiscal Matters
Dave Mechem -- 18 August 2000, at 5:59 p.m. EDT

Give us an address and directions on how to make out the check.
Keep the Capt. out of the accounting business and let him do his thing. He's doing a great job and we need him to keep the focus on the 31.
I sent my 45 to the west coast and got nothing in return except an out of date decal and then I got a phone number with a non english speaker on the other end. What a scam.
Keep us advised of how much you need to keep the Capt. out of hock

Fiscal Matters
Vic Roy -- 18 August 2000, at 3:49 p.m. EDT

I was serious this morning about being the conduit for donations. My view is that keeping this site open to the public will enhance the exchange of information. Raising the money through donations may work. My suggestion is that someone - I'll do it - act as the focus point to recieve funds anonymously, account for it, and forward it to Capt. Patrick. Some of us have more Units means than others. There should be no person interested in B31's that shold be deterred by the shorts financially. A buck from some is the same as a grand from others.

Whoever is the collector would only communicate the total amount collected to those that contribute, not who gave what. This may entice folks with limited means to give what they can without embarrassment.

Anyway, I'm prepared to make a signifigant contribution, because for me this place is a lot cheaper than a shrink. We gotta do something for our guru Patrick, so come on guys, let's get a plan together.

A thought from Uncle Vic, the pooped out in San Diego, and ready to go home.

Re: Screen Saver
Jeff -- 18 August 2000, at 12:52 p.m. EDT

Come on guys, Capt. Patrick had asked for a $15 contribution in return for the screen saver. But by my math, 100 x $15 = $1500, which still doesn't ever cover his costs. I would be glad to pay for this as a pay-only site, but I would rather keep this open to the public. Just think how much enjoyment and knowledge you have gotten from this site before you write your check, and remember, $15 is just a minimum!

get it up
Ric -- 18 August 2000, at 11:37 a.m. EDT

.,.,in 1998 soundings best boat ever.,had the bertrams owners club out of calfornia .,i wont evn dignify his name .,.,i sent in the 45 dollars imediately and never heard from him again.,.,.nuttin.,.,..,.1 other owner i know did the same thing and recieved the same thing
,.................... nuttin.,.,.,.,.,.,2500 should not be born by 1 individual., to keep us in cheer and info., i implore you all to get it up,. as far as a 50 per man fee for our private club its no different than if you joined the E.L.K.S
capt pat.,.,dont screw arround lets imediately go to the private scenario.,.and the people who value this site will imediately., become obvious

Re: Screen Saver
russ -- 18 August 2000, at 11:35 a.m. EDT

if it were'nt for this web site i would not know anything about the boat i drive . the concept of trial and error is very time consuming. thank you all for all the help you have given since found this site. and thank capt.pat for making this all happen. anything that i can do including money just ask. .....russ

Re: Screen Saver
Stan -- 18 August 2000, at 10:48 a.m. EDT

Capt. Pat, I'm the same as Jeff, tried a few times before I completed the download. Very impressed by the way, great job. I'd like to think that many people just haven't "gotten around to it" on sending in a donation because if you're smart enough to own a Bert.31 you damn well oughta be smart enough to know how invaluable a site like this is & realize that you're coming out of pocket for this. Whichever direction you wish to take it, I'm sure there will be enough dedicated owners to support it.
We had talked about a club in the past & a having a basic site with a members section where you get to post pics, get downloads, etc. It's a thought.
Stan

Re: Screen Saver
Vic Roy -- 18 August 2000, at 10:30 a.m. EDT

Those that want to get together in strict confidence to set up an anonymous fund email me at home this weekend at royvictor@home.com

I'll volunteer to be the point, accountant, etc. I'm from the government and you can trust me with your money. Only you and I will know who and how much. I will not use any of it to pay the g.d. tree man that just charged me 1800 Units to take ONE tree out of my back yard. Teaches me to travel so much; wife got rooked.

I'll be back in Baton Rouge tomorrow pm, airplanes willing.

Uncle Vic

Re: Screen Saver
Tommy -- 18 August 2000, at 10:09 a.m. EDT

Patrick,
It's a sad commentary that the honor system for your screen saver has failed so miserably. I encourage you to go to a paid subscriber format, and I will be the first to subscribe. Your efforts deserve to be rewarded, and I agree with Russ about the value of your site. I benefit from all that you and your contributors share about various B-31 projects, their failures and successes, power/trans/prop combinations, etc. The troubleshooting advice on your site has saved me major bucks, and I've had phone conversations with several of the guys that I "met" on your site. Please, keep up the good work! And guys, those of you who are a little late paying, please get your check in the mail today.
Tommy
PS: Patrick, I look forward to seeing you at the Lauderdale Boat Show in October. The burger's on me.

Re: Screen Saver
capy -- 18 August 2000, at 9:53 a.m. EDT

Patrick,

You know I questioned the honor system from the start...I have not downloaded your screen saver as I have a mac at home. You do what you have to, if you have to charge for people to access this site then so be it. Granted, some will not join and that will be their misfortune, as info here cannot be found anywhere else. I think 50 to 100 clams a year would be money well spent....but don't hit me up now, as we blew our wad on the rendezvous by a factor of three.

regards,

capy

Re: Screen Saver
russ -- 18 August 2000, at 8:37 a.m. EDT

if it were'nt for this web site i would not know anything about the boat i drive . the concept of trial and error is very time consuming. thank you all for all the help you have given since found this site. and thank capt.pat for making this all happen. anything that i can do including money just ask. .....russ

Re: Screen Saver
Jeff -- 18 August 2000, at 8:31 a.m. EDT

Capt. Patrick, I'm probably responsible for 5 or 6
of those downloads as I started to download that many times before I aborted the effort for lack of time to complete it and/or lack of knowledge of how to do it. I finally got my computer man in here to finish the download. Sorry! Hopefully, the freeloaders will chip in to keep this great site just that! The knowledge we have all gained from your labor of love is worth far more than any paltry 15 bucks!

Re: Screen Saver
Capt Mike Holmes -- 17 August 2000, at 9:56 p.m. EDT

Everybody needs to kick in something to reward Patrick for his efforts. We all get a lot of enjoyment - and help - out of this site, and it wouldn't be here without him!

Re: Screen Saver
Fred G. -- 17 August 2000, at 9:35 p.m. EDT

Sending check. Sorry about the cheep bastards.

Block Island-checking in
Fred G. "Kar-Fre" -- 17 August 2000, at 9:19 p.m. EDT

Hey fellas,
Just starting to get to the personals and wanted to check in to let you know that we had a great time at Block. Took as many pictures as you can of five 31's, and made new friends. Ditto on Dug's report as well as Capy and Richards initial thoughts. I also will weigh in asap with my report, to be titled "Block Island-All 31 feet of it". For the local boys and girls who missed it, we are going to try to do something around here this fall, possibly on Shelter Island. We'll be out there this weekend to check out the marinas. The Capy's will have to come down by car cause I could'nt bear to see them get beat up again. Best to all. -out-

Re: BOW AND STERN LIGHT ON A 31
mike ohlstein -- 17 August 2000, at 7:43 p.m. EDT

I replaced my bow lights this year, and so far everything seems fine. The key is in keeping the water from getting into the bow chock. I made gaskets out of a short lenght of 3/4" copper tubing insulation (the unsplit, rubber type). The outside diameter is exactly the same as the recess that the colored plastic inserts sit in. You'll need four pieces, about 1/2" long each. I scrounged the sockets from whatever I could find at the marine supply house, and siliconed 'em in.

Mike

Re: Where are you, Capy?
Capt Mike Holmes -- 17 August 2000, at 7:40 p.m. EDT

Even my wife is happy, 'cuz I've so excited, it's carried over into other areas!

Life is pretty good right now!

Screen Saver
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 17 August 2000, at 7:31 p.m. EDT

The Honor System has not worked... Over 120 copies of the Bertram 31 Screen Saver have been downloaded in the past four weeks and I have received only 13 donations. Development of the screen saver and all other elements of this website are being funded out of my own pocket.

Without the voluntary support of those who enjoy & find useful the existence of Bertram31.com, the continued existence as a Free Access Website will be in jeopardy. Currently it costing me over $2,500.00 annually to make the website available. This figure is calculated on the first 9 months of existence.

Therefore I regrettably have removed the screen saver from public access. If you would like a copy, please remit a minimum of $15.00 and I will email your user name and password upon receipt.

(Download Request Form is at: http://bertram31.com/screensaver/pass_application.htm )

Remember, your generosity is what will keep Bertram31.com open to the public. There will always be a majority who will never pay for anything that they feel they can get for free. But, if enough support cannot be generated by asking you, the viewer, I may be forced to consider making the bulk of Bertram31.com a "Paid Membership Only" site.

Doing so would, I think, degrade the essence of our growing online community, and would also further increase my workload and maintenance expense. The membership fee would certainly be greater than $50.00 annually.

Best regards

Patrick

bertram 31 - bertram31.com images

Screen Saver Download Request Form

Re: best speed / Rpm
art schuessler -- 17 August 2000, at 5:08 p.m. EDT

I have a 1980 FBC 31 that was powered by 504 cummins before we repowered. I also had the original 504 manuals and it said you should not run the engines wide open (3000 rpm )for more than 15 minutes in an hour and that cruise speed should be at 90% of full throttle or 2700 rpm. We ran our 504's for 4 years before repowering and had no problems. Our hull is #1833 built in 1980. Do you know your hull #

Re: Where are you, Capy?
Stan -- 17 August 2000, at 12:43 p.m. EDT

Mike, you're gonna have to get plastic surgury to remove that smile from your face! Green in new orleans.
Stan

Re: bertram 31 replacement parts
capy -- 17 August 2000, at 8:29 a.m. EDT

Mike,

check out hunter scott's place 508-564-5132. He did mine and they look great.

Regards,

capy

Re: Bertram 31 Block Island cruise........strandin
Vic Roy -- 16 August 2000, at 11:09 p.m. EDT

Capy - glad you guys made it back in good shape. I'm sorry I missed the dead fish olives,but like Scarlett said, tomorrow is another day. Mother Nature Rules. I'm parked out here in San Diego looking down 25 floors at a marina full of Bayliners. Quality boats ain't made it to the west coast in any numbers yet. I've seen a couple of 31's out here over the last few years, but mostly Bayliners and the like.

Did you save me a hat?

Vic

Re: Where are you, Capy?
Vic Roy -- 16 August 2000, at 11:04 p.m. EDT

Mike - sounds good; take your time, and I know you will. I just got back from a sushi feast and getting ready to hit the hay.

Vic

Re: BOW AND STERN LIGHT ON A 31
Vic Roy -- 16 August 2000, at 11:01 p.m. EDT

Craig - the bow light is impossible to keep up. You can find the sockets at a true commercial marine electric place, but the bulbs that fit cost about $15, and there is no way to keep the water out. I gave up and put two Perko 2 mile lexan side lights on the sides of the flybridge. They are white, like my hull, and hardly seen, plus they work. The stern light is solved with a Toyota back up light bulb - much stronger than the Perko. Take your old bulb to the car dealer and sweet talk them into letting you root thru the stock until you find the right one. Put a little silicone grease on each end before you install it.

Vic

Re: Where are you, Capy?
Capt Mike Holmes -- 16 August 2000, at 10:57 p.m. EDT

Vic, cranked my starboard engine this evening and let it fast idle for about 45 minutes. Oil pressure 45-50, water temp about 130. No oil or fuel leaks. Lookin' good! Saturday morning I crank the other and check it out. After that, a little more wiring, some hose changes, align the engines & hook up the shafts - and I can start putting decks and engine covers back in to go for a boat ride!

Re: best speed / Rpm
PHIL - BABYLON, N.Y. -- 16 August 2000, at 10:04 p.m. EDT

Jim - I run my 250 Cummins between 2000-2300 RPM. Book recomends no more than 80% of max RPM for longevity. Based upon load & sea conditions my cruise speed varies from 20-24 knts with 4 blade 20 x 24 prop. - Phil

Re: Where are you, Capy?
Vic Roy -- 16 August 2000, at 9:06 p.m. EDT

Stan - you the man. I want to be like you when I grow up. Just got to San Diego and having a clear. No problem-o kemo sabbe. Let's go celebrate the birthdays next week. Snow is chompin' at the bit.

I'll be back Sat. pm and one my home email, royvictor@home.com, and on this one the rest of the week.

Vic

best speed / Rpm
Jim DiMaggio -- 16 August 2000, at 7:47 p.m. EDT

I obtained an exceptional 1980 FBC 31 Bertram this past Feb twin V504 Cummins 195hp naturally aspirated diesels I am looking for input on
best rpm for endurance and highest recommended
rpm for best speed..Running 19"wheels on her.Love the site appreciate any input Happy to swar trip with other owners in other locals Thanks Jim D.

bertram 31 replacement parts
Mike Alvarez -- 16 August 2000, at 6:33 p.m. EDT

I am looking for replacement side windows with
smoked glass. Also looking for a rub rail. Any
help will be appreciated.

What about a Fishing Report?
Lee Irvin -- 16 August 2000, at 12:21 p.m. EDT

That is a great picture of the Bounty Hunter. There is also a Bounty Hunter B31 in Islamorada that I used to fish on.

Anyway, Here is the report from South Miami

The Sea Horse creeped out on friday for a morning of dolphin fishing. It was a typical August day in South Florida. Flat calm and brutally hot.

Logic dictates that August should be spent drinking beer on the sand bar and not working too hard for lazy fish but Sushi is nice anytime of the year.

We headed out 25 miles only to find that the ocean was just as flat and boring out there as it was 15 miles out.

We then swung around and at about 20 miles started dragging in scattered weed. Just as the crew was questioning the sanity of the guide, we got lucky.

A nice cow attacked the middle left daisy bait and two of her buddies followed her to the boat. We went two for three and no one got hurt. It was a miracle that no one got hurt with 5 first timers on board.

We found two other schools not far away and thank goodness one was full of nice fish. We took 6 more gaffers which was a alot of fun for the crew.

There were a dozen nice fish in the box and we were already late for lunch so it was time to put fire in the hole and head her home.

All in all, we had a nice picture at the end of the day and a lot of fillets on ice before the first thunder boomer rolled in.

Regards,

Lee

Re: Where are you, Capy?
Stan -- 16 August 2000, at 12:02 p.m. EDT

Somehow I have the girlfriend convinced that cuttin the grass is like a free workout at the gym & its not only our right as an American citizen, it's our duty to the great land we live in. Don't know if she bought it but she's still pushin the mower (yes, pushin)... Uncle Vic, the suitcase is already packed (with ice). I knew there was sumpin I liked about you, my birthday is next week also. Does this ring a bell, there's a fine line between perfectionism & procrastination...Anywho, go spool those bastards in SanDiego & we'll be wait'n at the dock for you.

Bertram 31 Block Island cruise........stranding
capy -- 16 August 2000, at 9:34 a.m. EDT

To all,

Thanks for your concern, but it was'nt that bad, the only truly awful time was sunday night into monday, one of our dockmates clocked the gusts to 42 m.p.h. on his anemometer. Every individual who made it should consider themselves true B31'ers, and not just fair weather friends. It was an adventure to be remebered fondly and not with dread.

I will give a full description of the events when I mail a package of pictures to Capt. Pat, in a week or so. Carol and I left block island on tues. at 9:00 am determined to get home, managed to get home at 4:00 pm. Dug's synopsis is accurate sans all the intresting details, I will fill in those, as well that FIVE boats made it. Well have to get to work, they don't pay me for this....

regards,

capy

P.S.- Capt. Pat, I would have called you last night but your Tel. # was garbled on the machine.

P.S.S.- Vic, I think you would really have enjoyed this adventure, the clears were flowing easily.

Re: So Cal repower ?
steve -- 16 August 2000, at 12:10 a.m. EDT

try eric kevit at marine desiel and mechanical repairs in newport. cummins certified and knows bertrams

BOW AND STERN LIGHT ON A 31
craig santamaria -- 15 August 2000, at 11:04 p.m. EDT

HOW DO YOU GET A REPLACEMENT FOR THE BOW AND TRANSOM LIGHT ANY SUGGESTIONS? PERKO? I FIND THAT THE TRANSOM BULB ARRANGEMENT SEEMS TO FAIL FAIRLEY EASILY .SEEMS THAT THE ENDS VIBRATE OFF THE BULB?AND AS FAR AS THE BOW (RED/GREEN),I HAVENT FOUND A SUITABLE SOCKET TO FIT IN PLACE OF THE OLD CORRODED ONE ANY HELP WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.

Re: Where are you, Capy?
Capt Mike Holmes -- 15 August 2000, at 10:13 p.m. EDT

I had lawnmower trauma most of my life, because of mower abuse suffered at the hands of my father when I was young. Honest to God, I never owned one of the things until about 5 years ago. Now I have 3 aces of land on a main road where the city makes me keep it cut, so we had to get a serious riding mower. I rigged it out with a little Bimini top and a beer holder, told the little woman since it had headlights I could mow at night - ride around with a cigar and drink beer. She hasn't let me mow yet! I need to put a big barn on that property to work on 31's in. A friend in Florida E-mailed me today about a 1979 model rebuilt by Bertram with 300hp diesels and a teak deck - said they're asking $65,000. I'm going to check on one a guy put Sea Drives on years ago (failed experiment) that I heard might go for $5,000.

When my baby brother graduated from Rice and got accepted to SMU law school, I told him if I ever caught him handling divorces, I kick his ass! He took my advice, and sues insurance companies and HMO's, mostly.

Re: Where are you, Capy?
Vic Roy -- 15 August 2000, at 8:49 p.m. EDT

Mike - the boat work is one thing, but the other is impossible. The two greatest days of my life were when I finished my last divorce case 30 years ago and the day I sold my lawnmower. Maybe Guido needs to pay the guy a visit.

I have a vision of a marlin trip about the second week in Sept or so, and I know the result. Stan, don't forget to bring the suitcase of Bud.

Vic

Re: Where are you, Capy?
Capt Mike Holmes -- 15 August 2000, at 8:43 p.m. EDT

Vic, Sometime in Sept. sounds good, I need a break from boat work and helping the wife fight the post divorce war with her ex!

Where are you, Capy?
Vic Roy -- 15 August 2000, at 8:22 p.m. EDT

Capy - did you decide to stay on BI? From the sounds of it, a good idea.

Dug - your insurance covers the damage done by the broke porp, but not the prop.

The Sinking Houseboat is welded up, and they are just waiting for it to quit raining to sandblast and coat with epoxy coal tar before splashing. Plus the generator is now fixed on the Another Joy, so the a/c is back in business. I gotta go out to San Diego tomorrow until Sat, then hoping to get out on the boat nex week for my birthday. Uncle Vic do not fly on his birthday, especially at my age. Stan, Mike, etc - let's plan on a Sept. marlin trip. Plus the tarpon are jumping in the boat to boot. White shrimp season is open, and the 20-24 counts are under $2 a poound.

I see light at the end of the b.s. tunnel, and I got the bit in my teeth. Them suckers on the left coast better watch out.

You guys have a good week, and I'll be in touch on my trusty laptop.

Uncle Vic

Re: BI & Weather...and damage!
Dug -- 15 August 2000, at 3:49 p.m. EDT

Well, it is confirmed, I threw an entire blade off of one of my propellors on the way home!

Now I have to have the strut completely rebedded, and the insurance company has a reason to be in business, or not in my case! Should be a week or two out of the water, depending on what happens, but I am going fishing out of Gloucester on Thursday on another boat, for what ever will bite. Should be fun! I hope Capy is back by then!

Keep ya posted on the events to follow!

D

Good News, chariot Comin'
Vic Roy -- 14 August 2000, at 8:25 p.m. EDT

Whew! Nobody got killed. I watched the weather channel and thought, shoot, My Friends gettin' thier butts kicked. Weather is king. I been there with the hurricane comin' in, and took to the streets, and then took to the High Rider Trucks.

Anyway, you BI'ers got back yet, or do we need to send the Coasties for you?

Vic

Re: BI & Weather...
Jeff -- 14 August 2000, at 3:12 p.m. EDT

Great account, Dug! The rest of us were waiting for the outcome, and sorry for the weather. Very interesting reading to hear accounts and descriptions from one owner about other B31's.
Hopefully one day, we can have some sort of get together or fun tournament down south, maybe the
Bahamas as Capt. Patrick has suggested. I have to go now to take a look at Capy, Richard Miller's boat, and the Kar-Fre and compare to your comments.....

Re: Hero of the Rendezvous
Richard A. Miller -- 14 August 2000, at 2:46 p.m. EDT

The Hero of the Rendezvous award can only go to Paul, not only for his role in organizing it but also for bringing Capy 150 miles to Block and then having to go another 150 miles sraight back into that Northeaster. His way home includes some nasty stretches, especially around Point Judith, and no way to avoid the full force of the weather. By the time he gets home, he will know everything there is to know about how waterproof his cabin is. Where we were, the wind did back to NNE late on Sunday; I hope that gave Paul a little better ride.

For me, it was a great opportunity to associate some real people with the email addresses I see on the site, and worth the trip to Block for that reason alone. It adds a lot when you know the people you are communicating with. And I didn't have to go 150 miles straight into a Northeaster to get home, so I actually enjoyed the trip as well. (I came and went on Saturday, and the weather was just bad enough to make the trip interesting. Good test of the cabin windshield!)

Re: THANKS GUYS
Dug -- 14 August 2000, at 1:38 p.m. EDT

I ground the surface with a small grinder, wiped down the whole bilge with acetone and gelcoated. I have never seen a paint that does not peel...

Good luck!

Dug

Re: BI & Weather...
Dug -- 14 August 2000, at 1:35 p.m. EDT

Whew, what a weekend, and what a trip!

Well, here is my account!
Brad (my cousin) and I set out on Friday night at about 8:30 pm. It was not the best weather, but far from impossible, and it is not a bad trip usually, so off we went. All was well, and the lightning astern gave a great lightshow (not to worry, very far away...). About 1/4 of a mile out of Watch Hill, RI, hit a wave and when we came down, the port engine was off. And would not start. Threw out the hook to hold on until we got our bearings, and realized that we could not immediately tell what was up, so pulled in the anchor. I was in the locker, and the boat was pitching and rolling in 3-4 footers, and I turned green as the lawn...first mistake!

Heading in on one motor gave us an opportunity to take a second look and found the culprit, a broken wire. Brad, acting as a McGyver look alike took care of that one with my wonder all in one tool, and we were off again! Back to BI and arrived at about 11:30 when all was done. Travelled most of the journey at a leisurely 16-17 knots as the bumps were snotty and could not see them (dark, of course!), and the radar, well I love that machine!!! Pulled into Paynes, tied up and was greated warmly by Fred Greis who had been tying on all night with Paul! I was the third boat to arrive, and the last for Friday.

Saturday morning started at 7:30 am with Paul (he claims 8) banging on the door to welcome us. We were basically rested, but I was still not in perfect form from the anchor locker incedent (and the hangover I think...) All was well. We grabbed breakfast, met everyone and the weekend was off to a great start! Carol, and Karen are the most wonderful wives, these guys are lucky! Next went to the Ferry to pick up a friend of Paul and Carol's; a stunning and very friendly young lady named Holly. Watching the ferry pitch and roll told us that we likely would not see any more 31's, as the wind was honking, and the surf was breaking over the break water in old harbor. Holly was miraculously not seasick, and greeted us all with a smile and a hello. Off we went! Brad and I did the requisite tourist moped thing for a couple of hours and then headed back to the boats where all were napping, relaxing and generally pretending that the sun was out. Richard Miller showed up in his 31 after showing Block Island sound who is boss in his baby, and we all crowded around his 300 yanmars to marvel at the great installation, and the amazing quiet running. A really nice boat! All original boat, brand new aluminum rubrails, and a one owner and one marina history! He stayed for about an hour but with the seas outside continuing to build, and the weather not the nicest, he bid us all adieu, saddled up, and rode his steed out of the harbor. Tour time for the rest of the boats, lunch, showers and I took a well needed nap. Capy is a beautiful boat, with an exquisite and by the looks of it always improving cabin, and Kar-Fre is amazingly original and incredibly clean! Fred is going to be going at the v-berth with slatting, and getting rid of his tower to smooth the ride. Both boats are as beautiful as the owners say, and provided a great place for the evenings festivities!

7:00 came and it was off to the Oar for the famous mudslides, dinner after that, and then dancing at a local bar. Then we headed back to the boats for Sinatra, and the blues brothers, as well as Fred's dance fever between the boats! Vic, your speech was read, and applauded!

Morning came too soon as usual, and Brad and I realized that if this weather kept up, we better boogie on home, as it was forecast to increase and get sloppier, so we packed up and said our goodbyes. Holly rode with us, as she needed to get back to New London, and we were heading in that direction. This girl rode in 3-6' seas on the flybridge with me the whole way. She is a delight, and a compliment to Paul and Carol on their choice of friends. She is a terrific girl. The ride was fine, no beating, only an occasional cavitation of the windward prop, but all was not a smooth ride home. About 1/3 of the way back, fortunately in the lee of the mainland, there was a terrible crash and vibration like crazy! We motored peacefully on one motor the rest of the way, enjoying the company, food and music on the boat and I discovered this morning that I threw an entire blade off of my starboard engine prop. Fortunately I have a spare set, so I should be up and running again tonight. Just need to patch the small nicks in the hull where the blade bounced off, and will be fine(I think!)

All in all, a great weekend, with people I feel like I have known for a very long time, and hope to prove that out! Thank you Patrick, Paul, Carol, Fred, Karen, Richard, Beatrice, Holly, and Brad for an awesome weekend! I am sorry that the weather chased others off, but I do understand...it was sloppy, and very windy. Perhaps next year, we will have a bigger crowd, but let me tell you, it will be tough to have a better time! It was a great weekend!

Dug

Re: Cranked up!
Bill M. -- 14 August 2000, at 9:11 a.m. EDT

Capt. Mike,

Great news,congratulations!!You give me insperation,I hope to start the engine beds this week.

Good Luck,Bill M

Re: the one weak spot
Bill M. -- 14 August 2000, at 9:05 a.m. EDT

Rick,

McMaster-Carr has S.S.carrige bolts listed,all sizes and lengths.The alternative would be to buy brass/bronze bolts from "High Tide"marine and have them chromed.High Tide may have the original.E-mail me if you nead phone No's..

Bill M

THANKS GUYS
JIM H. -- 14 August 2000, at 8:59 a.m. EDT

THANKS FOR ALL THE INPUT NOW WHAT KIND OF PAINT DO I USE THANKS AGAIN!! JIM H.

Re: Cranked up!
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 13 August 2000, at 10:35 p.m. EDT

Phil, should have run them both today, but the heat got me down, I guess. Won't be able to do much until next weekend, but they'll both be at least idling before the sun sets on Saturday!

Re: BI Update...
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 13 August 2000, at 9:02 p.m. EDT

OK Guys,

The latest news from Block Island is that some of Hard Core guys didn't let ma' nature get in the way of their fun!

Dug's cousin Brad just reported via the Guest Log that it did happen, and several of the boats are still there...

-----------------------------------

"Yahoo!! I accompanied my cousin Dug Stowe in "Alchemy" to the Block Island Rendezvous and had a GREAT TIME!!

Too bad the weather didn't cooperate, (Some are still there) but it didn't stop the die hards that showed up from having a SUPER time. I can't wait until next year!!! "

Brad Stowe
Brad Stowe
Gloucester, MA USA - Sunday, August 13, 2000 at 23:06:07 (GMT)

Re: BI & Weather...
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 13 August 2000, at 10:29 a.m. EDT

It does,unfortunately, sound like the BI Event is going to be washed out... I'm sure that everyone is disappointed, and none more so than I. But, maybe there's still a chance that the group can squeeze in an alternative date before the season really goes to hell in a hand basket.

This might also be a good reminder for future event planners that an alternate date be planned for in the beginning. Wish I'd of remembered that idea a few months ago...

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: BI & Weather...
DavidR -- 13 August 2000, at 9:51 a.m. EDT

Hi.

I was planning to run over to BI on the Port Judith Ferry Sunday AM early...But the weather appeared to be too nasty... to bother...Hopefully there will a next time soon ...I'm wondering if anyone made the trip .The weather seem to be lingering and we won't see clearing skys till tuesday.up here....
If they attempt the trek I hope they are careful and cautious...It also seem to be fogging over..

Re: Cranked up!
PHIL - BABYLON, N.Y. -- 13 August 2000, at 8:41 a.m. EDT

Capt Mike - Just read the good news. One down one to go!! Sounds (or should I say "rumbles") like a great birthday present! Good luck & keep us posted. - Phil

Re: BI & Weather...
PHIL - BABYLON, N.Y. -- 13 August 2000, at 8:34 a.m. EDT

Attempted BI trip from Fire Island Inlet (Long Island) encountered East winds 15 - 20 Knts with seas running 6' - 8' (possible storm effects from "Alberto"). Would not intentionally run East for 10 hours in these conditions. Maybe next time. - Phil

Re: Cranked up!
stan -- 13 August 2000, at 12:00 a.m. EDT

Excellent! know you'll sleep like a 12yr old thats going trout fishing in the morning. Good luck tomorrow. Stared at my pair all day. Ran new copper steering lines today, hooking up the autopilot tomorrow. Let us know how it goes.
Stan

Re: BI & Weather...
Vic Roy -- 12 August 2000, at 10:07 p.m. EDT

Mike - find out what them 31's are made of, huh? Solo sounds bad unless you wearing a harness. I've done it a couple of times, and not a good idea, unless you have a few clears to get your courage up.

You guys be careful.

Vic

Re: BI & Weather...
mike ohlstein -- 12 August 2000, at 10:02 p.m. EDT

Had to pull out this morning, the wife was a little too scared to try it. I may try it solo in the morning but it's a little like an episode of Victory at Sea out there. (Fitting for V.J. Day)

Mike

Saturday PM Forecast

South Of New England...From The Great South Channel To
Hudson Canyon Including The Waters South Of Marthas
Vineyard And Nantucket Island...Out To 1000 Fms
Tonight
E to ne winds 20 to 30 kt. Seas 6 to 11 ft with se swells. Vsby occasionally below 1 nm in rain and scattered tstms.
Sun
E to ne winds 20 to 30 kt. Seas 7 to 12 ft. Vsby occasionally below 1 nm in rain and scattered tstms.
Sun Night
Ne winds 15 to 25 kt becoming n. Seas 6 to 11 ft.
Mon
Winds becoming nw 15 to 20 kt. Seas subsiding to 5 to 8 ft.

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Re: BI & Weather...
Vic Roy -- 12 August 2000, at 9:48 p.m. EDT

Hope they got their radar skills up to date. Sounds grim. I should have gone, since I was gonna be on foot. Sounds like a Gulf coast forecast in January.

Oh Well, I'm home at least, and glad to be. Me and bride just got back from a first class dinner at a Swiss-Coonass restarant down the street, and it was great. I always get the veal with the morel mushrooms. Serious chow.

Bon Soire, folks.

Vic

Re: Cranked up!
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 12 August 2000, at 7:43 p.m. EDT

Mike,

Great news! Sounds like you may got off of the hill yet. Best of luck.

Best regards,

Patrick

ps: Yup, I did, muchos gracias!! Try to get your pics online tomorow.

Cranked up!
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 12 August 2000, at 7:32 p.m. EDT

Guys, cranked the starboard engine this evening! Ran great, smooth and quiet. Got an air leak somewhere in the fuel line, a couple of leaks in the raw water system. I'll get those fixed tomorrow, and we'll crank both of 'em!

BI & Weather...
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 12 August 2000, at 7:23 p.m. EDT

Hmmmm.....

Looks like our BI group ain't getting the best of conditions. But then I never completely trust the weather guys, any first hand reports up there?

Best regards,

Patrick

________________________________________

Block Island Sound-
Buzzards Bay-
Rhode Island Sound-
Vineyard Sound-
Forecast as of 2:45 pm EDT on August 12, 2000

Small Craft Advisory

Tonight
Ne wind 20 to 25 kts. Seas 3 to 6 ft. Vsby lowering to 1 to 3 miles in patchy fog and drizzle.

Sun
Ne wind 20 to 30 kts. Seas 4 to 8 ft. Vsby 1 to 3 miles in rain...drizzle and fog.
Sun Night

Ne wind 20 to 30 kts...decreasing to 15 to 20 kts toward Dawn. Seas 4 to 8 ft. Vsby under 2 miles in rain and fog.

Re: the one weak spot
Ric -- 12 August 2000, at 12:32 p.m. EDT

.,.,thanks Mike

these bolts are short they are only 2 1/2 inches long about an inch of thread they are deffinitely factory and the non threaded portion of the shaft is what goes thru the factory wood wedge spacer as a backer to tighten down on.,i think they are going to be a problem to locate they are chrome plated bronze and or brass.,they cut pretty easy with the saws all,.,.

Re: the one weak spot
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 12 August 2000, at 9:47 a.m. EDT

Ric, are these 3/8 carriage bolts, 16 inches long? We have an old fashioned hardware store in Freeport, down by the shrimpboat harbor, that sells thing nobody else would imagine stocking. I was in there yesterday and noticed some huge bolts, both in diameter and length. Most were grade 8 or galanized, but they also stock a lot of stainless. I'll check on the ones you need.

the one weak spot
Ric -- 12 August 2000, at 9:01 a.m. EDT

on the flybridge pilasters there are 3 large round head (carriage Bolts).,.,hold up the flybridge 3/8th 16 that bolt thru a wood wedge spacer you cant see unless you take off the side panels or you remove the side panels outboard of each engine and look up.This wedge unfortunately
gets pelted from the water dripping off the flybridge and is a collection area for water to rot the spacer.Cutting the bolts with a sawsall was no problem., taking out the rotted wedge and making the new wood wedge to replace from a template was no problem,.,.,but those huge head 3/8th 16 bolts.,.,now where do you suppose we can get something like that.,.,they make a 3/8th 16 oval stainless with a dress ring.,but the round head is much smaller than the factory.,.,.,any ideas as i have to cut out the starboard side to match it up i'll probably replace that spacer whether it needs it or not
thanx ric

Re: Welcome Aboard, Frank!
Frank Fimmano -- 12 August 2000, at 12:05 a.m. EDT

Thank you, Capt. Pat, for your warm welcome, and for your brief but superb treatise on the essence of our passion. Indeed, if anybody at Block is working a laptop and checking the site, I think Patrick's words to me might be another appropriate read-aloud (in addition to Vic's) at the meeting. Our initially forecast sunny weekend has turned a little gloomy and--not that anybody needs it, but--Patrick's comments offer a good reminder of both the joy and the mandate that have brought you together. Thanks. Frank

Welcome Aboard, Frank!
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 11 August 2000, at 9:50 p.m. EDT

Frank,

Glad you dropped in, (not silently this time), and thanks for the kind words!

We'll be holding a spot here for you as a B31 owner, but in the mean time, you *have* a spot as a wanabe31owner. I suspect that you are far from the only non-owner to be "lurking in the shadows" and I'd guess that every B31 still out there, and not committed to Davie Jones Locker or Dante's Inferno, has at least ten owners awaiting his place in line.

To that extent, the Bertram 31 may just be about the only boat that possesses it's owner more than the owner possesses it. I truly believe that the B31s will still be welcoming new care takers a century from now.

Unlike the cutsie wooden classics, the B31 will still be on the hunt and up to the task of drawing both man and fish to her sides for perhaps the next century to come. Not just a museum piece to be paraded out on special occasions. Not unlike Jesse Ventura, the B31 will always be just as capable and ready to keep company with gentlemen or barroom brawlers.

Someone once said that B31 owners should be called "Care Takers" rather than "Owners". A Care Taker is vested with the responsibility to maintain the boat in peak condition so that the next Care Taker can step in to carry the torch.

Like you, I also am not a B31 owner, and perhaps never will be. But this website is testament to just how magnetic they are, even to non-owners. I could not conceive of putting this much effort into publishing a site for any other single boat.

Uncle Vic, (as usual), said it best... You're always welcome here.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Best Wishes From Uncle Vic
Frank Fimmano -- 11 August 2000, at 9:27 p.m. EDT

Thank you, Vic. You made my day. You are - as we say in Noo Yawk - a Mentsch(sp?) ( No, it's not a baitfish. It's Yiddish for a wise and good man. 'Doubles if you happen to own a Bert. 'Triples if it's a 31.)
And stay I shall. Frank

Re: Best Wishes From Uncle Vic
Vic Roy -- 11 August 2000, at 6:52 p.m. EDT

Fred - 10-4; I been there, done that. In fact done worse, which since this is a family channel, will not describe. Those girls from Mobile are different. Not total south, but not == just not. They do drip the charm, and they are all good looking. If my 59 Chevy had not broke down 40 years ago, I would live in Mobile. Anyway, the World Turns, and Doo-Doo Happens.

But make sure Capy saves me a goddam hat.

Vic

Re: Best Wishes From Uncle Vic
Vic Roy -- 11 August 2000, at 6:44 p.m. EDT

Frank - come on in! This place ain't just for those of us that's done it, it's for the real Kool-Aid sippers that recognize the B31 is the best boat ever built, period. Your words are greatly appreciated. By the Power Entrusted In Me by The Others, I hereby annoint you, Frank, a Kool-Aid sipper, and you are invited to stay.

Yours (humble servant)

Uncle Vic

Re: BILGE CLEANING
brianb -- 11 August 2000, at 3:11 p.m. EDT

I have a 31 with detroit's, and just went through cleaning my bilge from the engines to the transom. I had to use a pressure cleaner, engine degreaser, tide, and lots elbow grease to get rid of all the hardened blowby that had accumulated wince 1969. I dont think anyone had ever cleaned before. The cheapest and best results I got with cheap toilet bowl cleaner, and pressure washing after letting the toilet bowl cleaner soak in. You must wear eye protection when using the pressure washer. My second 31 has cummins and it is really cleaned in comparison to the detroit boat. the transom on the detroit had a 1/4 inch hardened buildup below the decks.

Re: BILGE CLEANING
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 11 August 2000, at 10:09 a.m. EDT

I used the pressure washer technique on my bilge and engine compartments. Worked real well, pretty effortless.

Re: BILGE CLEANING
Mike -- 11 August 2000, at 9:37 a.m. EDT

Jim,

I recently went through the same. I soaked all areas with Castrol's Purple cleaner, then came back with a strong solution of Tide in a bucket of water, and a stiff brush. All of the grim washed away fairly effortlessly, and any tough areas I sprayed with an engine degreaser. The whole job from bulkhead to stern took less then an hour. Once clean, I wiped everything down with Denatured alcohol to remove any residue before painting.

Mike
Dawn Mistress

Re: Best Wishes From Uncle Vic
Frank Fimmano -- 11 August 2000, at 12:36 a.m. EDT

Capt. Pat, et.al...I've been "eavesdropping" on you guys for about 5 months now, resisting the urge to jump in as I do not own a B31. However, as I jealously sit here in northern New Jersey on the eve of your BI Rendezvous, and having just read Uncle Vic's "Best Wishes" post/address...well, a man just has to say what a man just has to say (right, Vic?). First, to Capt. Pat, I think you have done an outstanding job with this site, and I marvel at the scope of skills you obviously possess, from boat-tech to Web tech, with a bunch in between. My sincere compliments. To those of you who regularly post (i.e., the (almost) fungible "core group"), you have provided vast knowledge, great entertainment, and the best example I have yet seen of how to confound the de-humanizing effects of this fast-changing "e-world" by using it to grow a wonderful, old-fashioned camaraderie around a common interest. Vic's post took me back to the early 60's, too, when my best buddy and I, living on Long Island and just starting to grow hair where the sun don't shine, would sit for hours poring over boating mags., or the bags of literature that would last us a year until we got back to the next boat show at the (then) New York Coliseum. I so clearly remember reading the stories about "The Race", and a boat called "Moppie", and another boat called "Rum Runner" (anybody remember that?). And, while never owning a Bertram, it remained our benchmark as we spent our teen years running around Great South Bay, ducking in and out of Jones Inlet in everything from a 17 Trojan with a 70 horse Gray. to a 28 Owens with a 185 whatever, sometimes even "racing" Guy Lombardo in his Riva-like commuter. In our minds, however, we were pushing a Bert. So now, almost 40 years later,with a lot of time spent on OPB's, life's essentials have settled in; my thoughts have turned to owning, and my benchmark hasn't changed. I hope to stop saying "someday" very soon and, while it may not be a 31 for openers, it will be a Bert. To those of you heading to BI this weekend, have a safe passage and a wonderful time.( As luck would have it, I'll be out there next weekend, on a charter out of Montauk lookin' for Charlie.) I look forward to the stories to come next week. To all, I look forward to acquiring the object of our affections in the near future and joining a great group of people in the zone where just about anything else that floats by might as well be a Bayliner! Thanks. Frank

Re: Where we gonna get a shrink?
Vic Roy -- 11 August 2000, at 12:25 a.m. EDT

Capy - thanks, but no thanks. I have been duking it out all week out here in SD with some degree of stress, and the thoght of flying from here toRhode Island, etc with several stops just does not appeal to me. I managed to prevail out here on what had to be done, but it was pretty hard, so I'm on the red eye in the morning going home. I will be thinking about you guys, and God willing, I'll be thee next year. Save me a hat.

Thanks for thinking about me, but I'm bone tired, which for me is not normal.

Best wishes, weather, following seas, and enjoy the dead fish olives. I just had one or two myself down the street - the bartender knows I like the ones out of the glass jar instead of the tin. The fact that I can still type is a testament to how tired I am.

Vic

Re: Best Wishes From Uncle Vic
Fred, "Kar-Fre" -- 10 August 2000, at 11:59 p.m. EDT

Uncle Vic,
My wife's from Mobile, which makes me an infiltrator. The first yankee to marry into the family, and what a family! Went to meet them years ago and the first time I said "fagedaboutit" her mother slapped me. Then she took us for a ride down to Dauphin Island where I further pissed her off by walking off to look at three B31's in a row. We still don't see entirely eye to eye, but I'm tryin, Uncle Vic, I'm tryin.
We'll miss you and the rest of the gang this weekend, so I think I'll bring the video camera and we'll all take a turn reciting your note. -out-

Re: BILGE CLEANING
Dug -- 10 August 2000, at 9:34 p.m. EDT

Jim,

Pressure spray washer worked wonders for me, with hot water heater as a part of it. Wear safety glasses however! I also like the Zep product called Big Orange or something to that effect. Great degreaser product!

Good luck!

Dug

Re: BILGE CLEANING
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 10 August 2000, at 8:12 p.m. EDT

Jim,

Having just been in the same situation as you a few months ago, I know exactly what your facing. Also having been on the "Grunt" end of "Pleasure Boating" for the last decade or so, I've tried just about every product for every dirty job known to boating...

Hands down the best product for your job is Knite's Spray Nine. Beats the others to a crisp. Be sure you get the marine formula, not the Multi-Purpose Germicidal Cleaner. Lot more "Omphhh" to the Marine Formula.

If you can't find it at your local marine store, you can order in numerous places on the web, including directly from the source. (See link below)

Best regards,

Patrick

bertram 31 - bertram31.com images

Knite's Spray Nine

Re: Giveaways, weather, etc.
Richard A. Miller -- 10 August 2000, at 6:30 p.m. EDT

Capy - expect at least two, and possibly as many as four, boats from Fishers arriving early Saturday afternoon, staying for a few hours and then returning to Fishers.

If you're going to have a big turn-out, you might be better off spending part of the time anchored in the Northeast corner of the Pond. Especially if you want to do a sunflower! The marinas are busy on nice week-ends, and the situation at the docks could get pretty chaotic.

We will check in and ask for direction on 71 as we enter the Pond.

Re: BILGE CLEANING
Jeff -- 10 August 2000, at 6:16 p.m. EDT

Jim, I just bought a bunch of that purple cleaner(like Castrol Super Clean) and rolls of paper towels and went at it. Not fun, and a mighty nasty job, but it's got to be done. Good luck!

BILGE CLEANING
JIM H. -- 10 August 2000, at 5:20 p.m. EDT

i have a 28 fly bridge,i pulled the engines out now i have 23 years of grime and grease to clean up whats best way to do this.iam going to paint the bilge too thanks in advance jim.

Re: Where we gonna get a shrink?
Stan -- 10 August 2000, at 4:42 p.m. EDT

That's funny! As you know, some folks just can't be reached.

Re: Where we gonna get a shrink?
springloaded -- 10 August 2000, at 4:29 p.m. EDT

Stan
I tried to get the sign company that did my boat to show a manatee hugging a (tree) with a hook in it's mouth and somebody pulling on a fishing pole trying to rip its lips off.They wouldn't do it said it didnt show good taste.I told them they were actualy very tasty.I guess some people just don't have a sence of humor.

Re: Club Names
mike ohlstein -- 10 August 2000, at 4:29 p.m. EDT

Go figure....the one night that Dr. John and Nathan & the Zydeco ChaCha's are performing only two miles from my house is the night of the Block Island shindig.

How about The Killer B's

The Hunt Club

The Fighting 31st

The Kool Aid Klub

Mike

Re: Where we gonna get a shrink?
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 10 August 2000, at 3:11 p.m. EDT

Stan,

Gottcha' Good!

The end result on off B31 Topic Involvements, would most likely be left up to "Local Chapters" or individual members, as the case may be, and sanctioned or recognized by the club as a whole through a board vote.

Once approved, I'd also make it recognized on the website. (Which does seem to be destined to be our electronic club house...)

Best regard,

Patrick

Patrick

Club Names
Stan -- 10 August 2000, at 2:20 p.m. EDT

This may be a bit premature but interesting never the less. If in fact a club were to be formed it would have to have a name. I'm sure after a few coolaids on Uncle Vic's barge bungalo the perfect name could be derived. Since everyone fishes, Flatliners (morbid), Flying fish, something of that nature or something really profound like the Bertram 31 club... That's me just thinkin after a night of sipp'n coolaid till 3a.m. with a bust of Professor Longhair at Tipatina's listening to an 80's band that should've quit while they were ahead.

Re: Where we gonna get a shrink?
Stan -- 10 August 2000, at 2:03 p.m. EDT

MMmmmm, Manatee, "the other white meat". Capt. Pat, It's always good to have a raffle of sorts to raise money for homeless underage nuns that need milk for their frostbitten three legged puppys kinda deal. It's not hard to get sponsors as well when it's for a good cause. We help fund a scholarship each year for a marine biology student at LSU. Other clubs help out "camp challenge" which is kids with cancer. We try not to be too much in the public eye cause there's always some "get a life" group want'n to get in your business and tax you or gather outstide of your meetings & hug trees. oh the humanity.

Re: Where we gonna get a shrink?
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 10 August 2000, at 1:35 p.m. EDT

Uncle Vic,

Good luck in launching your Titan Missiles! Forget about collateral damage... Shoot 'em all and God sort 'em out...

I'm with you on the formality. I see most general board meetings taking place electronically, save perhaps an Annual Board Meeting of Record. Formal to me is socks between me and my deck shoes.

We keep our cause narrowed down to B31 issues and forget saving the whales and manatees. I certainly am not against fighting socioeconomic/environmental/political causes, but not here...

We might think of an occasional "Keep Us in the Public Eye" type event, like Toys For Tots, Harley Davidison Biker style, but way later down the road.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Where we gonna get a shrink?
capy -- 10 August 2000, at 10:39 a.m. EDT

Vic,

My wife and I still think you should red eye it, to block for saturday...She and I spent an hour stuffing olives with anchovies last night. It will be shame not to share the bounty

"don't give up the ship yet"

capy

Where we gonna get a shrink?
Vic Roy -- 10 August 2000, at 10:26 a.m. EDT

Hello fellows, from the shores of San Diego bay where your comrade Uncle Vic is engaged in hand to hand nuclear war. Outcome still in doubt, but I havea plan. The club needs an Official Shrink and Mental Health Officer. Carlos is a doc - HOW about it Carlos - You be the Shrink. Plus we have a Judge down in Galvezton who does divorce cases, so he can handle that end. I have a grandson who mixes some mean Kool-Aid.

I think it's a good idea as long as it don't too formal like the Shriners or such.

Gotta put my G-man out fit on and return to battle.

Vic

Re: B31 Owner's Club
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 10 August 2000, at 9:22 a.m. EDT

Lee,

Thanks! Yup, a real time chat board would be one of the features... I just send a copy of the outline to Uncle Vic, Capt Mike, Stan, and Capy. I'll zot you a copy before I leave to go fix a damn Sea Ray's bashed up swim platform. (I just keep my eyes tightly focused on the platform and pretend I'm working on a B31...)

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Giveaways, weather, etc.
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 10 August 2000, at 9:15 a.m. EDT

Paul,

Sounds great! I talked with Fred on the phone yesterday; he's all pumped up, as I'm sure that the rest of you are also...

Paul, don't reserve any of the "Care Package" goodies for me... Distribute them where they'll do the most good! Want to do something kind for me personally? Get me a photo of you and your wife standing on the dock, at the BI event, with a cockpit shot of "CAPY" in the background... Make it an 8X10. I'll add it to my front office wall.

Have a great time guys... And remember, Come Home Safe!

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: B31 Owner's Club
Lee Irvin -- 10 August 2000, at 9:00 a.m. EDT

Captain Patrick, I would love to help out in any way I can. I had heard last year when I bought sea horse that there was some kind of club of B31's up north somewhere but didn't really investigate. I have two friends that are owners down here, one in Islamorada. There are atleast 4 other 31's that I know about in the neighborhood but don't know the owners. Have you thought about a real time chat room?

Lee

Giveaways, weather, etc.
capy -- 10 August 2000, at 8:57 a.m. EDT

Guys,

Yesterday, the bertram stuff arrived and I think everyone will be pleased. I have beautiful canvas tan caps with navy and gold bertram logos, Bertram logo lip schitt, coffee mugs and beatuiful polo shirts to give out. The weather looks favorable, BI forecast is low 80's for a high and mid 60's for the low, looks like a sunny weekend with a light northwest wind, as a high from canada builds into the area tonight. Capt. Pat, will reserve some stuff for you and send it along with the other stuff we talked about, when it's all over. Hope everyone comes as planned, I got some emails from some that have never even been to the board, guess they heard about it word of mouth and are coming along!

regards,

capy

Re: B31 Owner's Club
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 10 August 2000, at 8:22 a.m. EDT

Mike,

Thanks for the kind words!

During the past week or so I been developing an outline of how we might bring our group to the next level. That of *really* being an "official club". As you know from the beginning, I wanted to be cautious about formality and not create another fiasco like the infamous Bertram Ower's Club from California.

This site will reach it's ninth month on the 25th, and the growth rate, participation, and, with Capy's B31 Block Island Rendezvous this weekend, I'm starting to feel that we really could make a go of a formal club.

Staffing wise, I think that we have the potential talent and commitment from our core group. Specifically: Uncle Vic's legal expertise, Your media talent, Stan's organizational background with clubs, Paul's obvious abilities to organize an event, my background both organizational and Internet related, and the willingness from at least 20 others that have expressed a desire to be formally involved.

I've already secured the registration of several web domains, including B31.org, that can be utilized as a "Members Only" zone. But more on all of this later....

As things shape up and important questions are answered, I'll start making more of the details available here and on the bertram31.com site in general.

For those other of you that would like to be involved in the decision making and planning process, feel free to post your comments here or email me directly.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: So Cal repower ?
Wayne -- 10 August 2000, at 2:04 a.m. EDT

hey TRENT saw you at the gas dock 2 day ago . Try Tony at Fishing Boats Unlimited in Costa Mesa .Hes worked on my boats for years . Hes fair & hes experienced. Be talkin

Ditto, Uncle Vic!
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 9 August 2000, at 10:14 p.m. EDT

Patrick, I also need to tell you how much I enjoy the site. I had been toying with the idea of a 31 Owner's club before I got your first contact, but would never have had the energy, time, or talent to do what you've done here. And, of course, it IS a club! Like Vic, I had admired 31's for years, although in 1962 when my boat was built I was in junior high. I lusted after the boat from pictures long before I saw one in person. When I got the chance to captain one several years ago, I was in heaven. I soon learned that I could blast past the jetties in any weather we cared to go offshore in and rarely back off the throttles when reaching the open Gulf. After running fishing and dive charters on Parrothead for 2 years, I got the chance to buy my old express - for $10,000. The owner even financed it for me, and had me draw up my own contract and terms. I felt I was meant to have this boat! The repowering project has been slower than I had hoped, but I've actually enjoyed every minute of it. I have learned an awful lot, and will have a very intimate knowledge of my boat and its systems when the project is complete. There is also the satisfaction of doing something myself that I never thought I could do. Financial gain doesn't really enter in, because I doubt I could ever sell such a special vessel. The support and fellowship of all the guys on the site has been of immense value, and would never have happened without the efforts of Capt. Pat.

Re: Diesel 101
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 9 August 2000, at 10:02 p.m. EDT

Phil, thanks for asking. Got the starboard engine ready to crank except for not having diesel in the tank yet and needing to hook up the alternator. The port needs a few more wires run and the transmission cooler (finally came in) plumbed in to the raw water system. I'm taking the rest of the week off from my "day" job to work on it. Really want to hear one run Friday - my birthday (what a great present that would be!). I'll still have about a hundred little things left to do to get ready to cruise or fish (and a few before sea trials) but it will be great to hear the engines rumble while I work on something else.

Re: Diesel 101
PHIL - BABYLON, N.Y. -- 9 August 2000, at 9:16 p.m. EDT

Capt Mike - How did the weekend go? - Phil

Re: So Cal repower ?
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 9 August 2000, at 8:50 p.m. EDT

Trent, the project should be pretty staight forward, depending on what your old power was. I had to change struts, shafts, shaft logs, and transmissions, but this was because my boat had 1:1 gears, 1 1/4" shafts, and the struts were too short to run a decent prop. I sent Patrick some pictures yesterday of my engines in the boat, almost ready to crank, with the Cascade kits in place. The engines dropped right in, and setup has been pretty easy - I just haven't had the time to work on it on a daily basis, and I'm doing as much as I can myself. If I can do it, any decent mechanic can. As soon as we get a sea trial done, I'll be posting results.

Re: So Cal repower ?
brianb -- 9 August 2000, at 8:28 p.m. EDT

Steer clear of Newport Harbour shipyard II up in newport. I had a bad experience there, and they still will not return $9800.00 worth of props that were paid for that were to go on a 72 footer. the owners attitude is sue, Ill add it to the other suites pending.

Re: So Cal repower ?
CRAIG -- 9 August 2000, at 2:28 p.m. EDT

check with crows nest brokerage---they may know--i don't have contact name but can get phone # if you need

Re: Block Island Communication
capy -- 9 August 2000, at 2:18 p.m. EDT

Guys,

Payne's suggested 71 or 69, however the full list available is;

9, 68, 69, 71, 72, 78 .

I plan to be scanning all of them, if you hail us on any of them I will respond, and shift to the clearest one.

regards,

capy

Re: Block Island Communication
mike ohlstein -- 9 August 2000, at 1:42 p.m. EDT

Capy suggested 71. I'll be on that one, unless there is to much chatter in which case I'll shift back to 68.

Mike

Re: Block Island Communication
Fred -- 9 August 2000, at 1:31 p.m. EDT

I just spoke again with Cliff Payne. He sounds like quite a character. He says he try's not to monitor any stations. OK.... So pick your favorite channel and post it. We'll look for ya.

So Cal repower ?
Trent -- 9 August 2000, at 12:54 p.m. EDT

I have decided to repower my Bertram 31 with the Cummins used truck engines, and will probably buy the kits from cascade marine in Texas. My question is does anybody know of anybody near Newport Bch or vicinity who has experience with the 31 and can do a good job at a fair price?

Re: Best Wishes From Uncle Vic
Vic Roy -- 8 August 2000, at 5:07 p.m. EDT

Dug - just got to San Diego. Fixing bayonets. Make sure you get the accent right when delivering The Address.

Vic

Re: Best Wishes From Uncle Vic
Dug -- 8 August 2000, at 1:57 p.m. EDT

Right there with ya!

Re: Best Wishes From Uncle Vic
capy -- 8 August 2000, at 11:27 a.m. EDT

Vic,

I will be honored to have dug read your statement at the meeting, but, some how it won't be the same. Sort of like gluing B31 topsides to a searay....no offense dug, but I really want to meet da'man!

regards,

capy

Re: Capy still afloat and well.........
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 8 August 2000, at 10:56 a.m. EDT

Capy,

Good to have you back! I had Pat Allen at Bertram ready to send your care package to Payne's in case you went the way of the "Andrea Gail"....

Have a great time this weekend. Remind everyone to do their part in documenting the B31 Block Island Rendezvous 2000, and flood me with info. I'd like to have your rendezvous pages done by the end of the month.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Giant Blue Fin Tuna
capy -- 8 August 2000, at 9:12 a.m. EDT

I culd use some good news, fishing here is downright depressing....

Regards,

capy

Capy still afloat and well.........
capy -- 8 August 2000, at 9:02 a.m. EDT

Everyone,

I just got back from the following activities,

Giant tuna fishing...very poor.

Cruising to cape cod for last minute repairs caused by a wayward sailboat...80 Nm in 6 to 8 footers at 20 Knts. "Felt like the perfect storm" Carol said. CAPY performed admirably, even though we lost our loran ten miles out, dead reckoning is still the best method of navigation in my book.

Bertram's sales manager is fed exing some merchandise for give aways...probably draw names out of a hat, or have contests for fastest, cleanest, best finish and most potential. 2 magazines want to cover the event, soundings and motor boating and sailing.

Best VHF channel is 71, paynes does not monitor any channel and champlins monitors 68 and uses 19.

I hope all those from NJ,CN,RI,NY and MA who posted ther intentions to show up have a fair tide as they converge on Block Island, remember spread the word.... not all owners know yet.

regards,

Paul Gozewski

"capy"

Block Island Communication
mike ohlstein -- 8 August 2000, at 7:05 a.m. EDT

Any suggestions regarding a VHF and/or SSB channel to use so we can all communicate with each other? There is definately too much chatter on 68, which I know is used by Champlins, and probably by most of the launches and the other marinas.

Mike

Re: Best Wishes From Uncle Vic
Dug -- 7 August 2000, at 9:56 p.m. EDT

If no one else will, (and I think we will all want to in unison actually !!!!) I will be honored to read this for you Vic!

I will not be online for the next couple of days, returning Thursday, as I have an interview on Wednesday that I have to fly to. (that is right, fly to!!! I think someone used the wrong resume with my name on it!) I am sure I will be able to take care of anything at that point, but surely Capy will be able to return before then!

If it is an emergency, call me at 617-592-4834...and we will take care of it then!

D

Re: BIR2000 Practice Run
Dug -- 7 August 2000, at 9:50 p.m. EDT

Fred, sounds like a great plan on the v-berth, and the teak is not that much money anyway! But it goes back to what my father has taught me I guess, and that is that it is all in the presentation and management!

Those coordinates for GSP will work from any points from the west, whether it is inside Long Island but outside of Fishers Island, or inside Fishers coming out of Watch Hill Passage. I look forward to seeing you there!

Dug

Re: Other B31 Events
Vic Roy -- 7 August 2000, at 9:46 p.m. EDT

Yeah Mike - Me and my son Brent were Dave Ballay's first customers at the Venice Marina many years ago. Before they opened, the only place you could launch was a crewboat place, and you had to park your truck on the levee, and the locals stole your battery every time. I used to take the battery out of the truck and take it 25 miles down the river to my old houseboat at Port Eads and then put it back in going home. One time when putting the battery back in, found a note from the battery thieves to the effect that they would slash my tires if I did not leave the battery. Put some locals I knew on that problem, and heard some heads got cracked. Anyway, the Ballays are my best friends, and know their stuff.

See ya - gotta hit the sack to get up before the chickens in the morning to go do justice.

Vic

Screen Saver
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 7 August 2000, at 9:09 p.m. EDT

Patrick, finally got time to download the screen saver (my check is in the mail). Been too busy to do much more than read the newest posts. Great!! I love it! When the next "version" comes out, I hope I'll have photos of mine in action to add to the collection. Of course, it's just an ugly old express model.

Re: Other B31 Events
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 7 August 2000, at 9:06 p.m. EDT

I've heard a lot about Dave Balley and his sons over the years - all good. Sounds like there should be some kind of tax on all the fun those guys are having. When I was that age I was working shiftwork in chemical plants to get enough money to waste of women on my daysf off! But I didn't even know what a Bertram 31 was back then. Budyy pf mine got a 55 pound king mackeral 8 miles off Freeport recently, and there have been a bunch of good dolphin coming in Got to check with Bridge Harbor tomorrow to see what they caught in the billfish tourney over the weekend.

Re: Other B31 Events
Vic Roy -- 7 August 2000, at 8:55 p.m. EDT

Mike - in case you did not know, Brandon Ballay's charter boat, the "Aw Heck" is a B31 that he bought after fishing on mine a couple of times. Has Yanmars and he catches a ton of fish on it. Keeps it about 100 yds from mine. He is about my son's age, they are best buddies, and all of them, including Brandon's brother Brent, are really first class guys with a sense of humor, which is a dying art.

Vic

Re: Other B31 Events
Vic Roy -- 7 August 2000, at 8:36 p.m. EDT

Mike - come on! Talked to som Capt. Brent this afternoon, and he was going to use my 31 to shoot a TV show today on tarpon, but the cameraman did not show up, so he and Brandon Ballay, Brandon's brother Brent, Brandon's deckhand, and another guy took a big skiff down to Pass A Loutre (one of the big, but shallow passes of the Miss River into the Gulf) where Capt. Brent had been seeing a lot of tarpon in 4 or 5 feet of water around a snad bar right off the pass. They hooked 30 - yep thrity - tarpon on light tackle, including a 200 pounder my son hooked 5 feet from the boat and on the first jump hit the back of the skiff. They released about 5, but broke off another 10 at the boat. But no cameraman, but the good news, all of them are charter capts., and they just had fun. Where did I go wrong? Snow picking me up at 6 am to catch the red eye, and the tarpon are jumping in a goddam canoe.

Anyway, keep after your boat, and it will happen. I'll check with you when I get back next weekend, but I may have to go back out there next week, depending on doo doo.

See ya.

Vic

Best Wishes From Uncle Vic
Vic Roy -- 7 August 2000, at 8:26 p.m. EDT

Since I'm headed out on the red eye in the morning, and won't be able to join you, my Bertram 31 friends at the Block Island get-together, I thought I would compose a short address that could be delivered by someone after the assembeled B31'ers have wound up on the whiskey a little, so here goes:

I have coveted owning a Bertram 31 from the first day I say one in New Orleans in 1962. I walked around the finger docks and looked at it from every angle. It captivated me - the lines, the low profile, the perfect way the flybridge topped it off. The huge cockpit, the engine covers that you could sit on and relax, but could open without unbuttoning the whole boat and get right to the engines. The cocky little bow, the gently curving stern, the tucked under - just right, not too much - stern. Then, maybe 5 years later, I got to ride on one. The way it comes straight up out of the water, instead of wallowing up like a goddam Bayliner, blew me away. So I plotted for years and years to own one. But not just any one, but one that was tricked out with modern diesels, etc, and could carry air conditioning, cause it's HOT down here, you Yankees. So I plotted, and I plotted, and one day, one glorious day, the stars all came into line. And I lied to get it, but that's anoter story. Boat lies are not real lies. So I got it, and me and my son, the now famous and TV cleb Capt. Brent - would fish on it - and did for a year, before someone else in the house knew about it. I am shamed for lying, but a man has to do what a man has to do. I have enjoyed the "Another Joy" beyond my wildest expectations, and Uncle Vic has some serious expectations. But then they put the internet in my office, almost over my dead body, since I figgured it was a waste. Then I found the B31 site, and all you guys. I work in a pretty stressful enviorment, but I know you do too. I love to chat with you guys, I love the closeness that we feel, and I love our sheer arrogance in knowing we have the best boat ever built, period.

Ya'll have a clear one for me, and I pledge I will be there next year. Thanks to all of you for your friendship, and THANK YOU CAPT. PATRICK FOR MAKING ALL THIS POSSIBLE.

Your humble friend,

Uncle Vic, the Thankful

Re: Other B31 Events
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 7 August 2000, at 8:24 p.m. EDT

Vic, late Sept/Oct sounds great. I mentioned such a trip to the Editor of Sportfishing (Doug Olander) yesterday, and he said he had just come back from Venice. I just got assigned to do an article on fishing around shrimpboats, and it's due Sept 15, so I need to get busy! Doug asked if I was going to fish with Brandon Ballay on "Aw Heck", said it was the best known 31 in Venice. Told him he was wrong on both points!
The starboard engine is electrically ready to crank except for wiring the alternator stuff - I even got to "bump" it a little yesterday! Port engine isn't far behind. I'm taking Thursday and Friday off and my 19 year old son is coming to visit (my 50th B-day is Friday), so I really hope to crank them suckers up Friday!
Bahamas next summer sounds doable right now. Only kid I have is the 19, wife's kids won't be going anywhere with me, but that's a personal problem. The little woman (5'2" when she stretches on her tip toes) would probably love to go.

Re: factory windshield
Fred G. "Kar-Fre" -- 7 August 2000, at 3:54 p.m. EDT

Call McMaster-Carr in NJ at 732-329-3200
10/24 304 stainless welded wire eyebolts. The item # is 9494T31 for the 2" long(to base of eye) with 1.5" of thread. Ask them to send you a catalog. good luck.

BIR2000 Practice Run
Fred Greis -- 7 August 2000, at 3:44 p.m. EDT

K and I did a practice run on saturday from Moriches to Greenport via Peconic bay, to lay in new gps #'s in case we have to travel on the inside(weather). Stopped in Shelter Isle for a swim. I have all the numbers up to Block on this route if anyone needs them. Thanks for the Block harbor #'s. Can't wait to see your v-berth. Held off for now on the teak, but the walls are stripped and it's a dungeon up there. I figure after two night's up there, and seeing your boat,K will be begging me to spend the units on the teak. Good plan, yes? Count us in for the dinner(2). K called the Bertram factory to order some stuff for the boat and they sounded absolutely giddy about the rendevous. We should be at Paines by mid afternoon friday. -out- PS- safe trip to all.

Re: props
PHIL - BABYLON, N.Y. -- 7 August 2000, at 3:39 p.m. EDT

Mike - I run with 6BTA's 250 hp and turn 2650 RPM with 20 X 24 4 blade (twin disc 1.5:1, 1.5 shaft). Cruise speed same as Vic. Smooth acceleration to planing speed. - Phil

Great Salt Pond Marina Locations
Dug -- 7 August 2000, at 1:19 p.m. EDT

I almost forgot!!!

As you pass the picturesque Coast Guard station with the stand up comedians working it, you will see a beautiful and pristine salt water pond spreading out in front of you. Word of caution. The islanders (and the state!) like to keep it that way, so don't get caught even dumping grey water in the pond. Litter, and holding tanks will end up with you burning at the stake! Trust me, not a good idea!

First marina you will see on the starboard side (they are all on that side of the pond...) is Champlins. It is the biggest and best appointed.

Next is Old Harbor town dock. There is a good store at both Old Harbor and Champlins for nick nacks and snacks, film, batteries etc. Old harbor is very well stocked. Saved me during Block island race week with large water jugs if you know what I mean!

Finally is Paynes (Paines, I cannot remember this spelling for the love of God!!!) Paynes is actually almost straight ahead of you when you enter the pond, so if you just stay in the channel all the way in you should be fine.

Again, hope that helps!!! Any questions, ask!

Dug

Block Island information
Dug -- 7 August 2000, at 1:13 p.m. EDT

Hello all, I hope this helps....

First, the all important GPS coordinates!

1) from Long Island (Montauk) plug these numbers in. (this is a Red Bell)
Lat 4111962
Lon 07135607

These will bring you to the first mark at the entrance of Great Salt pond (GSP) where you want to be. Just drive right in! Keep the break water on your Starboard side.

2) From points north, you should plug these coordinates in: (This is a Green bell)

Lat 4115492
Lon 07134541

These coordinates will bring you to the mark indicating the most northern point of a reef off the north end of the island. Once you get there, plug in the coordinates from the mouth of GSP posted just above and you will be home free.

If anyone has any other questions about coordinates or other, just ask. There are no obstructions to worry about surrounding or in between these.

3) Food locations and suggestions.
I think if we are thinking about a dinner, we ought to shoot for Ballards in on Old Harbor. It is spacious and reasonably priced, and if the weather cooperates there is an outdoor facility that will/should accomodate us all. I will call them to find out. They could also do breakfast I think.
Breakfasts could be gotten at Rebecca's I think, the 1661 Inn, and possibly Dead Eye Dicks. Most of the locations for shopping, eating and other are all in Old harbor, but it is a quick bike ride or taxi ride over there. All marina's on GSP have a bit of a snack shop but that is about it.
Clubs for dancing etc are plentiful, with Dead Eye Dicks within walking distance of Paines, the Yellow Kitten and Nicks providing deadly entertainment, and the Oar at Old Harbor town dock in GSP. Also walking distance from Paines.

4) Transportation is possible by taxi, bike, and moped. Tourists rent the damned mopeds like locusts (similar to Bermuda!), but they get you where you need to go. Biking is great, and the sight seeing is breathtaking, particularly of the lighthouse marking the southern tip of the island. It is a must see! Great beach at the bottom of the worlds largest stairway...

Bring your bikes, you will want them, but be ready for taxis as they make the occasional hill climbing better for late nights!

That should be it. There will be much we can play by ear, and I am thinking Ballards might be best. Let me know numbers (of people) and I can call with a heads up for them!

Looking forward to this weekend!!!

Dug

Event Planning Guideline
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 7 August 2000, at 12:28 p.m. EDT

The just posted Event Planning Guideline is available. http://bertram31.com/events/index.html

It's fairly inclusive of everything that struck my mind on short notice, but by no means the last word on the subject. This guideline will help you in planning your own events. I would love to have other insights and opinions emailed to me. Together we can build a more finely tuned model.

Best regards,

Patrick

Event Planning Guideline

norberto ferretti
CRAIG -- 7 August 2000, at 10:23 a.m. EDT

current owner of bertram has a refurbished 31 for his personal use according to motorboating--august 2000--would love to get details--power etc.
i would assume its pretty tricked out---can anybody help.

factory windshield
Ric -- 7 August 2000, at 10:08 a.m. EDT

.,.,.,.,3 years ago i purchased a factory replacement windshield for the flybridge, Just getting to it now.,the original windshield was attatched to the flybridge with the stock pieces on the ends etc.,however the middle of the windshield from end to end was drilled out and and was fastened thru the windshield to a threaded eye bolt which attatched to the flybridge probably a 10/24 or 10/32.,and the eye served as the opening thru which you would bolt thru the windshield to fasten it down to the flybridge
i cant find these little stainless eye bolts in any trade magazines..,the smallest i've seen is 1/4 inch which is huge and not do/able
anybody replace theirs and know where to get these inexpensive but much needed pieces of hardware
..................thanx.,.,.,ric

Re: Done Deal!
Ric -- 7 August 2000, at 9:57 a.m. EDT

congrats on your accomplishment

I imagine we all(the whole webpage) was captured with the imagination of having a 60k (after taxes) non discretionary bankroll to splurge on our favorite thing. Enjoy it it dont happen that often,.,.,.,ric

Re: Giant Blue Fin Tuna
Ric -- 7 August 2000, at 9:50 a.m. EDT

.,.,well i'm glad to here its about to break
as of 10 days ago there were only 59 fish taken in the general category 50 of those fish were harpoon fish.1 $55 lb. chunk fish taken by a seabrooker(fisherman from seabrook N.H.) a connotation similar to the good old boys in deliverance.,.,and 8 troll fish.,.,.only 6 fish brought into the merrimac river so far this season .,.,.,a pitiful sum.,.,of those 6 4 were taken from 1 harpoon boat.,., the catch is so bad they are opening up the closed days
things are about to bust out..,.,.,go gettem
tight lines

Done Deal!
Jeff -- 7 August 2000, at 9:28 a.m. EDT

Well, it's a done deal on the money. We got a 5 foot long check Saturday nite and can't wait to see how our bank will deposit it. Capt. Patrick, count us in on a Bahamas fling. My vote would be either Walkers or Treasure. I guess if wives were invited, Walkers might be a little too confining and/or fishy, tho. Going to pull the boat tomorrow afternoon to have a thru-hull and seacock put in for the genny. Also have a rattlin' rudder. I've been told the rudder bearings are just cast iron, and rust away. Is a stainless bearing an option, or are there any other options because I'm going to have both rudder bearings replaced during the haulout this week?

Re: So ya' wanna' know about the Capt...
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 7 August 2000, at 8:23 a.m. EDT

Russ,

Thanks & Great!

The Versacel is the product brand name for the PVC Foam Board that I use for all sorts of items that might otherwise be made from plywood. (search the board for previous discussions, use PVC as the keyword, "several eons" as the time frame: http://usamarine.net/cgi-bin/general/bbs.cgi?search ) Also see: http://usamarine.net/cc/proj/tips/pvc.htm

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: So ya' wanna' know about the Capt...
russ -- 7 August 2000, at 7:48 a.m. EDT

Patrick, nice hat good bio. I received the eagles on friday installed same day. look great... the old ones fell apart as i was taking them off. ran those test runs we talked about. best cruse is 3025 rmp 20 gal per hr. at 27.5 mph full fuel four people full water and gear.the packing case for the eagles was made from versacel? how is it to work with, it looks like it has many uses. thanks again for the help......Russ

Re: Giant Blue Fin Tuna
mike ohlstein -- 6 August 2000, at 10:15 p.m. EDT

I was in the fishtails last week, there were lots of long fins, some 60-90 pound yellows, and a very few big eyes. There were dozens of marlin reported, and at least two boated. The giants were much closer to the beach, perhaps only two to four miles off shore, headed toward Montauk. Every dragger in the northeast was here just off Shinecock picking up tons of squid. The GBFT are still passing through here, and are also rounding the end of Long Island and passing between Montauk and Block, and/or going around Block.

Mike

Re: Big Marlin Video
stan -- 6 August 2000, at 9:51 p.m. EDT

Uncle Vic, Learned the hard way on that coonass block & tackle. Almost sunk a 23ft Mako trying to drag a 490# shark I speared over the transom. The one in the video is the "small" one (464#), I had an oil rig crane put the last one I speared on board, it was 491#. Glad you liked the marlin video, I try to bring a camera every time I get out now cause you just never know. Now tarpon, that's a whole nother story, helluva ride.

Re: Other B31 Events
Vic Roy -- 6 August 2000, at 9:49 p.m. EDT

Roger, roger, Capt. Mike. I figure that between my bulls--t and your brains, we can figure this deal out, and win the money in the Bahamas. I been to Grand Bahama once about 30 years ago. I won a ton at the casino and my wife spent it all at the trinket shops. Even is ahead.

See ya.

Vic

Re: New Help, New Services, More Fun...
Vic Roy -- 6 August 2000, at 9:46 p.m. EDT

Patrick - thanks for the moral support. Shame it ain't that simple, or quick, or satisfying. But the World Is Oblong. You right about me being pissed about losing the fishing time, which we can't put back on the calendar. But, Uncle Vic has a Plan. Be glad you ain't on the other end of it.

Again, thanks for the moral support. I'm fixin;' to hit the sack, about 9 here, and get up and after them early. I put in about 25 hours this weekend with a pretty much full crew and another in SD working thru the weekend. It's gonna cost me big time at the sushi bar this week to keep the peace with my own troops. And I do have some real troopers, thank goodness.

Whew. Time to sleep on it all.

Vic

Re: Other B31 Events
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 6 August 2000, at 9:31 p.m. EDT

Uncle Vic,

Look out for hitch hickers on your way through FL... I'll have my thumb in the breeze.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Other B31 Events
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 6 August 2000, at 9:27 p.m. EDT

Dug,

Good luck, have a ball, report back in detail, burn up some film, share the pics!

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: New Help, New Services, More Fun...
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 6 August 2000, at 9:23 p.m. EDT

Uncle Vic,

I'm startin' to get some real insight on what these crooks of yours must be in for as you find 'em...

Not withstandin' their durdy deeds and misconstrued fiscal dealin's, their worst nightmares must come from findin' out that they been screwin' with your fishin' time.

I can just picture you in court now... Gotta' look something like a bobtailed 'gator drug outta' Alligator Bayou while in the middle of eating a tasty revenuer, and carted off to a yankee side show.

Have a good trip, Vic! Maybe there'll be a TV series someday in your honor. A "B31in' Mattlock", when the star ain't jumpin' blue marlin, he's kickin' ass in Diego, dodgin' fruit loops...

You D' Man!

best regards,

Patrick

For dem yankee's what don't know 'bout Alligator Bayou

Re: Other B31 Events
Vic Roy -- 6 August 2000, at 9:20 p.m. EDT

Mike - how close are you to running? The way my life is shaping up, late Sept or early Oct looks best right now for a trip. I think I can get you a ride maybe on a private plane from your area over here. Would you be interested in going to the Bahamas with me from Venice? Two days in the summer, with late light, to Fla east coast the way I figure it. Maybe 3. Figure about a 10 day trip. Your wife is welcome, but not the kids. My wife don't boat offshore, so I guess she could fly over there and back.

Dreamin', just dreamin'

Vic

Re: Other B31 Events
Dug -- 6 August 2000, at 9:05 p.m. EDT

Well, I have made the mental committment, and fueled up today, so I guess that means that I will be there barring any acts of God!

Mystic, CT is the origination point, Groton Long Point to be specific. I will probably head out Saturday morning early, but we shall see!

Dug

Re: Other B31 Events
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 6 August 2000, at 9:05 p.m. EDT

Patrick, I can help with some of the major sportfishing mags - Saltwater Sportsman, Sportfishing, etc. I have been wanting to have a form of Bertram Hatteras Shootout in Freeport, but wanted to wait until my boat was running, so I could participate. I have some influence with the marina folks here.

Re: Giant Blue Fin Tuna
Dug -- 6 August 2000, at 8:51 p.m. EDT

Mike,

Where did you hear these reports? I will check with the charter fleet around me, surely they will know the details. I know that the tuna are all about out there, from 50 miles or so on out. Especially an area known as "the Fishtails", which is about 75 miles out. A 48 Ocean coming into the river this afternoon gave me the thumbs up on thier trip today, so I know there are fish out there...

D

Re: New Help, New Services, More Fun...
Vic Roy -- 6 August 2000, at 8:16 p.m. EDT

What he say? What a URL? Folks, this has gotten so far ahead of me, I'm just glad to finally figure out where the porn sites are on the net so I can avoid them. Those German ones are nasty.

Sonny - where are the South American ones so I can avoid them too, since you seem to have learned to avoid them too.

Well, I worked all weekend at th4e office. I gotta be nuts. It's almost too hot here to go fishing, tho. Going to San Diego on the redeye Tues for the rest of the week. I'll take my laptop so you guys can humor ole Uncle Vic.

Uncle Vic, the tired, the wore out, ready to kick some ass. Somebody gonna pay.

Giant Blue Fin Tuna
mike ohlstein -- 6 August 2000, at 8:15 p.m. EDT

There were reports of several GBFT caught just off of Block Island on Saturday. Everyone bring a 130.

Mike

Re: props
Vic Roy -- 6 August 2000, at 6:34 p.m. EDT

Mike - I have the identical engines in my B31. Sounds like WAY too much pitch. Need to know gear ratio, and at what rpm they top out at WOT.

I run 21 x 22 nibrals - 3 blades, with no cup - thru a ZF IRM 220A gear at 1.5 to one. I top out at 2650 rpm, which is where the governors are set on the 6bta 250; I cruise at 2400 and make about 24 or 25 kts, with no smoke;

Depending on your gear, sounds to me like too much pitch and the engine is laboring. Now, on the other hand,if you can turn 2600 or above with usual load and it's still smoking at cruise, them maybe another problem. Remember, 250 hp 6bta's still smoke a little at cruise when set up perfect - on a calm day you can see sort of a smoggy contrail way behind the boat, but no heavy black that fouls the transom.

Anyway, gotta run - wife hollering I'm late for something that requires a godam tie.

Vic

New Help, New Services, More Fun...
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 6 August 2000, at 4:55 p.m. EDT

In my ongoing attempt to make this site worthy of being the "Best Damn Bertram(anything) Site on the Net", here's a couple of New Features to bertram31.com!

Several of you have asked how to add images and links to your posts. Well, here's the "Step by Step, Graphically Enhanced, Posting URLs 101": http://bertram31.com/help/posting_links.htm   Soon, you too will be "Armed and Dangerous!"

Want a Personal Images Directory of your own?  Containing your own web images?  Want to show off an image of your best fish caught from your B31?  Tired of attaching massive image files to your email buddies?

Here's a solution: http://bertram31.com/help/my_images.htm

Best regards,

Patrick

Links & Image Posting 101

Re: Other B31 Events
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 6 August 2000, at 4:37 p.m. EDT

Bill,

Great idea! Thanks for tracking her down, and be sure that Capy and/or Dug gets her contact info.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Other B31 Events
Bill M. -- 6 August 2000, at 1:05 p.m. EDT

Capt.,

This isn't the right slot but I fig. youd see it quicker.There is a lady photografer who tools around Long Island Sound,BI etc.taking off the cuff pictures of boats ,marine scenes and the like.I just E-mailed a friend on L.I.about getting her data,could be good for the rendevous.
My buddy saw a piture of his 35 Egg in a magazine and was able to get blow ups from her,at a cost.
Maybe a calender or such wityh pics. of the attending craft.

Bill M.

Re: props
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 6 August 2000, at 12:53 p.m. EDT

Mike,

I can't recall the rated full load top RPM for the 6BTA, but at full throttle you should be within 100 RPMs of the rating. If you're getting less than the rating you're over propped, more than the rating, you're under propped.

19" - 20" can be an acceptable diameter, so you'd probably only need to adjust the pitch. A medium cup is usually desirable.

Before you jump to conclusions about your wheels being the problem, you should first make sure that your engines are performing at their peak. Generally, any excessive exhaust smoke is not related to wheel tuning except on acceleration.

Good luck and,

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Other B31 Events
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 6 August 2000, at 12:38 p.m. EDT

Mike,

Sure hope you're back on the water this year!!

To all, In General:

I know that we'd all like to get events cranked up ASAP, but all will take good planning and lots of talking the event up. Shoot Outs especially need sponsorship. The bigger the sponsor and the more sponsors to kick in the better. Most corporate sponsors will have annual budgets to meet. Most are on a calendar year, some on a fiscal year. Getting an event scheduled and before a potential sponsor before their budget is tapped out is imperative.

Same applies to getting notice by Magazine media. They are usually going to press at least a month before an issue is scheduled to hit the stands. Some as much a 3 months in advance. That means that notice to them about your event needs to be delivered as much as 3 months in advance of the event.

Other than casual get togethers between now and the end of the year, our thoughts for anything major should be focused on or after January 1, 2001.

Sometime soon I'll try to develop an "Event Planning Guideline" that will help anyone to get their show on the road.

Those of you who have organizational skills and talents, and those who have had any dealing with getting publicity out to the proper media, send me your insights and tips via email or post them here on the board.

Best regards,

Patrick

props
Mike Alvarez -- 6 August 2000, at 11:22 a.m. EDT

I have twin 6 BTA Cummins (250HP). Would like to know what size props I should be running. I suspect that props on the boat which are 19/26 are taxing the engines and causing black smoke at cruise speed on 24 knots.(2350 RPMs) Would like any suggestions on size props or response from other owners with same engines.

Re: Other B31 Events
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 6 August 2000, at 9:32 a.m. EDT

I'm in for planning a Freeport/Galveston area event. I had planned to talk to Bridge Harbor about a Bertram Hatteras type shootout, but wanted to get mine running first, so I could participate!

Most Venerable Soon Now Mon
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 6 August 2000, at 7:40 a.m. EDT

Chuck,

I'm with you on when they'll finish the hotel. They've been saying "soon now, mon" for so long that it's starting to sound like a Chinese name... I haven't been there since last year, but will possibly be making a "Lunch Run" over to West End/Freeport later this month. Maybe I can pick some brains then.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: BI information coming...
DavidR -- 6 August 2000, at 6:40 a.m. EDT

Hi Dug,

I'm not bringing my boat...but will most likely be there ..is anyone tieing up at any particular marina Paines...Champlin's etc...I want to get some pictures etc....I guess the only transportation on the island is taxi's ...I hope everyone stays together????Is anyone planing anything for Sundays.?..Not sure what day to come over...Let me known which day is best....David

Ignorance is Bliss?????
Bill M. -- 5 August 2000, at 11:54 p.m. EDT

Capt.Patrick,

1)I am using an old compaq laptop with a 120 chip.

2)I tried to download the ESPN thing and got some blue and white pixels and something that looks like a mast,what happend?

3)Haven't tried to down load the screen saver yet,scared!

4)For those that have not seen the message on Yachtingnet/forums Powerboat"The funniest thing I have heard on the radio",6/15/00,please post.I tried but gave up.

5)You are doing great work,please keep it up!The messages are sure great to spell watching Interquote.(stock market)

Here it is Sat.night,my wife went to the states yesterday,I just mixed my second Russian nectar,and what am I doing,reading Bertram 31.
Oh,to round out my day,I just checked out the new rudder parts,guess what,the posts are magnetic!!

Good night,Bill M.

Big Marlin Video
Vic Roy -- 5 August 2000, at 8:18 p.m. EDT

Stan - the video turned out great! I tried in my machine at home, and it worked fine. I guess my wife never knew they have buttons on the VCR, not just on the remote. That big blue really kicked Lyman and Bob's ass at the boat. I noticed Bob kept letting go, which is probably why Lyman got all cut up. Hell, he's a G-Man, so he's used to it.

The shark video is pretty scary - how big was that one ya'll used the coonass block and tackle on? For you up north, the coonass block and tackle is how you get a 500 lb or so fish in the boat when you spear it under an oil platform. Tie one end of a long rope to the shark's tail, run the other end over one of the cross pipes way up on the platform, and then back to the stern of the boat. Give 'er the gas, and VOLLA!, Senior Shark rises up in the air, the guy on the platform ties it off with another rope, then move the boat back under the monster, and lower it in.

I'll get some stills cut off the video and send them to Patrick to post. The marlin may actually bigger than I remember, which they always are.

I'm in for a Bahamas deal. Son Capt. Brent called this afternoon begging to use my 31 to shoot a tarpon trip tomorrow for his TV show, and I let him borrow it. Fool that I am. He says the huge tarpon are thick as flies in West Delta 58 block - right by Venice, maybe 4 miles offshore.

But all I do is talk about it or so it seems. One day soon, one day soon.

Uncle Vic

Re: West End Shoot Out?
chuck k -- 5 August 2000, at 6:18 p.m. EDT

Capt Pat
I have seen the progress of west end the past few years if (1)of those two stories are done by 2002 it would be a miracle.I cear customs there pretty regularly haven't seen anything i would call progress.Do you remember how long it took to finish harbour hotel(5 minutes from west end).I haven't been there but i here that is done and pretty nice.I also heard they took neilie to jail.chuck

Re: West End Shoot Out?
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 5 August 2000, at 9:05 a.m. EDT

Tom,

Sounds good... Know exactly what you mean by Bahamian time and promises...

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: West End Shoot Out?
Tom Oakes -- 5 August 2000, at 9:02 a.m. EDT

Patrick-

The hotel (a series of two story cottage style buildings were fully enclosed when I was there in June. They were working on the interiors. The beach is quite nice there. Fuel is reasonable, the new resturant is in question. The marina is quite nice, showers are above average, docks are in great shape. Charcoal barbecues are scattered about, and no high fees for h2o. They anticipated completion date"by the later part of October, Bahamian time?!#*#*."

Tom

Re: West End Shoot Out?
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 5 August 2000, at 8:29 a.m. EDT

Tom,

You're on! West End *would* be a lot closer, fishing may not be as good, but the lower reach of Matanilla Shoal can be hot for wahoo. If the black fin are off of the drop there ought to be a marlin or two hanging around. Only a few clicks above Memory Rock... April might be good, and before you up north guys take your boats back home...

Have you heard anything on the progress of the hotel at West End? Un-finished the last that I heard.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Other B31 Events
Vic Roy -- 5 August 2000, at 8:17 a.m. EDT

Patrick - not gonna be able to make it since I have to go out to San Diego Tues and won't be thru until Fri. Just can't fly fast enough. Maybe I can give a speech via sattelite like the politicians do.

Vic

Re: So ya' wanna' know about the Capt...
Tom Oakes -- 5 August 2000, at 8:11 a.m. EDT

Patrick:

I'll kickin 1K toward prizes for a Bahamas shootout. The new West End marine facility might be good. Not too far, clean, and allows for a variety of fishing grounds.

Tom Oakes

Re: eAngler Commercial on ESPN
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 5 August 2000, at 6:33 a.m. EDT

Paul,

You're right! Awesome clip. Haven't seen the ESPN version. Sure wouldn't want that puppy in my cockpit! See the story about the guy getting speared and drifting around for a couple of days until another boat stumbled across him? Damn, that hurts just thinking about it!

For those of you who haven't seen the onlie video: http://eangler.com/images/ea256b.mpg

Best regards,

Patrick

Alberto is coming...
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 5 August 2000, at 6:23 a.m. EDT

Well, we've got our first Cape Verde TS rolling our way... Aimed right at the Virgins.

Been real quite so far this season, (calm before the storm?), but things are changing. Alberto was named yesterday and expected to reach hurricane F1 by the end of today. Time for us east coast guys to start puckerin' up...

Best regards,

Patrick

Hurricane 2000 dot com

Other B31 Events
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 5 August 2000, at 6:00 a.m. EDT

OK, Everyone put your thinking caps on...

Capy's Block Island Rendezvous is a week away and seems to be shaping up well. Uncle Vic, are you still planning on making an appearance?

How many of you are committed for the meet, or hope to be there? Role Call, Please! Include your boat name and hailing port...

The rest of you, especially those over here on the "Right Coast", What about?:

Shoot Out(s) Bertram 31 vs. ?????? "The B31 Challange"
(Should be a high recognition name boat brand, possibly another "Classic" - Hatteras? Black Fin? All Comers?) Length limit? 40'?


NW Atlantic - NY? Atlantic City? Cape May? Ocean City?
Mid Atlantic - Savanna? Charleston? South Port? Little Creek?
NW FLorida - Daytona? St. Augustine? Jacksonville
SE Florida - Stuart? Palm Beach? Miami? Islamorada? Key West?
SW Florida - Ft. Meyers? Venice? Tampa? Clearwater?
NW Florida - Panama City?
Alabama/Missippi - Orange Beach? Gulf Port?
Louissianna - Sportsman? Venice?
Texas - Galveston? Freeport? Corpus Christi?
Bahamas - Walkers? Chubb?
Puetro Rico/Virgin Islands - San Juan - St. Thomas
Mexico - Hacienda? Isla? Cozzumel? Puetro Aventuras?
Venezuala
Hawaii
East Coast U.S. Rendezvous Locations:
Conneticut/RI/LI (Block Island Rendezvous 2000)
New York
New Jersey
Chesapeake
North/South Carolina
Georgia/N Florida
Florida Mid-East
Florida SE
Florida West
Alabama/Mississippi/Louisanna
Louisanna/Texas

If we start brain storming now, I think we could put together some fun stuff for 2001...

Best regards,
Patrick

Re: So ya' wanna' know about the Capt...
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 5 August 2000, at 4:12 a.m. EDT

Sounds like a Plan, Stan!

Between getting to be an old fart and too many irons in the fire, I've long since passed my "Party Animal" phase, but going to a shindig today at a buddy's house in Jupiter. We met on my first PA, Mexico run in '91. He'll be throwing a bash that almost meets your get together discription. Looking forward to it!

Bruce and I were at lunch Friday, talking about Capy's Rendezvous, and came up with the thought that we need to get a "Down South" meet going for next year. Maybe a "Shoot Out" in the Bahamas. B31s against all other lesser brands up to 40'. Where's that Blackfin Club???! Bruce, (Southeast Marine), is already pledging the first $1,000 of prize/sponsorship money.

With enough advance planning, might get some big sponsors and serious units on the table.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: So ya' wanna' know about the Capt...
stan -- 5 August 2000, at 12:23 a.m. EDT

Confirmed my suspicions. That's a hell of a background Capt. Pat, my guess is you bleed saltwater by now. Like to hear more in person rafted over bluewater & coral with coconut bikini tote'n island girls sportin rum drinks and a dozen or so B31 buddies somewhere basically uncharted.

Re: Big Marlin Tape is IN!
stan -- 5 August 2000, at 12:05 a.m. EDT

You sure are slipprey Uncle Vic. Are you sure you're not a government man? No scar, marks or tattoos. Ever think about gettin a commercial pilots license? It'd probably pay ya in the long run, just move up to the bow, take over-get paid.
As far as the vcr goes, I say a few of us show up at one of your offsprings to view the tape after an eve. of cool-aid supported go-rounds & 10:1 you'de get a shiney new japanese vcr for Christmas. I'm off to prep the fields this weekend in order to entice large mammals into
slaughtering range this fall. over.

Big Marlin Tape is IN!
Vic Roy -- 4 August 2000, at 10:03 p.m. EDT

Thanks, Stan, I got mine and Snow's tapes today,and brought them home, kinda late gettin' home due to lawyer-dribble from the left coast that will require my newly formulated non-travel deal to be suspended for next week while I go with the big red fire extinguisher to the other side of the world. Hope the sucker is primed.

Anyway, Stan, went to look at the tape and wife advises that our one 1972 VCR (the kids took the good ones when they moved out, ain't complaining) does not work unless you can find the remote control, which has been lost for several years. Bottom line is I have the tapes, but will have to go over to my office tomorrow and try to watch them. I see mine has some extra stuff on it, and I think it says "shark footage". Can't wait.

Anyway, thanks a bunch, and let's see - I talked about this week fishing, and next week fishing, and now I can't. I fear I will be found in seat 2A on a Delta flight dead, and been that way for a month, and nobody notices, since they so used to seein' me there. The guy that cleans out the seat pockets justs dusts me off and thinks I'm snoozing. Like the Vet. I saw sitting next to me last week - we looked at each other and I said, "I think we have met". He then tells me he's sat next to me 50 times and knows I have a goddam 31 Bertram, and he's sleepy. Party Pooper.

So Long

Vic

Re: Survey - The technical side of bertram31.com
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 4 August 2000, at 8:39 p.m. EDT

Sonny,

Thanks! Tell Bobby to jump right on in...

You got your boat back in the water yet? I need a photo or image to get you accounted for on the images page...

Best regards,

Patrick

So ya' wanna' know about the Capt...
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 4 August 2000, at 8:33 p.m. EDT

OK, some of know a bit about me, some of are maybe wondering just who the hell I am. Dug, once suggested getting some of us to post bios. Might still be an idea worth pursuing...

We all know something of Uncle Vic through his posts and web page, ( http://bertram31.com/uncle_roy.htm ). Without him here, we might be in danger of an "Anal Retentive Out Break".

For those who've shown an interest, here's the tip of the iceberg on me. It just might be more than you really wanted to know... http://bertram31.com/bio.htm

Best regards,

Patrick

bertram 31 - bertram31.com images

Capt Patrick's Profile...

Capy! Are you there?!
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 4 August 2000, at 5:18 p.m. EDT

Paul,

The Bertram Factory is trying desperately to contact you!

Clipped from an email just received, (cc'd to you also):

"Paul, by copy of this e-mail - PLEASE call me with a shipping address for those few giveaways I listed the other day. You could also email, or fax to 305-635-1388." (Pat Allen pat.allen@bertram.com 305.633.8791)

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Cummings 470 oil/water problem
Glenn -- 4 August 2000, at 10:25 a.m. EDT

Vic - tried to e-mail you but it would not accept your address.

I have some Bertram literature that notes 470's as am option on older 31's. I have had a real problem here as serial numbers were missing from the pans when I bought the boat over 10 years ago. I assume that these engines are over 20 years old.

They are Cumming diesels, same block as 504's which later became the triple nickel's. OHV and fresh water cooled. Transmission cooler is seperate from the engine and has no interface with high pressure oil - also no water in transmission. Oil cooler is mounted on side of lower block and is a intergal part on engine.

Thanks - Glenn

Setting Message Board Preferences
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 4 August 2000, at 9:05 a.m. EDT

Uncle Vic,

There are several ways to modify the viewing format of the messages and you can configure to your liking from 6 basic styles. Each of them has strong points and weak points. The "Reversed Thread" format is set as the default, but any change you make will be remembered as unique to your computer. Try playing with them at http://usamarine.net/cgi-bin/general/bbs.cgi?reconfigure .

Once there, you will see the "List messages" selection box. Clicking on the gray down arrow button will produce the full list of options. Play around with them by selecting one and then clicking on the "View Message Index" bar below the text description paragraph.

If that style doesn't suit your fancy, just click the back button and try another. Which ever style you are viewing will be remembered as what you want in the future, until you go back and change it again.

Actually the reversed thread style is probably the best of all worlds. If your only real problem is too long of a list of messages to scroll through, changing the time span of the messages to be shown would probably do the trick for you.

On the "Message Index Display Configuration" page where it says "List messages posted or modified within the last", you can select from as short a period as 12 hours, to as long as "Several Eons", (which will display ALL messages, up to the upper limit of 2,000 - currently approaching 1,700).

Since you are here almost every day, setting the time period to either 1 day or 2 day would reduce your list, and scrolling, drastically. A new reply, even to a post from the distant past will be displayed with the post or thread that occurred immediately above it.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Survey - The technical side of bertram31.com
SONNY -- 3 August 2000, at 11:32 p.m. EDT

Pat- Windows, Explorer, 16", no frames. Also used your custom guide for last seven days, new messages under heading in red and blue and latest discussions at the top. With the windows I use the favorites index and have you under Bertram 31-Devoted. Just click and you appear. Everyone probably does this the same way, I mentioned it as I was hooking a friend with a new computer up with your site and he didn't know about the favorites. His name is Bobby White, keeps his 31 on the cape (cod). Called me back and said what a great site and will be a regular. I agree.

Re: Cummings 470 oil/water problem
SONNY -- 3 August 2000, at 11:02 p.m. EDT

Glen- I believe the 470 Cummins had what they call "wet liners" where the cylinder liners have a full 360 degree water flow around them.The liners are about 1/4" thick and have rubber seals to keep the coolant water from entering the lower portion that joins the block. Common problem in the older Cummins if they weren't installed right or the coolant ph is not kept exactly to the book. Water in the oil is the first sign. Also two more things. I believe the 70Berts had Cummins 504s (same deal),and I tried to heads up a fellow on the Tony Athens Cummins site who was trying to diesel power his 31Bert. I suggested he try Patricks site (this one), and gave the web address. They kicked my message out because I mentioned another web site. Never been back.

Re: The Speed of Light
stan -- 3 August 2000, at 10:57 p.m. EDT

Hmmm, those sufferin bastards. I think Cox cable New Orleans is even different from Jefferson. Now that's for the house (30 mo.) the business is $180 mo for my server & half doz. work stations. They include "free" support so it's worth it. I ran 3 vans full of techs nuts for a week settin up the oracle database I use.

Re: comnav autopilots
stan -- 3 August 2000, at 10:53 p.m. EDT

C) Uncle Vic, the check, I mean tapes are in the mail...Gottem out to you on tuesday. And hell, that jetty is soft rock & that was you on the flybridge? cool-aid & party ice, kinda like griauds & grits. Fixed the unauthorized liquid entry in the Cobia boat, Tim's marine is toolin on the Mako & meetin the half tower weldin cat at the Bert 0800 sharp. If I was without the joy of marine burden, I'd be dead or in jail by now.

Re: comnav autopilots
Vic Roy -- 3 August 2000, at 9:34 p.m. EDT

Hey Stan - on the 450 marlin trip when my cheap ass autopilot was borke, I used you to drive us in, and you only got about 5 miles off course drinking red and whites with me on the FB. But you saw the bank almost 3 miles away, and I only had to take the wheel to miss the jetty. I think you should go with the expensive stuff so I can ride in your cockpit with confidence.

Word today is the Sinking Houseboat On The Bank may splash back late next week. Shift bracket on the gear of 31 is to be fixed today. Doo-doo coming down in San Diego. Anybody got a opening at a shoe store?

Stan - Snow wore my butt out today about getting a copy of his great victory over the 450. You not hiding that (1) you forgot to put the tape in, or (2) the battery was dead, huh? I need a new profession, like retired.

Vic

Re: Survey - The technical side of bertram31.com
Vic Roy -- 3 August 2000, at 9:22 p.m. EDT

Windows 98, 25 in monitor (I'm blinder than Jeff, plus have to run VoomText Extra to blow it up so I can even seen it on the big screen) I guess no frames, altho I'm not sure what I using - use the @home cable modem, which is so fast it scares you - and finally, the only complaint I have is that when I pull the site up and it says there are 26 new posts, and some of them are way down the board, I have to scroll my butt off to find them, and sometime run out of patience. How can I zoom in on just the new posts?

Uncle Vic, the techno-dumb

Re: Cummings 470 oil/water problem
Vic Roy -- 3 August 2000, at 9:07 p.m. EDT

Glenn - I've never heard of a Cummins 470, so I'm in the dark here. The only way water can get in the oil, and vice versa, is thru a hole where they interact. I assume you have a transmission cooler, which is not an "oil cooler". Is this a Cummins diesel, or a Mercruiser gas 470 i/o? Give me a general description of the engine, such as no. of cyls, year of manufacture, heat exchanger or raw water cooled, ohv or flat head. Just don't recognize the model, and I've seen most of the Cummins over the years.

Vic

Re: Cummings 470 oil/water problem
PHIL - BABYLON, N.Y. -- 3 August 2000, at 8:39 p.m. EDT

Glenn - located web address "www.dieselmarine.com". Try posting your problem with Tony Athens. - Phil

Re: Cummings 470 oil/water problem
PHIL - BABYLON, N.Y. -- 3 August 2000, at 8:32 p.m. EDT

Glenn - Sorry to hear the bad news. Referred to Cummins manual "Troubleshooting Symptoms" as follows: oil leak from oil cooler, head gasket, head or cylinder block. Very vague. May I suggest "Tony Athens" Diesel Mechanic - very helpfull website (linked to B31).

Re: eAngler Commercial on ESPN
Paul -- 3 August 2000, at 8:22 p.m. EDT

I went to eAngler.com and they have the ad for download. You have to watch it more than once to see what "happens" to that poor 170lb guy. Make sure your volume is on... it ads to the chaos of the whole event...

eAngler Commercial on ESPN
Paul -- 3 August 2000, at 7:43 p.m. EDT

Just a heads up on an ad that is getting played on ESPN. Bunch of guys are hooked to a Nice marlin, it is doin its dance, someone yells for the capt to come starboard, the fish goes to the stern, it goes airborn, and lands fully in the cockpit! all 400lbs, gave me that "rush" just watching it. A+ commercial even though the boat isn't a 31

Re: Survey - The technical side of bertram31.com
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 3 August 2000, at 7:40 p.m. EDT

Paul,

Thanks! Actually I run with a pretty sophisticated stats server on an NT IIS environment, (Media House's Statistics Server LiveStats 5.0).

Looking here to get the straight skinny from the actual visitors that I care about. You guys... Only so much that raw data reporting can offer.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Survey - The technical side of bertram31.com
Paul -- 3 August 2000, at 6:03 p.m. EDT

Windows 98, IE5.0, 17" NEC, Frames, no problems to report.

Great site btw; one of the few that actually addresses a need... keep up the great work!

If you are trying to compile stats for your site you may want to consider Web Statistical Software like WebTrends Log Analyzer(webtrends.com). It enables you to obtain Very detailed info about your site: who is visiting, how many times the screen saver was downloaded, the most popular pages, what search engines directed visitors, how much time they spend during their visit, what browser they are using, what links are clicked etc etc. just about any info you could want. Consult you web host tech support, and tell them you need site analysis; and can they create the log files for this to happen? they should... Stat software is very usefull if you are thinking of employing an advertising program...

Cummings 470 oil/water problem
Glenn -- 3 August 2000, at 5:49 p.m. EDT

Have twin 470 engines in my 1970 SF - old/heavy engines but they have been great for me - and I don't like the alternative! Had port engine re-built (new jugs/liners/rods/etc). Engine worked great before re-build but it was getting hard to watch baits through the smoke.

Engine oil now gets into fresh water system as soon as oil heats up. Oil pressure 55 and, I guess, water pressure 10-15. Have pulled oil cooler and pressure checked it to 60 lbs, then again (sure that was the problem) to 110 lbs. Have pulled heads but gaskets good.

Any ideas? Desperate (!)

Re: comnav autopilots
Stan -- 3 August 2000, at 5:48 p.m. EDT

Thanks guys, I can always add the differential beacon later(garmin brand will work for about $300 after further research). There are a few wrecks & pinicals in the Gulf that I want to get on is the only reason for it. I'm usually targeting structure that you can see for ten miles. As far as passes at night in the fog during a blow, I'll pray that my radar is working!
BTW, he has another unit for that price if anyone is interested, let me know.

Re: comnav autopilots
Jeff -- 3 August 2000, at 4:49 p.m. EDT

Stan, SA is already off, but for repeatability
similar to loran, I'd go with the differential.
My unsolicited 2cts worth.

Re: comnav autopilots
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 3 August 2000, at 3:47 p.m. EDT

Stan,

That's a good price for the 951X. Have you been using GPS or LORAN for your dive coordinates? The XD would bring you to a point with the accuracy similar to LORAN. Even though the Goverment says no more selective availability, I still see a lot of inaccuracy, (remember that atmospheric conditions and satellite positions play a big role with GPS). The bill may have a Bill C. signature, but when will it actually be reality???

For surface targets bigger than a milk bottle the X will get you close enough. Running numbers in a fog would be a bit hairy on an X. Top water fishing is more a mater of water clarity, temperature breaks, floating debris, thermoclines, and other factors that no GPS can see, (at least yet).

Yeah, I'd put the 600 units into something else, but it's a good price too...

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Survey - The technical side of bertram31.com
Rick -- 3 August 2000, at 3:38 p.m. EDT

Capt. Pat,

Windows, 15", AOL, No frames.

Thanks for all your work maintaining the site!

Rick

Re: comnav autopilots
Stan -- 3 August 2000, at 3:12 p.m. EDT

Actually Capt. Pat, I was looking at the 1420, a VERY simiple unit. Your gps is the readout screen. You can push one button to maintain current heading based only on the units compass or push the nav button for it to go off of the gps coordinates. He's been installing a ton of them & everyone seems to be satisfied. I went with the northstar 951x at his "cost" for $1750ish. The unit with the differential is almost $600 more, how neccessary is that now that the gov. relaxed on that issue?

Re: Block Island- COMMITMENT!
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 3 August 2000, at 2:42 p.m. EDT

Capy,

Here's your sunflower image, (heavily edited for display).

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Survey - The technical side of bertram31.com
Tommy -- 3 August 2000, at 2:25 p.m. EDT

Capt. Patrick,
Glad to respond. Windows; 17" screen; Explorer; No Frames. Problems? Same as Richard Miller, the Page distracts me from work, but I'll suffer through it.
Tommy

Re: Survey - The technical side of bertram31.com
Richard A. Miller -- 3 August 2000, at 12:33 p.m. EDT

Windows NT (work), Windows 98 (home), 19" monitor (work), 13" laptop (home), some kind of direct connection to the Internet (work), DSL (home), use Frames at both spots, no problems at all at either location, my only complaint is that this site is so much fun that it is a constant distraction at the office.

Re: Survey - The technical side of bertram31.com
Carlos Sucre -- 3 August 2000, at 12:23 p.m. EDT

Hi Patrick
Using Mac, 14 in monitor, Netscape, No Frames
My only complaint: Cannot make it to the Block Island rendevouz :-) :-)
Top web site
excellent job
thanks
Carlos

BI information coming...
Dug -- 3 August 2000, at 12:21 p.m. EDT

Hi all,

I am going to get a few bits and pieces of information for y'all on Block Island and would like to know if there are any questions you might like to add. Here are the bits and pieces I am going to grab as of now...

1) GPS coordinates for approaches from Long Island, and Points north. I am going to also describe where each marina is in Great Salt Pond (GSP) so you can find it. (Bit of a last plug for my last employer. IF you go to Boatscape, you can get live charts which are fed off of the Maptech Mapserver, and it will give you a chart of GSP etc. if that would be a help)

2) Food locations and suggestions.

3) transportation options (I am not sure if I will be able to get any specific numbers or names, but more list the options...

4) BI specific sights that might be of interest.

Let me know if there are any other things missing you would like to know and I will try to get it all on by this evening.

Best,

Dug

Re: Survey - The technical side of bertram31.com
Stan -- 3 August 2000, at 11:16 a.m. EDT

Windows, explorer, 17" & 19", cable modem, frames. Great set up on the web page, no complaints. Thanks again.

Re: Cockpit floor
craig santamaria -- 3 August 2000, at 10:26 a.m. EDT

my boat is in miami as we speat getting floors put in at glasstech i've been down there several times and the have 31's all over having wk done they have everything for the 31 Bertram sends all there wk there . Proximity ,i guess .

Re: Survey - The technical side of bertram31.com
russ -- 3 August 2000, at 10:19 a.m. EDT

Pat,monitor..21", explorer,no frames, no problem with the site,best on the web....russ

Re: Survey - The technical side of bertram31.com
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 3 August 2000, at 9:56 a.m. EDT

Jeff,

Thanks, both for the participation and the kind words! The more I know about what others see when viewing my sites, the better I can make them...

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: comnav autopilots
Jeff -- 3 August 2000, at 9:53 a.m. EDT

Stan, I agree with Capt. Patrick, to go with the dealer that "brung you," since he would be servicing the unit. Personally, however, I still highly recommend the Simrad AP 11. I spoke with an electronics dealer in Wilmington, NC who also happens to own a B31. He told me the only way to go was the AP11, and he wasn't trying to sell me one. He was very, very high on the Simrad.

Re: Survey - The technical side of bertram31.com
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 3 August 2000, at 9:50 a.m. EDT

Marshall,

Thanks! The Ford Diesel site uses a different BB system, but you have access to several different ways that this board can be configured for your own preferences. Check it out at http://usamarine.net/cgi-bin/general/bbs.cgi?reconfigure

Play around with display options and the time frame of how far back messages are tracked and displayed. A new message will always be displayed the next time you visit, regardless of your setting. (up to 2000 messages)Even if a message isn't listed as new, (you didn't revisit within the time fame you selected), any message that you haven't read would be linked in blue.

Also check out the BB FAQ at: http://usamarine.net/cgi-bin/general/faq.htm

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Survey - The technical side of bertram31.com
Jeff -- 3 August 2000, at 9:46 a.m. EDT

Capt. Patrick, and the answer is:

1. Windows
2. I'm going blind, so 19" monitor
3. Explorer
4. Frames version
5. Have had no problems with this site.
6. This is without a doubt the best constructed

web site on the net. Really works great,

which is totally a testament to you skill

and knowledge on the computer. Don't really

understand how you could be so talented in so

many areas. Heck, I can barely turn the dang

thing on in the morning, and I work on the

computer every day! We will be forwarding a

thank you gift in a day or so as I am going

to attempt to download the screen saver today.

Re: comnav autopilots
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 3 August 2000, at 9:37 a.m. EDT

Stan,

Here's the Comnav site, if you don't already have it bookmarked: http://www.comnavmarine.com/

I suspect that you're looking at the model 1001. The only thing I'd caution you about stems from the potential wetness of the B31 flybridge. The selector knob of the 1001 could be an avenue for moisture into the guts of the unit. Ask your guy how water proof the seal is...

Best regards,

Patrick

Comnav AP

Re: The Speed of Light
Vic Roy -- 3 August 2000, at 9:36 a.m. EDT

Huh - I got some special they were running and got it installed free, the first 3 months at half price, and the full price, incl. tax, is $42/mo.

Vic

Re: Survey - The technical side of bertram31.com
Marshall -- 3 August 2000, at 9:35 a.m. EDT

Windows NT 4.0, 19" monitor, IE 5, frames on. I have not had any problems viewing, the only suggestion would be if the posts were moved back to the top of the list when someone replys to it. An example of this style is at the Ford Diesel web site, http://www.ford-diesel.com/

Survey - The technical side of bertram31.com
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 3 August 2000, at 9:18 a.m. EDT

On the technical side of bertram31.com...

I've been meaning to do this survey for some time, so here it is:

What operating system are you using? (Windows, Mac, Webtv, other)

Monitor size? (14", 17" etc.)

What Web Browser are you using? (Explorer, Netscape, AOL, Webtv, other)

Are you using the "Frames" or "No Frames" version of the bertram31.com site? (no frames = single page)

What problems have you had in viewing the site?

Comments or suggestions?

------- If you don't want to post your responses here, email me at bertram31@usamarine.net -------

Thanks!

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: comnav autopilots
stan -- 3 August 2000, at 9:13 a.m. EDT

Yeah, you guys are probably right, a well stocked bar is much more impressive than a color gizmo thats underappreciated by the crew to begin with. I'm going to look at the Comnav pilots today & will let you know what I think.

Re: comnav autopilots
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 3 August 2000, at 9:01 a.m. EDT

Stan,

Can't personally say about the Comnav, but since your dealer is local and he thinks, (at least through him), that support is better go for it.

Thousand bucks is a lot of dough for only the addition of color. I'd spend it else where on the boat...

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Block Island Info
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 3 August 2000, at 8:54 a.m. EDT

http://bertram31.com/block_island2000.htm
____________________________________________

For those of you who participate in this Land Mark Event, I and all of the rest of us involved with bertram31.com wish you all the best!

I encourage all participants to help me create this section of bertram31.com by submitting photos, comments, personal stories, and event descriptions. Below is a check list of suggestions:
Sending your memories to me: I anticipate a lot of responses and the amount of photos submitted could be overwhelming if sent as email attachments. Please try to send actual photographs only. It will be easier for me to select the ones that will be used here and scan them as necessary. I will do my best to use at least one photo submission from each of you.

Photos - Have your film developed with duplicate copies. (ie: Eckherd Drugs' System 2) Process for glossy prints, they scan better than mat finish. All photos submitted will become part of the bertram31.com hard copy files. They will not be returned, so send only a duplicate...

Photos - Compose your shots: Unless the background of your shot is important to the subject mater, move in as close as possible to capture the essence of the moment.

Text - Jot down important notes as they happen. Try to fill in details as soon as possible. Together with your photos, you'll be able to later capture the spirit of the moment.

Text - If at all possible, commit your comments and stories to typewritten format. I can easily scan this into a text document. You can also send via email. Typist, I'm not - Please no hand written material...
This page will be updated as necessary between now and next weekend. Hopefully, the Bertram 31 Block Island Rendezvous 2000 event will be fully documented and posted here by the end of the month.

Here's wishing you all a great weekend of meeting new friends, fair weather, loads of fun, and (to quote a famous fellow Texan), "No Hitches in your Get-Along"!

Best regards,

Patrick

bertram 31 - bertram31.com images

Block Island Rendezvous 2000

Re: Block Island Info
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 3 August 2000, at 8:48 a.m. EDT

Capy,

Absolutely! I just finished building the base page for your event, check it out at http://bertram31.com/block_island2000.htm

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Block Island Info
capy -- 3 August 2000, at 8:43 a.m. EDT

Patrick,

I posted the same link months ago.......

By the way, I have a 3D computer generated image of 24 B31s in a sunflower. Could you post it if I email it to you? Some unlucky owners who can't make block, may want to see what it would look like.

Regards,

capy

Re: comnav autopilots
mike ohlstein -- 3 August 2000, at 8:33 a.m. EDT

I"ve had a 951X for four years. It's awesome..... fast, accurate, has great support, and water is all the same color. Spend the extra units on something less flashy, like a well stocked bar.

Mike

comnav autopilots
stan -- 3 August 2000, at 8:06 a.m. EDT

Yep, still ponderin. Be that way for a while I guess. About to purchase the autopilot & a local dealer that sells simrad/robertson is steering me (no pun) toward comnav because the units are very good and the support is FAR better than robertson according to him. Anyone have any experience with their products? Also, he wants to sell me a northstar 951x chartplotter near cost. He has two in stock & since the 952x color units came out, he hasn't sold any. I want the color but is it worth the extra $1000?

Re: The Speed of Light
stan -- 3 August 2000, at 7:53 a.m. EDT

Gotta agree on that cable modem bit. Its cheap if you have the local service already for your idiot tube. The modem itself runs about 300 beans but they supply that if it's for business (the monthly cost is about 6x higher though...)

Block Island Info
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 3 August 2000, at 5:45 a.m. EDT

Starting to prepare the webpage for the Block Island Rendezvous and ran across a webpage devoted to the island and its features. Thought some of you might find it useful or interesting...

(Main URL is http://www.blockisland.com/ )

Best regards,

Patrick

bertram 31 - bertram31.com images

Block Island Marine Info Page

Re: Bertram 31 Block Island Cruise
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 3 August 2000, at 5:19 a.m. EDT

Charles,

Welcome Aboard! Time is growing short; less than two weeks. Suggest you email Paul Gozewski, (Capy), directly @ gozewski@tiac.net, if you haven't already.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Block Island- COMMITMENT!
Dug -- 2 August 2000, at 11:59 p.m. EDT

I am confirmed to be there, and will let you know more about the island tomorrow. I am tired and going to bed, but have a few ideas for some of the questions asked...

Bon soire!

Re: Bertram Recognizes BI Event...
Dug -- 2 August 2000, at 11:46 p.m. EDT

That is fantastic! I will be there definately, as the boat is finally running. We bypassed the freshwater cooling and made the manifolds raw water cooled for now. We will tinker a bit more in the fall, but at least I can break them in and enjoy the boat for now!

Dug

Re: Bertram 31 Block Island Cruise
Charles Fina -- 2 August 2000, at 11:07 p.m. EDT

I just found Bertram31.com site. I am the original owner of a 1969 Fly Bridge Cruiser. Can you give me more information about the Block Island weekend. I am very interested.

Re: Diesel 101
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 2 August 2000, at 10:07 p.m. EDT

Thanks, Phil. I got all the gauges, ignition switches, etc fnished this evening. The instrument lights even work! For me, this is an electrical miracle. Get the coolers plumbed in tomorrow, we should eb ready to light 'em up this weekend. Got a big bottle of cheap champagne left over from our wedding reception for that event, a smaller bottle of good stuff (wedding present) for the first real sea trial

Re: The Speed of Light
Vic Roy -- 2 August 2000, at 8:35 p.m. EDT

Patrick - Unless you have a free lawyer, then their bung holes contract. You do.

Vic

Re: Diesel 101
PHIL - BABYLON, N.Y. -- 2 August 2000, at 8:26 p.m. EDT

Capt Mike - It sounds like your almost home-free. We're all pulling for you! As the saying goes, "The best is yet to come!" Good luck & tight lines. - Phil

Re: The Speed of Light
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 2 August 2000, at 7:34 p.m. EDT

Uncle Vic,

Thanks! Yup, those cable modem thingies are pretty quick. My standard through the Ma' Bell copper wire circuit wheezed the attachment out in a mere 7 minutes...

Thanks for the copyright offer. I understand the mechanics and reasoning, but not sure that it is worth the effort. Once copyrighted, any infringements would have to be litigated at a cost far exceeding any potential value of the product. Limited marketability and such...

Glad you like it!

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Bertram Recognizes BI Event...
Vic Roy -- 2 August 2000, at 6:10 p.m. EDT

Save me a cap. Keep the lip gloss.

Uncle Vic

Bertram Recognizes BI Event...
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 2 August 2000, at 5:59 p.m. EDT


Hey Block Island Group!

You've been recognized by the Richard Bertram, Inc. - Best regards, Patrick
________________

Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 11:16:56 -0400
Subject: Bertram 31 Rendezvous
From: Pat Allen
To:
CC:

-- Paul -

We heard from Captain McCrary about your upcoming rendezvous of 31 owners on Block Island. Our Sales Manager, Jill Shave, thinks it's terrific that 31 owners are getting together and has arranged to have some items sent to you.

Specifically:

Bertram caps

Lip Gloss in Bertram logo cases

Six Ladies shirts (for a drawing)

Six Bertram mugs (for a drawing)

Please let us know the # of boats participating and the correct address for shipping.

Additionally, have you contacted any magazines or press regarding this? If we can help in that regard, let us know.

Your rendezvous is sure to be the first of a "tradition"!

Re: Cockpit floor
don -- 2 August 2000, at 5:52 p.m. EDT

I installed bertrams cockpit easily in two days. It fit perfectly, was shipped to me in impeccable condition with all hatches, hardware etc., the price was very reasonable, no fish boxes but an exact replacement and has held up very well for 5 years, if your trying to remain traditionally bertram its a nice deck!

The Speed of Light
Vic Roy -- 2 August 2000, at 4:53 p.m. EDT

Patrick - not to sound like a commercial for the @home internet cable service, but the huge thing you sent me yesterday downloaded (see, I can use the word in a sentence) in less than two seconds.

I love the screensaver. You need to copyright it, and I'll offer to do it for free.

Uncle Vic

Re: 31 Cockpit Sides
Richard A. Miller -- 2 August 2000, at 4:07 p.m. EDT

Thanks! I'll call this afternoon.

Re: Diesel 101
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 1 August 2000, at 10:30 p.m. EDT

Phil, makes me even more eager to sea trial mine. Should be cranking NEXT weekend (some parts didn't come in last week!).

Re: Diesel 101
PHIL - BABYLON, N.Y. -- 1 August 2000, at 9:26 p.m. EDT

PW - Chased tuna last weekend off Long Island - 140 miles (round trip) average speed 23 knots, 2150 rpm, used 80 gallons fuel - Cummins 6BTA 250HP. Very satisfied.

Re: Cockpit floor
SONNY -- 1 August 2000, at 7:32 p.m. EDT

Jeff- These guys don't know we went to the same college together at different times, me with the (real)hillbilly's and you with the (real) hillbilly's who were into rock and R.E.M..I have the Bertram decks, most likely made by glass-tech, 32 dinner units. They are very well made and a 1000% improvement over the plywood deck. I have a friend with the Crabara decks, they are theticket, especially if you get the stern baitwell and side panels with the deck. They would not sell them to me unless I brought my boat to Miami and let them install them. Times have changed. You can now buy a cockpit kit that includes engine boxes, toe holds, storage boxes, baitwell, and fishboxes. Also the steps and deck between the engines. Drops right in with a lot of work. If I had it to do over, would go that route. If you want to see the installation, come on down, the boat's in Sarasota. A good FG guy could install it in 10 days. Most important is to install good drainage. I used rigid 1' pvc and 3"X8" scups on the stern. If I had to do it over would use 1x3/4" pvc underdeck, and an enlargeing the scups to 4"x12", especially for billfishing.

Re: Cockpit floor
mike ohlstein -- 1 August 2000, at 6:52 p.m. EDT

sorry...

www.cabrerascustomized.com

Re: Cockpit floor
mike ohlstein -- 1 August 2000, at 6:50 p.m. EDT

Fiberglass, oversized rudders, prop tunnels, etc.

http://www.cabrerascustomized

Re: 31 Cockpit Sides
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 1 August 2000, at 6:38 p.m. EDT

Richard,

Call Sunray Plastics @ 561.844.7722, (Riviera Beach, FL), and ask for either Mike Jr. or Sr.

Tell 'em I sent you and ask for a sample of the 6mm stock, preferably at least a foot square. Should be free, but if not tell them to bill it to me... (Free sample might be smaller than that, but at least get a 3"X8" which will fit in a standard legal envelope).

Any problem, call me 561.848.3366

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: You Think That's Dumb?
Stan -- 1 August 2000, at 6:28 p.m. EDT

Welcome Bill, and for some reason we get no sympathy from the significant others. They haven't a clue to the grief such a situation causes us floaters. That LT-1 engine is nice even if it is in a boat. 360hp, 11:1 pistons, pink rods, 2.02 heads, 4 bolt mains, etc. I have a 396, 402 & 427 & only the 427 is in use ('66 chevy caprice), used to toy with them when I had the time & now that I have the money, I wisely, I think, choose to cart it off to the waters edge & dump it in... What's wrong with the Donzi?

Re: You Think That's Dumb?
Vic Roy -- 1 August 2000, at 5:45 p.m. EDT

Bill - you qualify. Don't matter how good the engine is, as long as it don't run. I have about 10 outboards in my shop that don't run, and I love them all, and have plans to fix them someday. Some old as me.

Vic

Re: Cockpit floor
Vic Roy -- 1 August 2000, at 5:41 p.m. EDT

Bring guns. Knowing the folks in your neck of the woods, ya'll better sneak out the side door. Word get out ya'll got that kind of cush, they gonna be lined up in front of your house.

Reminds me of the time about 30 years ago I got appointed by a federal judge (work for free) to represent this bank robber. Not the smartest bank robber around; took some of the 250 Kilounits he got (an extraordinary amount for a bank robbery, usually about 5 k) and bought a new Mustang with cash, some of it "bait money" where the serial numbers have been recorded. So the FBI nailed the guy two days later. I cut him a deal to do less than 99 years if he would give the rest of the money back. He had buried in a old chicken coop up in north La. and he gave me the directions, so me and the FBI went to get it. Big deal involving airplanes, cop cars, etc in the middle of the night in the rain. Dug up the loot, and on the way back to twon the old deputy driving the car I was in said "Word of this get out and they won't be a goddam chicken coop standing in Winn Parish".

But do buy the pretty lady a rock, son, it will get you more fishing time.

Uncle Vic

Re: Cockpit floor
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 1 August 2000, at 5:02 p.m. EDT

Jeff,

Send me some photos. I'll add 'em to your page. Not often a guy gets a hundred Gs stuffed into his hand for having fun on B31...

Brest regards,

Patrick

Re: Cockpit floor
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 1 August 2000, at 4:56 p.m. EDT

Russ,

Check the "Links Page", it there.

Best regards,

Patick

Re: Cockpit floor
Jeff -- 1 August 2000, at 4:52 p.m. EDT

Russ, check the links sections here in the B31 website. Thanks, Uncle Vic, that's what I wanted, someone who had used any of these and were satisfied. Trying real hard to spend all those units before wives start sniffing around and wantin rocks and such nonsense! My wife has already put in a claim for her share, and funny thing is, I don't remember her being on the boat. We get our big prize this Saturday nite, supposed to have media, big presentation check, professional photographer, etc. I hope I can remember the presentation come Sunday morning. Also hope we don't act too much like the south GA rednecks we is!

Re: Cockpit floor
russ -- 1 August 2000, at 4:23 p.m. EDT

vic,what's glasstech's web site address...thanks russ

Re: You Think That's Dumb?
Vic Roy -- 1 August 2000, at 4:08 p.m. EDT

Stan - yeah, mail the tape to me a 2355 Drusilla Lane, BR 70809, or if you want, call 800 260 9908 and ask my paralegal, Sybil, for our FedEx number and send it that way. Notice how I didn't put my FedEx number up on the board, Sonny.

Stan, I have 9 boats right now, including the Wanna-Be Reef, which is getting a new bottom as we speak. The reason I have 9 boats is I sold one recently.

I gotta get some stills off the 450 tape to show these guys whast real fish look like.

Vic, the broke

Re: You Think That's Dumb?
Bill M. -- 1 August 2000, at 4:06 p.m. EDT

Stan,

Do I qualify;1)31SF-no run 2)16 Baby Donzi-no run 3)6ft.Zodiac-no run

P.S.The donzi does have a '1971 1/2 Corvette LT1 engine,110hr..

Bill M

Re: Cockpit floor
Vic Roy -- 1 August 2000, at 4:02 p.m. EDT

I have the Glasstech deck, been in heavy use for 7 years. Bulletproof. No cracks, no chips, no nothin' - in my opinion, the best. And, they are a pretty big company, locasted next door to the Bertram factory in Miami, family owned, and put on a really nice exhibit at the Miami show each year. Point is - they have been doing this for 20 years, and know the B31 inside and out.

Vic

Re: Cockpit floor
Bill M. -- 1 August 2000, at 3:56 p.m. EDT

Jeff,

I have the deck from Glasstech,it is not installed,but fits up very well and is very well made.If you go with a glass deck,take a look at the rear soport shelf and a possible modification to the teak finish piece.I believe I have seen an alternative offered,can't recall where.

Luck,Bill M

Re: Cockpit floor
mike ohlstein -- 1 August 2000, at 3:25 p.m. EDT

I haven't seen any of them, but also check out Cabrera & Sons in Florida. They make some beautiful stuff. If you run your exhausts back one stringer section outboard of the origonal location you will make room for their built in fish boxes too.

Mike

Cockpit floor
Jeff -- 1 August 2000, at 2:53 p.m. EDT

We are going to be installing a genny in a few weeks, and might end up pulling the floor up to run the exhaust back to the transom. If we do, we are going to replace the wood floor with f/g.
There is Glasstech (FL), Intense Detail & Marine
(NC, 3200 plus shipping,etc), Contemporary Fiberglass (Jacksonville, FL $3500), and Bertram.
Without having seen any of these, any comments on looks, quality, and/or price between those listed?

Re: 31 Cockpit Sides
Richard A. Miller -- 1 August 2000, at 2:22 p.m. EDT

Maybe the sample I got had a less rugged finish than the product you're talking about. As you know, I'm a great believer in not adding unnecssary weight to these boats. Where do you recommend I get a sample from? Mine came from somewhere in the Mid-West, as I recall.

Re: You Think That's Dumb?
Stan -- 1 August 2000, at 2:15 p.m. EDT

Hey now, that's a good blood letting. Have one copy here at the office and another copy for Snow back at the house. Gotta gotta get up and amungst a big blue right yonder outside the mouth of the muddy. I could mail the tapes if you wanted, let me know. Howz the "floating reef" doing? My 23ftr has a scar on a cylinder & my 16ftr has a (found it this morning in Lake Ponchatrain) 6" crack in the hull... wonder'd why I had that sinkin feelin. So the moral of the story is "is havin three boats that don't run better than havin just one that does?" Save me Bert.

Re: You Think That's Dumb?
Vic Roy -- 1 August 2000, at 12:14 p.m. EDT

Stan - what happened to the video of the 450 beating the crap outta Bob and Lyman?

Vic

Re: You Think That's Dumb?
Stan -- 1 August 2000, at 11:51 a.m. EDT

Have myself on VIDEO getting B__ch slapped across the forehead by my own spear shaft. Damn grouper decided he didn't like getting "helped" out of the water after he bit on five feet of 3/8ths spring steel, I was climbing up the back of the boat & WHACK - WHACK picture perfect, nice scar to boot. DOUGH! "somebody hand me the duct tape?"

Re: You Think That's Dumb?
capy -- 1 August 2000, at 10:09 a.m. EDT

My two cents,

About 10 years ago on my first bluefin tuna trip on my 24 foot Stamas, heading out at 3:45 am, pitch black, no moon, haze and condensation on every part of the boat, including the windshield.
Me and my mate Danny B.,continue on near blind from the foggy windshield towards the merrimack river inlet(deadly is appropriate). I get the bright idea to open the bottom front vent windows on the windshield to dry up our view. The windows clear up just in time for us to see a ten foot breaker heading straight for us......wave hits boat, vent windows are ripped of the frame and deposited into the cockpit, several thousand gallons of green water flow through vent openings and nearly wash me dan into the sea. The boat stayed afloat and kept running even though water was up to the valve covers of the 351, every thing in the cabin was waterlogged, and dan and I were in the cockpit with the vent windows and tackle. got a 9/0 gamakatsu stuck in my fore arm which I pulled out the hard way.

Regards,

capy

Re: You Think That's Dumb?
SONNY -- 1 August 2000, at 1:49 a.m. EDT

I guess I have to tell my story even though it's not as wild as some of the above. About ten years ago there were eight of us (co-ed) on my old boat fishing the FL West Coast Billfish Tournament. It was about 4pm on the second day of a three day safari about 150 ktm west of St Pete. We had 6 lines in the water and dragging them 12 kts in flat calm seas. Had not seen a fish all day! I decided to do a wizz off the stern. Everyone was hiding in the air cond. in the cabin. My hired mate was handling the wheel. While doing my thing off the back end, I was admiring the action of the black and orange duber we had on the short flat line. About then ( I'm not lying) a near grander exploded on that flat line. The mate, as instructed, firewalled the throttles. There I was, soken wet fron the strike, line screaming by my ear, black smoke in my face and hanging onto the coverboard for dear life. Everybody bailed out of the cabin, took stations as the boat stopped. I was then running around barking orders to get whose turn it was in the seat. To make what has become a long story shorter, the 80W was about stripped, the fish jumped on the horizon and was gone (bill wrapped). While I was hollern and cussin one of my guest asked me, while pointing and just loud enough for everyone to hear " Sonny, whats that thing there you have in your right hand, you weren't going to gaff him with it, were you ?"

Avoiding the dreaded "Grinding FG Itch"
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 31 July 2000, at 10:25 p.m. EDT

Just posted this on another board, thought some of ya'll might benefit from it too...

------- http://boatbuilding.com/cgibin/forum.cgi?read=7454 -------

In reading Don Dando's post, (http://boatbuilding.com/cgibin/forum.cgi?read=7394), I noticed his reference to "...you'll be busy scratching instead of sleeping."

Many of you already know the misery associated with microscopic particles of fiberglass dust once it's imbedded into your pores. For those who haven't had this pleasure yet, believe me when I say it's pure hell. Bad enough if you sleep alone, but when you contaminate the sheets -AND- your significant other, there's all hell to pay!

For those of you who have future fiberglass grinding to do, here's a few of hints to make life more bearable:

1. --BEFORE-- you start grinding, rub down with talc. Talcum powder from the drug store is damn expensive, (about $10-$12 a pound). Buy from a fiberglass supplier, (around 50¢ a pound). Same stuff, just no perfume or corn starch. Hell, you don't want smell like a baby anyway... What this does is pre-plug those pores with something that doesn't itch!

2. Invest in, and use, full zip-up disposable jump suits. They allow your skin to breathe, but block the fiberglass dust. Add a knit jersey head sock to keep it out of your hair.

3. Clean up outside. Use a garden hose, let the water run until cold before rinsing down. Get out of contaminated clothing before coming into the house.

4. Do not stop, do not collect $200, go straight to the shower. --Do Not-- shower in hot, or even warm water. This just opens the pores. Take a cold shower. (Sissies can add a little hot water to the mix, but just enough so that your privates don't look like a starter button on a Model T Ford.) You can bring on the hot water --After-- you've rinsed away any remaining fiberglass dust. Notice that I said "rinsed". Don't lather up and start going after it with a wash cloth. You'll just rub any dust in.

Do all of this and you'll love yourself. Any significant others won't be kicking your scratchy butt outta' bed in the middle of the night.

Regards,

Patrick

Re: Cock Pit Do-Dads and Hood Ornaments...
Vic Roy -- 31 July 2000, at 10:17 p.m. EDT

Patrick - Jamie is a rare lucky man. very few guys have a wife and a boat that good locking. I'm in the same league, since my bride of 34 years is quite a looker herself. But my 31 don't look as good as his.

Always someone out there you can aspire to emulate. One of the lessons of life.

I bet all the guys that own 31's could get together, pool resources, and own the world. We be smart.

Vic

Re: You Think That's Dumb?
Vic Roy -- 31 July 2000, at 10:03 p.m. EDT

Mikey and Mikey - this could go on forever. Like the time Capt. Brent - then about 11, reared back to make a long cast and hooked his little sister, Jennifer in the forehead with a jighead. She still wears his ass out about it 20 years later. Or the time I grabbed the 250 lb blue marlin by the bill and decided I was Atlas, and it kicked my ass, came up on his tail, and slapped me under the throat with the side of his bill. Carry the scar to this day. Tell folks in Europe it is a dueling scar. Or the time - 35 or so years ago, on a party charter boat out of Fourchon, La - we had a school of cobia (us coonasses call them lemonfish) up around the boat, and the capt, a guy named Charlie Hardison, free gaffed one about 90 lbs, lifted it over the side, got it between him and the gunnel, and it flipped and broke his hip. Big time broke it. We are invincible.

Vic

Cock Pit Do-Dads and Hood Ornaments...
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 31 July 2000, at 9:55 p.m. EDT

Uncle Vic,

That good lookin' do-dad in the cockpit, ("Double Mac"), is Jamie MacGregor's better half. I may do the next screen saver around Cappy's Rendezous...

Best regards,

Patrick

bertram 31 - bertram31.com images

"Double Mac"

Re: You Think That's Dumb?
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 31 July 2000, at 9:15 p.m. EDT

I had a treble from a Giant Trembler in my leg, just above the knee - with a 25 pound king mackerel on the other hook. Nothing on board the friend's boat to cut the barb with, so he had to cut the hook out with a dull knife. Strange, but I used the same disinfectant as Vic, administered internally, also.

Re: the screen saver
Vic Roy -- 31 July 2000, at 8:44 p.m. EDT

Patrick - I did it by clicking all over the place and then it just did it. I could not do it again in a zillion years. Don't understand the glossary. But, shucks, results are what count. Anyway, the screensaver is a wonderful peice of work, and I'm enjoying it. Maybe want to modify it to do a close up on the hood ornament in the cockpit of the whatever 31.

Sonny - you be dead, or you just hiding?

Uncle Vic

Re: the screen saver
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 31 July 2000, at 8:27 p.m. EDT

Uncle Vic,

Glad you got it loaded! Just took some figgerin' out to help you skin a "cyber cat"... Thanks for the great plug too! Maybe "both" is pretty close to the mark... I'm not quite a Card Carring Geek, just Irritatingly knowledgeable... {GG}

Best regards,

Patrick

Screen Saver

the screen saver
Vic Roy -- 31 July 2000, at 7:03 p.m. EDT

Capt. Patrick - it worked! Geeeeezeee. It is awesome! I watched the whole thing. You are an artist!

All right, fellow Kool-Aid sippers, send the man a little money for doing this. That is an order. If you are short, call me at 1 800 260 9908 or private email me, and I'll front in total confidence for you. Not You, Sonny.

Patrick, you must have spent a week on that screen saver, or you a lot faster than I think. Maybe both.

I'm going to email it to my office and replace the girl Sonny sent with the B31 saver. What a world, what a life!!

Uncle Vic, the amazeed

Block Island
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 31 July 2000, at 5:31 p.m. EDT

I know I shouldn't need to remind anyone, but all of you who wind up at the Block Island meet be sure to get double prints of all those great photos you're going to take. I'm looking forward to posting a multiple page section just for the event.

Also don't forget to add the necessary words to accompany the photos!

Cappy, get someone appointed to be the "Tribe Scribe"...

Fred, if you can pull off that aerial shot, send me an 8X10, I'll reimburse you.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Block Island- COMMITMENT!
capy -- 31 July 2000, at 4:21 p.m. EDT

mike,

I think some will bound to be there, as 30 boats are supposed to go! I cannot stay for three nights and was originally booked for two, if they would let me stay for two I would stay at champlins. Paines does not take reservations, so I am "winging it".

regards,

capy

Re: You Think That's Dumb?
mike ohlstein -- 31 July 2000, at 3:50 p.m. EDT

Bolt cutters, hmmmmm. Mikey needs a new tool.

Re: Block Island- COMMITMENT!
mike ohlstein -- 31 July 2000, at 3:38 p.m. EDT

Champlins has cashed my check for a two day stay, (just dockage, not hotel). Will anyone else be there? Should I cancel and go to Paines?
Mike

Re: You Think That's Dumb?
Vic Roy -- 31 July 2000, at 3:22 p.m. EDT

Mike - you sure right about that. I managed to put a big s.s. double hook from a Halco thru my hand a few years ago while trying to unhook a big YFT. Capt. Brent had seen a trick on TV where you pull it out backwards with a piece of mono, and it worked. Kept on fishing, but sterilized it internally with a fifth of JD Black Label. Never felt a thing. Made a little plaque and have the hook hanging on my wall in the office, in fact, looking at it right now. Reminds me dumb is pervasive. I had to cut a gaff out of the leg of a deck nand once with the bolt cutters I always keep on the 31. Guy was a 12-stepper until that. Fell off big time.

Wish I could figure out how to make it to Block Island. Don't count me out yet, but does not look doo-able.

Vic

Bert Eagles - Russ & Wayne
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 31 July 2000, at 3:21 p.m. EDT

Russ and Wayne,

Russ, since you asked, (and I responded), first I'll give you first refusal. My set will be $125 + shipping, (2 lbs). I can be reached at 561.848.3366. The image below is actual size, 8 5/8" w, approx 4" h

Wayne, if Russ doesn't want them, you're next in line...

Richard Sabatini in Raleigh N.C. does all of the castings for Bertram, (then and now..)

He sells the SS Eagles for $98.02 each, the chrome "Bertram" letters for $37.40 each, & the chrome "31" for $15.52 each. (Just over $300.00 for a full set)

Richard's info is:

Richard Sabatini
2813 Combe Hill Trail
Raleigh, NC 27613
919.845.7119 phone/fax

Best regards,

Patrick

bertram 31 - bertram31.com images

Re: Block Island- COMMITMENT!
capy -- 31 July 2000, at 3:11 p.m. EDT

Everyone,

Fred raises some good points....but as I've said before on this board regardless of who else goes, capy will be at block on friday afternoon, and anchored in the great salt pond on saturday. I was firmly committed to champlins until they called me and told me I would lose my two night reservation if I did not add a third, I then promptly cancelled my reservation. I will be arriving on friday afternoon and will grab aslip at paines dock. Hopefully enough of you B31'ers will get there by saturday afternoon so that we may make a sunflower of anchored B31's. I calaculate that we need at least 20 to pull it off!

Regards,

capy

Re: TUNA
russ -- 31 July 2000, at 3:04 p.m. EDT

Patrick,how much for the ss casting ....russ

Re: TUNA
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 31 July 2000, at 2:53 p.m. EDT

Mike,

Just talked to Richard Kidd. He said the the ones with the lettering were cast in pot metal. Check your's out and if that's the case, be careful trying to re-chrome. It can be done but needs to go to a plater who knows his stuff.

Best regards,

Patrick

Block Island- COMMITMENT!
Fred and Karen Greis -- 31 July 2000, at 2:36 p.m. EDT

I have read all of the postings re: the weekend With no sure feel from the group on one place to stay, we've never been to Block before, and were going to stay at Champlins until I got the feeling from some of the postings that the units might scare some of us away so here goes.... Unless someone takes a better lead, The "Kar-Fre" will plant the B31 flag at Paines sometime Friday afternoon.I just spoke to Cliff Paine and he says even though it's first come/serve, up to Saturday noonish should be OK for 31's. Please call him ahead (401)466-2631, and he'll try to put us all together.We're out of East Moriches, so if any one would like to meet up with us here, Shinnecock, Montaulk, and travel together, please e-mail me with a number to reach you at and I'll e-mail mine back. It would be helpfull if someone could post a heading like "Block Island directions" with some chart info and local waters knowledge for those of us making the first trip.We'll bring a still and 8mm movie camera. Could someone take charge of making some sort of dinner plans for Saturday for a group if anyone is interested? Where's the closest place to get a good breakfast via walking/bike/taxi? There's an ambitious idea. How bout a B31Bike tour of the Island? Even better, How bout a Sunday morning raft up before we leave and see about a photo. I'll contact the chamber of commerce and see if we can find a guy with a plane and camera to take a shot. If so, we'd need to set a time and place for all of us to raft up. I'm not trying to organize anything here folks, just throwing out ideas. Do post your commitments/thoughts under this string, so we have one place to go for the update. I'll send out an e-mail to all the B31's on my local list to check in here if there going. Can't wait to meet all of you and have the six figure club look my boat over and re-establish my priorities. -out- PS. Thanks Capy for getting this thing going, and posting all the links-very helpfull.

You Think That's Dumb?
mike ohlstein -- 31 July 2000, at 12:31 p.m. EDT

Don't feel too bad Vic. Two weeks ago a guy who was fishing up here in the North East had to be heliported to shore from the Hudson Cannon. Seems this particular fellow decided to subdue a YFT with the wrong end of the gaff. Get the point? He did,...right through the lung. The truth is stupider than ficton.

Mike

Re: TUNA
Wayne -- 31 July 2000, at 10:47 a.m. EDT

Pat I need a pair mine are the pl;astic ones ...how much

Re: all cummings owners
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 31 July 2000, at 10:20 a.m. EDT

Makes me a little glad not to be using the Cummins gauge set. Just replaced all my gauges and sending units, using Teleflex HD gauges. These have a stainless rim and look really nice in the Bertram stainless instrument panel.

Re: TUNA
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 31 July 2000, at 10:15 a.m. EDT

Patrick, mine look like your photo, except there is a "Bertram" included under the bird and the "V". Took mine off to cleam while painting, and the E fell out of Bertram, but I think I can fix it.

Re: TUNA
russ -- 31 July 2000, at 9:37 a.m. EDT

Pat they look good are standard size? can you give your land line number. or email me thanks....russ

Re: TUNA/emblems
russ -- 31 July 2000, at 9:34 a.m. EDT

thanks graig i have to see which type i have on the boat, capt. has a pair of s/s that if they fit would look good on the boat. will stay in thouch. thanks russ

Re: TUNA/emblems
CRAIG -- 31 July 2000, at 9:29 a.m. EDT

i have a set-i don't know how to send picture but i am close you-they are metal with a black painted outline -i live in bellmore--e-mail me dirrect if your interested.

Re: TUNA
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 31 July 2000, at 9:09 a.m. EDT

Russ,

Is this the casting that you're looking for? Stainless steel?

Best regards,

Patrick

bertram 31 - bertram31.com images

Re: TUNA
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 31 July 2000, at 8:31 a.m. EDT

Russ,

I also have a pair of the eagles that were polished and re-chromed. Will email you directly.

Opppsss.... I'd first thought that they were chrome over bronze, but in speaking to Richard Kidd, the originals were SS. (For a short period they'd made them of plastic, but that didn't fly...) See my next post for an image.

Best regards,

Patrick

TUNA
russ -- 31 July 2000, at 7:35 a.m. EDT

good morning, it's monday. fished the babylon tuna tournament on my buddy's 35 ocean,didn't win but put 9 long fin and 1 yellow in the cooler love the taste of yellow fin.uncle vic wish your daddy a happy birthday for me mine is 87 and still plays golf and bikes to old to pull tuna.Capt.Pat do you know where i can get new or refurbished eagels for my 31. thanks russ

Re: Wireing for a 31 fbc 1982
craig santamaria -- 30 July 2000, at 10:01 p.m. EDT

THANKS FOR THE INSIGHT . I SHOULD HAVE MY BOAT BACK SOON FROM THE FLOOR WK I'VE BEEN STUDYING A COUPLE RECCOMENDED MARINE WIREING BOOKS.I WILL PROBRABLY UPGRADE THE FACTORY PANEL IF YOU CAN CALL IT THAT ...LOOKS MORE LIKE A SUB PANEL FOR A HOUSE.

Re: CABO CRACKED IN CABO
Vic Roy -- 30 July 2000, at 9:59 p.m. EDT

Mike - hurts big time. I used to keep a alum softball bat on the boat to bash the YF's with, and some of the bigger dolphin. One time I had a 100 plus YF banging around the cockpit and went after him with the bat. He was slinging blood and guts all over the place, and one of my crew was washing down when I went after him. Hit him once pretty good on the head, and then the second swing - a really hard one - I slipped and hit myself in the shin with the bat. Had to break out the emergency bottle of Jack D. Black Label. Kept on fishing, but my shin turned black,and swole up the size of a football. Two days later x-rays showed I broke my own leg. Middle on the list of Dumb Things Uncle Vic Has Done on the 31. The hook in the hand one will wait for another day.

Keep the Faith.

Vic

Re: all cummings owners
Vic Roy -- 30 July 2000, at 9:49 p.m. EDT

Will - have had the same thing happen with my cummins panels - the alarms will go off, but the gagues will be o.k., but on the other hand, it helps to turn the key on and off a few times, and spray some contact cleaner in the keys, 'cause sometimes the oil press will read low, or the temp hi when there is nothing wrong. It is annoying, but I have got to the point that if I don't perceive something running hot by objective means, such as steam, or noise, and the oil pressure is pretty much a function of if it ain't leaking, ahs oil in it, it gonna run or break fast, and if it's gonna break, it will give you warnings, such as smell, low rpm, and noise.

But the gague set and the chip-driven panel, is not friendly for the 31 bridge that is out in the weather.

Vic

Re: CABO CRACKED IN CABO
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 30 July 2000, at 8:51 p.m. EDT

Vic, I think I hold the distinction of being the only man ever attacked and injured by a yellowfin. I was standing over a 120 lber in the cockpit of a 45 Hat, the owner wanted a picture from the bridge. While I was posing, the damn tuna jackknifed off the deck and hit me in the crouch with the hard section just above the tail! The next several pictures showed me on the deck, writhing alonside the fish! I never did get those negatives.

all cummings owners
Will -- 30 July 2000, at 5:37 p.m. EDT

i just got back from a tournament and our first day out just after sunrise the engine alarms started going off but all the gauges were reading just fine. oil was a little low on the port so we disided not to risk it. we went back to the dock on one moter and called tom oakes who said the alrm pannels on the bridge are very moister sensitive. we sprayed them with some electronic cleaner and that was it. this really stunk to turn around for no reason like that and thought it might help some people.

Re: CABO CRACKED IN CABO
Vic Roy -- 30 July 2000, at 5:05 p.m. EDT

Hey Wayne - I've had yellowfins come thru the side of the cooler - in fact the 180 Rubbermaid on my 31 has a lot of f.g. and resin on it now - but not break the boat. I saw a new-ish Cabo 31, with no flybridge or tower, for sale for 289 Kilounits. For folks with mo' money than sense.

I scanned the traderonline boat section for 31's today, and there are some new ones on there. Some in the 150-180 range. Now we makin' money, boys!

Fixin' to head across town to my dad's 90th birthday party at one of my sis's. He's in good shape and it should be a hoot. I think I'm old. . . .

Uncle Vic, the spry.

CABO CRACKED IN CABO
Wayne -- 30 July 2000, at 4:55 p.m. EDT

CABO cracked in Cabo This morning on a radio show " lets talk hook-up" a caller said after landing a 280# y fin the fish pounded the deck so hard a hair line crack in a C A B O sportfisher developed wonder if its guaranteecido...

Re: general living in today's world
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 30 July 2000, at 9:22 a.m. EDT

Vic, actually, I just cleaned up my emblems, but I do know a guy with a 64 express who had just asked me about lettering yesterday afternoon. However, - I did spend some time yesterday painting the cabin top and sides, need to do the fore and side decks next. Got the transmission coolers yesterday, and at least one tach. Hooked up batteries to engines, will be running wires to the ignitions this morning, then maybe work on oil pressure gauges. I lived on my 31, at least on weekends but sometimes for a week or two, for 3 years, so I believe Capt. Bret will be alright. On the shape of the world, I thought at my age and with my experience (mostly bad!) in life that things would slow down and ease up. Then I remarry to a woman with 3 rotten kids and an idiot for an ex-husband, and it gets more complicated than ever. The boat keeps me from eatin' a gun barrel for now - and when I can untie and head out the jetties, I think I'll be alright.

Re: Getting close, now the bottom
Carlos Sucre -- 30 July 2000, at 12:25 a.m. EDT

SONNY
After repairing few blisters with West system I put several coats of Interprotect 2000 4 years ago. Looking good so far no new blisters
Carlos

Re: general living in today's world
stan -- 29 July 2000, at 11:25 p.m. EDT

90?! He must have had you when he was young! AHHHH, just kidding. All my damn "buddies" are blowin bubbles (or fightin over life jackets) this weekend so I've been lonely at the yard. Tinkered today, between squals. So close yet so far. Went as far as gussy'en up the bilge of all thangs. Knocked off an hour early & threw some plastic in the industrial canal & procured a five pound puppy redfish for suppa. What to do, what to do. Uncle Vic, lemmy know if you need a little cane syrup & chewin tobacco to fix that barge of yours, don't want Capt. Brent to get to likin hootchin down on your 31, I feel the need, the need for speed, like 900yds of mono burnin horizontal. over.

Re: general living in today's world
Vic Roy -- 29 July 2000, at 10:43 p.m. EDT

Mike - you can't afford them, remember. Yo boat ain't running yet. Get the mech. done before you you start dollin' her up. You like my son, the rich and famous Capt. Brent - if it looks good, it runs.

Teasing you, obviously. Capt. Brent had a little come-down latly - his home (my Sinking Houseboat) is on the bank, and he is living on my 31, taking showers on the dock. A/C works, and the head, so I guess that's about 99 percent of living on the water in Louisiana this time of year.

I have had a come to Jesus on this whole deal - time to put the Sinking Houseboat back together, spend a few Units doing that, and then - - - Uncle Vic gotta go spend some time on it, or Put the .44 Mag. in his mouth. Bluntly Put. The world is oblong.

Good news is tomorrow nite we are having my dad's 90th birthday party at one of my sis's house. That is neat.

Vic

Re: lettering
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 29 July 2000, at 10:00 p.m. EDT

Patrick, if Steve doesn't want them, I know someone who might - how much?

Re: lettering
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 29 July 2000, at 9:18 p.m. EDT

Steve,

I've got a pair in mint condition, new chrome. Email me...

Best regards,

Patrick

lettering
steve -- 29 July 2000, at 8:00 p.m. EDT

The 1 in the Bertram 31 lettering on the side of my 1980 31 is shot. Does anyone know if these can be replaced?

Re: Soundings
Marshall -- 29 July 2000, at 11:18 a.m. EDT

Try http://www.soundingsonline.com/ although their online archeive only goes back to October of '99. They should still have back issues from '98 that can be purchased.

Soundings
Bonnie Kaster -- 29 July 2000, at 10:56 a.m. EDT

I am currently researching the Bertram 31 for my brother who has purchased and restored same. He is looking for a copy of the "Soundings, Great Lakes Edition" for August of 1998. Is "Soundings" still in print. How might I contact them?
Thanking you in advance,
Bonnie Kaster
Library Media Specialist
bonniek@gateway.net

Re: bottom line not just the bottom
Peter Fallon -- 28 July 2000, at 9:56 a.m. EDT

correction on the zip code for patrick. 33404

Re: bottom line not just the bottom
Peter Fallon -- 28 July 2000, at 9:52 a.m. EDT

The adress for Patrick.

Capt.Patrick McCrary
3640 Investment Lane Suite 15
West Palm Beach, FL.333404

Re: Getting close, now the bottom
Vic Roy -- 28 July 2000, at 8:22 a.m. EDT

Let me look at the lawyer-dribble calendar when I get to the office. I'll set something up.

Vic

Re: Wireing for a 31 fbc 1982
Ric -- 28 July 2000, at 8:20 a.m. EDT

Craig.,.,.,uncle vic is right on point with his suggestion and practical application, 20K wow that had to be right down to the bonding strap in the bilge.,and then max everything out I mean everything for that kinda dough.,.I guess it depends on what you want to accomplish, its obvious to me that the factory panel leaves you very little options to do anything in the way of upgrading, ac, stove,etc even to put in a genset.,your looking at some kinda secondary sub panel.,.,I ripped every wire stacon and bond out
and started new evrything.,.my boat was gutted and open.,., in order to do the things i wanted to do i cant see the boat being together, it sounds like your boat is together and in "great running condition" so a complete rewire,,does not sound to feasible.,I mean your talking overheads .,low voltage d.c halogen.,.,v/berth the same.,. gensets, inverters, fridge, stoves, a.c. all the goodies
and that type of redo does not lend itself to a boat in "great running condition".,.,cause i would be running it to death rather than ripping it all apart.,.nobody but you knows exactly what you want and what you need to be comfortable.,.,its a lot of work.,,but i'm sure you realize already that it is worth it.the factory panel was 9 by 11,.,.,.my panel is 9 by 17 with 12 d.c. circuts .,6 a.c. circuits in the same location as the factory.,.,and that was a trick in and of itself ,.,If you need any help or suggestions, i would be glad to chip in
uncle vic i see mike wants to come over in Sept for a little action.,count me in

Ric.

Re: bottom line not just the bottom
Vic Roy -- 28 July 2000, at 7:41 a.m. EDT

Ditto. Someone post the address.

Vic

Re: Getting close, now the bottom
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 28 July 2000, at 6:43 a.m. EDT

Vic, I've saved some vacation time to visit you in September, maybe. I could take a Friday and Monday to stretch it out. What'a a good date? I should have mine at least running by then, will still have a lot of little things to button up.

bottom line not just the bottom
Peter Fallon -- 28 July 2000, at 1:04 a.m. EDT

To everyone on the bertram 31 web page.Our site is free,but it still costs to operate.Anyone who has downloaded the screen saver(48 so far since last saturday with one response)that hasn't sent Capt.Patrick a check yet do it asap.He spends a lot of time and money to keep this site going out of his own pocket. I know that it takes a lot of units to run and maintain a 31 bertram, but to support the web and all the info that we reap from this site is worth a few units.I don't want to go back to the old way of getting info on our boats(which was almost impossible)so help him out.That's the bottom line

Re: Getting close, now the bottom
ken -- 27 July 2000, at 9:49 p.m. EDT

Sonny, iI bought West System epoxy resin and mixed it with the aluminum powder. Then brushed on and rollered about eight coats,about five gallons worth. Bonds really well and very durable, have not seen any blisters or pimples since. Then just paint with bottom paint of your choice. KEN

Re: Getting close, now the bottom
Vic Roy -- 27 July 2000, at 9:44 p.m. EDT

Sonny - great news that you are getting close to splahing. I would suggest that you use 3/16 mild steel plate on the bottom, and then blast it and coat with two part epoxy coal tar. Then, pour about 6 inches of high strength concrete on the inside, coat that, and you are ready to, to, to, -
Sorry, Sonny, I got the wrong boat - I was talking about the Sinking Houseboat.

What the hell you doing to your 31? I just thought you were painting her? You gotta be richer than I thought. With ex-wives(?) to boot. I had a (ex) law partner once that got married so many times we printed some bumber stickers for his latest stag party that read: "Honk If You Have Never Been Married To Mike ____" Did not get a lot of honks.

Uncle Vic has taken some action in the last couple of days that may free up his time a little. I need to go catch another blue marlin in the worst kind of way. Right, Stan? Had to put up with some stuff that my coonass phyche wanted to handle another way, but would land me in jail. Someday I will tell you guys about it.

Uncle Vic

Getting close, now the bottom
SONNY -- 27 July 2000, at 8:47 p.m. EDT

Getting ready for the launch in three weeks. Sanded the bottom down to bare glass ( "what a job!" And someone else did it.). Any suggestions on primers and paint? If I can keep him sober have Awlgrip capabilities. Sonny

Thanks, Don Cantor !!
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 27 July 2000, at 3:28 p.m. EDT

Don & Dianne,

Thank you for your kind donation to the B31 Website Cause!

I received your note, check, and brochure for Great Oak Manor B&B on the Chesapeake Bay this afternoon. It's refreshing to know that the honor system just might work.

It's rare that I'm on your piece of the water but will surely stop in if I ever find myself there. Be sure to send me a photo of "Making Memories II" so I can get you onto the Images Page.

Your generous donation also deserves the addition of your website link on the Links Page.

Best regards,

Patrick

bertram 31 - bertram31.com images

Great Oak Manor - a year round destination

Re: Wireing for a 31 fbc 1982
chuck k -- 26 July 2000, at 8:17 p.m. EDT

Bill
If you don't use tinned wire your backing up.chuck

Re: Diesel 101
Vic Roy -- 26 July 2000, at 8:09 p.m. EDT

Capy - I think the B31 with the 3208 is a concrete block solid combo, and the guy I bought mine from had one before with 3208N's at 210 hp, and I fished it a lot. The weight is so high that it is awesome in a head sea. Downside is there is no room for nothin' other than the Cat iron. I understand (from unknow sources, maybe I dreamed it up, or looked at one at the Miami show after having too many drinks with umbrellas in them) that the higher hp 3208's are too wide for the 31.

I would go with the inline 6's, such as the Cummins 6bta, the Cat 3116, and the others.

Uncle Vic

Re: General Questions
Vic Roy -- 26 July 2000, at 7:55 p.m. EDT

I'm back from San Diego, and I'm pissed. Can't tell you guys on the site, but I've told several of you in private e-mails. Pleade don't post what I said, 'cause it's real serious. Having a LARGE clear right now, and ready to forget a disgusting situation. All in a day's work has it's limits.

Anyhoo - I put Harco (?) spreader lights on my half tower, 120 vac, two of them, 500 w., and they require the wearing of sunscreen at the transom. Big Time Bright. Sort of cheap construction, but all anodized and stainless, and have lastet 5 years. Use the std. 500 w. halogen bulbs you can get at Home Depot ro the hardware store for 5-7 USD.

Don't worry about the GPS antenna being that close. both of mine are closer than that to the radar antenna, and no problem. Not the same frequency, and the worry would be heat. Yep, heat. It's a microwave, boys and girls, and the radar, microwave frequency, (micro - wave means short radio waves, like micro-centimeters) creates heat, just like your microwave oven. Depending on the power output (4 kw will fry stuff a foot away, if the antenna did not turn), that's how you determine where to put stuff.

Don't go to any trouble to angle the base of the radar up since the vertical tolerance is about 20 degrees, even tho they will say in the book it's about 5 or 10, but they lie.

Anchor light: Since I never anchor unless I'm borke down, mine is on the front of the fly bridge, where any vessel coming from the stern will see "only" the two 500 watt spreder lights. Mount it where it works, not on top, 'cause at night, there is no substitute for having the bridge dark so you can see other stuff, like the bank and big steel stuff, like ships.

See you guys for a while, I smell dinner, and I'm bushed, and still pissed.

Uncle Vic

Re: Weekend Progress
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 26 July 2000, at 7:10 p.m. EDT

Phil, Good idea. Once I get them running and start putting everything back together, I'll llok at this option.

Towers
Bill Smith -- 26 July 2000, at 6:58 p.m. EDT

What have been your experiences with towers on a 31. I have heard both sides, seen boats with full towers rock like crazy, and am wondering what others have really experienced. Thanks.

FISH Unlimited

Re: Weekend Progress
PHIL - BABYLON, N.Y. -- 26 July 2000, at 5:31 p.m. EDT

Mike - Had similar situation with Cummins 6bta (port side). Installer removed small circular section of engine box and used 8" fiberglass inspection cover to pick-up additional clearance.

Re: General Questions
Stan -- 26 July 2000, at 4:45 p.m. EDT

Hey Bill, yeah youre right, Uncle Vic's usually not short on words. I spent an entire day fixing my platform to the transom, ain't no way I'm changing it now!!! thanks though. My platform is less than two feet out from the back of the boat. You want a little "rake" forward when you mount your radar array so it will be level while you're running. When pricing lights, check cost of replacement bulbs, I've seen them range from $5 to $35.

Re: Wireing for a 31 fbc 1982
Carlos Sucre -- 26 July 2000, at 2:21 p.m. EDT

Bill
will be glad to help.
I found the original wiring corroded(green) way back into the cable . If a terminal conection gets corroded you need to change more than just the terminal and final inches of wire. i was told this would not happen with tinned Thats why I use it.
Carlos

Re: General Questions
Carlos Sucre -- 26 July 2000, at 2:10 p.m. EDT

Hi Bill
The flood lights in my half tower are 12 volt jabsco. 150 w I believe. 4 years and no problems
Why should there be a problem with the anchor light under the arch? Seen pics of anchor lights under the platform where the radar is boats with towers
Carlos

Re: 31 Cockpit Sides
Marshall -- 26 July 2000, at 7:34 a.m. EDT

I replaced all my panels on my 28' this spring, cockpit and bridge with starboard. Definetly worth the money. I also got 1" X 1" X 4' pieces and routed out corner moldings. So far it has been great. The only problem I had was the piece for the transom, it was 102" wide so I had to "join" two pieces together as I only got 96" long pieces. To join them I simple backed them with another piece and bolted the two to it. I have some pictures (.jpg)if you are interested.

General Questions
Bill M. -- 26 July 2000, at 6:46 a.m. EDT

To All,

Finished welding out my radar arch yesterday,finally!Now I have to locate holes for wiring,and decide on GPS mounting.The radar will be mounted flush on the arch and the gps about 28in.to stbd..The book says mount it on a 36in.(appx.)stanchion ,but most pictures of mountings I see its right on a stub on the arch.My arch does have a curve which puts the gps flange 3in. below the radar base.Any comments?

The arch can be laid down fwd.so I nead a flexable conduit to go from leg to bridge side.I am familiar with "weathertite",but I would like S.S. fittings.Any one have knowledge of these connectors.

Is it OK to mount an anchor light just under the arch?

What do you use for flood lights?

Anything else I should wire for?

Stan,I saw in an old message you were mounting a swim platform.Suprised Vic didn't comment.I mounted one but designed and fabd.fold up hinged to get it out of the way for the day I catch a fish.If your'e interested in seeing pictures let me know this week.My wife will be in the U.S. next week.

Thanks for the help,Bill M

Re: Wireing for a 31 fbc 1982
Bill M. -- 26 July 2000, at 5:59 a.m. EDT

Carlos,

You will be getting lots of calls when I get into the rewiring.I have to convince you to come down to POZ and give advice.

As I am replaceing decks,tank etc.,I decided to run plastic conduit aft from engine box to transom area.I did not like all the wires fastend solid.I used hot water pipe for conduit,not regular conduit.

QUESTION

Is tinned wire that important?My existing wire is 30yrs. old and still looks good,not brittle or corroded.I am not including the obviously damaged,oil soaked etc..

Bill M

Re: 31 Cockpit Sides
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 26 July 2000, at 5:09 a.m. EDT

Bill,

Gaffs, boat hooks, and other like gear would be no problem. Light weight rods, like spinners and bait casters would be OK also. Mounting something like trolling rods would require some sort of reinforcement in conjunction with the fasteners and mounting system used. I'd advise a minimum of 3/8" screw penetration for lighter items, and 3/4" for heavier items.

PVC Foam Board takes and holds fasteners fairly well. Thinner cross sections, (1/4" and below), need additional backing thickness to both spread the load and give the fastener a better bite. Stronger fastening can be accomplished by using SS toggle bolt or nylon toggle anchors, (the kind used for dry wall).

By pre-deciding where things might be mounted, before installation of a panel, you could add any necessary backing blocks using scraps of the same material to build necessary thickness and sized to spread the load.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Weekend Progress
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 26 July 2000, at 4:13 a.m. EDT

Mike,

Not sure I quite understand your question, and marine mechanic I ain't, (beyound the basics and a propensity to tinker). Bruce would be more qualified to answer this one...

http://usamarine.net/cgi-bin/mechanical/bbs.cgi

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Weekend Progress
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 25 July 2000, at 8:54 p.m. EDT

Stan, I'm in Freeport, TX. If you get down this way, I'll send directions. Patrick, is there any problem with the exhausted water running back down instead of blowing out? That was our concern in running it over the top. I have a long term solution to the box problem, but 'll save it til later. For right now, we can swing around the bubble. Vic, the answer to your answer is no, but thanks for the input anyway! Already went to Bud Lite, ain't that good enough? Got to go "interview" a neighbor for my newspaper column. He got a 230# yellowfin behind a shrimpboat last week, - also a 53# "baby". Everything was wondeful unti the charter party's check bounced! And they took the tuna! He has a commercial license and tuna permit, so he lost double on the trip.

Re: 31 Cockpit Sides
Bill -- 25 July 2000, at 6:23 p.m. EDT

Pat, Will this foamboard be strong enough to mount rods and gaffs on?

FISH Unlimited

Re: 31 Cockpit Sides
Bill -- 25 July 2000, at 6:22 p.m. EDT

thanks Russ but I think i'm going top try that stuff used in basthrooms with a texture. It is bright white, a 4x8 sheet willfit with slight cutting and it should wipe down easily.

FISH Unlimited

Re: 31 Cockpit Sides
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 25 July 2000, at 6:03 p.m. EDT

Richard,

The PVC Foam Board is far less dense than some alternatives, (fiberglass, Starboard, the Home Depot fiber reinforced mystery plastic), but in terms of all compared, the PVC, (at least in my opinion), has an edge on the others. Lighter, easier to work with, less expensive. The only thing that is less expensive are some of the coated pressed fiber materials that won't stand up for long to a wet environment.

An Aftco rod butt or gaff is going to do a number on all of them. The Starboard will *not* be repairable, only replaceable, (in addition to being the most expensive way to go). The Home Depot stuff only comes in one thickness, so a backing or core is necessary. Blank panels of 1/4" fiberglass are almost as expensive as the Starboard, *if* you can find them, (usually have to get a custom layup).

Other than PVC Foam Board and Starboard, the others don't have any sound insulative quality by themselves. Fiberglass panels will rattle up a storm without a lot of fasteners and caulking.

The PVC Foam Board is relatively simple to patch, fair, and re-paint. Even if replacement is necessary, it's far less expensive than Starboard & is still my choice.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Well guys, I need a hand with this motor...
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 25 July 2000, at 5:37 p.m. EDT

Russ,

Yup... I use a high duty coolant for all marine engines, gas or diesel.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: 31 Cockpit Sides
Richard A. Miller -- 25 July 2000, at 5:35 p.m. EDT

I think I may have been the source of the old posts on this subject. I got some PVC foam board samples but didn't use this product because it just didn't seem rugged enough. I could make a visible crease in the surface with my thumb nail; was afraid to think what a rod butt would do to it. I checked out kay-lite, but the manufacturer told me that it was not recommended for exterior applications period. So I finally concluded that Starboard XL (about the same weight as plywood) would be the best alternative. But then the marina mis-measured and didn't order enough in May to do the whole job at once, and I put the project on hold until next winter.

Re: Weekend Progress
Stan -- 25 July 2000, at 3:55 p.m. EDT

Most excellent Mike, I can't wait to get to that point. Where is your boat, I'd like to come by sometime. I keep finding new projects. I removed FIVE thru-hull transducers & gizmos yesterday! FIVE!!!! and left the sixth one not knowing what it was for, It'll come out today. Should move the motor from port to starboard & line it up today also attach an aluminum generator bracket to the port stringer cap. Drop the generator in & the 2nd motor this week. WIRE it up THROW her in the canal & THROTTLE down, yeah right. Just keep chuggin right along. The cool-aid stand stayed open late last night giving me that mid-evil disease, dragon ass. so the sun ain't too friendly today. one tequila two tequila three tequila FLOOR.

Re: Diesel 101
Jeff -- 25 July 2000, at 2:52 p.m. EDT

Capy, I believe I've been told that Cat no longer makes the 3208, that it's been replaced by the 3126.

Re: Weekend Progress
capy -- 25 July 2000, at 10:28 a.m. EDT

Vic,

If you come to the rendezvous I'll show you a tight squeeze, but enough about my wife, my walk through has to be as narrow as any B31 around and I never did give up the bud!!

regards,

capy

Re: Diesel 101
capy -- 25 July 2000, at 9:54 a.m. EDT

PW,

I tend to treat any engine in a deep v boat as a heavily loaded application. Therefore I would look at commercial ratings in making your selection. A good place to start would be david pascoe's web site, he is a marine surveyor who talks straight about what works and what does'nt

I don't think you can go wrong with 3208T with a commercial rating of 300 hp. Long service life, great power and speed, and it will ride better than most 45 footers. When I need a repower, thats what I'll put in.

regards,

capy

survey online

Re: Weekend Progress
Vic Roy -- 25 July 2000, at 9:46 a.m. EDT

Mike - solution is just start drinking Slim-Fast instead of Bud.

Helpful Vic

Re: Well guys, I need a hand with this motor...
capy -- 25 July 2000, at 9:43 a.m. EDT

Craig,

Detroit diesel recommends straight water with just rust inhibitor added, for southern applications. The reason for this is, water has a higher heat x-fer coefficient than water/glycol mix. It does not have a higher heat capacity, however, and will boil over faster if you plug up your intake for any reason. I have been running 60/40 water/nalcool in my 6v53's and they run cool, but, seawater in the northeast may get to 75f max.

regards,

capy

Diesel 101
PW -- 25 July 2000, at 8:35 a.m. EDT

Its time to think about new engines. But My head is spinning, I read all the online info here and other sites, but I have a few ? Cummins has the Recreational; 270B and 330B High Output, and the Commercial 6BTA 5.9-M JW and SW; in High Output, Intermittent, and Medium Continuous. 6BTA hp from 225, 260, 280, 315, 355. What is the difference between the Recreational and Commercial motors? Which 6BTA enigine is the one I should look at; JW or SW and in H.O., Int., or Cont. The Cummins web site is very vague as to applications and info. Any help appreciated, thanks.

Re: Well guys, I need a hand with this motor...
russ -- 25 July 2000, at 7:45 a.m. EDT

Patrick,does the advice re. automotive antifreeze also apply to the merc.454's if so what do recomend for them? thanks ........russ

Re: Wireing for a 31 fbc 1982
Carlos Sucre -- 25 July 2000, at 1:10 a.m. EDT

Craig
When mention Wards I meant they help me pick best components, answer some questions etc no to actually do the wiring. Im sure they will do an excellent job but many "units"
Carlos

Re: Weekend Progress
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 24 July 2000, at 11:04 p.m. EDT

Mike,

We had a custom SS 180 sweep made up by a local shop. Doubled back over the top. Then also my eng boxes were custom and designed around "the-port-engine-sticks-out-to-damn-far" problem of the 300B.

That's one of the only things I like about Detroits, everything is mirrored so that you can set the engines up as true port and starboard.

Sounds like you're getting close to being (semi) done!

http://bertram31.com/proj/bert/img/port_eng1.jpg  This a gigantic view of one below.. 90+K

Best regards,

Patrick

bertram 31 - bertram31.com images

Re: Well guys, I need a hand with this motor...
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 24 July 2000, at 10:53 p.m. EDT

Craig,

Never run just water alone. Leads to overheating, accelerated corrosion, and pre-mature engine problems and failures. I use Nalcool 2000, (owned now by PENRAY COMPANY and aslo goes by the name Pencool). Don't use regular automotive antifreeze, they're too light of a duty glycol mix. It'll work in a pinch and is better than just plain water, but not as good as the marine grade coolants.

For all and more than you want to know about coolants, as recommended by CAT see: http://www.cat.com/products/parts_n_service/05_fluids/05_service_publications/_publications/cool.html

Best regards,

Patrick

Caterpillar Specialty Lubricants

Re: Weekend Progress
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 24 July 2000, at 10:41 p.m. EDT

Good advice, Chuck, but my elbows are very precious to me. This is an experiment in converting Dodge truck Cummins to marine use, and the elbows were not made to be specific to 31's. They are, however, beautiful things cast of aluminum bronze, much too fine to discard. I agree that the walkway is pretty small, but I really believe I can make it work.

Re: Well guys, I need a hand with this motor...
craig santamaria -- 24 July 2000, at 9:56 p.m. EDT

i have a pair of 3208 T cats and have been running with just water in the radiators will putting coolant in instead help them out to run cooler and if so what brand coolant or mixture is reccomended?

Re: Wireing for a 31 fbc 1982
craig santamaria -- 24 July 2000, at 9:40 p.m. EDT

thats the truth carlos .i know k buys alot and takes alot more for me to even generate those #'s.i live in pomp bch fla and am minutes away from wards elec. i also got a general quote over the phone on re wire seems they were high also in the -k range maybe i heard them wrong,but i bought the elec.bible and another one i feel once i get past the floor issue i will have time to put a focus onnew wireing.my boat runs good and everything works elestrically so far . I just wanted to make the boat nicer than it is allready.

Re: Wireing for a 31 fbc 1982
craig santamaria -- 24 July 2000, at 9:33 p.m. EDT

i hope so it costs enough.apparently they found some rotted suppor members under old floor .....whoops here comes the bump!!! find out thurs

Re: Weekend Progress
chuck k -- 24 July 2000, at 9:14 p.m. EDT

Mike
Why don't you make your exhaust fit your boat instead making your boat fit your exhaust.Did some body build your elbows and if so why didn't they measure the boat.If not,it is very easy to modify those elbows.I would seriously consider doing this as there isn't much walkway as it is.
Hope you get it figured out.chuck

Weekend Progress
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 24 July 2000, at 8:21 p.m. EDT

Stan, Vic - Got my starboard exhaust hooked up Saturday, built a heavy mounting box for the 2 4d batteries and set them in place (between the engines, but raised to just below the hatch level), replaced one shift cable - actually 2, but the old one I tried to use on one side is no good, so I need to pick up another tomorrow. Should get the battery cables to the engines hooked up and finish that other shift cable in the evenings this week. If the tranny coolers and tachs come in, we should crank this weekend. Then the nit-pickin' trouble shootin' can begin.

Patrick, my port exhaust coming off the turbo sticks out pretty far. I think I'll just make a "bubble" in the engine box to accomodate it, instead of moving the whole box to center and cutting down the size of the companionway and cabin door. How did you handle this on Fortuna?

Re: Well guys, I need a hand with this motor...
PHIL - BABYLON, N.Y. -- 24 July 2000, at 8:02 p.m. EDT

Dug - Uncle Vic was right on the money with my most recent overheating problem - fragments of a former impeller were lodged in the suction port of sea water pump. Engine ran normal at low to mid speeds - ran hot past that. Problem drove me crazy for one month. Simple fix. My hat's off to Uncle Vic.

Re: Louisiana Fishing
Stan -- 24 July 2000, at 3:44 p.m. EDT

Lucky I do my own sellin... Hmmm, Blue Marlin Huh? OUT HERE? In the Gulf! I'm a believer, let's tackle another one. Hey, howbout I bring a bottle for bubbles & you can drop me off by BP109 for a quick Lobster Fest? I left fifty or sixty small ones there about two months ago, figure a dozen or so oughta be ripe by now. Emailed some pics to Capt. Pat as you suggested, I dont know how to attach anything to the URL links, Etc. Let me know when you get back from the cutbait capital. Stan.

Re: Wireing for a 31 fbc 1982
Dug -- 24 July 2000, at 2:05 p.m. EDT

Phew, I was scared!!! You are going to have terrific new decks. They do first class work!

Enjoy!

Re: bulkhead replacement
Dug -- 24 July 2000, at 2:02 p.m. EDT

Patrick.

I wish I had heard from you when I did my bulkheads. While I am not afraid of them coming apart at all, your way does sound great.

As usual it is described in a very concise, understandable method. Joe will have no problems doing it your way at all! Joe, call me if you need help installing the bulkheads. Bill did my templating, but I can now fiberglass with the best of them!

Patrick, as always, incredible. I have printed it out for the records.

Dug

Re: bulkhead replacement
Dug -- 24 July 2000, at 1:54 p.m. EDT

Kallite makes it with either a textured finish or smooth finish. Also, if you turn the textured finish over, the back side is smooth and can be used as well!!!

Re: bulkhead replacement
Dug -- 24 July 2000, at 1:49 p.m. EDT

Hi Joe!

Sounds great! Here is my opinion...for what it is worth.

My bulkheads were so rotten I could not salvage them. The fuel is heavy, so be careful of distortion, but we used cardboard to template the basic shape and faired the plywood into shape. That plywood is good stuff unless you are going into exotics and you and I both are not ready for that.

If you don't want to do that (templating) then use a sawzall I would think.

To tab in the stuff, don't be afraid to screw it into place and then tab in over that. Not a big deal. When are you planning on doing the tabbing and installation, let me know I might be able to come help. Lay in the glass with about 2 inches of glass cloth from the joint. Fill it first with a resin and filler combination mixed in the consistency of creamy peanut butter to avoid air bubbles or voids in the joint.

My friend Bill Jennings is actually pictured on the introducing page of this website tabbing in the joints around the fuel tanks on my boat, so maybe we can borrow him or his knowledge if you want.

If you need more info, let me know.

Dug

Re: 31 Cockpit Sides
Dug -- 24 July 2000, at 1:35 p.m. EDT

Bill,

Vic is right, there are a bunch of old posts on this, way down back in december, but here is what I did and it works great, as well as is very well priced. All the info is back in those posts, or I can try to dig it out of the drawer when I am back in Boston again, probably next week...

First around the cockpit. Starboard is great, but really really expensive. I used a product called Kallite wall board which is a fiberglass sheet material. You can buy it in 4 X 8 and 4X10 sheets. The 4X10 works well. They will ship it to you. It is paintable. It will not absorb water, and if it does, (but that would be tough to believe!) then for the price it costs, just buy more and template off the old ones. It is really inexpensive and works well.

For the v-berth I pulled the carpet out and put 1/4 teak slatting in with teak trim. I used plywood fibergassed to the inside of the hull for ribs and screwed the teak to the ribs. I bought the teak from St. Angelo hardwoods in Bristol, RI, who will custom mill it for you and ship it and is great to work with. Additionally he is a distributor who will sell you direct, saving you a ton of money!

Good luck, and let me know if I can help with specifics!

Dug

Re: Well guys, I need a hand with this motor...
Dug -- 24 July 2000, at 1:26 p.m. EDT

Well, I thank you all for the incredibly thorough details, Vic, as usual, incredible.

I may have the problem licked and will know tomorrow...

The replacement fresh water pump was a standard rotation pump and the problem is on an opposite rotation motor, so that pump would suck instead of pump. That would be bad. When I put the old and the new next to each other, they are the same flute arrangement, so both are uni-directional. I have a bi-directional pump on order to deliver tomorrow, and I hope that that will take care of it. IF not...well, there is another mechanic in the wings. the giveaway in my mind is that the water from the garden hose did not change velocity at all when the motor was revved, and that to me means it is being controlled, instead of restricted, which is exactly what that water pump being backwards would do...

I will keep you all posted (pardon the pun...), and my fingers crossed!

If it works Capy, I will see you on Crane's beach this weekend!!!

Dug

Re: Old News Becomes New News...
Stan -- 24 July 2000, at 1:01 p.m. EDT

Capt. Pat, I (im sure along with many others) share the same appreciation as Joe has expressed in his letter. I've been around & repaired smaller boats most of my life & when I set out on the Bertram journey I was pretty much winging it. I recieved advice from many but it isn't the same as the confidence you get from the advice & guidance of fellow owners. My boat has been dry since October 99 & the people I've talked to & met on your site has given me extreme motivation to get her back in the water. By this time next year there should be another half dozen or so Bertram 31's in the water (on your site alone). Where are other meeting locations besides Block Island & Bahamas? Next year maybe have something in Key West or hmmmmmm, Cozumel... Thanks for all your support. Stan

Re: 31 Cockpit Sides
mike ohlstein -- 24 July 2000, at 12:40 p.m. EDT

I'm using a starboard-like product called C-Teak. Two 4 X 8 sheets are enough to do the job, and the half inch material was $360. It's strong enough to do a scalloped shape along the bottom edge, giving a much needed toe hold to a low gunwaled boat. It's UV insensitive, wont even take paint, let alone a blood stain, and works just like wood....except it'll never rot.

Old News Becomes New News...
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 24 July 2000, at 11:56 a.m. EDT

Dear Bertram 31 Aficionados,

I guess that I should pick a name for this page that is some thing other than "News".... This is the first update since back in March. I'll try to do better in the future!

More... http://bertram31.com/news.htm

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Well guys, I need a hand with this motor...
capy -- 24 July 2000, at 11:00 a.m. EDT

You guy's hit the nail right on the head, it does sound like something dumb. Dug, I would seriously shop for a new mechanic if he is ready to throw in the towel. It should be a matter of pride that no technical problem could stump him. I agree with vic and sonny,check all hoses and pull both heads and examine gaskets.

regards,

capy

Re: Well guys, I need a hand with this motor...
Carlos Sucre -- 24 July 2000, at 10:35 a.m. EDT

Thanks Vic
Nice to have this clear.
In my old detroits that have overheat in the past and always wondering if it was a major internal component. ( it has always been cooling circuit related as You said, the only thing I can troubleshoot)
Carlos

Re: Well guys, I need a hand with this motor...
Vic Roy -- 24 July 2000, at 8:23 a.m. EDT

Carlos - at the risk of being nit-picked, almost all overheating problems are caused by restricted cooling water flow in either the raw of heat exchanger circuits. Fuel/air mixture will affect it some, with the leaner the mix, the hotter the engine, but that's mostly true on air cooled engines, such as aircraft. Marine engines have an unlimited supply of low ambient temp. coolant available, namely sea water. The issue is always getting enough flow and heat transfer to let the sea water take the engine heat away into the deep blue. The causes of poor volume and circulation start with where the sea water comes in, and stop where is goes out the stern: valves, hoses, strainers, pumps, clooged water passages in block, heat exchanger, heads, thermostats and their related housings, aftercoolers, gear coolers, and so on. Obtain a cooling water circuit diagram for your engine, or make your own. The Cummins 6bta manual has a great color one, blue for seawater, red for the antifreeze side. It is a "simple" matter of tracing flow from a to z in a methodical manner, taking notes as you go. Short of internal head or block corrosion blocking passages, the culprit is usually a simple one, and easy to fix.

In Dug's case right after a rebuild, improper installation of gaskets sounds like a prime suspect, but I would still start from a and work towards the other end.

Well, I'm installed in San Diego for the week. At least the weather is nice and cool.

Vic

Re: 31 Cockpit Sides
russ -- 24 July 2000, at 7:53 a.m. EDT

Bill, the carpet in the v-berths can be cleaned by a good carpet cleaning company, they did mine and it came out great....russ

Re: bulkhead replacement
ken -- 24 July 2000, at 1:58 a.m. EDT

SONNY, THE SHOWER WALL BOARD I WAS TALKING ABOUT WAS SMOOTH, AND MADE OUT OF SOME KIND OF CARDBOARD LOOKING MATERIAL. IT IS PAINTED WHITE ON THE OUTSIDE AND IS 1/4" THICK. VERY SLICK FINISH ON IT AND VERY INEXPENSIVE, ABOUT 14.00 A 4X8 SHEET. I ALSO USDED IT TO MAKE MOLDS FOR FIBERGLASS WORK, THE RESIN DOES NOT STICK TO IT AND PARTS POP RIGHT OFF. THE FIBERGLASS TEXTURED MATERIAL IS GREAT FOR AN ALTERNATIVE FOR FORMICA, I USED IT IN THE HEAD STALL TO COVER THE WALLS. BY THE WAY SONNY, DO YOU STILL HAVE THOSE PROPS? KEN

Re: Submit diagrams and ideas
Carlos Sucre -- 24 July 2000, at 1:06 a.m. EDT

Capt P,Sonny, Craig
we need someone in the forum with software for electrical circuits. anybody?
That would be a nice project and ongoing discussion
Carlos

Re: Wireing for a 31 fbc 1982
Carlos Sucre -- 24 July 2000, at 1:01 a.m. EDT

Craig
Mine is a Panduit model (very good)bought I think at Wards Marine electrical, Florida. If I new so many connections to terminals involved I would bought a bigger more expensive one. I did my own 12v-110v and ground electrical . Use crimp and heat shrink with the inner epoxi layer with no soldering, tinned oversize wiring, some "Blue Seas" post and buss bars, home made panel with breakers and analog meters from Ward's. excellent results. No failures and low resistance (5 years so far).
The crimps are pure metal w/o the plastic covers(the deformed by crimping plastic cover make holes in the heat shrink piece)
If you are in South Florida the guys from Ward Marine where helpfull. For books try 12volt bible one of the best Ihave read in 12V. N.Calder big book is one of the useful books in 110.
About the meters buy small range ( 10-14volt or +-30 amps ) I have 10-20volts and 0-80 amps useless
For 20.000 $ you can buy a new boat.
Carlos

Re: Well guys, I need a hand with this motor...
Jay Smith -- 23 July 2000, at 10:23 p.m. EDT

Dug.... Vic's got the right approach.. had the cork leaking on my stainer and took hours to figure it out. Try a simple approach to test if waterflow is your problem..look at the exhaust..is it flowing close to the same as your good engine? If so, you probably got an internal gasket problem associated with your head replacement. If not, its the seacock, hose, strainer,bad impellor, or clogged riser.Good Luck. JAy

Re: Wireing for a 31 fbc 1982
craig santamaria -- 23 July 2000, at 10:07 p.m. EDT

WHAt do you reccomend?

Re: Submit diagrams and ideas
craig santamaria -- 23 July 2000, at 10:06 p.m. EDT

i could use that help

Re: Wireing for a 31 fbc 1982
craig santamaria -- 23 July 2000, at 10:04 p.m. EDT

WHAt do you reccomend?

Re: 31 Cockpit Sides
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 23 July 2000, at 8:26 p.m. EDT

Pete,

Kinda' figured! Will *try* to get up there soon... Let me know the date you are going to sea trial, I'd really like to be along for the maiden ride if there's room! My best to Rusty & Chuck.

Went down to Liquor-dale a couple of weeks ago to look at a repo'ed 34 Gamefisherman from Destin. Boat was a DOG... Advised the potential owner to "forget it!" On the way back, we stopped by your place and hopped the fence to take a look at "Vizcaya". Almost had the guy interested in it, but I think he still has his eye on the Gamefisherman. He's a very good friend, but I think he's pissed at me for not having more appreciation, (or sharing his optimism), for the other tub's potential.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: bulkhead replacement
joe amato -- 23 July 2000, at 8:06 p.m. EDT

i really didn't want to yank the tank. But it would make the job a lot easier, and more importantly it'd be done right. Once I get the bulkhead out, I'll decide what to do on the tank. It'll be one of those, 'oh well, i'm this far i might as well finish it'.

FWIW, Pete, I use the pic of your boat for sale for my background as a reminder of what she'll look like someday.

Thanks for all the feedback.
joe

Re: 31 Cockpit Sides
Peter Fallon -- 23 July 2000, at 7:09 p.m. EDT

Patrick,
I haven't had the chance to build the new sides yet still trying to get the new legend 34 finished, still about 6 weeks from sea trials. stop up to the factory, it's come along way since you were there last time. I'll call you this week.

Re: bulkhead replacement
Peter Fallon -- 23 July 2000, at 6:57 p.m. EDT

Joe.
you are so far along now take the old tank out, i removed mine you would no believe how much water the old foam held,it was like snow cones under the tank, must have had 50 gallons of water in the foam. the way i got mine out was to use #19 tuna wire, fish the wire under the tank then make wooden handles for each end use sawing motion start from the forward end and work back.it's a 2man job but shouldn't take to long.,pressure test the tank and reuse if it's ok. use 2 part 4lb density pour foam to reinstall the tank and make sure the fiberglass limber holes are clear and still intact. good luck

Re: bulkhead replacement
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 23 July 2000, at 2:53 p.m. EDT

Sonny,

I've heard of Penske board on several occasions, and had your question posed to me before, but I'm really not sure I've ever seen the material. If I have, it didn't leave a lasting impression...

The 2mm PVC Foam Board is pretty fragile, don't think that it'd be suitable for anything much more than as cabinet liner material. In general, what ever thickness you'd use in plywood, double it for the PVC Foam Board.

I used the PVC Foam Board for overhead liners on a 110' motor yacht's upper deck overhead a few years ago. All open to the weather and about 900 sq ft of area. Used 6mm stuff on that and after pre-fitting, each of the over 80 panels were covered with an upholstery vinyl, (contact adhesive & monel staples on the wrap around)

The 4mm, (1/4"), PVC Foam board might be a good material for both your overhead and "walls" in the V-berth, especially if covered with vinyl or Awlgriped w/ a flattening additive to kill the gloss. The flexibility of the material would lend itself to the inside hull contours. You could pre-form it after fitting, (before covering or painting), with heat lamps. After cooling it has pretty fair memory retention to the new shape. A polyurethane adhesive would be used for installation, after covering or before painting.

The "fiberglass" shower board, (Home Depot stuff), is a strange material. I experimented with for a few days several months ago, thinking it might be an alternative for one project. I couldn't find anything in the shop, from acetone to toluene that was reactive with it. Test laminations using both epoxy and polyester were less than impressive. Seems to be some sort of fiber reinforced PVC, but PVC cement or solvents don't touch it either. Like I said: Strange stuff.

It does accept construction adhesives well, like 5200, 101, etc. The back side has less texture and the material sands easily, don't know how well it'd polish up if carried that far. Never tried. It's very flexible like the PVC but doesn't heat form like the PVC. Just seams to fall apart under heat and bending. And, takes more heat to boot.

One of the local custom teak manufacturers who does pre-fitted teak decks as drop in pannels, (similar to the way Teak Deck Systems from your area makes them), uses the shower board as a scrim backing. Works very well... ( http://www.maritimewoodproducts.com/decking.htm ) Food for thought if building a similar type deck system or "teak & holly" strip flooring pannels.

Best regards,

Patrick

Submit diagrams and ideas
SONNY -- 23 July 2000, at 1:59 p.m. EDT

I'm sure with all the boat talent we have on this site, someone could post a simple generic wire diagram for the 31. Also included could be ideas for placement of batteries, gensets, filters,ac, and pumps. I can't do the diagram, but to start with have two suggestions; locate the fuel filters under the hatches just aft of the engine boxes.Easy to get at and don't have to raise the boxes to check-drain the filters. Next for shore power, place inlet recepticles inside and forward in the side deck panels on both sides. Have to place a port-stb. isolation switch on the panel. Stays dry and don't have to trip over that yellow snake when it crosses the deck. Both are minimum units and work well on my boat.

Re: Well guys, I need a hand with this motor...
SONNY -- 23 July 2000, at 1:24 p.m. EDT

I had this happen to both newly re-built Mercruisers several years ago. After many trips around the warranty bar found out they had used the wrong "gaskets" for the rebuild and coolant water was not getting to the heads. Sonny

Re: bulkhead replacement
SONNY -- 23 July 2000, at 1:15 p.m. EDT

Pat- Have you or anyone you know tried "Penske" board? It seems like it would be great for bulkheads and structural replacements. I saw it at the local fiberglass shop in Sarasota. Also what do you think of pvc (2mm) for the cabin and v-bearth overhead liners? Isaw Dugs comment on shower wall boards, but can't find any that doesn't have a textured finish. Would also like to line the v-bearth walls with something like that too ( mine are not dirty- downright "Nasty"! Look forward to your suggestions- Sonny

Re: bulkhead replacement
Ric -- 23 July 2000, at 12:38 p.m. EDT

HI joe

I did replace that bulkhead.,a couple years ago and i kept the templates that i made to do the job and your welcome to borrow them to do your job.,i would think,,they would fit give or take , a little.,., and it might save you some hours.,it took me hours to fabricate it., cabinet maker in the boat and me on the outside line to line and point to point.,.,.,but they came out right..i just dont know how you would tab it with the tank still in .,.,i used a sawsall and a sledge hammer to get that tank out and had annother (aluminum fabricated) made .,i got the template for that too
in case you want to tackle that
either way .,.,your welcome to it

ric .,kid koo @aol.com

Re: bulkhead replacement
joe amato -- 23 July 2000, at 9:33 a.m. EDT

Patrick

Thanks for the info. I hope to get the bulkheads out today, so I hope to use your technique this week.

Thanks again

Joe

Re: Well guys, I need a hand with this motor...
Carlos Sucre -- 23 July 2000, at 7:54 a.m. EDT

Nice answer Uncle Vic.
In diesel engines, overheating is always related to cooling problems? Can head or engine block components problems can cause overheating?
Carlos

Re: Wireing for a 31 fbc 1982
Carlos Sucre -- 23 July 2000, at 7:34 a.m. EDT

Craig
Use a top quality crimping tool
Carlos

Re: 31 Cockpit Sides
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 22 July 2000, at 11:13 p.m. EDT

Bill,

Let me know if you have trouble getting the stuff or if you're in doubt about any material that you do find. My local supplier is one of the largest suppliers in the country for PVC Foam Board and will ship anywhere in the southern 48.

The material you're looking for is white, w/ slick faces and rather porous between. It's all one material, not a lamination. The surfaces are generated during the manufacture as the sheet is passed between rollers. It's about 1/2 the price of Starboard...

Note that while I used a fractional dimension in my earlier post, it actually comes only in metric dimensions, from 2mm (1/8") through 228mm (9"). 3/8" = 6mm

It's also hot air weldable and can be formed for radiused bends with either a strip heater or a heat gun...

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: bulkhead replacement
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 22 July 2000, at 10:45 p.m. EDT

Joe,

A product called XL Plywood is available only from Greenwood Forest Products in Portland, OR. It's a treated marine plywood that is guaranteed never to rot, (even carries a transferrable life time warranty), and has a higher fatigue resistance than other plywoods. Standard marine ply *will* rot just as fast as cheap ply. Even standard PT marine ply will eventually go south. Compare the prices and delivery cost to weigh out your decision...

Greenwood Forest Products

15895 SW 72nd Ave. #200

Portland, OR 97224

800.333.3898

fax 503.670.7755 (no website or email but they do advertise in Professional Boatbuilder Magazine http://www.proboat.com/ )

Use 2" door skin strips and a hot glue gun to make accurate templets against the original while in place. It'll only take you a couple of hours and will be easier to handle than the full bulkheads. You then don't have to worry about bringing them out intact. Rabid Beaver Rules...

Tabbing will be difficult between the tank and the facing bulkhead on the re-install.

First, grind down to clean glass all contact areas and perpendicular outward for about 6" every were possible.

Pre-treat your ply, especially the edges, with denatured alcohol thinned epoxy. Two coats, 2 hours between coats. When the second coat is about 4 hours old, wipe the ground hull areas with denatured alcohol, and apply one coat of straight un-thinned epoxy. Apply the same to the edges of the ply. Wait two more hours, giving the epoxy a chance to begin it's gel cycle. You're now at 6 hours into the job.

Next mix enough epoxy and Cab-o-Sil to build a heavy bead on the contact line. The bead should be about 1/4" - 3/8" thick and 1/2" wide. (By measuring the linear run and multiplying .2 you'll have the volume of mix needed)

Now carefully install the bulkhead, fill in any gaps, and fair the squeezed out epoxy mix into a generous fillet, (say a 1" - 1 1/2" radius), (don't worry about the area between the tank and bulkhead) See also: http://usamarine.net/cc/proj/tips/epoxy.htm

Allow this to all set up for 24 hours and you'll be ready for the tabbing. Three light weight close fitting tabs of 1708, (8 oz), biaxle w/mat backing will be far stronger than 1 tab of 24 oz roving. Build the first tab 12" wide, (6" to hull, 6" to ply), the second at 8" centered down the first, and the third at 6", centered down the second.

If you make all of your epoxy runs within 12-14 hours of each other, you don't need to sand between runs... After 24 hours, you must sand between that and the next coat. Prepping and tabbing a bulkhead should take about a 1/2 day, so the two bulkheads should be do-able in three days, excluding your templets, tear out, grinding, and vacuuming up the debris.

Notice the limber hole cutouts in the sketch below. After the initial installation, fit PVC pipe sections with epoxy and Cab-o-Sil. This will give you a generous drainage system and further protect the edge grain of the ply. See: http://usamarine.net/cc/proj/tips/sleeving.htm (same principle applies...)

Have fun and get sticky!

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Wireing for a 31 fbc 1982
craig santamaria -- 22 July 2000, at 9:04 p.m. EDT

THANKS VIC ! APPRECIATE THE ENCOURAGING THOUGHTS .
MY LIFT IS DUE TO BE COMPLETED BY THE END OF JULY. I JUST WENT DOWN TO GLASS TEC AFTER HUSTLING OUT OF WK TO GET FROM PEMB PINES FLA TO MIAMI BEFOUR IT WAS DARK TO SEE MY BOAT,HAD TO POUND ONT THE DAMM CUBAN GUARD AT THE GATE TO LET ME IN SO I COULD SEE MY BOAT WITHOUT THE FLOORS IN WHICH ARE BEING REPLACED WITH NEW FIBERGLASS.
I INVITE ANY HELP I CAN GET TO COMPLETE MY JOB ON THIS BOAT BUT THATS CERTAINLY OPTIONAL YOUR MORE TAN WELCOME TO STOP FOR A COLD ONE AS WELL.NICE CHATTIN W/U.

Re: Wireing for a 31 fbc 1982
craig santamaria -- 22 July 2000, at 8:56 p.m. EDT

NO TEAK ONLY IN THE CABIN.THE FLOORS WERE 3/4 PLYWOOD PAINTED OVER.ONCE I THOUGHT I'D JUST PAINT THEM OVER TIL I WAS ABLE TO PUSH A SCREW DRIVER THROUGH.

bulkhead replacement
joe amato -- 22 July 2000, at 7:58 p.m. EDT

Ok guys, my turn to ask for help. I've got everything out and am down to the bare hull, gas tank, and the 2 bulkheads around the 177gal fiberglass tank. Both of these bulkheads need replacing. I'm going to replace them with pickled 3/4" marine grade plywood (unless there's something better?). Only thing I'm stuck on is how to get them out without pulling the tank? I'd like to get each one out in one piece to use as templates. Also, I'd really rather not remove the tank, as I hear its a bear to get back in right. Not too mention I've still got 90gal of 2yr old gas I haven't been able to remove yet. The boat's a 1962 if that makes any difference. Any help is greatly appreciated. Also, any tips on tabbing bulkheads in would be great.

Thanks
Joe

Re: 31 Cockpit Sides
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 22 July 2000, at 7:41 p.m. EDT

Vic, mine didn't even have the carpet in the Vee-berth - too old, I guess, I had to update to carpet myself - used indoor-outdoor, and, yes, Patrick, I started to do an inlay (but of a mermaid!).

Re: 31 Cockpit Sides
bill smith -- 22 July 2000, at 7:23 p.m. EDT

thanks very much for your help. i think I'll use the foamboard. Appreciate it!

Re: 31 Cockpit Sides
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 22 July 2000, at 5:48 p.m. EDT

Uncle Vic,

I sorta' like my wimmin' trashy... Think you oughta' go with the tri-color. How 'bout doin' a custom inlay of a marlin in various colors of Astro Turf??

You D' Man!

Sure is good to have you back. Look forward to the lawyer dribble next week from the left coast!

Best regards,

Patrick

Other Lawyer Cartoons...

Re: 31 Cockpit Sides
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 22 July 2000, at 5:29 p.m. EDT

Bill,

A rigid PVC Foam Board is one very good option, (see http://usamarine.net/cc/proj/tips/pvc.htm ), and should be available to you from any plastics dealer who supplies the sign industry. Start by calling those who sell Plexiglass...

I'd go with 3/8" thickness. The material is white with a medium density surface. It can be left "as is" and will clean up easily and have good UV protection from yellowing. Lightly sanded, it accepts paint well. The core is on the porous side, so any cut outs should have a surface filler applied or ring faced with another material, such as Starboard or, (if you're a masochist), teak.

Pete Fallon is in the process of replacing his originals with the PVC. I haven't talked with him in the past few weeks, so don't know what progress has been made, or what problems he's incurred or perceived... I'm sure he'll kick in on this post with his next visit.

Best regards,

Patrick

PVC Foam Board as an Alternative to Plywood

Re: 31 Cockpit Sides
Vic Roy -- 22 July 2000, at 4:52 p.m. EDT

Bill - there are a bunch of old posts on this, and I think the consensus was to use Starboard. I have some fiberglas coated stuff that is backed by stuff that looks like heavy ceiling tile that has lasted for years, but check way back in the posts where the Starboad is discussed and where you can get it. In the v-berths, if you are talking about the sides with carpet, I decided to keep the carpet, since I'm sorta trashy at heart. did not change out to tri-color shag yet, but thinking about it.

Vic

31 Cockpit Sides
bill smith -- 22 July 2000, at 4:38 p.m. EDT

Has anyone had success in replacing these with a fairly easy to work with and durable material? I'd like them to be strong enough to mount gaffs, etc. on, and one piece if possible. Also what have you used successfully in the forward V-berth?
Thanks

FISH Unlimited- The Leader in Fisheries Conservation

Re: The World is Oblong
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 22 July 2000, at 9:34 a.m. EDT

Uncle Vic,

Here's the run down on how to download and install the Bertram 31 Screen Saver. The un-install section will also lead you through getting rid of an unwanted screen saver.

http://bertram31.com/screensaver/install_uninstall.htm

If this is all still Greek to ya', just give me a call at 561.848.3366 and I'll walk you through the sequences...

Best regards,

Patrick

Screen Saver Installation

Re: Well guys, I need a hand with this motor...
Peter Fallon -- 22 July 2000, at 1:42 a.m. EDT

DUG,
Check the oil and tranny coolers for peices of old impellers,make sure they put the correct gaskets on the heads and the exhaust elbows and check the water temp sender.also the main water pump,heat exchangers for obstructions.good luck.

Re: Louisiana Fishing
Vic Roy -- 22 July 2000, at 12:51 a.m. EDT

Stan - 117 is what I now remember you told me, and the pix confirms it. Gotta post it. Almost as impressive as the fighting chair lady that Sonny sent. Stan, sho' am glad I'm not your life insurance salesman. I used to scare them off by mentioning I was a private pilot. Worked for some. Spearfishing aound offshore oil rigs for 117 aj's ought to run off all but the rank rookie salesmen.

Let's go catch a blue marlin.

Vic

Re: Louisiana Fishing
stan -- 22 July 2000, at 12:08 a.m. EDT

Mike, we seem to be side by side almost with the progress factor. Finding new projects by the day but I should be HOPEFULLY trying to burn fuel week after next (that is if murphy is out of town)
Hey Uncle Vic, "I may be crazy but I ain't no fool..." That A.J. went 117#, made friends with him at 180, pulled the trigger at 200 (feed'em cold steel) & the knife came out at 220ft. Hands on is still hard to beat. (cheaper than a psychiatrist anyway). I'll e-mail some pics to Capt. Pat to post. Working all weekend on the 31 with much pleasure, the paint job damn near gave me a chubby. gotta go.

Re: Well guys, I need a hand with this motor...
Vic Roy -- 21 July 2000, at 11:28 p.m. EDT

Dug - been 20 years since I had those engines, but did have a drive-you-nuts overheading problems with one, so I'll walk you thru what I finally did to solve the problem.

1. the engine is creating heat by having fire in its belly, like internal combustion;

2. the design is to carry the heat away by circulating water through the block, heads, and exhaust manifold. forget about the mininal heat transfer of the oil cooler and trans cooler.

3. sea water is sucked in (remember this, its sucked under a vacuum) thru the bottom of the boat thru the sea cocks. Is the offending sea cock open? No, not the lever or valve wheeel, is the actual gate or ball valve open? Levers rust and sometimes don't turn the valve, as do knobs. I just had to replace a seacock where the threads on the gate valve stripped, and you could turn it to your heart's content, and the valve gate did not move. If necessary, take the hose off the outlet side of the cock and stick a long rod or screwdriver down thru to be sure it's open. Use an old towel to stop the torrent, but the boat won't sink while you do it. While the hose is off, turn the cock on and off to make sure it's working right.

Next - now you know water can be sucked thru the cock, look at the hose. Is it possible that the inside layer of rubber has a flap that's broken loose and has become a check valve under suction? I had it happen, and you could look thru the hose and see light at the other end, but under suction, the flap came loose and blocked the water flow.

If hose ok, now check the sea water strainer, remembering that it's also under suction, so any air leak will destroy the suction. Check the gasket around the top, usually cork, and it goes to sh-=t after some time. any signifigant air (suction) leak will destroy the proper water flow before the sea water pump. Keep tracing on the suction side, being suspicous of any clamp, hose, etc, until you get to the sea water pump. this is where you go from suction to pressure. Condition of flexible impeller pump is probably the most over rated culprit in overheating. If the impeller is intact, and the pump is not squirting water out the shaft seal, it's not the problem in serious overheating situations, just maybe the low level ones.

Make sure you don't have fragments of a prior blown up rubber impeller in the seawater pump inlet and outlet. I had that problem with one of my Cummins, where an impeller lost a couple of blades, and they lodged in the pump body output and also in the suction side, since when an impeller goes, the pump tends to backwash and you will find pieces of the impeller in the suction side, sometimes in the seawater strainer.

OK, we are now on the pressure side of the seawater circuit. Pressure is easy, since it squirts as opposed to suction, which sucks air which you cannot see, unless you live in South Louisiana, when the air this time of year is bright blue due to heat, humidity and pollution. We make your gas for your car here, and sorry we jacked the price up, but sh-t happens. buy Exxon stock.

Let's follow the pressure side from the seawater pump. Either goes to a heat exchanger or if none, straight thru the engiene cooling cirucit, and in both cases, out the exhaust by injecting it thru the exhaust elbow. If heat exchanged, check the flow thru the exhhanger. I find the best way to do this is to pull the hose from the exhanger to the exhaust elbow off and crank er up, and see if it blows a steady flow. If if does, then last check the exhaust elbow. Probably the worst offender on boats. Imagine a 3/4 inch hose under some pressure going into a matrix of holes about the size of a pea in a cast iron (with gas v-8's) that feed into the exhaust. Only way to check is to remove the elbow, use old hack saw blades and stiff s.s. wire to ream out, and blow with 150 lbs air pressure, or hit with a 3000 lb pressure washer, but be careful of your eyes, etc.

If heat exchanged, you are now dealing with a separate circuit, which is the within-the-engine heat transfer to the anti freeze mixture in the inner circuit of the exchanger. Figure out where it starts, say use the circulating pump as a startintg point, and follow the flow. Pull every hose off and crank motor and check for flow, without thermostat installed, so you know you are getting what is supposed to be unrestriced flow.

Bottom line is your problem is some simple restriction in flow on the pressure side, or lack of suction on the intake side. My gut is that it's in the exhaust elbow if not a suction side problem. But to get it fixed you have to start with a and follow the flow to z, taking ntoes all the time so in frustration you don't try the same fix twice. Time, Patience, and Money.

Good Hunting. Luck don't count in this game.

Uncle Vic

Re: Wireing for a 31 fbc 1982
Vic Roy -- 21 July 2000, at 10:46 p.m. EDT

O.K. Craig - I sell stuff too, and I guess the same as you, and we both probably have the time honored, and earned, b.s. detector. Did I read it right, that you will have your 31 in your back yard? If so, the idea that you would have someone else rewire your baby is nuts. I have always had to keep my boats one to 3 hours from where I live, and have always dreamed of having the boat in my yard, which I did with my old 25 Bertram which almost fit on a trailer.

If you have it in your back yard, where you can take little things off and into your workshop, look at them, think about them, hit them with a wire brush a little, put them down and come back an hour later, you are home free. My experience is that those of us that can (a) afford to have a 31, (b) have the eye for the lines of the boat, and appriciate it, (c) like to do stuff themselves, and can figure out basic physics principles, are (d) the real kool-aid drinkers, and what Bayliner owners ain't. I will come to your back yard in, say January, at my own expense, and help you with rewire. No Kidding. Would suggest we con Ric to come too. He is doing somthing we will all be stunned with when he's finished, but he don't talk about it a lot.

You are on the right track. You can rewire your 31, with AC and DC circuits, done right, with a lot of thinking and sketching for under 2 kilounits, and it will be better than new.

Uncle Vic the jealous

Well guys, I need a hand with this motor...
Dug -- 21 July 2000, at 10:38 p.m. EDT

Well, I changed out the fresh water pump, the impeller on the raw water pump is fine, the timing is good, there are no air bubbles in the system. She is still climbing the temp scale, and leaves no sign of stopping. Damn it we have one motor on the port side running a bullet proof 140 w/no thermostat, but the starboard one is not quite that nice to me...

Ever since the head came off and was put back on, the pain in the butt has not stopped wanting to boil water, and since it is summer, I don't need any hot tea... Any ideas? My mechanic threw in the towel today, and has admitted defeat. I am either going to ask the machine shop to take it back and make it work, or I am at wits end...

Any help would be appreciated...

Re: Wireing for a 31 fbc 1982
craig santamaria -- 21 July 2000, at 10:26 p.m. EDT

THANS VIC VERY COOL AN INSIGHTFUL! I MEAN I DONT KNOW IT ALL BUT I KNOW SOME. THIS BOAT DOSENT HAVE AC , REFRIDGE, GENERATOR OR OTHER STUFF. I ONLY HAVE A TIME ISSUE ON MY HANDS. WHEN I WAS TOL IN THE 20K RANGE I LOOKED HARD AT THE GUY TELLING ME THAT . MAY I MENTION I'VE BEEN IN THE RETAIL CAR BUSSINESS FOR THE PAST 22YRS AND STRUGGLE FOR EVERY $$$ I SEE. ANY WAY I AM EXCITED TO HAVE THIS BOAT AS I COME FROM A 22 FT HYDRA SPT CENT CSLE AND AM APPRECIATING THE TRANSITION.

Re: Wireing for a 31 fbc 1982
Dug -- 21 July 2000, at 10:25 p.m. EDT

Craig, did your boat have plywood decks or teak? I love the glass tech decks, but if it was teak, that is a shame!!! :)

(I just put teak in mine...)

Re: Wireing for a 31 fbc 1982
craig santamaria -- 21 July 2000, at 10:18 p.m. EDT

THANKS FOR THE RESPONCE I THINK YOUR RIGHT ABOUT THAT . WHEN I WAS TOLD 22000 ORIGINALLY THEN THEY WENT TO 20000 I WAS ASTOUNDED? I BOUGHT A COUPLE OF THE BOOKS RECOMENDED AND AM UP GRADING THE LIFT IN MY BACK YARD SO I WILL TRY A BIT MYSELF FIRST . MY BOAT IS IN MIAMI GETTING FIBERGLASS FLOORS AT GLASS TEC. I WILL PICK IT UP NEXT WK.I ALLREADY MISS IT THOUGH.........

Re: textured paint job
Vic Roy -- 21 July 2000, at 9:23 p.m. EDT

Stan - sounds like you will be ready to hum shortly. Crypic bills and work orders written (sic) by coonass mechanics indicate that my genset may be fixed. Problem seems to be that they worked their butts off figuring out how to hook up the indicator lights on the gen panel to work. Duuuuhhhhhh - that panel was for the old Faryman set and don't go with the Kuboda, and were never supposed to be hooked up. I guess they are now. Something on the second bill about "owner needs to get mechanic to fix broken water hose on genset". Huh? Will call 'em from left coast next week and test French skills. Also bill for fixing autopilot, which looks pretty straight forward. Saw the discussion about autopilots and elec. in general. All now beyond me. Actually I thought Stan was an excellent autopilot on our marlin trip. Only had to take the wheel once when approaching the jetty at right angle midway up. Would have made a great hull test for the 31. but shucks, we were basking in glory and lightin' the load with the beers.

Go head and finish her, cause I'm gonna show you how to fish with a pole rather than a gun.

Vic

Re: Wireing for a 31 fbc 1982
Vic Roy -- 21 July 2000, at 9:14 p.m. EDT

I agree - not that hard to do. Ric needs to weigh in on this, cause he sent me pix of his wiring job, and it is world class, and he did it himself. I used to be sort of an electronics hobby guy in my distant youth, and solder and heat shrink tubing - using real marine wire that's tinned - can turn a mess into stuff that will work for decades. Make your own diagram as you go, then clean it up, make 40 copies, laminate about 20 of them, and stick them in out of the way places, cause you will forget what goes where in a week. use the little label makers and stick labels everywhere sayiing what it is, and what it does, and where the other end is. Use circuit breakers - avoid glass fuzes - don't ever use in line fuse holders, cause you will never find them again. Solder all connections, even the crimp ones, and then heat shrink them with the kind (aircraft, I think) with the heat actived glue in it. Never use silicone, as it is impossible to get off the screw heads when you need to change something. A little silicone grease or just Vaseline will last forever. Keep wires parallel - don't bunch up with 50 wire ties on different bundles. Cut excess off rather than coil up. Use big wire, not only for the carrying load capicity, but it is easy to work with rather than little chickensh-it #16 stuff that breaks when you look at it. Carry lots of wire nuts for quick repairs rather than the crimps, which you never get right when the boat is rocking. Learn to solder - practice on juck wire. Do not use acid core solder, only resin core. Do not crowd panels - leave room to work and repair.

Random thoughts from years of screwups. Never use a screw when you can put a bolt with a lockwasher and Loctite.

Not hard

Uncle Vic

Re: Louisiana Fishing
Vic Roy -- 21 July 2000, at 9:00 p.m. EDT

Mike, remember: unlimited Time, Patience, and Money will solve most problems. Keep on pluggin, and you will get it done. Stan Smith sent me an email at the office while I was gone with a pix of the g.d. biggest amberjack I ever saw that he shot under an oil rig with his speargun. Stan is not a real tall guy, but this a.j. is at leat 6 feet long. He told me how much it weighed when we were on the magic marlin trip, but I forget. Stan, put it up on this site to make the cod fishers squirm. I've caught some aj's that were big, and they kicked my ass on bottom tackle, but can you imagine spearing one 100 feet down and then hanging on? Crazy, Crazy.

Now, the official report on the sinking houseboat. Marine surveyor says the stern 8 feet of the hull is gone, so the welder is replacing it. Concrete job is out - back to steel and sandblating, coal tar coating, etc. Should be back in business in a couple of weeks, just in time for hurrican season. Ins. co. will not pay for emergency tow, lift, etc to keep the sucker from sinking. Wait till next time, and see how fast I spend my money saving their risk. cocks--kers. The world is oblong, as the coonass say.

Anyway, sent out many large diaster relief checks today to solve the Money part of the problem. Time and Patience are next. Plus paid bills for fixing the safety shutdowns on the genset and to reconnect the autopilot. I don't know if I can afford to be this rich. My credit card bill from the pond crossing deal is gonna affect the balance of trade. Plus, spent 4 and a half hours on a conference call today to get ready to waste next week in SD. It ain't fair.

Uncle vic

Re: Wireing for a 31 fbc 1982
Bruce -- 21 July 2000, at 8:19 p.m. EDT

Craig,
Not much wiring in the 31 to begin with anyway.

Economy has been so good, the repair shops backed up, that they are charging anything and getting away with it.

Should be able to get the job done for about 5k.
Wire and labor included.
Bruce

Louisiana Fishing
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 21 July 2000, at 7:24 p.m. EDT

Vic, the July issue of Gulf Coast Fishing and Boating - which is published in the great little town of Boutee, site of days of pain and misery for me a long time ago - has a picture of your buddies' bluefin, as well as a big blue marlin from Venice. They do a real good job of covering that area (with your son's help). There is also a picture of my boat coming out of the water, illustrating my column on bottom paints. Bought new batteries today. This weekend I hope to get them in and hooked up, control cables hooked up, gauges wired, starboard exhaust hooked up. My tachs and tranny coolers won't come in until Wednesday or Tuesday, so I won't be cranking this weekend after all - but gettin' close!

Re: broken 6bt5.9m
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 21 July 2000, at 7:18 p.m. EDT

Capt. Tony, I sold my old 1:1 Borg Warner gears to a commercial fisherman in Maine who was going to use them behind a 6BT in a lobster boat. He said his engine had 11,000 hours on it when he bought in, that it smoked a little and used a little oil, but ran great! Hope my luck with the Cummins is as good as yours. I expect to start out around 210 hp.

Re: The World is Oblong
Vic Roy -- 21 July 2000, at 7:03 p.m. EDT

Hey Wayne - go over there all the time to the fish market and outdoor restaurant, mostly to cast an eye on the roller blade ladies. Man could lose lotta units there, but go broke with a big smile. My favorite place in San Diego is the Fish Market restaurant on W. Harbor by the tuna harbor downtown. go there so much the sushi chef just nods and cuts the bait for me. Class deck for clears in the late p.m. and watch the sun go down over the nuke carriers.

Sonny - yeah, them Swiss are hoots, for sure. The two operators spent the whole time I was up there eating bananas. Maybe automation has gone too far. They both own summer homes in Finland and share a Lake amphib, which Uncle Vic has flown many years ago, and is a great little plane if you can afford to keep the Franklin engine running. The Swiss pilots replaced the Franklin with a Lycoming, and say it does great. they must make a sh-tload of units eating bananas and playing grab ass with the waitresses. Where did Uncle Vic go wrong in life? Watching the world go by from FL 400 eating bananas vs. shooting legal bullets by the hour. By the way, the flat personal video panels that they used to have in first and business class are locked, and they now give you a Sony video-man DVD player. Rumor has it their carsh may have been caused by the power supply to the videos catching fire. I sniffed a lot both ways, but mostly enjoyed the ride and the clears from Russia and the Ayatolla's fish eggs. Small reward for 200 kilomiles with your former employer, who in first class won't even give you a g.d. banana.

The world is in fact oblong, not round.

Uncle vic

Re: textured paint job
Stan -- 21 July 2000, at 12:52 p.m. EDT

Good to have ya back Uncle Vic. Sounded like a great trip to oohm pa pa land. Let me know when you feel the hankerin & I'll be at the dock, suit case (bud) in hand. They just sprayed the black stripe on my hull, the paint job came out good after the first go round with mother nature. Im changing the steering lines, mounting the battery box, generator bracket, swim platform & setting up the gen. accessories this eve. & weekend. Other motor & gen. will go in next week, then we'll see if she still floats! Have mad amounts of cutbait in Sou. Cal. & catch a daycruise for me.
Stan

Re: The World is Oblong
SONNY -- 21 July 2000, at 11:25 a.m. EDT

Welcome back uncle Vic! You are right, SA is a class operation. My only complaint with them is when I'm trying to sleep and the pilots start yodeling. Since you got some pit time, did you see how fishy 60North, and 50West looked? I hear it's the only place in the world that a cod will hit a rigger bait, and thats cause even they would rather be somewhere else. Sonny

Re: The World is Oblong
Wayne -- 21 July 2000, at 10:39 a.m. EDT

Uncle Vic I feel like your my uncle too . been readin about you so much.anyway when u come to Calif pick up a copy of Sea Magazine . I didnt realize it was a western magazine until I got no response from my post. 2 day ago.B 31 top o the brokers list. Have fun in calif. check out fishermans landing in Point Loma fishing is good..

Re: broken 6bt5.9m
Capt. Tony -- 21 July 2000, at 8:53 a.m. EDT

Hi Jeff,
I got almost 7000 hours out of the port side,
and 7011 out of the starboard. They were the 210 hp. I would swear by em. Never had much go wrong, never had a turbo problem or exhaust manifold problem with either one. The engines were put in the Falcon in 1986.
There is another 31 in the Homer harbor now, They just repowered / 6 cyl Yanmar, he flies by me, cruises at around 30 kts. He also has about 30,00 more units invested.
Have fun in the sun and good fishing
Capt. Tony

Re: gaskets
russ -- 21 July 2000, at 7:28 a.m. EDT

Uncle vic hello,nice to here from you how is, was, the trip the web site has been a bit slow since you took off, thanks for the info Dug gave me a good tip if that doesn't work out the auto supply store is next. thanks again for the input.....Russ

Re: gaskets
russ -- 21 July 2000, at 7:23 a.m. EDT

thanks Dug, i'll check it out today....russ

Re: The World is Oblong
Vic Roy -- 21 July 2000, at 7:05 a.m. EDT

Catch 'em up. Try the Uncle Vic Killer Bait - cast a 2 oz. yellow bucktail jig with a no. 64 rubber band tied to the hook; cut the rubber band and tie one end to the hook with the other end trailing out behind the jig. For some reason it drives bull dolphin nuts, and the jig is big enough so most of the chicken dolphin can't get it. Works good on Yellowfins too.

Wish I was going with you instead of heading to the office to see what havoc has been reaked upon my world while I've been gone.

Vic

Re: The World is Oblong
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 21 July 2000, at 6:45 a.m. EDT

Uncle Vic,

I'll get an instruction page up this weekend for ya'.. Even tell you how to remove the dolly!

Gotta' go try to capture some dolphin this morning. We've had 7 straight days of west wind and full moon phase to add a kiss of death to our fishing last week. Wind turned back to the southeast on Wed, maybe we can get lucky again today.

Best reagrds,

Patrick

Re: The World is Oblong
Vic Roy -- 21 July 2000, at 5:22 a.m. EDT

Mike = glad to be back, I guess. My german is not up to snuff and I got some tired to trying to pronounce those words that are about a foot long just to get around. My body thinks it's time to get up, but the clock is not cooperating.

Hey Sonny - I flew Swissair out of Atlanta to Zurich, thanks to Delta's freq. flyer miles. There are 12 first class seats on the MD-11, and man, it is FIRST CLASS! Going over only 4 seats taken and yesterday only 8, with 5 waitresses and a 8 course meal. The pilots let me sit in the jump seat and play aviator for about 1000 miles over the Atlantic. After about 20 clear drinks I could probably flew the thing. Sonofabitch is some big.

Hey Patrick - for us computer dummies, how do you download the screen saver and make it do its thing on your screen? I'm not kidding - I don't have a clue how to do it. My screen saver at home has a Cessna 185 on flots on it, and I don't have a clue where it came from. At the office I have the pix of the girl Sonny sent me in the fighting chair, and can't get it off. Have to put a cardboard box over the screen when I leave.

Help.

Uncle Vic

Re: gaskets
Vic Roy -- 21 July 2000, at 5:11 a.m. EDT

Russ - I used auto door weatherstripping I got from auto supply place and stuck with the supplied adheasive and it's been fine for 5 years. They make a bunch of different shapes, and just find the one that will give you the most "squish".

vic

Bertram 31 Screen Saver
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 20 July 2000, at 10:55 p.m. EDT

At long last the 1st ever Bertram 31 Screen Saver is available! http://bertram31.com/screensaver/preview.htm

My appologies for having taken so long to get this job done...

Best regards,

Patrick

bertram 31 - bertram31.com images

Bertram 31 Screen Saver

Re: gaskets
Dug -- 20 July 2000, at 10:52 p.m. EDT

Russ,

At West Marine, try the SKU #: 409664 or 406563.

It is hatch tape, for exactly what you are looking for!

Dug

Welcome Back, Uncle Vic !!
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 20 July 2000, at 10:19 p.m. EDT

Good to have you back online Uncle Vic! We missed you...

Hope you had a great time over there. The 118 posts that you have to catch up on are nothing to what one of us would have if we were gone for the same length of time. Hell, everyone knows that Uncle Vic is the life of the party and drags in the posts like 'skeeters on bare Yankee's butt!

I've spent the whole day putting the 1st Bertram 31 Screen Saver together. Starting to get right cross eyed looking into this Cyclops... I've promised myself that I'll have it ready and posted for download before I quit tonight.

Again, good to have you back!

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: The World is Oblong
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 20 July 2000, at 9:19 p.m. EDT

Welcome back, Vic! Over here we've had 100 degree+ days for the better part of 2 weeks. And, even though it hasn't rained in years, they say the humidity is extra high, making the "feel like" temperature even hotter. Fishing has been good, though, - or so I hear. I might be able to crank my engines this weekend, though, if things go as planned.

Re: tuna reports
CRAIG -- 20 July 2000, at 8:23 p.m. EDT

thanks for information---just got back and have to round up a crew--probably won't fish until sunday.

Re: textured paint job
Vic Roy -- 20 July 2000, at 7:20 p.m. EDT

Stan - let's go catch another blue marlin, maybe week after next?

I'll be around the house a while tonite before I crash, and at the office tomoorw, and the house Sat.

Jeeeezeeee, it's hot - maybe have to go to the 500 fathom curve to find cool enough water to fish. On the other hand, the 450 was right on the 500 line.

Vic

The World is Oblong
Vic Roy -- 20 July 2000, at 7:11 p.m. EDT

Well, glad I was missed. Yep, I'm back a little early. got up this morning in Zurich and it was about 50; my driver picked us up at the B.R. airport at 5 and it was 100. I got to be out of my fricking mind to come back early to this.

I've not had a chance to read all the 118 posts since I've been honeymooning in the Alps. Just for the record, the Sinking Houseboat tried to live up to its name while I was gone, and they managed to plug it and - sho' enough - use two cranes to pick it up and sit it on the bank, and the welder is working on it, so I'm told, all of this long, long, distance from over the pond.

Anyway, if any of you guys ever get the chance to fly Swissair, do it. Them folks know how to fly. Try 4,611 n.m. within one minute of the schedule each way. I fly a lot, and that's near impossible. Bad news is I will be heading to San Diego on Sun. morning on the red eye. I gotta be nuts. I am nuts. I'm married to a high mantianice woman, to boot.

Gonna turn the a/c up. Damn it's hot.

Uncle Vic, the tired.

Re: Wireing for a 31 fbc 1982
craig santamaria -- 20 July 2000, at 6:03 p.m. EDT

thanks for your insight i truley believe i can do it for less than 20.000.00

Re: Electronics in general
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 20 July 2000, at 3:56 p.m. EDT

Stan,

Furuno is the best in my opinion, and the FCV582L would probably be my choice... ( http://www.furuno.com/fishfind/fcv582l.html ), but in the $1,000 price range, you might look at the FCV600L.

Both are available through Online Marine, (http://www.onlinemarine.com/online_superstore/electronics/fishfinders/fishfinders.htm )

The "biggest bang for the buck" might be the Raytheon L750 Fishfinder. I've never used one, but it looks interesting at $749, complete with bronze transducer... http://www.onlinemarine.com/online_superstore/electronics/fishfinders/raytheon_l750_fishfinder.htm

For a B31, I doubt that I'd want a 1000 watt unit... Takes up too much bridge real estate, and the transducers are monsters.

BTW... I have no relationship with Online Marine and make no commissions. However, any product that you find and order through our iicaptain Marine Store, ( http://imra.net/iicapt/ ), DOES generate a commission for me, (and would help keep this place alive!)... Compare the prices and features...

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Electronics in general
joe amato -- 20 July 2000, at 3:42 p.m. EDT

Stan

I went with the raytheon v850 color fishfinder. I use it for tuna and cod fishing. We fish in water from 150' down to 300'. When looking for bait, we might even go down to 400'. Its a 500watt, dual freq (200/50), dual screen machine, that has white line, a scope, interfaces to loran and gps, has plotting capabilities, and lots of other nice features. I tried the comparable furuno, but didn't like the user controls. Same with the sitex 600watt unit. I've got a friend with the sitex, and it doesn't hold bottom very well and doesn't mark as nice as the raytheon. The only other one that I liked a lot, was the commercial version of the sitex (forget the name, simrad?). But that was more $$$. Don't know if raytheon makes these anymore (mine's 5yrs old), but if you can find one, I'ld highly recommend it. Its a good low end commercial/high end recreational unit. I think it ran me aroun 1k.

regards
Joe

Re: Wireing for a 31 fbc 1982
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 20 July 2000, at 3:05 p.m. EDT

Craig,

Check Bluewater Books and Charts in Ft. Lauderdale. Specifically the two following titles.

Should be all you'll ever need to know about marine wiring systems...

Marine Electrical & Electronics Bible

Boatowner's Illustrated Handbook of Wiring

Go to their site serch engine,( http://www.bluewaterweb.com/htdig/search.html ), and type in: WIRING

Have fun!

Best regards,

Patrick

Wireing for a 31 fbc 1982
craig santamaria -- 20 July 2000, at 1:44 p.m. EDT

I HAVE RECENTLY PURCHASE A 31 FBC . I HAVE AN INTEREST IN WIREING MY BOAT . AFTER GETTING SOME ESTIMATES DOWN HER IN SO. FLORIDA OF ABOUT 20K $$$
I NOW FEEL THAT I WILL TRY AND FIND A DIAGRAHM OF MY BOATS WIREING SYSTEMS AND TRY AND DO AS MUCH MYSELF AS POSSIBLE AS I DO NOT HAVE THE AVAILABLE $$$ TO HAVE THE JOB DONE FOR ME. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY ADVICE AS TO HOW TO GO ABOUT THIS IN THE MOST PRACTICAL MANNER?IS THERE A GOOD ELECTRICAL BOOK FOR MARINE WIREING SYSTEMS THAT POSSIBLY I COULD STUDY? I AM RESONABLY MECH. INCLINED AND FEEL I COULD HANDLE THE JOB AT MY LEISUE.THE BOAT HS 3208 T ENGINES AND IS IN GREAT RUNNING SHAPE. I HAVE IT IN MIAMI NEAR THE FACTORY (BERTRAM).I AM HAVING FIBERGLASS FLOORS INSTALLED AND THEN WILL RETUR IT TO MY HOME IN POMP.BCH.. ANY INSIGHT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.

Re: Electronics in general
Stan -- 20 July 2000, at 12:52 p.m. EDT

Capt. Pat, Northstars 952x looks like a great plotter. On fishfinders, what are the better brands for that technology. I'm only looking for about a 1000ft. machine. What are the advantages to getting the 3000ft/100wt unit? clarity/sensitivity? I'd like a good unit for under $1000 is there is such a thing. Main concern would be bottom structure in 250ft or less. Heard that the LCD units have come a long way also. Just about have my electronics mapped out, thanks for the help. Stan.

Re: Electronics in general
Jeff -- 20 July 2000, at 8:40 a.m. EDT

Capt. Patrick, I couldn't agree more with your false economy theme. We have a Simrad CP32 that uses CMap NT cartridges, and the detail must be seen to be appreciated. I have made runs at night in unfamiliar runs of the ICW with no problem (even if you couldn't sledgehammer a needle up by buthole at the time). One thing I like about the higher end products are the number keys so you don't have to "slew" in waypoint numbers. The advantage the Simrad has over the Northstar is about $1200.

Re: Electronics in general
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 20 July 2000, at 8:26 a.m. EDT

Oh, BTW...

While we're talking electronics, I just remembered one item to pass along to those who might be interested in GPS chart plotters.

As you know, I put my, (or rather the client's), money on Northstar. The 951, 952, & 961 are the chart plotters for Northstar and use the Navionics "Nav-Chart" chart cartridges. The datum contained on these cartridges is un-surpassed. They are just as detailed as the charts that they represent, and some zoom down to the 1/8 mile range.

I upgraded a 941xd to the 951xd for one client a several years ago. On one trip to the upper keys, we left the dock at 8 PM. The wind was pumping from the southeast at around 25 kts, so we ran the ditch. The ICW run between Palm Beach and Miami is a royal pain in the ass in the day. At night, the pain increases to the level of pure torture.

The 3 Nav-Charts for this area cover both near offshore, (about 15 - 30 miles out), and all of the ICW, from Jupiter through the upper Islamorada area. ($99.00 each)

We stayed primarily in the 1/4 mile chart range, occasionally dropping to 1/8 mile. The detail can only be described as fantastic. Every nook and cranny, every channel marker, full info on major markers and buoys, closely spaced depth info, etc. Just like having the NOAH paper chart in front of you.

Last year the client bought a Venture 34, and, (against my recommendation), fitted the boat with lower priced electronics, including a Garmin GPSMAP225 DGPS/plotter. While Garmin is a quality product and was the leader in GPS technology, the marine chart cartridges that they use for their plotters are far less detailed. Almost to the point of being a joke...

The Northstar steps through the plot positions in a seamless manner and without hesitation. Looks more like watching a video. The Garmin, not only lacking chart detail, pulls up a static chunk of memory from point A to point B. As you move out of point B range, the next chunk of memory is called up, taking up to 10 seconds to load.

The comparison between these two GPS Chart Plotters is like comparing a Dodge Neon to a Cadilac STS. Granted, the owner saved a couple of grand over installing a Northstar, and up to the point of wanting to use the mapping feature, Digital GPS is Digital GPS... But the difference between the two mapping systems is staggering, and the cost of the chart cartridges is almost identical.

The client is so unhappy with the Garmin that he's asked me to swap it out with a NS 952XD. The end result will cost him a bundle over what installing the NS in the first place would have been.

The moral of this story is:

Be slow to jump into "false economy". Don't believe everything a manufacturer touts out about the wonders of his product. Find some way to actually SEE the product in action before you "B(reak) O(ut) A(nother) T(housand)" If at all possible, hold off on your electronic purchases until the next major boat show in your area. Comparing units there is a breeze and the prices are usually hard to beat elsewhere.

Best regards,

Patrick

SEA MAGAZINE
Wayne -- 20 July 2000, at 12:10 a.m. EDT

B 31 BROKERS TOP PICK IN AUG. ISSUE CHECK IT OUT...Just returned from Midway Island 1 week fishing was awsome... after fishin offshore on a 38 bert. 2 miles off the beach 1st 1/2 day 3 yfin tuna av 60# 1 wahoo 1 small 200# blue marlin.. next day fishin off the dock 55# amber jack.. last day 300# blue.. they said sorry next time try Aug. when it picks up!

Re: Electronics in general
joe amato -- 19 July 2000, at 8:59 p.m. EDT

Ric

I've got the raytheo v850 color video. Great low end commercial/high end rec unit (500watts, dual freq, split screen). On a run to wildcat, we crossed a 1000' hole and i marked bottom, while a friend's sitex lost bottom at 800'. That was hooked up with a rayteon 535 loran. Raytheon's electronics are real easy to hook together. ALthough, I didn't like the raytheon radar (24mile). The one on a friends boat had a lot of trouble with sea clutter. I used a furuno 16mile for 10yrs and it was great. It was an older one, so it didn't interface with the raytheon gear.

Joe

Re: uncle vic
mike ohlstein -- 19 July 2000, at 8:04 p.m. EDT

Capy,

I've sent my deposit to Champlins, but they haven't cashed the check yet.....I hope they still have space available.

Mike

Re: uncle vic
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 19 July 2000, at 6:44 p.m. EDT

Really bad spelling job on that last message! Worse than Vic's when they come late at night! Sorry guys.

Re: uncle vic
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 19 July 2000, at 6:42 p.m. EDT

Patrick, an article in the new issue of MotorBoating about the Ferretti regime at Bertrams and their new 45 and 51 footers mentions that Norberto Ferretti, owner, has a refurbished 31 of his own. Since he has a background on offshoe racing, there is a good chance he had it before buying the company.

Pumped 100 galloons of gas out of my boat and into a buddies 31 that still and bad old 454's and is for sale (he bought a 35 Bert with Cummins). Got the throttle and gear cables pretty much lined out, got rid of a lot of old cables and hydraulic lines that used to go to the tower. Need batteries - getting close to light 'em up time! Speaking of units, my engine helper said he could get tachs that work on the truck engines for $70/ea, - didn't tell me I needed sending untis also that were another $40/ea! Also got to add more units for new tranny coolers. Trying to get a pair of Frank's sftercoolers before we run it.

Re: Electronics in general
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 19 July 2000, at 6:01 p.m. EDT

Ric,

I've had several client boats with all Rayethon packages. No flies on any of them... Everything worked, but I sure missed the other brands that I like better. If you do go all Rayethon, you'll get the hang of everything in short order. Watch your prices though, sometimes a Ratheon unit will cost more than one of the benchmarks from a different source.

With your proximity to Raytheon, you should be able to make good friends with one of their top techs. Invite him on fishing trips and get him to train you!

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: gaskets
Dug -- 19 July 2000, at 3:13 p.m. EDT

Russ, I will look it up tonight and get you the number etc. for the west information tomorrow. I am on a borrowed computer now!

Dug

Re: Electronics in general
Ric -- 19 July 2000, at 3:12 p.m. EDT

Thinking about the comments expressed about electronics in general and the concept of integrated system, can you get what you need (the best) from just 1 product line?I look at Capt Pat's electronics.,.,., simrad /rob...the "benchmark in auto pilots",I think of the guys on the river with old Northstar lorans that they refuse to take off of there boat, I recently spent an hour in front of the newer north star d g.p s. plotter tracker with a guy who new how to put it thru its evolutions easily,..,.and was blown away.,..,.,.,,and then raytheon.,,
or furuno.,., for depth and radar., or anybody for that matter.,More often than not you build your system 1 piece at a time and different product lines come into play and different levels of ease of use in each different line.,and you tend to go with familiarity.,.,is there anybody on the webpage who has .,"tricked it out" 1 product line
pilot,plotter tracker,radar,depth,.all high end stuff 2500 each ,.,.,i would like to go with raytheon.,.,they are 8 miles from my house.,.ease of transportation.when it BREAKS,., but im leaning towards capt pat's electronics,,because what ive learned about
electronics and each product lines particular strong points is exactly the electronics maufacturers he has on his boat.,.,beam me up scotty

Re: TEST ONLY.... Patrick
Jeff -- 19 July 2000, at 2:01 p.m. EDT

Lee, you need to repost at the top. Not sure if anyone will find your post down here. Capt. Patrick's email can be found on this site.

Re: uncle vic
capy -- 19 July 2000, at 1:09 p.m. EDT

Patrick,

I have an absolute 5 boats confirmed....many others depending on the weather,breakdowns.So far, the max we could see would be 32!!! No one,other than individuals,have sent me emails.
The current idea is for us to meet in the great salt pond and retire to various marinas, moorings and anchorages for the night. If anyone reserves a slip at champlins tell them your there for the rendezvous. Paynes dock is where most will be, it is so much cheaper. At any rate I will be monitoring CH 68, and should be in the great salt pond in the A.M. I have to get to work on finding my carpenter.

Regards,

capy

Re: uncle vic
Stan -- 19 July 2000, at 12:22 p.m. EDT

Noticed that Uncle Vic's (barge)houseboat is "Missing" the other day. It's just like a coonass to bring his camp with him across the big pond. Ya-neva-no wheen you might need your own pirogue & hip boot. somebody pass me da paddle. good dog.

Re: Electronics in general
Richard A. Miller -- 19 July 2000, at 12:02 p.m. EDT

For what it's worth, my Simrad autopilot has performed flawlessly since installed about four years ago. I got the model 20 (or 20A?)because I wanted the larger, more complete display. It is linked to my Leica DGPS, which has also performed flawlessly since installed about five years ago except the antenna snapped off at the mount and had to be replaced ($300). Even when SA was on, the Leica would typically "wander" by less than three feet (plus or minus three digits in the fourth decimal of lat/long) sitting at the dock, everything quiet.

I'm not so happy with my Hynautic steering, which seems to get "mushy" even when the pressure meets the spec. And the autopilot once broke off the tab connecting the steering to the rudder gear when we were 80 n.m. out, came back steering with engines.

textured paint job
Stan -- 19 July 2000, at 11:09 a.m. EDT

Had the hull sprayed yesterday with a beautiful off white imron. So nice that the bugs made it their home. ooops. The yard did it so looks like an extra coat of imron for the Wet Spot.
Mmmmm, cool-aid.

Re: uncle vic
Russ -- 19 July 2000, at 11:03 a.m. EDT

CAPY I KNOW THE FEELING ALL TO WELL,MINE'S IN THE YARD TO REPACK STUFFING BOXES,UNITS,UNITS....RUSS

Re: uncle vic
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 19 July 2000, at 10:06 a.m. EDT

Capy,

Yup, koolaide does have a way of fogging up rationale! {GG}

How's the rendezvous shaping up? I sent an email to the 3 "key" Bertram establishments, but haven't heard a word from them. I included your name & email address as a contact for more info. Have anyone of them contacted you?

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: TEST ONLY.... Patrick
Lee Irvin -- 19 July 2000, at 9:14 a.m. EDT

hello,

i am an owner who would like to forward you a recent picture of my boat sea horse. she is a 69 / 99 express hard top outfitted for offshore fishing that i keep here in Miami. what is your email address? thanks,

Lee

Re: uncle vic
capy -- 19 July 2000, at 8:17 a.m. EDT

Russ,

Vic said he will try to log in from across the big pond, otherwise, don't expect to here from him till august.

I just took a big gulp of kool aid, as I was trying to fix a leak in my galley sink I wound up ripping out the entire galley/icebox/helmseat and drawers nothing left but bare fiberglass!! Lets see, it's tuna season, rendezvous on 8/12, and the wife still wants to entertain. I screwed up big time, I just hope my carpenter can whip up some new stuff quick. Units, sweet units how I long for my fleeting units.

regards,

capy

uncle vic
Russ -- 19 July 2000, at 8:00 a.m. EDT

things are very quiet since uncle took off, when is coming back, i miss the coon ass

Re: tuna reports
mike ohlstein -- 18 July 2000, at 8:56 p.m. EDT

There is the 45th Annual Long Island Marlin & Tuna Tournment on Saturday (of Sun. if Sat. weather is NG). Captains meeting Thurs., 8:00 PM at Captain Bills Restaurant, 122 Ocean Ave., Bayshore 631-665-6262. It's part of the World Billfish Series. If interested, contact Capt. Anthony Vaccaro, Work 631-589-7779 Cell 516-779-6309.

Re: gaskets
Russ -- 18 July 2000, at 7:21 a.m. EDT

thanks ken,i think i'll give it a try thanks again....russ

Re: gaskets
ken -- 18 July 2000, at 3:16 a.m. EDT

RUSS, I BOUGHT MINE FROM A EAGLE HARDWARE. I USE SOME KIND OF FOAM GASKET THAT THEY USE FOR WINDOWS OR DOORS, JUST PEAL AND STICK. KEN

Re: tuna reports
craig -- 17 July 2000, at 10:21 p.m. EDT

currently i am out of country on business trip and will return thursday-i hope to be fishing saturday weather permitting. i have been tuna fishing for thirty years but only on internet for 1- i was seeing if i could tap any new resources--or perhaps a member from north jersey or western long island can share info---i run a gas boat and have fished canyon on occassion but usually work 30-60 miles out of jones inlet.

Re: Electronics in general
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 17 July 2000, at 10:08 p.m. EDT

Stan,

The NEMA hookups are the same for all units and you should have no problem with one brand talking to another. Be on the safe side though and double check any units that you're interested in as being compatable with each other. On one boat I run Roberterson AP with Northstar GPS and Rayethon radar & depth video.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Electronics in general
stan -- 17 July 2000, at 9:29 p.m. EDT

Mike, is it difficult to interface lets say a simrad autopilot to a different brand plotter and a furuno radar. i.e. would it be better to get all the same brand so it all "plugs in"? does it work that way, I have no idea.

Re: Electronics in general
Capt Mike Holmes -- 17 July 2000, at 5:53 p.m. EDT

I have an Echotek 2000 watt bottom machine that I like a lot, but my backup is a smaller Furuno that does an excellent job, also. On the 48 footer I run sometimes, we use a large Furuno bottom machine with a Sitex backup that we do NOT use. I have been dealing with Magellan on GPS, but the Raytheon we use on the big boat has very large numbers that are much easier for my eyes to see these days! I spent a day on a 46 Bertram with a Northstar GPS/plotter that was pretty impressive.

Re: tuna reports
mike ohlstein -- 17 July 2000, at 4:54 p.m. EDT

I fish out of Hampton Bays, and subscribe to the following service:

http://offshore-seatemp.com/

It's a little pricey, but you get fishing reports for the cannons, and sea surface temperature charts, in color, updated daily, downloadable, and VERY useful for finding warm water eddys.
When the Gulf Stream is 100 miles away, being able to find a 3 or 4 degree temperature break within 60 miles will quickly pay for the cost of admission. And don't be missled into thinking that you can get the same information free of charge from various other services. What you are paying for is the high resolution enhancment of those 'free images'.
Of course you can always pick up some good charts and a good GPS and head for the cannons, or some of the wrecks, but the guys who get the best results (in the northeast) are the guys who specifically target water temperature.

P.S. Be sure to be equiped with diesels.

Mike

Re: tuna reports
joe amato -- 17 July 2000, at 2:49 p.m. EDT

Here's one I watch for news off of Montauk

http://www.montauksportfishing.com/report.html

Joe

Re: gaskets
Russ -- 17 July 2000, at 1:56 p.m. EDT

thanks capy, i'll give it a try,small stuff compared to blowing an engine, but it still has to be fixed,thanks again....russ

Re: gaskets
capy -- 17 July 2000, at 1:44 p.m. EDT

Russ,

I have a grey, Foamed, polyethylene gasket, bonded to the hatch with 5200. It works great!! I got it from a contractor who uses it for insulation seals of concrete foundations, i believe he bought it at home depot. Aplly 5200 to hatch and then the gasket, hold in place with duct tape, then lock hatch down until cured(3-5 days).

Dug, I got your message this morning, could'nt understand your tel. # though. Anyway, I think your mechanic has either installed cooling hoses incorrectly or one of your manifold gaskets is restricting coolant flow thru the casting. Call me again and we can chat.

regards,

capy

Re: tuna reports
springloaded -- 17 July 2000, at 12:59 p.m. EDT

The best fishing report you can get is by being there.It is much better to BE the news than to read the news.I think it was VIC who hit it on the head you cant catch them if your not there.

Re: gaskets
Russ -- 17 July 2000, at 12:54 p.m. EDT

hi Dug, iwent to west marine and they told me that they didn't have gasket material, do you have a brand name or material type i can't find a sutable gasket that will not absorb water thanks....russ

Re: Cabin door
springloaded -- 17 July 2000, at 12:31 p.m. EDT

Mike
I own a aluminum fabrication shop and have built a lot of custom doors.I think you will find a big price difference if you have it powder coated instead of anodized and if done properly it will last many years.

chuck

Re: gaskets
Dug -- 17 July 2000, at 12:18 p.m. EDT

Russ,

I just bought new gasket material from West Marine and put it on over the old one. No more leaks!!

Dug

gaskets
Russ -- 17 July 2000, at 11:03 a.m. EDT

any body out there know what bertram used for gasket material on their forward hatch. mine is original and leaks. thanks ..... russ

Re: Electronics in general
Jeff -- 17 July 2000, at 9:04 a.m. EDT

Stan, you might take a look at the Wesmar 212 color depthfinder. It's a 1000 watt, duel frequency 10 inch machine. GREAT machine. We have one (use to be Echotek) and have found it to be superior to Furuno and Raytheon, excellent pictures of the bottom, and very user friendly. Also highly recommend the Simrad AP 11 autopilot, we have ours interfaced to a Simrad CP 32, very happy with the performance.

Re: broken 6bt5.9m
Jeff -- 17 July 2000, at 8:53 a.m. EDT

Capt. Tony, sorry to hear about the engine. Out of pure curiosity, I was wondering how many hours of service did you get out of that engine? Was it the 250hp or 300hp? Good luck with the giant flounder!

Re: tuna reports
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 17 July 2000, at 7:01 a.m. EDT

Craig,

While downing the first cup of coffee for the morning, I ran the search engine software through it's paces for you... After 30 minutes I concluded what I pretty much already knew. Most fishing reports on the web, at least for saltwater offshore in the NE, are pretty lame and seldom of any value. Mostly dribble...

Some you might want to keep an eye on, (between yawns), are as follows:

Freeport Tuna Club http://www.ftcfishing.com/
Sportfish LI http://www.sportfishli.com/reports/reports.asp
Reports via email http://www.noreast.com/subscribe.cfm

Best regards,

Patrick

tuna reports
craig -- 17 July 2000, at 1:27 a.m. EDT

i want to know if anybody knows web site for updated fishing reports--i am interested in tuna reports off long island (western) from hudson cayon to inshore.

Cabin door
Mike Murphy -- 16 July 2000, at 9:16 p.m. EDT

Does anyone know of a company that makes a great looking cabin door with an aluminum frame ? I alreadt have a new window with frame for the door, but I,m looking for a black anodized aluminum frame with either an aluminum or fiberglas door with the necessary door locks ? The prices that I have found so far are around 1800.00 bucks, which seems a bit high.

Thanx,

Mike

Re: broken 6bt5.9m
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 15 July 2000, at 5:29 p.m. EDT

Tony,

Ahhh... The joys of boating! Glad to hear that you got back into shape on short notice. Got nothing to do with Murphy.. It's O'Brian that rules. O'Brian's Law has only one premise:

...... Murphy is a freakin' optimist!

Good fishing!

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Autopilots
gary kahn -- 15 July 2000, at 5:06 p.m. EDT

I have a 74 31 sf dual station mechanical steering,Si-tex makes a auto pilot for mechancial steering,does anybody have any information on such pro or con?

Thanks Gary

Re: Electronics in general
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 15 July 2000, at 12:34 p.m. EDT

Stan,

Autohelm and Ratheon are one and the same.. Both These and the Robertson/Simrad, (as do most newer pilots), have the dodge feature.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Electronics in general
stan -- 15 July 2000, at 11:24 a.m. EDT

Thanks Capt.Pat, The dodging feature (Bill mentioned that the autohelm 5000 has)is very important because we run through oil fields at night sometimes. Interfacing is another factor. I'm leaning toward Furuno Radar and GPS Plotter, heard there are better fishfinders than Furuno. I had everything on the boat but it was outdated & iffy. I'll call onlinemarine regarding specifics on the autohelm features, any other advice regarding electronics will be appreciated.
Thanks, Stan.

broken 6bt5.9m
Capt. Tony -- 15 July 2000, at 9:13 a.m. EDT

The Falcon blew an engine last Saturday on the way out to kill fish. Dropped a valve. I managed to talk the folks into fishing for the day anyway, and limped out another 5 miles, and caught our fish. Why these things always seem to happen on a weekend i do not know. Somehting to do with Murphy i guess. Could not get an engine ordered till Monnday morning.... They found one in Portland Or, New, Left seattle on a frieght plane Wed. Morning at 2;00Am.
Friends picked it up in anchorage at 7;30 Am and brought it to Homer. (250 miles.) We got it in the boat and aligned and bolted on Thursday eve, ready to fish on Friday, until we noticed that the old engine had a different plug to the panel that came with the new one(rats) We called it a night and got her all hooked up yesterday. Look out fish,here I come.

I repowered the portside last JUly. same problem, dropped a valve. I highly recomend that if you charter your 31, pick a better month to do your repower than July.

Re: Bertram 31 Block Island Cruise
Dug -- 14 July 2000, at 8:13 p.m. EDT

I am not sure if one particular place has been picked. I know the original place was champlins, but we shall see...

D

Re: Bertram 31 Block Island Cruise
DavidR -- 14 July 2000, at 5:13 p.m. EDT

Hi Dug ,

Sorry to hear about the engine problems...hope every thing works out....By the way ,have they decided on a particular marina yet?It'll be great to see them all in one place...
I'm coming probably Sunday Am (cuz I got to work)
Sat...see ya There

Re: Bertram 31 Block Island Cruise
joe amato -- 14 July 2000, at 12:31 p.m. EDT

Paul

Try and jig up some macks next time, and throw them in the livewell. If you see a fish, run an hook thru its nose and try trolling it behind the squid bars. Another way to troll it is to run a line thru the eye sockets (run a bait needle over its eyes with some line) and tie the hook to its nose. They troll real nice this way. If you don't have a live well or the macks die, build a daisy chain tying them with dental floss.

Joe

Good luck
Joe

Re: Bertram 31 Block Island Cruise
capy -- 14 July 2000, at 10:44 a.m. EDT

Dug,

I just went through some cooling problems with my port engine, got 'em licked though. To properly diagnose your problem tell me the following;

when does it overheat? idle, cruise, max or some thing in between? In gear or out?

How does it run other than overtemp? smooth, rough, hard starting or easy, does it shut down or run on?

I will do my best if informed or give me a call....978-657-1717

regards,

capy

Re: Bertram 31 Block Island Cruise
Dug -- 14 July 2000, at 10:09 a.m. EDT

Capy, that sucks!!!! To have it so close and yet no action!!!

Well, I am going to try my best to be there, but at this rate, I am really just frustrated...

Any ideas from anyone would really help actually.

I have two motors..(we all know that right!)
One is fine, one is refusing to keep the manifolds cool.

We had both running with block temps at 160 with 160 thermostats, but the manifolds were running to 210 to 215. Hot, but not unmanageable given where the sensors are. Then we found a stuck valve, which turned out to be a bolt stuck in the valve from the machine shop. Head went out, came back and was reinstalled, and now that motor just will not stay cool. The first (port) one is fine. We took out the thermostats and it is still doing the same thing, while the port motor sits at 140 and does not budge. I am about to change the fresh water pump, but any ideas would be helpful. At this point I am not sure if I will ever get this thing running in time for the rendezvous...

Will you all shoot me if I show up in the whaler?

Re: Bertram 31 Block Island Cruise
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 14 July 2000, at 7:07 a.m. EDT

Mike,

Hope so! I emailed all three groups, (yard, factory, Ferretti in Italy), and hopefully I'll get some reply...

Mr. Ricardo Strul is exec.VP of R. Bertram (yard & brokerage), and has been with Bertram since '85. Hopefully he will spread the word around his arena.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Bertram 31 Block Island Cruise
Peter Fallon -- 13 July 2000, at 11:37 p.m. EDT

CAPY.
I've had the same experience with the elusive two fin bloona,fishing off necombes ledge outside of salem with a blue fish charter, no bait and rubber squids didn't work. after 1hr gave up and kept blue fishing. next day i went to the tackle shop and bought 50 rubber sand eels made 2 spreader bars with 25 eel on each.two days later had another bluefish charter back to same spot.the tuna were there again ,reeled in the 30's put out 130's with eel rigs and landed 580lb in 1hr with an angler that never caught anything over 10lbs.i still have those rigs in the barn here in fl.that was 15 years ago but you got to be smarter than the fish. i hope to make it to block for the event less boat. too busy with new boat company to put mine in the water. P.S also try live pollack they do work.catch em up.
peter fallon

Re: More Progress
Will -- 13 July 2000, at 10:24 p.m. EDT

ive bean waiting for a hile my self. i just got the boat back last week. we got rid of the o;d bimini put on a real hard top with a bench seat in the back and just one chair at the helm( it makes an amazing differance in the bridge, you can seat 4 people very with room to spare). new dashboard the puts everything facing towrd you with new radar, color machine, auto pilot,and enclosure. also the stearing linkage at the rudder was replaced. and the windows were removed and a solid piece was put in. last weekend we had an electeronic box installed that automatically isolates all the bateries when the motors aren't running and combines them when they r running and new batteries.

Will lewis
valentine

Re: Autopilots
Will -- 13 July 2000, at 9:53 p.m. EDT

I just had a new simrad ap-11 installed along with new tiller arms rudder berings and connecting bar. i saw the old ones that were removed and they were real pieces, imm supprised they didn't crumble from being touched. any way i also had an older model of the ap-11 and was very happy with that

Re: Bertram 31 Block Island Cruise
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 13 July 2000, at 9:07 p.m. EDT

Patrick, if Bertram is interested, there could definitely be other such events around the country. I know the new owners have relied heavily on 31's and their history in new ads, so they might well think it's a great idea.

Re: Bertram 31 Block Island Cruise
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 13 July 2000, at 6:29 p.m. EDT

Bill,

Capital idea! I'll send an email to both the factory and the yard and see if I can get any response.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Bertram 31 Block Island Cruise
Bill M. -- 13 July 2000, at 5:23 p.m. EDT

Please,no comments on the spelling in my last post. Bill M

Re: Bertram 31 Block Island Cruise
Bill M. -- 13 July 2000, at 5:20 p.m. EDT

Capt.Patrick,

Why not contact Bertram,they may send a rep.up with some goodies,and or a photagrafer(sp.)

I know it's not an official randevoue like the EGG's have but give it a try.

I'm dieing to go but won't be back in the U.S.until late augost.Whats worse is my son has a 33 on Long Island that I could use,I think.

Bill M

Re: Autopilots
Bill M. -- 13 July 2000, at 5:01 p.m. EDT

Stan,

Sounds like you and I are running parallel.

I'm installing 300 Yanmars,if I recall you also are.

First,if you look back at previous posts,sort by subject,you will find many comments.

As usual I tend to be set in my ways(Hard Headed).I just bought a Ratheon(Autohelm)5000,with dodger.The main reason I selected this is that it matches the ST50's and the Yanmar instruments.(asthetics)

After I
got it and took it back to the jungle(S.A.),I found out I should have bought the 6000.This is probably not your case ,but here is why.

I have a lower station as well as the bridge.

The lower wheel takes up a lot of room,even though I have no bench.

I want to replace the wheel with a joy stick,and it turns out that the 6000,which has a seperate computer,is joy stick compatable.Ratheon sells a joy stick,a bit pricey.Other than the computer,the rest of the cmponents are the same and look O.K..It's typical modern day,light weight construction.

Let me know what you are up to.

Bill M

Re: Bertram 31 Block Island Cruise
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 13 July 2000, at 4:39 p.m. EDT

Capy,

Sounds like the B31 Event of the Century!

Be sure that there is an appointed "Scribe" and photographer to document all the fun and games. I'll build you guys a web page(s) so that you can be the envy of the rest of us. Of course, you'll also be the bench mark and target for other events to come, with the organizers looking for their soiree to be "*THE* B31 Event of the Century". Damn, 99 1/2 years to try and hold a title!!

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Autopilots
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 13 July 2000, at 4:29 p.m. EDT

Stan,

The Simrad/Robertson line is in many minds, (including mine), the bench mark for auto pilots. The link below will carry you to OnlineMarine.com, which has some of the best pricing on the net. The Simrad AP-11 would be the unit for the 31.

The Autohelm ST5000+ is a decent unit for about $600 less than the Robertson. Whether or not there is truly that much quality difference I can't say. I've run both and had no problems with either. Be sure to match your ram size in cu in to the units you're looking at.

Stay away from Si-Tex and B&G. I have nothing good to say about either...

Best regards,

Patrick

bertram 31 - bertram31.com images

Online Marine

Autopilots
Stan -- 13 July 2000, at 3:25 p.m. EDT

Help!!! This is virgin territory (not a good thing)...Need advice on a relatively inexpensive & user friendly autopilot. Thanks, Stan.

Bertram 31 Block Island Cruise
capy -- 13 July 2000, at 9:31 a.m. EDT

To any ne Aficianados,

The rendevouz is less than a month away, upwards of thirty B31's will be converging on the Island, should be a hoot and a half!!

Was striper fishiing the other morning, about 5 miles north of rockport, tried for over an hour to get a 500lb plus bluefin that was porposing on the surface, to bite a spreader of rubber squids, to no avail. No bait on board, just lures! I just may be the worst/unluckiest tuna fisherman on the planet!!!!

I think I need a good luck charm or some sort of talisman.....10 years of fighting the brutes, but when they get close to the boat I manage to screw something up and poof!!! back to draining the cooler with tewlve ounce arm curls.

regards,

capy

Re: Cabin Door
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 11 July 2000, at 6:55 p.m. EDT

Mike,

Great price! Hell, that's not a lot more than just the materials alone. Don't skimp on the hardware. Even though a top quality lock set, (like the one Hatteras uses, and we used on "Fortuna"), will cost you around the same as the door...

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: More Progress
SONNY -- 11 July 2000, at 6:41 p.m. EDT

Mike-Like the 4bts. Had almost 300hrs. on them before I hauled two months ago to paint. Performance is about the same as the 6bt-250s,except at top end where I can get 31-32 kts. Might get a little better as I'm getting more air to them, and took 25 years of bottom paint off. Hope to be finished and in the water in a few weeks. Good luck in yours. Sonny

Cabin Door
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 11 July 2000, at 6:27 p.m. EDT

Picked up a really nice teak cabin door (new, locally built) with a large tinted window yesterday for $125.00. Now I need doorknob hardware. Keep getting sidetracked from my engine mission!

Re: Free Boat
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 11 July 2000, at 6:23 p.m. EDT

He may have sold it by now, sorry. I really didn't need another boat expense, so I talked him out of the gift.

Re: More Progress
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 11 July 2000, at 6:21 p.m. EDT

Patrick, great illustration! Not sure I'd have room for them at this point, either, but they had been recommended to me previously.

Sonny, didn't know you had 4BTA's. How is the performance? Should give you more room than the 6's, I'd guess - plus a weight advantage? I considered them way back, along with the 4 cylinder Yanmar. Hope to get mine very close to cranking by the end of the weekend.

Re: More Progress
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 11 July 2000, at 4:47 p.m. EDT

Stan,

I don't recall what the price was since that was part of the over all re-power package, and I wasn't overly involved in the dollar and cents end of the deal. The Walker system isn't cheap and isn't as important to 4 stroke systems as it is to 2 stroke.

The best thing to do is contact Walker and get them to send you their literature and specific info for your engines. Be sure to tell them that this is a 31 Bertram installation with individual engine boxes and limited space.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: pic posting
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 11 July 2000, at 4:30 p.m. EDT

Stan,

You can't post on here directly from your computer... It has to have a web address from another server such as http://bertram31.com/bert_eagle_sm.gif

Send me the image via email attachment and I'll upload it to my server. I'll edit it for size and web quality. You will then be able to call it up as an address whenever you want & on whatever bulletin board allows for optional images.

Best regards,

Patrick

.

Re: Free Boat
bill smith -- 11 July 2000, at 4:21 p.m. EDT

we will take it as a donation possibly

pic posting
Stan -- 11 July 2000, at 12:51 p.m. EDT

Capt. Pat, How do I attach an address to any pics I may want to post? I'm used to doing it as an attachment with email. I'll try putting the file name of the pic & try to pull it off of a floppy? Sounds too simple. HELP!

Re: More Progress
Stan -- 11 July 2000, at 12:44 p.m. EDT

Hey Capt. Pat, How did that filter system work out on the Yanmars? Doesnt look like very much room on the motor to mount it & I didnt see my 6LP-STE motors on their application list. What's an average price for setting up something like that? (I dont have the hull side induction) It seems like an elaborate setup compared to the factory one! The factory seems to think a 50 cent piece of foam is sufficient. I'm not cutting any corners at this point so I'm interested but I wasnt aware of the need to modify my filters. Stan.

Re: More Progress
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 10 July 2000, at 8:54 p.m. EDT

Mike,

I've been real partial to the Walker Airsep system for the last 8 years or so. That's what we put on Jerry's 300BTAs and what I have on the new Yanmar 300STEs in Len's boat. You get a bit of high pitch whistle but not bad. I've stuck my head down in the hole with the Yanmars at full tilt and wasn't unbearable. From topside conversations are carried on with just over a normal level. Then again, all of the boats that I've been on with the Walkers have had hull side inducted air and heavy sound insulation in the engine space(s).

Best regards,

Patrick

Walker Airsep System

Re: More Progress
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 10 July 2000, at 8:08 p.m. EDT

Chuck, I sorta worried about the noise factor, as they aren't very large. Also, the fact that they are supposed to allow more airflow in made me wonder if they let more noise out. Oh, well. Guess I'll give them a try.

Re: More Progress
springloaded -- 10 July 2000, at 1:20 p.m. EDT

Mike
I put K&N on my boat they came with a metal pipe to keep the heat off of them.I beleive they were made by cummins.I hope you have better luck with them than i did,i took them off.They were so loud you needed ear muffs to run the boat.chuck

Re: units,units,and more units
Russ -- 10 July 2000, at 7:26 a.m. EDT

dug, we use 50sw's spooled with 80# test. we fish 11 roods and carry two spare. if you fish gaints you will 80 or 130's. good luck the tuna are here. russ

Re: units,units,and more units
Russ -- 10 July 2000, at 7:22 a.m. EDT

ray, same as you,wind and sea conditions not to good for off shore work, try this weekend. if you do any thing please let me know as we are fishing the same area. it's always a help if some one is out htere a day or two before you. thanks again russ

Re: More Progress
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 10 July 2000, at 5:19 a.m. EDT

Good idea!

Re: More Progress
SONNY -- 10 July 2000, at 12:52 a.m. EDT

Mike- I installed the K@Ns on my 4btas several months ago. To keep the plastic end that fits over the turbo inlet from getting soft and distorted from the heat ( as was the case with the original paper filters), I went to the muffler shop, purchased two 6" pieces of good quality 3" OD exhaust pipe and had them expand one end to 3" ID ( Hyd. strech machine). The 3" ID fits perfectly over the turbo inlet (I don't even use a clamp) and the filter clamps to the other 3"OD end with a clamp. Secure, won't heat up the plastic, and cost .0006 units ($6). Sonny

Re: More Progress
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 9 July 2000, at 11:49 p.m. EDT

Brian, forgot about the K&N question. I bought them at Performance diesel in Seabrook. They have a rubber end that slides over the tubo inlet, and a regular screw clamp (supplied) tightens them down. Very slick. My son put one of their filters on his truck and swears by it. He got me the cleaning and oiling kit at Hi-Lo for 10 bucks, and I saw pickup truck filters for $50 - the ones for the Cummins were $48.95. The part number was RE-0870 - I may have seen the same filter in Hi-Lo.

Re: More Progress
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 9 July 2000, at 11:03 p.m. EDT

Brian, you bought Don Dunn's old boat, a hardtop that Noe repainted and did work on the top and windows. I looked at it a month or so ago, and I really liked the way they mounted the engines on those I-beams. Didn't know Mr. Dunn, but know a lot of folks that did (he passed away recently). He chartered the boat, and evidently made good money with it. Before the Cummins he had 200 hp Mitsubitsi 6 cylinders in it. Chick Sharp told me Don Dunn was the only person he ever knew who had trouble with 6BT Cummins, and it was because he never changed fuel filters. Ought to be a great boat. A friend down the creek has one just like it with 210's and he says he gets 20 knots at 2000 rpm, tops out at 27 when everything is right.

I didn't get to work on mine today, some friends ran out of fuel 17 miles out in an old 40 Post. I had to take a 34 Uniflight (gas) out to find and tow them in. The boat I was in had no GPS or LORAN, and the radio didn't get out too well, so it was an interesting hunt. We didn't get in until about 5 PM. Guess I'll get that other exhaust hooked up in the evenings this week, since I go back to work tomorrow.

I don't think Vic comes back until August.

Re: units,units,and more units
Dug -- 9 July 2000, at 9:37 p.m. EDT

What are you using for tackle? Are you all fishing with 50 wides? What lbs. test, if you don't mind my asking. I will be new to this, and want to make sure I don't mess up too much!

Thanks,

D

Re: More Progress
Dug -- 9 July 2000, at 9:33 p.m. EDT

Mike,

Right there with you. Actually, both motors got a full day of TLC yesterday (first time from the mechanic that I got a whole uninterrupted day...) and they lit up and sound great. I have 1.5 hours on each now, and need to change out the thermostats, then I will be able to take it out of the slip. Progress is good. There is hope.

I will have it broken in with 20 hours by Wednesday I bet!!!

D

Re: More Progress
brianb -- 9 July 2000, at 5:06 p.m. EDT

Hey mike sounds like things are going great. Where did you get your K&N's and fittings to mount them? I very recently purchased another fixer up 31. The one I bought is at Dos Amigos yard. Do you happen to know anything about the boat? It has cummins 210's and twin disc trans. Any input would be helpful.

One of the hiogh points in my day is reading your posts and Vics. When does he return?

Re: Outriggers & Tag Lines
Chris Wilson -- 9 July 2000, at 2:25 a.m. EDT

Patrick,

Thanks for posting the tip. I really appreciate your help.

Chris

ps - Apple Pie should be in the water soon, I will post a picture shortly.

More Progress
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 8 July 2000, at 11:48 p.m. EDT

Damn, I miss Vic's input on this site! Got my port exhaust all hooked up this morning, should finish the starboard tomorrow and begin pumping that nasty gasoline out of the tank. Went with K&N air filters, look real good. Started hooking up throttle and shift cables. Looks like maybe 2 weeks maximum 'til we light 'em up, could happen sooner! It was flat oofshore here for the past several days. A captain friend ran an older gentleman's 24 Grady White 50 miles out today, said they were doing 39 knots at some points.

Re: units,units,and more units
RayS -- 8 July 2000, at 6:36 a.m. EDT

Russ,

I hope you caught 'em up. As I write this, I sitting on Long Beach Island watching the trees doing some serious bending due to the wind. I was in Atlantic City this morning with good ballyhoo in one hand and sammiches in the other getting ready to run in search of tuna. We called the trip off - the wind is honking here. Hope you're not getting too beat up in the Hudson.

Look forward to your report. We might for the Chicken Canyon tomorrow, but the forecast is stormy. :-(

Ray

Re: units,units,and more units
Russ -- 7 July 2000, at 11:42 a.m. EDT

thanks mike,i'm going out on my buddys 35 ocean should be a fun trip in 3-5 thanks for the info talk to you when i get back monday....russ

Re: units,units,and more units
mike ohlstein -- 7 July 2000, at 11:27 a.m. EDT

Russ,
It's going to blow 20 kts. tomorrow, 3 - 5 footers in the Hudson. I was there last week and had good luck with yellow fins to 53 lbs along the western edge, about 15 miles south of the tip of the cannon. Green was worrking OK, but small black and purple jet heads were best.
Mike

Re: Cold Duck's Hot Fish...
Russ -- 7 July 2000, at 7:29 a.m. EDT

amen on that nice fish

Re: units,units,and more units
Russ -- 7 July 2000, at 7:26 a.m. EDT

ray thanks i'm heading out 3am sat fo hudson i hear they a loading up on yft. it seems that every thing in the ocean eats sand eels. thanks again for the info ,let you know how wedid on monday.... russ

Re: units,units,and more units
Ray S/NJ -- 7 July 2000, at 6:46 a.m. EDT

Guys,

All I can add to the report that may be of help to you is that the Hudson canyon produced a good number of YFT and Albacore. The reports I had from last weekend is that almost every NJ canyon was producing good numbers of YFT. Actually, the fish weren't even in the canyons - most were inside a little. We found ours at the 40 fathom line. Look for ugly, nasty looking gray water. They weren't in blue water. The fish are feeding on sand eels - something I found a little odd as I didn't expect to see sand eels that far off the beach. Learn something new ever time...

Ray

Re: Cold Duck's Hot Fish...
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 6 July 2000, at 8:46 p.m. EDT

Beautiful fish!

Cold Duck's Hot Fish...
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 6 July 2000, at 8:26 p.m. EDT

OK all,

Here's were you can see that slob wahoo that has Jeff of the "Cold Duck" fame so stirred up about!

http://bertram31.com/cold_duck.htm

Nice catch, Jeff! Hope all is nearing finalization on your prize money!

Best regards

Patrick

bertram 31 - bertram31.com images

Georgia State Record Wahoo - 123.2 lbs.

Re: Outriggers & Tag Lines
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 6 July 2000, at 3:16 p.m. EDT

Mike,

Thanks!

Got most of my clerical crap outa' the way, do the rest after I get back from fishing tomorrow.

Spanked the dolphin pretty good yesterday. Had to go a whole 10 miles off shore to find them, (long run for Palm Beachers...). No big ones, all about 10 - 12 lbs, but gobs of 'em. Too much work to troll, so we just set there, out of gear, and chunked 'em with light gear and cut bait.

Sounds like you're getting a handle on how to have big boat space in a small boat. Always a trick!

Flounder poundin' and speck chasin' used to be my favorite pastime in Galveston. Ahhh, the good ole' days when life was simpler and not complicated by boats... Never forget trying to "lip" the first summer flounder I ever caught. About a 6 pounder. Didn't know they had teeth... Damn near de-hided my thumb. Ate him just to show him who was really da' boss.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Outriggers & Tag Lines
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 6 July 2000, at 1:49 p.m. EDT

Patrick, good info. I remember someone commenting about removing that "useless" closet space between the main cabin and vee berth area awhile back. I put my A/C unit (compressor, anyway) in the one on the starboard side, now I'm cutting into the port side from the dinette. The dinette berth is only about 5 feet long, so I'm effectively adding 1 1/2 feet to it to make it actually useable. Under the "berth" (still in the closet) is where the battery charger will be mounted, so I can access its control panel through the closet door. When the seats are up, the area behind the backrest will store bedding, and there will still be a small storage area above. When it's done, I'll send photos. I know I should be working on the engines, but I've been thinking about this for a long time. Got bored this morning and fished a while off the end of the dock. Caught a 26 inch flounder for supper tonight!

Re: Outriggers & Tag Lines
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 6 July 2000, at 12:07 p.m. EDT

Chris, Mike, et all,

I was rather bored with my schedule of things that needed to be done today, so to make things feel more creatively productive, I took a few hours and added a web section on tag lines... Doesn't seem to much info about tag lines out there on the web, so Chris, "This Bud's For You"!

http://usamarine.net/cc/proj/tips/tag_lines.htm

Editorial comments, corrections, and input welcome.

Now I can go do my other chores without feeling that the day was consumed entirely with the mundane.

Best regards,

Patrick

TAG LINES - Rigging and Fishing

Perfect Storm
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 6 July 2000, at 8:42 a.m. EDT

We saw the movie yesterday. Definitely make you want to wait for a smooth forcast before your next offshore trip! Other than a few hokey things added for the average viewer and glorifying longlining too much, damn good movie! Anytime I can see boats and water on screen they have a much better chance of getting my money - plus, I'm sure I'll get a few columns out of this one.

Re: It is happening...slowly!
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 6 July 2000, at 8:38 a.m. EDT

Good Luck!!I'd like to fish mine in a tournament the last weekend in July. Failing that, need to get it going by my 50th birthday, August 11. That would be a great B-day present!

My wife told me yesterday that this web site had become an obscession. Told her it was better for her than if I took up hanging in topless bars, going to the dog track, or playing the lottery.

Re: It is happening...slowly!
Dug -- 5 July 2000, at 10:59 p.m. EDT

Should be Thursday morning or Friday afternoon, as I have an interview on Friday morning in Boston.

Keep your fingers crossed for me, and I will for you!

D

Re: Bert 28 and 31
Richard A. Miller -- 5 July 2000, at 4:14 p.m. EDT

Also the I think the 28 had a slightly convex shape to the sides of the V, while the V sections of the 31 are straighter. This gave the 28 a softer ride than one would expect from an 8800 pound boat, but it soaked up power. I went several hundred miles on a 28 FBC, and the cruising speed with the 351s was barely 20 knots at 3200. In 1977 a friend with a 28 ran side by side with my 31 from Coral Gables to Chubb Key, and by the time we got there his engines needed open heart surgery. Also, as the previous writer pointed out, the 28 is much more tender laterally than the 31. But the cabin is actually bigger inside.

Re: units,units,and more units
Russ -- 5 July 2000, at 1:58 p.m. EDT

thanks ric, do the machine screws that hold the s/s cap strip to the aluminum rub rail bolt to the in side of the boat? their location is about the head,i hope i can get to them inside the cabinet in the head. i had no idea that the rub rail was part of the bonding system(great boat.) also since i'am going tuna fishing next week end is there any more to that tuna report? thanks again for all the help..... russ

Re: units,units,and more units
Ric -- 5 July 2000, at 9:25 a.m. EDT

hey russ hows it going
if the screws are in the stern.,the back deck panel has to come out, if the broken screws are on the sides between the stern and the galley bulkhead wall.,you should have access thru the cutouts .,or take'em off(SIDEPANELS,.,. behind the sett'ee you might reach them thru the openings on the port wall..,.,and the starboard side well icebox has to come out.,.,just be careful,.,.,.as the screws holding the rubrail at the (break) of the adjoining rub rail.,have a little bond #10 wire white behind the nut of your broken head that bonds the the hole rubrail as 1 piece to itself and the hull bonding plate
I found a couple of sheet metal screws in mine that somebody had hogged out and replaced but they were not at the rubrail break but the majority of them are nut and bolt and can probably be punched out with a punch .,.,or worked out from the inside.,and then replaced new.,,.look close you will see them.,.,harpooners closed out 280 fish.,.,54 metric tons,.,.,.in 30 days.,.,over 20 of them snotty and unfavorables conditions.,10 days of blitz.,,..,.,did you hear that comment from ray ,,that the fish are 65 miles out off of New jersey.,.,well they are 65 miles due east of here on phippinees.,.,.,.,.,gives credence to the scientific data(speculation) put forth in his book bluefin tuna
by Doug wynott professor at Mount Holyoak college a book about the cape cod, newburyport mass and downeast Maniacs.,., stick boys who started and founded CAPE QUALITY TUNA,to deal with the sushi people over the big (pond).,that when they rise.,they rise along the whole coast.,i dont know about that.,but ray says there 65 miles out and everybody is hookin up.,and they slauhtered them here 65 miles out.,whats that? 100 200 miles away.,.,.,sounds like a big school
keep at it .,we'll get to the show

ric

units,units,and more units
Russ -- 5 July 2000, at 8:55 a.m. EDT

spent the weekend fishing,great fun,was going out tuesday and lost the radar and floscan make a call to the spark chaser. also poped the heads on two screws on the s/s rub rail screws still in aluminum . any ideas on how to remove same, i don't think drilling and using a easy out will work, drill new holes ? thanks russ

Re: Outriggers & Tag Lines
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 5 July 2000, at 8:47 a.m. EDT

Chris, the only thing I would add to Patrick's definition is that when we use tag line for marlin fishing in Texas, we run the tag line through an eye on the regular outrigger clip, so the tag line (and lure) can be deployed and retrieved using the regular outrigger lanyard. I always used snap swivels on the ends, with # 8 or 10 rubber bands looped around the fishing line, but most folks started going to the dacron because tag lines will often "snap" back into the cockpit after a strong strike breaks the rubber.

Re: Bert 28 and 31
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 5 July 2000, at 8:41 a.m. EDT

From my experiance, the 28 planes easier, with less hp required - most were originally powered with 350 Chevys or 351 Fords. The 28 is a great little boat, but because it sits higher in the water (looks like a mini 33 or 35 to me) it is much more prone to rolling in big seas at rest or at trolling speeds. I owned a 24 foot boat that was a "pop" off the 28 hull, and it was an excellent performer, but it wasn't a flybridge so it didn't has the weight distribution problem.

Re: Outriggers & Tag Lines
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 5 July 2000, at 6:30 a.m. EDT

Chris,

The outrigger lines are the adjustable lines with the clips that you use for light weight baits and slower trolling. The tag lines are a fixed length of line attached directly to the rigger, usually at the spreader junction and have either a large snap ring or length of Dacron line that is used to secure the fishing line.

The tag lines allow you fish much heavier lures and at higher speeds since a heavy rubber band is employed to secure the fishing line to the end of the tag line. When the fish strikes the rubber band breaks away.

The other advantage of the tag lines is that because of their length and placement a lower and less angular configuration is developed in the spread. This allows for a shorter drop back when the fish strikes, giving a quicker hook set and less time for the fish to spit the bait.

Generally only gear of 50# and higher is fished from the tag lines.

Best regards,

Patrick

Outriggers & Tag Lines
Chris Wilson -- 5 July 2000, at 4:02 a.m. EDT

Could anyone enlighten me ?

What is the difference between outrigger lines and outrigger tag lines ?

Thanks
Chris

Bert 28 and 31
Jack -- 4 July 2000, at 11:17 p.m. EDT

I am looking for some information regarding the major differences ( other than the obvious ) between the 28 and 31. Handling characteristics etc. How comparable are the hulls from a seworthy standpoint.

Re: Cajun Bluefin tuna
SONNY -- 4 July 2000, at 6:13 p.m. EDT

Vic- What Airline and flt. # are you taking? Also the date. Sonny

Re: Carribean Boats
Carlos Sucre -- 4 July 2000, at 2:36 a.m. EDT

Nice Sonny
I wouldnot take anything of till trying them.
I Have trim tabs so dont think 2" from rudders ll make difference for fishing in my boat.
Even after you try them not sure if you can predict what will happen with 2" less.
wll be waiting for your report
Thanks
Carlos

Re: Cajun Bluefin tuna
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 3 July 2000, at 6:47 p.m. EDT

Mike and Vic,

Do it the nerdy way... http://www.baldwinfilter.com/

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Cajun Bluefin tuna
Vic Roy -- 3 July 2000, at 6:00 p.m. EDT

Mike - sounds like good progress. Don't forget to double clamp the exhaust fittings, like I need to tell you that. I'm at home and the Balwin numbers are on my office computer. My dealer here had to order them and it took a week so you might want to call around. As I remember, it was pretty eary for them to find in the Baldwin book.

Since I'll be gone for a good wihile, if you can't find the numbers, call Tamra Vinson, a lawyer in my office, and tell her to look on my computer under wp51\personal\boat\31\filters, and it should be there in the "air" file. Tell here you are one of my Kool-aid buddies. In fact, I'll send her an email right now and introduce you. Office number is 800 260 9908.

I expect sea trial results when I get back towards the end of the month. I'll try to find a computer over there and check on you guys.

Keep on truckin'.

vic

Re: Cajun Bluefin tuna
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 3 July 2000, at 5:21 p.m. EDT

Vic, got my turbos hooked up to the intakes, got all new fuel lines and returns run and plumbed, order some 5" rubber 90's to finish the exhausts. The doctot told me to stay off work another 3 weeks, but I'm afraid they'd start spying on me and catch me doing boat work. Probably go back in on Monday on very light duty. My bud is supposed to help me a coupkle of days this week, and my 19 year old son is suppoed to come down this weekedn to help, so should get some progress made. What is the number of the Bladwin air filters you use, if you have it handy?

Re: Cajun Bluefin tuna
Vic Roy -- 3 July 2000, at 4:08 p.m. EDT

Get after it, Joe - cat't catch 'em at the dock. This internet is a wonder - I needed a couple of minor parts for my ZF gears, like a bracket for the shift cable and a new lever. Got on the ZF site, i.d.ed the parts, called the nearest dealer, put them on a card, and had them ship directly to my mechanic to fix while I'm overseas. Probably won't get to fish until mid-August since I have to spend some lawyer-dribble time in San Diego when we gat back from over the pond. Leaving in the morning, and son - Uncle Vic be ready.

See ya.

Vic

Re: "Andrea Gail"
RayS -- 3 July 2000, at 4:01 p.m. EDT

Cap'n Patrick,

Flint was, without a doubt, Da Man! ;-)

A gub'ment with deep pockets you say??? I'm sure we'd all be amazed by what they/we are working on when it comes to artificial intelligence...

On another note, I never did drop a note on the Ishgair for you like I said I would - the wife made me go to a bunch of weddings, Christenings and 1 or 2 year-old birthday parties this year. Ugh. So, I didn't get to the island as much as I had hoped to. I saw her (Ishgair not my wife) today, and I'll try to drop something off tomorrow. I was in Atlantic City yesterday and saw another famed 31 from this board as she came in: Babu.

I fished yesterday in a spot about 65-70 miles from Atlantic City. Saw one B31 and one Bert 28 out there. Everyone was hooking up. :-)

Later,

Ray

Re: Cajun Bluefin tuna
joe amato -- 3 July 2000, at 2:34 p.m. EDT

Vic

Nice cod. My understanding is that some of them spawn in the gulf. Between that pic, your blue and the stick boats up here slaughtering them, I've got the fever bad. And its not just from the fiberglass. I've just got to get the windows and gas tank out, and I can start on the construction phase. Hope to have her done so I can chase some giants and yellowfin next summer.

Joe

Re: "Andrea Gail"
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 3 July 2000, at 6:00 a.m. EDT

Ray,

Thanks for pointing this out. Man, they damn sure look real. I've been sport fishing for billfish for nearly 20 years and have seen a fair amount of swords, primarily in the Yucan channel off of Cozamel and Akamal. Never been fooled by a fake fish before. Amazing what they can do with digital effects noways. Makes you kind of afraid to believe anything you might see. Especially if the source has the coin to afford the technology. A government for example...

The mako was pretty obviously a fake. Where was Flint when they needed him!

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: "Andrea Gail"
RayS -- 3 July 2000, at 12:52 a.m. EDT

Cap'n Patrick,

I believe the swords they used in the film were "animatronic". There was something about it on the web site the last time I was there: http://www.perfectstorm.net. There was a disclaimer that said "No actual fish were harmed in the making of this film... blah blah blah...". Apparently, the director took a pretty firm stance to this end.

I haven't seen the movie yet - I just got back in from a day of picking yellowfins. The good-sized ones are a little early off NJ this year. :-) We trolled up 7 in the 60lb class. The schools were amazing and swam with the boat for while. It was truly a sight to behold.

I have however, seen the longliner that was "twisted" in the storm. The Allison still shows where things don't line up quite like they used to. It is amazing that a steel boat could be wrenched like that.

Regards,
Ray

Re: Perfect Storm
Capt. Tony -- 3 July 2000, at 12:50 a.m. EDT

The air temp on the water is rarely above 65, and the surface temp right now is probably 48. It gets to about 54 in August, we are lucky enough to get the japan current running through the lower Cook Inlet. We do NOT have a humidity problem.

Re: Cajun Bluefin tuna
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 2 July 2000, at 10:59 p.m. EDT

Uncle Vic,

Odds are I cropped it out to get more of you and less of LA... {EG}

Have fun!

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Cajun Bluefin tuna
Vic Roy -- 2 July 2000, at 10:20 p.m. EDT

Yessir - old coonass learn somthin' every day. Drop your old white tennis shorts on command, and don't forget to put the http:// (did I do it right?) in front of your www. Sort of like learning morse code - don't make no sense, but that's the way it works. ...---...

Chaos in the Roy household - one of the cats was just found diggin' in the wife's already packed carryon bags and screwed it all up. Now have the hair curlers in my bag. Uncle Vic gonna look pretty po' what with one pair of shorts and a couple of shirts. Jeeeeze - I need a vacation from this upcoming vacation. On the other hand, I probably will do ok, since I am, in fact, easily entertained.

Hey Stan - Snow is bugging me for the tape, and wnats to have still shot off it to put up on the walls of the Sinking Houseboat. If you get it finsihesed while I'm gone, just send it to the office, 2355 Drusilla Lane, B.R. 70809, attn Snow, and he will take it from there. After he gets a new battery in my wife's car, which died today. I had to go jump it off and could not find the battery. Found a sticker under the hood that said "battery is under rear seat". Turns out - in te rain, reading the g.d. owner's manual - that there is a jump-off terminal under the hood. Germans, they think of everything. Jumped it off and followed her home, put the charger on it, checked the voltage, and the alternator was working fine, but the zillion dollor car's battery was dead; would not take a charge and would drop from 13.5 to 11 in about 3 min. Job for Snow next week. Assuming he can figure out how to tear the rear seat out to get to the battery, 'cause I could not. I'm gonna write my congressman and tell him we need a law that all cars sold in the US must have the g.d. battery under the hood where you can get to it. Especially cars that cost more than 50K Units. Sheeeet.

Enough of me, I'm even tired of me rambling.

By the way (sorry, I'm not that tired) I looked at the pix of my boat on the images section and could not find the weigh station at Port Eads, and remembered that when we took that pix it was right after a shrimp boat that was anchored arcross the pass broke loose and took out the weigh station tower. We since built it back.

Bon Soire.

Vic

Re: Cajun Bluefin tuna
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 2 July 2000, at 9:45 p.m. EDT

Uncle Vic,

Better do as she says! You know the two most important words in a domestic relationship.. "Yes Dear".

Just remember to put the http:// in front of your www.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Cajun Bluefin tuna
Vic Roy -- 2 July 2000, at 8:34 p.m. EDT

Capt. Patrick - you over this coonass's head. You the compter Man, I be the catchin' Man. Those guys on the Done Deal are hard core, and have been for years. I saw them hang up a 700 blue marlin one night at the same place after the weather had run most of us in. They were pretty beat up, with a windshield caved in, etc.

Gotta fish where they live, and must be present to win. Plus, gotta have faith in having done it before.

Uncle Vic - my wife just came in my shop and wanted me to give her my favorite white shorts so she could Maytag them so I would look good over the pond, instead of wearing dirty shorts in front of folks I would never see again. Figure.

She's my veneer of class, I guess. Oh well, drop the shorts, and turn down the air conditioning.

Re: Cajun Bluefin tuna
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 2 July 2000, at 8:09 p.m. EDT

Uncle Vic,

Nice tuna for sure... BTW if you add "http://"; to your posted urls they'll become hot links directly from the page... ie: http://www.rodnreel.com/uploadpics/temp/P0000839.jpg

You can also paste in the image link and URL in the "Optional" boxes below the "Message" box. Be sure to give the URL a title of some sort so that it appears on the posted page..

Best regards,

Patrick

bertram 31 - bertram31.com images

Re: It is happening...slowly!
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 2 July 2000, at 7:21 p.m. EDT

Dug, you and I are at the same spot, except I have to finish my exhaust. Need to order 4 very expensive rubber exhaust 90's in 5" ID. With that, and modifying my engine boxes, I'll be ready to fire 'em up!

Re: Venice Fishing reports
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 2 July 2000, at 7:18 p.m. EDT

Looked at mine again, they are Trident blue silicon exhaust hose with red insides - but still expensive. I used a Goodyear fuel line that is rated for 300psi and Coast Guard approved - it was $1.22/foot for 1/2" ID.

Vic, I think you're right about the difference bewteen 210 and 250 hp, will probably plumb in an aftercooler when Frank gets his ready for testing.

Cajun Bluefin tuna
Vic Roy -- 2 July 2000, at 5:42 p.m. EDT

Hey - all you cod fishermen in Yankeeland! Deep dark secret - bulefin tuna inhabit the Gulf. I have hooked two, and am 0 for 2, but take a look at the 751 some guys I know took out of the South Pass of the Miss river last week. www.rodnreel.com - and take a look at the "post your photos" section under June 27. The pix is at the New Orleans Big Game Club dock at Port Eads, just inside South Pass. If you look at the pix of my "Another Joy" in the images section, you will see the weigh station by the lighthouse. Lotta sushi.

Uncle Vic

Re: It is happening...slowly!
Dug -- 2 July 2000, at 11:32 a.m. EDT

Well, Yesterday after a lot of running around, I got the raw water feeds connected, the fuel lines connected, the oil change pump lines connected and the bilge vacuumed. "All" that is left is a little bit of cooling plumbing, gauges hooked up, batteries hooked up, and shafts aligned. Next week is looking really likely, as long as nothing else lets go...

Re: Venice Fishing reports
Dug -- 2 July 2000, at 11:29 a.m. EDT

It is interesting that when I did my reconditioning, I had a friend who insisted that I go with Aeroquip fuel lines all through out the boat. When I found out what the stuff cost, I almost had to change my pants... I figured I could replace the fuel lines three times over with the Shields stuff and still not come close to the price for the aeroquip.

I have used it on my oil coolers and a couple more places on the motors this past couple of weeks, but nothing like the runs that would have needed to be made for the fuel feed hoses. Maybe next time. I know a bit more now, and can probably have the family business buy the stuff next time around. It was like $3.50 per foot plus connectors or something ridiculous... I don't exactly remember. All I do remember is screaming "are you crazy!!!" at my friend!

D

Re: Venice Fishing reports
Vic Roy -- 2 July 2000, at 9:20 a.m. EDT

Mike - the aftercoolers on my 250's are on the left side of the engine and are tall and skinny. They provide free power as hot air is thin; the air heats up when it's compressed by the turbo, and cooling it dwon increases the density, viz mo' power.

It's my understanding that about the only difference between the 6bta 210 and the 250 is the addition of an aftercooler, so 40 hp for free.

We are packing up to leave Tues am. You ought to see my wife trying to get all her crap in two carry on bags.

Vic

Re: Venice Fishing reports
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 2 July 2000, at 8:36 a.m. EDT

Looked at the after cooler on a 270 hp Cummins, it was different than the others I'd seen. Seemed to be built into the intake manifolding. The lasy one I saw mounted on the left hand side of the engine and was a lot larger. The one's Frank id building mount behind the engine, probably directly on the turbo outlet. Don't know if I need these things are not - probably not.

Re: Blue Marlin Made Easy...?
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 2 July 2000, at 8:32 a.m. EDT

The 300's ought to make it fly! I really hope I can get some time off in the early fall to visit Vic. I used to love that area (South Louisiana), but never got to Venice. I worked in Baton Rouge/New Orleans for a few years, grew up on the TX/LA border, and ran around with some coon ass musicians in my younger days- really love the cajun culture. Also think I'd love the fishing off South Pass. Had a couple of chances to fish the Chandeleurs, but didn't get to go there yet, either.

Re: Blue Marlin Made Easy...?
stan -- 1 July 2000, at 8:52 p.m. EDT

Hey Capt. Mike, I'm repowering with 300 Yanmars. I plan to keep my boat in good company with Uncle Vic's during most of the year & would like to find a nice slip somewhere near Houma for those "west" trips.
Stan

Re: Venice Fishing reports
Vic Roy -- 1 July 2000, at 8:48 p.m. EDT

Mike - I smoke Kools, so I qualify.

Packing up for the trip over the big pond. 72 degree highs where we going. AAAAAAIIIIIIEEEEEE!!! Coonass hit the big time.

Uncle Vic

Re: Carribean Built 4 BERTRAM Boats
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 1 July 2000, at 7:34 p.m. EDT

I was sure I'd seen some of the same information. Bit pricey, though, ain't they?

Re: Venice Fishing reports
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 1 July 2000, at 7:32 p.m. EDT

That's what I got, and it sure wasn't cheap. Wanted something from the turbos to the manifolds that wouldn't come apart and end up in the cylinders. Spent some time this morning looking at a professional installation of 270hp 6BTA's in a friend's 35 Bertram. Saw some things I liked, some weren't that much better than mine.

Re: Venice Fishing reports
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 1 July 2000, at 7:30 p.m. EDT

Wish I could get the Bud people to sponsor a tournament boat! Tried to get the local Bud folks to sponsor a concert years ago, they told me I was of the wrong ethnic group.

Re: Carribean Built 4 BERTRAM Boats
captdana -- 1 July 2000, at 5:33 p.m. EDT

hI EVERYONE---I am in shock that as freshwater 28 owner that I might know the answer to the Carribean question--I contacted Carribean(international marine) 300 sw 7th ave, ft lauderdale about there boats.they advertised--"Looks like a Bertram, it was a bertram, but know it's even better and more affordable. Carribean, built by intl. marine, has been building Bertrams since 1965 under license. Now the company is independent and is sellind boats worldwide." I pulled this out of my file cabinet(i received a letter from them in late 1994.--They showed the boats at the Lauderdale show that year. lineup included at 23'$55,000 , 26' $77,000 28' $119,000(with a nice pulpit), 32'(like a 33 sportfish) $148,000, 35' $212,000 and a 45' (like a 46 bert) for $558,000)--i have copies of the brochure--just email me at danaeb@novagate.net

Re: Venice Fishing reports
Dug -- 1 July 2000, at 11:19 a.m. EDT

The Blue Hose is Aeroquip. Good stuff!! Not cheap at least in my area, but good stuff...

Re: Venice Fishing reports
Vic Roy -- 1 July 2000, at 11:08 a.m. EDT

Mike - Capt. Brent is getting pretty well known, and his TV show must be doing good since the Bud people are now sponsoring it. Must have known I drink the stuff.

We are fixing to take Capt. Brent's 3 year old son to the pool - he swims like a fish.

Sounds like you are coming along. I started using the "blue" hose on the coolant lines, since it lasts forever and only costs a little more. I think Goodyear makes it for 18 wheelers.

Saw your question to Capt. Tony about water temp; this week the blue water was a perfect 84; in the p.m. the green water was 89.

Time to hit the pool.

See ya.

Vic

Venice Fishing reports
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 1 July 2000, at 10:01 a.m. EDT

Vic, I write a "technical" column for a little magazine out of Boutte, LA, of all places. (I used to go to Boutte to do plant service work for Shell, - ain't much there). They have very good fishing reports from your area, and one of the sources is Capt. Brent Roy! How about that? Heading to the diesel store this morning to get air filters, high temp hose for between the turbos and intake manifolds, and a few fuel line fittings. Gettin' there!

Re: Perfect Storm
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 1 July 2000, at 9:01 a.m. EDT

What kind of air/water temperatures do you have up there this time of year? In Texas we're into the 90's already. In late summer our surface water temps sometimes near 90. The deeper water with fish doesn't suffer, but it's hell on engine coolant at times!

Re: INSURANCE
Emil -- 1 July 2000, at 6:01 a.m. EDT

I got the insurance from BOAT U S thanks for the help ,Emil

Re: "Andrea Gail"
Wayne -- 1 July 2000, at 2:11 a.m. EDT

DITTO....Just got back really a thrilling movie 2 thumbs up . heard they did the calm shot in Dana Point Ca. normal day here.

Re: Perfect Storm
Capt. Tony -- 1 July 2000, at 1:02 a.m. EDT

I hope the movie does not cheapen the loss that occured on the North Atlantic . The Coast guard has never had enough money, and my respect they will always have. To put a helicopter up from Kodiak Island in the dead of winter to fish some poor souls out of 30 footers and 60 knots....... There is no appropriate pay scale for that.

The Falcon is running great, changed the oil last night. ran 55 miles one way today, and caught chickens. Oh well, tommorow is another day. We have 24 feet of water changing hands tommorrow in 6 hours, and the big one is two days away.
It is AWESOME!!!
From the great Cook Inlet,
Capt. Tony

Re: Perfect Storm
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 30 June 2000, at 11:11 p.m. EDT

Have a lot of respect for the C.G., and friends wearing that uniform, but there's no way in hell the U.S. armed forces, coasties and Navy, would have spent that much time and money lloking for me an' Uncle Vic - that I promise.

Re: Engine Check intervals while underway?
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 30 June 2000, at 9:30 p.m. EDT

{EG}

Know the kind of guy you've described... Guess that Ben Franklin said it best: Moderation in all things, including moderation.

Guess it wouldn't hurt to tone the red down to dark maroon...

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Engine Check intervals while underway?
Vic Roy -- 30 June 2000, at 9:16 p.m. EDT

Amen, Patrick. Use common sense. If you know the boat, like it's your boat, you know how it runs, how it sounds, how the port temp gague runs up and down sometimes, how the voltmeters act, but mostly, you know how the boat feels. If it feels heavy, you look in the cockpit to see if the it's underwater. If it smells bad, like burned electrical, you check that.

On the other hand, checking a good boat too often will lead to the temtation to fix what ain't borke, which leads to the tighten what ain't loose, loosen what ain't tight, and generally over screw with good marine engineering.

A guy in our big game fishing club used to tighten his shaft logs with a g.d. monkey wrench 3 feet long twice a day. Burned both shafts, since he could not visualize that water coming around the shaft - yep - that dribble comes in the boat and has to be pumped out by and by - cools the shaft, lubricates the stuffing box, etc. Same guy wanted to outlaw using 6 lb test line on 80-W's. Can you imagine how long 6 lb would last on a 80? Poorly thought out worry.

I figured you could put maybe 4,000 yards of 6 lb on a 80. You ever tried to set the drag on a 80 at under about 15 lb? Impossible with the size of the drag plates and the set of the drag cam.

Point being, - I forgot what the point was, but it was important.

Capt. Patrick, I'm at the bottom of the page, and I see your red "NO ALL CAPS" warning. You can take it off, since Sonny quit. It worked.

Uncle Vic

Re: Engine Check intervals while underway?
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 30 June 2000, at 8:54 p.m. EDT

Dug,

With me, it depends on the boat as to how often I do routine underway checks, and of what.

On a boat that I'm very intimate with, and know the maintenance schedule has be been rigorously followed, my checks are fairly infrequent, relying on the various monitoring gauges, alarms, my ears, (for slight changes in normal noises), an eye out for increases in exhaust haze, and a feel for how the boat is trimmed and keeping the sea. On these boats, I've been known to only do an engine room and bilge check two or three times in a ten hour run.

On other boats, especially one's I'm not familiar with, (usually boats that are being delivered here, there, or yon), I do very regular checks, usually around every hour. Some of these boats I may have never seen before climbing onboard and preparing to get underway. Freshly re-powered, overhauled, or structurally repaired boats get this same treatment, even if I am familiar with them.

No boat leaves the dock without a fairly good survey of the present conditions. Any minor concerns are logged for later attention, anything more serious, such as heavily rusted or broken hose clams, (and worse), get attended to before I'll even crank the engines. Had a customer or two get pissed off before because I refused to get underway until something was fixed...

Then also, you can never be faulted for being overly vigilant. If you're going to err, err on the side of safety...

Best regards,

Patrick

Engine Check intervals while underway?
Dug -- 30 June 2000, at 7:59 p.m. EDT

Hi all,

Quick question. I know that commercial fisherman and other commercial boats usually check the engine room every hour. This is for leaks, etc. (this is particularly noted in Linda Greenlaw's book about her time swordfishing). I am writing to find out if any of you do a regular check when you are running on anything of distance. I never have to do this with an outboard, which is what I have spent the most time in front of in my life. If you are running offshore or on a good cruise, do you run down and crack the engine hatches? Just curious.

Thanks...

"Andrea Gail"
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 30 June 2000, at 7:48 p.m. EDT

Well Guys,

Just got back from viewing "The Perfect Storm" and it was everything I'd hoped it would be... A well done flick with only a very few moments of imagination stretch. Since nobody will ever know what actually transpired on the Andrea Gail, the writers had full artistic license. Clooney was depicted in one scene out on a flopper stopper with a cutting torch. Only a true land-lubber could have swallowed that sequence...

But all and all the film is a "Must See" item that's pretty awesome! For those of you who haven't experienced a big, bad sea, let's hope this is as close as you'll get. Usually books & novels paint a better picture that the movie, but since there is really no plot line here, the two don't conflict. And NO book will ever paint a better picture of a storm the way this flick did!

Special effects were excellent and hard to tell from what it is in the real... My encounter with anything over 16' and 30knts, was in '63 or '64 riding out the outskirts of a class one on a 455' APA courtesy of Uncle Sam, (cousin and benefactor of Unle Vic's?). We were in 50-60 knts wind and seas approaching 30'... This flick brought back some vivid memories of standing watch on the wheel, watching a few of the bigger sets breaking over the focs'l as we'd get caught properly in a trough. Sure wouldn't want to be there on a 31, tough as the are...

Some great swordfish scenes, even if the Andrea Gail was a frickin' long liner... No special effects here. Real boat, real fish, real good action.

May have to go back and see it again... Something I haven't done in at least 20 years.

Best regards,

Patrick

bertram 31 - bertram31.com images

Re: Perfect Storm
Dug -- 30 June 2000, at 7:44 p.m. EDT

Yeah, that will work well until someone starts shooting at them...

Re: Perfect Storm
Dug -- 30 June 2000, at 7:43 p.m. EDT

See and they would have used the budget to look for any plane that went down, as a matter of fact they repeated it again when another plane went down in the fall (not the Swissair one...). Regardless, they do not have enough money.

Re: Blue Marlin Made Easy...?
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 30 June 2000, at 6:48 p.m. EDT

Vic, I keep saying, you don't own a boat like the 31, you just get to take care of it during your turn. These vessels will be around longer than any of us. Enjoying them and the friendship of others of like mind is a rare pleasure, the kind of thing that sometimes keeps us from sticking a gun in our mouth! Actually, there are even boat people with vessels other than 31's who are great to hand around with (of course, they are all envious of us!). When you have to go back and deal with the "other" world outside of boating and fishing, - what a waste of good time.

What's Stan repowering with, and what's his home port, - I forget. (I forget a lot of things lately!)

Re: Blue Marlin Made Easy...?
Vic Roy -- 30 June 2000, at 5:56 p.m. EDT

Hey guys - I know most of you are gone for the weekend, but since I'm Whooshing out next week, I gotta tell you something about Stan. He and I talked on the phone once or twice about the fishing trip, and he asked what kind of beer I drank. He calls on his cell phone at 5:30 am that he's on the road, so we don't leave him on the dock. Then he walks down the dock with a case of Uncle Vic's Bud. My Kind Of Man. Then gives me a bottle of good whiskey. A B31 Man For Sure. Knows the price of admission.

I hate to sound corny (like I give a s--t what you think about me), but meeting guys like Stan, having them join me and my old buddies on what turned out to be a great fishing trip - I would almost say it don't get no better than that. If he had brought a couple of blonde hood ornaments, maybe, but maybe next trip.

Point is - Capt. Patrick has created a vehicle where we can do our deal, which by all accounts, is making friends and sharing info. By the way, I interrogated Stan on his repower, and he is doing it right. He will be running soon, and I expect an invite. Since I know what kind of beer he drinks, I will bring the price of admission.

You guys have a nice weekend. The B31 Rules, and will rule forever - that's my lifetime, not yours.

Uncle Vic

Re: INSURANCE
Tommy -- 30 June 2000, at 10:06 a.m. EDT

Uncle Vic,
I'd say that you are both (a) and (b). Was there a (c) option in there? Congratulations!
Tommy

Re: Blue Marlin Made Easy...?
stan -- 30 June 2000, at 9:12 a.m. EDT

Hey Capt.Pat, I procured a couple of 50w's w\standup penn rods a couple of years ago & have buddies with "extra" 80's that they'd probably sell. With diving, you miss some of the social aspects of the trip. You tend to limit your conversations while blowing bubbles. It's one of the many reasons for getting the 31. Im used to 2 divers & myself on my Mako23 & theres not a whole lot of room for anything else.
Stan.

Re: Titanium Tower?
Jeff -- 30 June 2000, at 8:55 a.m. EDT

A good friend and client in Savannah (who fishes his 31 Blackfin named PMS, the name of his business is Precision Machine of Savannah)machines the engine mounts for the Gulfstream G5 out of solid titanium. He buys 1200 lb billets of solid titanium from Russia (melted down Russian subs), cuts the billet in half, and machines two 48 lb engine mounts out of the 1200 lb billet. Don't won't to tell you how much he sells the mounts for to Gulfstream. He made my custom PMS teaser reels for me, machined out of solid stainless steel. They're works of art. He made one set for me, his boat, and a 47 Viking, all at no charge, I could't have afforded them any other way. His main work is areospace, but I'm trying to convince him to market his teaser reels to the boat mgf's, like Rybovich, Merrit, Viking, etc. Much better than what there using now!

Re: Perfect Storm
Russ -- 30 June 2000, at 8:09 a.m. EDT

the book was great,hope the movie is half as good.about the coasties,they do a great job, now that they have taken their m-16,s away and they don't think every boarding is drug bust. russ

Re: Carribean Boats
SONNY -- 30 June 2000, at 1:36 a.m. EDT

Carlos- Re/ the rudders we discussed last fall. I just installed them on my boat. Will let you know in 30 days how they work. General Propellor of Bradenton, FL. told me they have made several sets from my posting here and have had great replies. They are made if 316 SS, and cost about $650 US. I havent used mine yet but they are beautiful craftmanship. Mine protrude about 2" aft of the stern. Might have that 2" taken off for fishing. What do you think?

Re: Diesel tank?
SONNY -- 30 June 2000, at 1:17 a.m. EDT

Jeff- About finished with what has become a major unit rehab. Wife may divorce cause she thinks I lied when I told her last year the boat was finished and she could buy all the dresses and shoes she want's. I have made a lot of improvements to my boat from the flybridge to the rudders. I hope to have everything completed by Aug. 1st. To move my genset to the stb. would require just below another re-wireing job. We used barbell weights ( believe, haven't touched them in years). Am going to install a 15 gal. water tank for my cockpit "Sonny Mister".The difference was 130 lbs. That was with an empty galley and head. Hope to take pictures to post late July.

Re: Titanium Tower?
SONNY -- 30 June 2000, at 12:13 a.m. EDT

Agree with Carlos and Vic. Sonny

Re: Diesel tank?
Carlos Sucre -- 29 June 2000, at 11:59 p.m. EDT

I also placed my 4.2kw Entec diesel gen in between the engines . Also have to duck a little to get in the cabin but easy access, dry location and no listing.I am happy. My 31 is diesel.
Carlos

Re: Uncle Vic returneth
stan -- 29 June 2000, at 11:58 p.m. EDT

Done deal Uncle Vic. Got bent looks from the girlfriend for the two hours I spent oblivious to anything else while editing & copying that tape. Forgot about the whales we saw. Snow looked good on film, I'd lost mad lootcake bettin on that battle. Don't forget to tell the pilot to sychronize. See ya

Re: Carribean Boats
Carlos Sucre -- 29 June 2000, at 11:45 p.m. EDT

In Venezuela in the late 80's a local boat company called Profina said they bought the original Bertram 28 molds and built several 28's. I almost bought one from them.
They only looked like a Bertram
Carlos

Re: Diesel tank?
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 29 June 2000, at 11:29 p.m. EDT

That's where mine was supposed to go, but they never got it in. I use the old lock on the head door inside of nine miles trick, recommended by a buddy in the Coast Guard. Heard a guy complain years ago that it was dumb to have it illegal to flush to the Gulf in state waters, but perfectly Ok to just "hand over the side" - same result, he thought. Gonna put my genset outboard of the starboard engine on the ledge somebody built for a holding tank. Until I can find a better place, I'll ask all my "beer drinkers" to do their own holding!

Re: Perfect Storm
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 29 June 2000, at 11:20 p.m. EDT

I thought it was interesting to read recently that the Coasties at Woods hole were not able to do much other than emergency rescue, since they spent all their budget looking for the Kennedy plane.

Re: Government Snafus
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 29 June 2000, at 11:18 p.m. EDT

Thanks, I'll give it a try. By the way, our rescheduled Watermelon Open was won by a 455 Lb Blue - paid $56,000.

Re: Titanium Tower?
Vic Roy -- 29 June 2000, at 9:52 p.m. EDT

Hey Carlos - I'm with you. Not possible, unless it's the shortest tower ever built. The stuff is no lighter than aluminum, other than you can used a thinner wall tubing. I took a tour of the plant in New Orleans years ago that makes the big external tanks for the space shuttle, and they used a lot ot the stuff. Very hard to drill without burning it. This plant used olive oil - yep, oilive oil, to libricate the drills and machine tools. Place smelled good.

I guess there is a limit to the b.s. factor, even with a 31. The 170 pound tower is over the limit.

Carlos has an eye for the b.s., and called it right away.

Vic

Re: Diesel tank?
Dave -- 29 June 2000, at 9:27 p.m. EDT

Capt Mike--- where is the holding tank in your Express? I'm about to install mine outboard of the starb engine.

Re: Uncle Vic returneth
Vic Roy -- 29 June 2000, at 9:13 p.m. EDT

Thank you, gentlemen. I've got one foot out the door for vacation, and catchin' a big one on cue is gonna make it great. We caught the marlin on a C&H stubby in black and red. It hit the short flat line, and by the time I got in the cockpit, the spool was the size of a toilet paper tube. I ran back up on the bridge and started to back down, and that's when the shift cable bracket broke. So, with my crew hollering in the cockpit, I did the obvious - turned both engines off so I could hear them. Worked. New buddy Stan videoed the whole deal, and Stan, I want a copy. Snow is so fired up he wants to make still shots from the video. You and I saw his fat ass sweating, and I think it was either you or Lyman that came on the bridge and suggested I might be needing a new driver soon. Maybe it was Bob that asked if I had any oxygen on board. Snow did manage to drive me back to Baton Rouge this morning, but he's a little sore. That marlin did kick his ass.

What a great country, what a great life!

Vic

Re: INSURANCE
Vic Roy -- 29 June 2000, at 8:50 p.m. EDT

I just got my new CNA insurance policy today, and my wife always puts it on my workbench, like I'm gonna read it. Since I see we are talking insurance, I managed to find the section on my B31: total premium for 100k units coverage - 2,173, includes liab of 500k plus 2.5 mil excess; $250 towing (a good coonass would live with you for a year for that); 15k if an uninsured monkey boat hits you; 5k if they steal your stuff off the boat (how many 80-w"s that worth?). The policy came bound in a booklet with a "personal" cover letter from the CEO. My name is now "Dear Victor L. and Elaine H. Roy, III, ET AL". I know who "et" is, but who be "al". Anyway, I could tell right away the guy didn't know me, but wanted me to feel fuzzy, 'cause he a hot shot CEO, and I'm just a whatever mullet paying for his promise that if my boat sinks, or my house burn down, he gonna send me a check. Plus they call this hot shot policy the "USP". Stands for Universal Security Policty. Like the airlines, they call you crap to make you feel important, but you ain't.

The CEO tells me they ain't gonna cover my house for earthquakes no more, and if I live in the wrong Parish, for hurricanes. I perked up on the hurricane deal, 'cause that do happen around here. My Parish is not on the list. You guys make sure you get the extended navigation endorsement, because most policies only cover you within 20 or so miles of land. CNA does not charge me for the 100 mile endorsement, but you better have it. I handled a case for a friend who sunk offshore, and sho' enough, they claimed he was outside the limit. I converted the statute miles, since the policy didn't say which, and took a chart and protractor to the reported spot, and VOLA!, 29.97 miles, Your Honor. They paid, but if my buddy had not had a slick lawyer buddy like me (slick?, he says?) he would have been screwed, since a real lawyer would have cost him more than the boat.

Random observations from Uncle Vic, who is obviously basking in the glow of predicting a marlin and delivering. Like Babe Ruth. Man, am I (a) good (b) the luckiest coonass that ever lived.

Bon Soire, my friends.

Re: Blue Marlin Made Easy...?
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 29 June 2000, at 8:39 p.m. EDT

Dug,

Been playing with Chuck's V34 for the past two days... He's zipping down to Ocean Reef, (us caps call it "Ocean Grief"), for the long weekend.

It is rather a fantastic ride, But.....

It's still a center console open fisherman...
It's still an outboard jobby...
It can still be like riding a wild bronc...
And over nighters on the canyon will be camping out at sea...

The thing I love about this client's boat best is:

Up on a davit... No dive maintenance.

Engines aren't going stale just sitting there like his big boats with diesel engines did.

Batteries not cooking away on the constavolt.

With the full cover up, the birds have no place to sit and crap up the boat.

But if you like raw speed, fully tamed by a top quality fishing boat, the V34 is hard to ignore...

I'm with you... B31s rule! If someone "gave" me another 30+' boat, I'd trade it in on B31 in the blink of an eye... V34 included!

Glad to hear that you're almost ready to do some rockin', rollin' and reelin'.

Best regards,

Patrick

It is happening...slowly!
Dug -- 29 June 2000, at 8:04 p.m. EDT

Well, Alchemy hit the water today! Late, but better than never!

While I don't think that the motors will be running by the weekend, meaning I will not be driving until next week, it is progress, and it is damned nice to see her floating, instead of up on stands. I just sat on the flybridge and relaxed for about 40 seconds... then back to work.

All we have to do is a final alignment on the shafts, connect the electrical, gas lines, oilchange lines and the raw water intake lines and she will be ready to rock!!! (Gently, until they are broken in!!!).

It is coming, slowly, and she is looking good! But Richard, I will still be taking you up on your offer to visit on the Whaler this weekend! The trim switch died again last night, so the motor is in the down position permanently for the next couple days... Boats, you gotta love them!

D

Re: Blue Marlin Made Easy...?
Dug -- 29 June 2000, at 7:58 p.m. EDT

Patrick,

My cousin has got a hankering for that Venture 34 like no one I know after I took him aboard one at the Boston Boat show. This all after you took me on one down in Miami...

Maybe next spring there will be one of those babies up on Gloucester...I wonder how it will do as a tuna boat...

He has not wised up and developed a lust for the 31, but he keeps his boat on a float in a marsh where the tide goes out, leaving the boat high and dry twice a day. Cannot have an inboard...

Re: INSURANCE
Dug -- 29 June 2000, at 7:51 p.m. EDT

I insure with Boat U.S., and have had good luck with them. 1-800-283-2883

Re: Perfect Storm
Dug -- 29 June 2000, at 7:47 p.m. EDT

While they often can be an inconvenience, I think that the Coast Guard is an often under rated and much maligned agency. They deserve our support and accolades, as they rescue those of us who unfortunately need it from time to time. Like me last summer (no, I don't really want to tell the story!). I think we all ought to write our congressman and Senators and tell them that we want to increase funding for this organization. We cry when they don't move fast enough, but yet they keep on being forced to close stations, reduce the boat count, and make do with old, hand me down equipment from the navy.

It will be a great movie I hope!!!

Re: Government Snafus
Vic Roy -- 29 June 2000, at 7:15 p.m. EDT

Mike - probably not. Folks with a common name have the problem all the time. Write them back and tell them you don't appreciate them causing you the headache, and SEND A COPY TO YOUR CONGRESSMAN. That will do the trick. They ain't scared of lawyers, but congressmen are another story.

Vic

Government Snafus
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 29 June 2000, at 5:46 p.m. EDT

Vic, I have a collection agency after me for repayment of a student loan. This has happened once before, another time with a law firm. Problem is, I never had a student loan! They don't even have my correct SS# on the damn form! I had my baby brother the attorney threaten to sue last time, but here it comes again, like a used Bayliner. I wonder if my tirades in print against the NMFS could have gotten me on a hit list?

Re: Blue Marlin Made Easy...?
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 29 June 2000, at 5:42 p.m. EDT

No, had carpal tunnel repair done on both hands, - if it had only been one, maybe. Getting better every day, even did some boat work - mostly fetching parts and planning - today. Headed back to Black Sheep in a few minutes to do more. I think the doctor can keep me out of work next week, also, so we plan on getting some serious progress made.

Re: Diesel tank?
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 29 June 2000, at 5:37 p.m. EDT

Planning on putting my genset outboard the starboard engine, because I already have a "ledge" there where it looks like a holding tank was supposed to go, and because I'll be able to look over the side to check for water in the exhaus (express boat). Also leaning towards the next generation 3.5, and I just read that it is the only diesel genset certified for use in gas boats.

Re: Carribean Boats
CRAIG -- 29 June 2000, at 5:19 p.m. EDT

I think RIVA of Italy was also producing a modified 25 bertram in the late 60's.

Re: Uncle Vic returneth
capy -- 29 June 2000, at 3:56 p.m. EDT

Vic,

Sounds like I should move south.....I am gettin sick of cod and NOT catching giant tuna. Congratulations on a most excellent day!!!!!

regards,

capy

Re: Perfect Storm
capy -- 29 June 2000, at 3:54 p.m. EDT

Can't wait to see the movie....book was/is fantastic.

I remember the storm very well, as I kept my 24 stamas on a mooring in newburyport harbor at the time. I was planning on going on my last giant tuna trip when that storm started coming on. I cancelled my tuna trip when trying to get supplies to the boat in a dinghy, and could'nt make it back to shore, on account of the damn river current and stiff westerly blow in the same direction. If it was'nt for a good samaritan in a center console, I might've joined those unfortunate people.

regards,

capy

Re: Blue Marlin Made Easy...?
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 29 June 2000, at 3:29 p.m. EDT

Stan,

Great to hear the you guys had a winning day!

I know the day will add to your incentive on getting "Wet Spot" finished out and back in the water. It may even cause you to upgrade a couple of your spears to bent butt 80s... Watch out, marlin fishing is very infective!

Speaking of spears... Have you seen the Capt. Henley Spear? (one of my website builds... http://venture34.com/ )

Best regards,

Patrick

bertram 31 - bertram31.com images

"Oro Muerta"

Re: Uncle Vic returneth
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 29 June 2000, at 3:17 p.m. EDT

Uncle Vic,

You D' Man!! Ain't it always great when you can brag about "catchin' 'em in your sleep" and then make it happen in front of others...

Glad to hear that you all had fun. Break downs with a fish on always increases the excitement. Part of O'Brian's Law... Only one premise.. Murphy's a freakin' optimist.

Have fun across the big pond!

Best regards,

Patrick

Perfect Storm
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 29 June 2000, at 3:06 p.m. EDT

U.S. Coast Guard
NEWS

"Perfect Storm" illustrates dangers at sea for fishermen, Coast Guard
rescuers

WILMINGTON, NC. - Audiences who see "The Perfect Storm," which opens
Friday, will most likely leave the theater with a greater appreciation for
the inherent dangers of going to sea - the dangers faced by commercial
fishermen and by those who put their own lives at risk to rescue others in
distress.

The film chronicles the plight of mariners caught in the October
1991 storm, among them six fishermen on a 70-foot Gloucester, Mass.,
swordfish boat, lost as they battled waves up to 100 feet and winds of 100
mph.

Actor George Clooney portrays the captain of the doomed vessel, the Andrea
Gail. At a recent press junket in Gloucester to promote the film, he
remarked to a reporter that before he made the film he didn't know
commercial fishing was so dangerous. Commercial fishing ranks as one of the
most dangerous occupations in the United States.
Several Coast Guardsmen who helped rescue 16 mariners from three different
ships, including the Satori and the Anna Christina, over a three-day period
during the intense storm, are currently assigned to Coast Guard units in the
Fifth Coast Guard District.

Severe weather, like that depicted in the movie, necessitated the rescue of
eight mariners from four sailing vessels in distress Memorial Day off the
coast of Virginia and North Carolina. Coast Guard Air Station Elizabeth
City launched two Coast Guard HH-60 Jayhawk helicopters and a Coast Guard
C-130 Hercules search plane, the same types of aircraft used for rescues
during the 1991 storm.

In southeastern North Carolina, during the winter of 1998-1999, four vessels
and one life was lost. In the winter of 1999-2000, one vessel and no lives
were lost.

The Coast Guard attributes the reduction in lives lost, in part, to
the thousands of dockside visits and boardings at sea conducted by Coast
Guard personnel during Safe Catch.
During the operation, 83 high-risk vessels were identified. The Coast Guard
and vessel owners formed a partnership to reduce the risk on 31 of those
vessels and brought them substantially into compliance with current safety
standards and 22 additional vessels are currently listed as "in progress".
Actual footage of Coast Guard rescues during the October, 1991 storm is also
available.

Pictures, video and more stories on the real heroes of The Perfect Storm can
be found at http://www.uscg.mil/news/perfectstorm/realstorm.html.

For more information, please contact LT Cari Field, the Public Affairs
Officer, or the Officer of the Day at the below number.

-USCG-

LT Cari M. Field, USCG
Public Affairs Officer
MSO Wilmington, NC
(910) 772-2216 (phone) or 313-5209 (pager)
cfield@msowilmington.uscg.mil

Uncle Vic returneth
Vic Roy -- 29 June 2000, at 2:58 p.m. EDT

Just got back from fishing. Stan's account is generally accurate, except on inspection the bracket that holds the cable to the gear broke, not the cable. Broke in forward is the good news.

Jef f, that's a fantastic wahoo. Call me tomo row at 800 260 9908 for some free legal advice, which starts with don't sign sh-t, don't use lead to increse the weight of the fish (use ice), and do everything in writing. Make the promoter give you the written rules under a cover letter that they have received and are reviewing your potential record. Anyway, give me a call. I'll be around the house this weekend, 225 927 6258; I'll be heading over the pond on Tues for a good while.

Well, guys, the marlin trip was a hoot, and Stan, who is a spearfisherman, was a great guest. Stan, I finished off the bottle of whiskey you brought - Thanks. Yeah, we had one bite all day, but it was the Man. I let my driver, Snow, do the winding 'cause I thought it was probably a tuna fish, but changed my mind when he got 900 yards off the 80-W with a 24 lb drag. never jumped, and the boatside action was a little ragged what with the shift problem and some general chaos. Normal. Solid 450 tho.

Went yesterday in my skiff to some close oil rigs (3 mi) and did good on specks and got into a huge school of 30 plus pound redfish that wore us out.

The 31 is without a doubt, the finest marlin boat ever built, bar none. But you gotta keep the engines in sync - right, Stan?

Uncle Vic

Re: Diesel tank?
stan -- 29 June 2000, at 1:42 p.m. EDT

I have 300 Yanmars & there's plenty of room on the outboard of either engine. Do you need 40gal of fresh water? Might think about going back to your orig. 18gal tank for water. If someone complains about not enough water, theres always overboard...plenty there. The generator would balance those batteries out nice too. I think that's going to be about the driest place for it considering the limited choices.

Re: INSURANCE
Jeff -- 29 June 2000, at 1:25 p.m. EDT

Boat/US has the insurance on ours. Very good insurance.

INSURANCE
EMIL -- 29 June 2000, at 12:28 p.m. EDT

I need insurance for my 31 bertram. If you know
any companies insuring this boat please let me know. Thanks, Emil.

Re: Bertram 31 Block Island Cruise
Chris Wilson -- 29 June 2000, at 12:21 p.m. EDT

Hope you guys all have a great time. If Cape Town wasn't so far away, I would have made the trip !

Hope one of you will be taking photo's and posting them on this site.

Regards
Chris Wilson
Cape Town
South Africa

Re: Diesel tank?
Jeff -- 29 June 2000, at 12:07 p.m. EDT

I can only think that the 40 gallon water tank which would weigh in at roughly 320 lbs is causing the list. Sonny has his genset outboard the port engine, but the last time I talked to him about that, he wanted to move it to outboard the starboard engine so as to allow the head to be sound insulation for the cabin. Makes sense to me, too. Are you gas or diesel? Right now, we too are leaning toward putting it outboard the sb engine, just worried about the lean and water dripping off the motor box onto the genset.

Re: Diesel tank?
stan -- 29 June 2000, at 11:53 a.m. EDT

Jeff, I have two aluminum saddle tanks behind the shaft logs and another aluminum tank between the engines under the floor. I'm in the process of putting the same 3.5kw 160lb next generation genset in my boat. I'm leaning toward (no pun intended) the outerbank of my starboard motor. Id be worried about having enough drop for my exhaust if I put it any lower. Capt. Pat would be able to help there, im just going on suggestion from the boatyard. Why is your boat listing starboard if your batteries are port?

Re: Diesel tank?
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 29 June 2000, at 11:03 a.m. EDT

Jeff,

Should you go with the aluminium tank, be sure you have them cold tar coat it before installation. Cheap insurance against a future corroded and leaky tank!

Best regards,

Patrick

Carribean Boats
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 29 June 2000, at 10:59 a.m. EDT

Mike,

The Carribean boats do have a distinctive "Bertram" flair to them... ( http://www.caribbeanboats.com/ )

Looks like they are be represented by International Marine out of Melbourne Australia now. Not sure where they are manufactured... Models offered are the 26' & 35'

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Diesel tank?
Jeff -- 29 June 2000, at 10:54 a.m. EDT

Captain Patrick, thanks for your help. Yeah, it's the original glass tank in the 79 hull, so I assume it wouldn't work. Sounds like the solution is to have a new aluminum tank fabricated. We have two 4-D batteries outboard the port engine, and with 287 gallons of fuel, and 40 gallons of water, the boat lists to starboard. I'm concerned about putting a 160 lb genset outboard the starboard engine which would just add to the listing. I'm going to give your post to our mechanic/installer/fabricator, and see what he comes up with. Thanks again for your ideas! If you or anyone comes up with other thoughts, please share them with me.

Re: Diesel tank?
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 29 June 2000, at 10:20 a.m. EDT

Jeff,

If your tank is aluminium, no problem... If it's fiberglass then you should make a modification because of the resin type that would have been used.

Standard polyester boat resin will degrade in time with direct contact with diesel fuel, (or gasoline). Isophthalic polyester resin is what's used for fuel tanks to avoid this problem.

Since modifications on old polyester, using new polyester won't acheive a good bond and cross linking, epoxy would be the material to use.

You'd need to cut the entire top out of the tank, sand blast the interior of both, and apply two or three coats of epoxy. The top would then be epoxied back into place and reinforced with an additional layer of fiberglass. Don't use chopped strand mat for this layer... The binders are formulated for polyester, and epoxy won't wet out mat completely. I'd recommend an 8 oz. bi-axle without a mat backing.

Check on having a new tank, either aluminium or monel, made to fit... Might not cost much more than modifying the original.

Jerry and I had "Fortuna" configured to fit a small Northern Lights genset between the engines against the deck bulkhead. This necessitated lengthing the step down forward by about 18". That ment you had to duck a bit so as not to crack your head on the house/bridge overhang, but wasn't a big deal once you were used to it. I also designed the space between that and the salon bulkhead to house the two 8D batteries, thereby keeping all of the heavy weight items on centerline and with a low center of gravity.

This all necessitated designing a complete lift out "tub" allowing for total access to all.

I'd avoid putting the genset in the transome at all cost... Access will be hard, and the wet environment will eventually destroy the genset, even if you manage to keep surface corrosion to a minimum with constant maintenance...

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Blue Marlin Made Easy...?
stan -- 29 June 2000, at 9:36 a.m. EDT

Capt.Mike, on the way out I believe his mate told me that they were 3 for 3 & that kinda made me think a)he's damn good or b)we might not hook up cause you cant catch one EVERY time you take a ride, the law of averages has to get you. BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ, wrong answer. It was "a". I hope you were performing the surgery?!

Cold Duck Image Posted...
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 29 June 2000, at 9:34 a.m. EDT

Jeff,

Got your photos in yesterday's mail... "Cold Duck" is now on the Images Page! Double check my spelling of the partner names and the correctness of the hailing port...

Best regards,

Patrick

Diesel tank?
Jeff -- 29 June 2000, at 9:09 a.m. EDT

We're going to put a diesel genset in our gas boat. The prior owner pulled the refrigerator out and put a 40 gallon water tank in it's place.
My thoughts are to use the original 18 gallon water tank between the engines as the diesel tank for the genset. Does anybody know any reason why we can't? Also, are the only options for placement of the genset outboard the engines? Has anyone ever seen a genset under the centerline hatch at the transom? Weight balance and saltwater splashing are my two biggest concerns with the location of the generator, as well as the ability to perform maintenance on it.

Re: Setting the record straight Whiticar vs. Whitt
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 29 June 2000, at 9:04 a.m. EDT

Patrick, several years ago a boat company - Carribean, I think - advertised that they had built several models for Bertram, including the 28 and some larger boats, and were going into business selling these under their own brand (I think Bertram was bankrupt at the time). Of course, all of this was long after Richard Bertram had sold the company - probably in the late 80's or maybe even the 90's.

Setting the record straight Whiticar vs. Whittaker
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 29 June 2000, at 8:54 a.m. EDT

First, thanks to Tommy Drake and Sonny Morrell for their email input to me about this confusion!

I had heard several times in the past that Richard Bertram had used other local boatbuilders to help out when his production load was more than he could keep up with... Not so. And that the Whiticar Boat Works, just south of Stuart, Florida, assembled some of the 31s... Not so.

The confusion stemmed from the fact that Bertram, like many boatbuilders, experienced periodic financial difficulties and looked to outside resources for help. One of these outside resources was the Whittaker Corp., (sounds the same, but spelled differently).

Whittaker was not even in the boatbuilding business, but was looking for diversification and, I guess, the boatbuilding industry looked interesting to them. They bought, bought into, or otherwise partnered with Bertram and Bertram Yachts operated as "a division of Whittaker Corporation" for several years. (Much the way that the Brunswick Corp. did during their ownership of Hatteras Yachts.)

Since I'd heard the name Whittaker in association with Bertram, (remember that ears can't read), and then when Sammy Kojima mentioned "WHITAKER CORP", (which was a misspelling, but because of a missing "t", not the substitution of an "a & k" for an "i & c"), my misconception of the facts lead to the erroneous post that Whiticar Boat Works had assembled some of the 31s.

A classic case of assumption... "To ASSUME makes an ass of U & me both!"

Sorry for the confusion!! And again, thanks Tommy and Sonny for helping set the record straight!

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Blue Marlin Made Easy...?
Jeff -- 29 June 2000, at 8:50 a.m. EDT

Great fish tale! I know more than ever that we live in the armpit of the world. Twenty five miles out......we're just getting the engines in sync and everybody finding there little hole to grab a wink at 25 miles out. Catch em up, Uncle Vic! These boats are meant to fish, not party, cruise, or even shoot the bull about. Fish 'em hard!

Re: Blue Marlin Made Easy...?
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 28 June 2000, at 11:41 p.m. EDT

Stan, sounds like a great trip. I've kinda suspected Uncle Vic knew his stuff. Had to pass on this one myself, also turned doen 5 days offshore on a friends 48 footer this weekend. Guess I picked the wrong time for surgery.

Blue Marlin Made Easy...?
Stan -- 28 June 2000, at 6:09 p.m. EDT

I took Uncle Vic up on an offer to go bluewater fishing out in the Gulf on his 31 yesterday. "Lets go catch a Blue Marlin" he says. Since I'm sinking (bad choice of words) more money into my 31 than my house & I've never riden on one, I couldnt pass up his offer. I'll start off by saying it's Onehelluvaboat, but most of you already knew that. We headed on out to the rip about 25 miles south from the mouth of the river, dropped the baits & pulled for a while. Meanwhile the other boats that were out there running back & forth chasing potfish finally got run in by a nice squal line that came through. Thats about the time that Uncle Vic got that half-smile goin. Couldnt really understand it since we had been pulling plastic for a few hrs & only had a 10" bar jack we snagged to show for it. He explained it to me in simple words (so I could keep up) what Blue Marlin do for a livin. So he looked at his watch, stood up & scanned the weedline & just kinda nodded. Pretty much what he told me was going to happen & when it was going to happen, happened. BOOOSH! the short, flat line exploded, ziiiiinggggg. All withing a matter of seconds his crew (a few close friends) took in the other lines, seated the winder & strapped him in without spilling a single beer. Impressive. Uncle Vic's expression hadn't changed since those other boats got run off by the storms. I think He's done this before. An hr and a half, 900yds of line & a few beers later his friend "snow" finally brought the fish into sight. "Marlin" im yelling "yep"s bout all he said. After a few dance steps & a broken shift cable, the 450+lb Blue Marlin was boatside, boink, the tag goes in & the hook comes out, a few minutes to make sure the fish is okay & its off to the deep blue again.
Damn, I'm thinkin, he sure made that look easy.
Well he did say "let's go catch a Blue Marlin"! Thanks Uncle Vic.

Re: Titanium Tower?
Dug -- 28 June 2000, at 2:08 p.m. EDT

It is at Star Island Marina. while you are there check out the 126' sportfisherman called Marlena, owned by the owner of the marina.

Huge...

Re: Bertram 31 Block Island Cruise
Dug -- 28 June 2000, at 2:06 p.m. EDT

I am guessing that there will be many there on Sunday, but not likely to be all day as some of us will have a cruise to get on home...

Look forward to seeing you!

Re: Titanium Tower?
craig -- 28 June 2000, at 10:43 a.m. EDT

where is boat docked in montauk--i expect to be there this weekend--i like to check it out.

Re: Bertram 31 Block Island Cruise
DavidR -- 28 June 2000, at 9:21 a.m. EDT

Hi,
Are you also going to be there Sunday...I'll
be working all night Friday into Saturday and would like to meet you guys,,Also I'll be coming over on the Pt Judith Ferry...seeing that my boat
is still in dry dock...

Re: Titanium Tower?
Dug -- 28 June 2000, at 8:56 a.m. EDT

Again, I don't vouch for the truth, but only repeat what I am told. In all honesty, the boat was pretty stable, so it did not weigh that much.

I think the boat had most of it's work done in Florida, at one of the recognizable name yards like Rybovich, but I am unsure of the actual name. I will try to find out more information. The boat is at Star Island Marina, so I know where to find her!

Take care all!

Re: Suspicious
Jeff -- 28 June 2000, at 8:27 a.m. EDT

Captain Mike, I not taking Uncle Vic's absense personally.....I'd rather be fishing than earning
units any day! This deal is about to drive me nuts tho. Friends down in Savannah called me yesterday afternoon reporting that rumors are popping up like wild fires around Savannah. One is that the tournament failed to pay the premium, another is that the angler didn't have his fishing license. Both nonsense! I've got to drive down to Savannah to meet with the DNR at 10AM this morning to give them the fish and the record application that I've now completed. I'll be damn glad when all this is over with!!!!!

Re: Uncle Vic - The Easily Entertained...
SONNY -- 28 June 2000, at 3:07 a.m. EDT

I have to respond to this guys as I am a food person who started a gourmet food company six years ago. It was kind of a lark when I first started it, but the ladies loved it! No disrespect Mike, but it was like being "John Holmes" in a chefs suit. Then I got sick and couldn't fly anymore, got married again and went to the venture cap. guys, as all I wanted to do was play with my boat( a beautiful 46' Palm Beach sport fish ). First thing I had to do was give up my love (the boat), as I could not afford the 50000 units per year upkeep on the varnished cold molded beauty. The guys wittled me down to 30%. I now can go to all the food shows in the country, but have not made a dime. If anyone wants samples, e-mail me and I will send you gourmet sauces for meats (w/black truffles), and spice rubs. We are in national distribution, but I do not want to give the name here. Anyway, I wanted to establish that I was keen on foods. My thre,, four loves were airplanes, boats , women, and food. Back to the story of tex-mex. In 1974 I was sent to Dallas TX. and to American Airlines for DC-10 training. The training was easy as you answered questions to a boxed in screen, and all the flight training was in a simulator. We were used to written and oral classrooms, and most of our flight training in the real "airplane". Enough of that, as there is a mutual hate between us and American pilots. Some are my good friends, but we say that about a lot of people! Back to the food. We stayed at the Cibolla Inn in Arlington, TX. The restaurant was Tex-Mex, the bar was Tex-Mex, the gift shop and limo was Tex-Mex. ( If you know what I mean).Boy, did it taste good , breakfast, lunch and dinner. After a week of this grand dining things started happening. Guys started missing class, walking out of the simulator, and refusing to come out of their rooms. The company concerned, brought doctors in to find out the problem. Problem was all were suffering fron severly irritated colons and constipation. Seems from eating all that Tex-Mex they would only go to the bathroom when their assholes quit burning! I was one of thoses!

Re: Titanium Tower?
Carlos Sucre -- 28 June 2000, at 12:47 a.m. EDT

I believe there is a "Monitor" company in long Island that makes titanium towers and other marine hardware.
170 pounds? Is it possible?
Carlos

Re: Bertram 31 Block Island Cruise
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 27 June 2000, at 10:19 p.m. EDT

Yeah Mike, And you're gonna' miss out on their secret cod tourney too!

Hope all you guys have a blast up there! ...And that Uncle Vic makes it up to keep you all out of serious trouble...

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Suspicious
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 27 June 2000, at 10:11 p.m. EDT

If Uncle Vic doesn't come ashore in time to help, I have a baby brother who is a very young partner in a very old Texas law firm. he makes most of his money suing insurnace companies, and he isn't far from Dallas!

Re: Bertram 31 Block Island Cruise
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 27 June 2000, at 10:03 p.m. EDT

You guys are going to have too much fun! And I'll be sweating in the Texas heat, trying to turn wrenches with crippled hands!

Re: Bertram 31 Block Island Cruise
Dug -- 27 June 2000, at 9:10 p.m. EDT

Hi all,

Both the Boat Basin and Payne's have all the things we should need. Launch service, showers, taxi access. Actually Paynes is closest to town if groceries are necessary. It is also quite close to Dead Eye Dicks, a well reputed bar, and within Biking distance of the world famous Nicks and the Yellow Kitten... Enough said. If you want a small grocery store, a bakery, a burger kind of joint with breakfast capability, a pool etc. then go for the increased pricing at Champlins, but I think that we would do alright at either of the others. Or we can grab a town mooring...!

Re: Titanium Tower?
Dug -- 27 June 2000, at 9:05 p.m. EDT

Next time I am out in Montauk, I will try to take a picture of the beast and get it to you. I know the guy spent a pretty penny on it, she is quite nice. The present owner has had it for 1.5 years, the previous one was the guy who did the work. The new one told me he had been down to look at Grim Reaper as well... He must have been ready (and did!) to spend some serious coin!

D

Re: Gather 'round, boys$$$$$$$$$$
SONNY -- 27 June 2000, at 2:43 p.m. EDT

Congrats. Jeff, hope it works out with those jerks in TX. Sonny

Re: Suspicious
Russ -- 27 June 2000, at 2:18 p.m. EDT

the north carolina state record for wahoo is 150 lbs in 1994, as per www.ncfisheries.net. good luck on the record.....russ

Re: Suspicious
Jeff -- 27 June 2000, at 2:00 p.m. EDT

I don't have a record book here either, but from my recollection, the record was in the 155 lb range from San Salvador for a number of years until the last year or so when it was bumped up to 158-159 range over in Cabo, I believe. Someone at the weighin the other night told me that South Carolina's state record was about 130 lbs. Not sure about the North Carolina state record, nor do I know what the Florida record is, but I'm sure it's larger than 123.2 lbs. Georgia's coastline is a lot shorter than NC, SC, and FL.

Bertram 31 Block Island Cruise
capy -- 27 June 2000, at 11:02 a.m. EDT

Guys,

Dug has raised a good point about dockage. Although Champlins is first class, it is pricey. There are several alternatives;

Block Island Boat basin 401-466-2631
Payne's Dock 401-466-5572
Block Island maritime institute(no number)
old harbor town dock 401-466-3235

I have no experience in these waters and I just look for first class accomadations in these situations. Follow the link below to peruse whats available on the Island.

Regards,

capy

A Block Island Guide

Re: Suspicious
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 27 June 2000, at 10:50 a.m. EDT

Jeff,

I'm sure you'll get the judgment in your favor! It is rather "poetic justice" when a promoter thinks he has a sure thing by offering a big reward on something that he's sure can't happen, and then it does...

As to your fish weight sounding suspicious... They are damn sure a major pelagic species ranging around the world and up to NJ on this coast. The world record is over 200#, I believe, (record book not handy), and the N.C. state record is 150#, set in 1994. What's so strange about a buck and a quarter?

Good luck, and keep us posted!

Best regards,

Patrick

bertram 31 - bertram31.com images

Re: Whiticar
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 27 June 2000, at 10:05 a.m. EDT

Craig,

No visual difference... Bertram sub-contracted several boatbuilders in the south Florida area to keep up with production demands, from time to time. Only the manufacture tag tells the tale.

I'm not sure what other builders were involved, but the Whitikers were probably the most notable builders. They are still in business and produce some of the finest custom boats produced in our area, (up to 74'). Three of the oldest and most respected names down here are Rybovich, Merrit, and Whitiker...

You're probably right about their attention to detail, but I couldn't attest to it on the 31.

For those of you who aren't familiar with Whiticar, the most distinctive feature of their boats is the side window configuration of all but their newest and largest boats, (they do a more common window design on them). It's kind of strange to the uninitiated, but brands the boat unmistakably from even a long distance...

I've got an email inquiry out to Whiticar to see if they can offer any more details of their involvement with the 31.

Best regards,

Patrick

Whiticar Boat Works, Inc.

Re: Gather 'round, boys$$$$$$$$$$
Jeff -- 27 June 2000, at 9:57 a.m. EDT

Just found out this morning that SCA Promotions must think this fish is a fraud. I contacted my DNR buddies Mon morning offering to give them the fish to age, study, etc., and they accepted the offer. Well, SCA now wants the DNR to autopsy the fish because it broke the record by such a large margin, and they are suspicious about that.
What BS!!!!!!!! It ain't my fault the fish weighed 123.2 lbs! DNR is driving up from Brunswick today to pick the fish up, and they're going to call SCA to find out their specific needs
concerning the autopsy. I'll report back when I know more.

Re: ‚g‚•‚Œ‚Œ#
CRAIG -- 27 June 2000, at 9:16 a.m. EDT

whats the story with the boats built by whiticar-
how many did they build-can you distinguish them by sight or only serial #---i would expect their finishing to be better than original.

Titanium Tower?
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 26 June 2000, at 9:49 p.m. EDT

Dug,

Good luck on your job searching!

Titanium tower?? Now that's some serious units for sure.

I once had a chill coil made of titanium for a black chrome plating tank when I was goldsmithing for local Jewelry firm. It only required about 20 feet of 1/2" thin wall tubing and dozen, or so, standoffs. Titanium was the only metal that could stand up to the corrosive nature of the bath.

That pissy little coil cost us over $800.00. And this guy has a damn tower made of the stuff?! I can't even imagine what that must have cost. He must *own* a high tech metal shop... Would love to see it! It'd make a good technical article.

Best regards,

Patrick

bertram 31 - bertram31.com images

Notable Data on Titanium...

Re: U.S. History 101.... Block Island Style
Dug -- 26 June 2000, at 9:16 p.m. EDT

I expect to get there around 10-12 on Saturday. I also advocate that we go to Payne's dock, instead of Champlins. Champlins is friendly as hell, but at Payne's I paid $20 per night as opposed to 2.50 per foot, which will work out to over $90 per night!!!! Crazy.... Plus the guys over at Paynes are quite laid back. Good time. Met Dennis Connor of America's cup fame and almost took him bluefishing! Along with a bunch of his crew.

That would have been fun...

Free Boat
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 26 June 2000, at 9:15 p.m. EDT

A friend wants to give me his 28 Allmand. It's a heavy hull with new 350's and Mercruiser outdrives, big cabin (sedan type)and small cockpit. I've seen it run 40 mph at 4,000 rpm. His son built the engines and then was killed in a car wreck a while back. Dad has lost interest and doesn't want to mess with it. I'd rather just sell it for him. It's not a 31B, but a decent boat that could be had cheap.

Re: ‚g‚•‚Œ‚Œ#
Dug -- 26 June 2000, at 9:12 p.m. EDT

Mike,

Glad to hear that the hands are healing well! That is good news!

Well, I ran into Montauk on Saturday morning on my way back from Block Island, and saw a custom 31 with a full tower. Guy said it was made of titanium and only weighed 170 pounds total!!!! Wow. I saw 6 B31's, and talked to the captains of three about the rendezvous on Block Island. They were all excited!

Marina says this week for Alchemy. I will believe it when I see it, plus I need to keep looking for a job...

Take care!

Re: All this time off has been a hoot!
Dug -- 26 June 2000, at 9:01 p.m. EDT

Sounds good. The yard is saying it that the motors will be in this week, ya, right. We shall see, either way I will be over to visit!

Dug

Re: Gather 'round, boys$$$$$$$$$$
Dug -- 26 June 2000, at 9:00 p.m. EDT

Nice Job Jeff!!! Fantastic! Now I am dreaming of my motors being in!!!

Congratulations!!
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 26 June 2000, at 5:45 p.m. EDT

Jeff,

Pretty Work!

Hope all works out fine with the potential prize money.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Gather 'round, boys$$$$$$$$$$
Jeff -- 26 June 2000, at 10:21 a.m. EDT

Fill em up, and put it on the Cold Duck ticket!

Re: Gather 'round, boys$$$$$$$$$$
joe amato -- 26 June 2000, at 10:16 a.m. EDT

Congrats on a terrific fish! Guess you're buyin the next round!

Re: Gather 'round, boys$$$$$$$$$$
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 26 June 2000, at 9:32 a.m. EDT

Great fishing Jeff! I didn't know ya'll had that many wahoo off Georgia - or expert wahoo fishermen. Most of our tourneys have been cancelled due to wind, but I got a report this morning that one in Port Aransas had the winning boat releasing 4 blues - don't know what the total count was yet.

Lot's of units to lavish on the boat, huh?

Gather 'round, boys$$$$$$$$$$
Jeff -- 26 June 2000, at 9:03 a.m. EDT

The B31 rules! We fished the final leg of the GA Governor's Cup billfish series this past weekend in Savannah, GA. No blues were caught, and only dtwo sails, and we didn't see a billfish. We did win the tournament on the basis of meat fish points. That won us $9200 bucks (we left $7700 on the table because I didn't get in all the caluttas). On Saturday, we had two hoo in the boat by 8:30, one 36, one 43. At 12:15, I grabbed the downrigger out of the cuddy, and put a black on black islander with a horse ballyhoo on 300 lb flouro down to 55 feet. App 3 minutes later, it went off. App 35 minutes later, I stuck the fish with a perfect gaff shot. Turned out to be a 123.2 lb hoo breaking the GA state record by 10 lbs. If you fished all four legs of the Governors Cup and broke the dolphin or wahoo record, you win $100,000. YAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!
A bunch of paper work has to be completed, and I have my buddies with the DNR in Brunswick meeting me in Sav. this afternoon to inspect the fish, and hopefully fast track the record certification process. I also realize that insurance companies are in business to deny claims, so Uncle Vic, please be on standby. I have the contract and paperwork from SCA Promotions, Inc. in Dallas, TX
and intend to put in a call to them as soon as the sun gets high enough in TX.

Re: Uncle Vic - The Easily Entertained...
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 26 June 2000, at 7:42 a.m. EDT

Mike,

Will do! Of course I always *think* about visiting in the not so distant future, but somehow it always seems like the time interval remains constant... Been two years since the last.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: ‚g‚•‚Œ‚Œ#
sammy kojima -- 25 June 2000, at 11:56 p.m. EDT

Everybody hello it is Sammy.
I receive a lot of replies and be thanking very much.
There is another question. As for it does the production time understand from the number of Hull? It is.

I answer it this time.
I possessed ALBIN28 until, last year and was fishing marlin. I who am not able to angle even 1 time, yet regrettably have fished marlin in the TENboat charter of Guam.

The engine of my boat is D4.2-220HP of Marc of a twin.
I shall see it because a/the homepage is produced in near future, because it is poor at to explain in a/the word.

thank you

Re: ‚g‚•‚Œ‚Œ#
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 25 June 2000, at 9:45 p.m. EDT

The trip - and the food - sounds great! Wish I could go. You must be more refined than some cajun marlin fishermen? Years back a friend in the boat business who now captains out of Cancun told me I should go fishing with the Frichter brothers from Chalmette. He said they liked to put out to sea with just some crackers and a case of rum. I bought some Penn 30's from them. Found a good price also at Puglia's not too far from Fat City, if I remember right. This was in the 70's when I traveled on an expense account for Shell. The manager at Puglias sold me 4 new Penn Senator 14/0's for $100 each. I had hell reselling them in Texas, 'cause everybody thought they were hot!

Re: Uncle Vic - The Easily Entertained...
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 25 June 2000, at 9:39 p.m. EDT

Didn't you say something about maybe coming to Houston in the near future? Give me a call at 979/415-0535 or 281/438-8044 and we'll try both Mex and seafood.

Re: ‚g‚•‚Œ‚Œ#
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 25 June 2000, at 9:36 p.m. EDT

Guys, the hand thing is going real well, - very little pain, some discomfort. I can now feed and dress myself, mix a drink, pop open a beer - all the essentials! Even drove the truck to the marina, although slowly. Survived the weekend, spent mostly helping the new wife try to cope with her asshole ex-husband and his new wife (who I don't think was born a woman!) trying to take her 11 year old daughter away. Always a crisis in Capt. Mike's personal life! Feel an urge to get the boat running and sail into the sunset some times! Can't go back to work until after July 4th, got folks calling for charters, so I need to get busy on Black Sheep. I mentioned a local restaurant in an article I did in the last issue of Sportfishing - the guy is from El Salvadore and one hell of a seafood chef. Two of his local customers told him they picked up a copy in Hawaii and read about "their" restaurant. The guy was really impressed, thought I just wrote for the local paper. Nice man. The best thing about this writing deal is helping good people get a good feeling about themselves from time to time - while trying to shoot down the phoneys. A lot like good legal work in some ways, I guess.

Re: Uncle Vic - The Easily Entertained...
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 25 June 2000, at 9:09 p.m. EDT

Uncle Vic and Mike,

Gawd! I gota' get you ya'll to send me a care package... The nearest really good place I've stumbled on to in this state is up above Ft. Pierce on the road over to Tampa, (about 50 north of me). Owned and operated by a family of Mexicans from the San Antonio area. Nothing fancy, just real good home brewed Tex-Mex, and the aren't stingy with the portions. Bruce and I stumbled on to it on the way back from picking up a set of Hurth gears from Mastry in St. Pete. Made the trip worth while.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Japanese B31s
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 25 June 2000, at 8:56 p.m. EDT

Mike,

Guess tha makes two of them over there.. Mike Murphy is re-building on in Okinawa. You can pick up his email if you want from my post above.

Hope your mits are minding OK!

Best Regards,

Patrick

Re: ‚g‚•‚Œ‚Œ#
Vic Roy -- 25 June 2000, at 8:02 p.m. EDT

Mike - how was the hinterlands? Your hands healing? I'm heading out about noon tomorrow to fish the week. Wish you were going. Got BBQ chicken, and a big slab of Scottish smoked slamon my family gave me for father's day. Coonass heaven, plus I'm gonna get some big shrimp and boil them tomorrow nite.

Vic

Re: Uncle Vic - The Easily Entertained...
Vic Roy -- 25 June 2000, at 7:58 p.m. EDT

Patrick - good Tex-Mex is hard to find. There is one here in Baton Rouge that is a knockout. We used to go to it 35 years ago when it was in an old house next to a bowling alley in a part of town I would not go to today in the daytime with a gun. Marguritas were 60 cents, and a Supreme (dinner) #3 was $3. They moved to a little more respectable location about 20 years ago, and the #3 is up to about $7, maybe 9 if you, like me, get the fried egg on the top. Inclueds a guacamole salad, a meat and cheese taco, and a hot plate with 2 tamales and one enchalata with chili gravy.

Matter of fact, my bride and kids are out there right now piggin' out and are gonna bring me some meat Nachos. I declined to join, still getting my stuff together for the fishing trip tomorrow.

When I used to spend some time in central Mexico, nobody ate this crap. All french food. Figure.

vic

Re: Uncle Vic - The Easily Entertained...
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 25 June 2000, at 7:49 p.m. EDT

Vic, Patrick should have been with me the 2 1/2 years I was in Baton Rouge. I love cajun cooking with a passion, but was really hurting for decent Tex-Mex. The Franchise places seemed to think a bowl of chips and a huge Margarita was all it took. Finally found a little place on Airline Hwy, - we were staying at the Ridgewood - called El Rio Grande, run by a Mexican from San Antonio. Almost never had any other customers, and he loved to sit and talk with a fellow Texan. Nothing fancy, just good plain cooking. After a dose of that, I was ready to go back to Ralph & Kacoos, Sno's in Gonzales, or Robert's down the river from the plant.

Re: ‚g‚•‚Œ‚Œ#
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 25 June 2000, at 7:40 p.m. EDT

Sammy, I'll second Vic's invitation to tell us more about your boat. This is the first one I've heard of in Japan. I write articles for major boating magazines, often about 31 Bertrams, and I can always use new information.

Re: ‚g‚•‚Œ‚Œ#
Vic Roy -- 25 June 2000, at 6:27 p.m. EDT

Sammy - your translation program is very good. We can unnderstand what you are writing very well. Write and tell us about your Bertram 31. What engines, etc? Do you use it to fish?

What translation program do you use? The one I use is not very good. I made a hotel reservation in Europe using German, and they wrote back that they could not help my menopause.

Welcome Aboard!

Uncle Vic

Re: ‚g‚•‚Œ‚Œ#
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 24 June 2000, at 10:04 p.m. EDT

Sammy,

Welcome Aboard! Konichiwa!

It looks as though you have hull number 608 of the Flybridge model and was sub-contracted to, and built by the Whitaker Boat Works. Whitacar is an old and honored custom boatbuilder located in Stuart Florida, (20 miles north of Palm Beach, Florida).

You might also be interested that Mike Murphy, who is with the US Army is re-building a 31 Bertram in Okinawa. His email address is MurphyM@torii.army.mil

Again welcome aboard!

Best regards,

Patrick

‚g‚•‚Œ‚Œ#
Sammy Kojima -- 24 June 2000, at 8:51 p.m. EDT

Please teach the roots.
All of you hello, I start and know that this site takes place and be getting excited very much.
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Re: Uncle Vic - The Easily Entertained...
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 24 June 2000, at 8:36 p.m. EDT

Uncle Vic,

As a born 'n bred Texan, you can't imagine the suffering I go through trying to find good Mex or Tex-Mex here in S. FL...

We had a pretty good on for a while, but some of the local pansy asses got the trots after eating there one day. After a temporary closing to trace down the reason, making corrections and re-opening a few days later, they were better than ever and half the county was all of a sudden eating there.

Almost every night was jammed with as much as 1 hour wait. Didn't take reservations...

Then the tender-tummies, in true S. FL form, filed and won a class action. The settlement was over a million, which the owner covered. But the real penalty was to all the rest of us. He was so disgruntled he closed up and said screw the restaurant business...

Now we only have a couple of so-called "Tex-Mex" run by folks that wouldn't know Tex-Mex if it slapped 'em in the keester... Errr.. and Taco Zero.. (Which is sometimes better than the other two!)

And try to find a decent Margarita around here.. Few and far between. I even carry printed copies of exactly how to make a good one to hand out to bar-keeps. Rocket science...

Good hunting next week! Sounds like you've got a fun crew. Hope you get at least one each.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Uncle Vic - The Easily Entertained...
Vic Roy -- 24 June 2000, at 6:26 p.m. EDT

Thanks for entertaining the socal guy, Patrick. We are getting ready to go to a Mexican Party at one of my young lawyer's home. Better have the good stuff. Been greasing up the 80-W's all day. I be ready.

The Block Island deal is gonna be iffy for Uncle Vic - Capy, the Rusky clears with the dead fish may tip the balance. I gotta figure out how to get from San Diego to Block Island in a day, and the airlines say I can do it if all goes well, but I won't get there til late. Looking at it.

Vic

Re: Uncle Vic - The Easily Entertained...
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 24 June 2000, at 5:56 p.m. EDT

Wayne,

It's http://usamarine.net/cgi-bin/general/bbs.cgi?read=1263 for Vic's post, but the URL has changed to: http://www.pancanal.com/eng/photo/camera-java.html

From the main bulletin board page, there's a link, (just under the FAQ link at top), to search the board. Works for keywords or for "messages posted by".

Best regards,

Patrick

bertram 31 - bertram31.com images

Pamama Canal Cam

Re: Uncle Vic - The Easily Entertained...
Wayne -- 24 June 2000, at 5:42 p.m. EDT

Hey Uncle Vic I missed the address of the Panama cam. U still got it? gettin board catchin albacore here.!So. Cal.

U.S. History 101.... Block Island Style
mike ohlstein -- 23 June 2000, at 10:27 p.m. EDT

Back in the last century, we were involved in a little skirmish which is commonly referred to as W.W.II. When it finally wound down, Douglas MacArthur accepted the Japs surrender on some type of boat (non 31B) in the South Pacific. The date was August 14, 1945, VJ Day. Presently, only one state in the union still celebrates that occasion. That's right folks, it's R.I. That's why there's nary a hotel room left on the island for the weekend of 8-11,12,13. I was told tonight that if we want to be docked/moored/rafted anywhere near each other, we need to coordinate our arrival time too. Any of you guys know when you'll be arriving?

Re: Winding down......Question
Vic Roy -- 23 June 2000, at 2:48 p.m. EDT

Capy - all of the above. My favorite is the Rusky clear stuff, and I'll bring my own tin of anchovies to stuff the olives.

I've got my crew together for next week, and it's a killer. One of my patent partners, Bob, an asst. US Atty (invent and immunity all at the same time), plus Stan Smith from New Orleans, who has posted on this board and is repowering a 31 with 300 Yanmars, is gonna come. Plus me and my driver Snow. Every time I've had Bob and the fed on the boat we have caught a least one blue marlin. In fact, after tagging about a 300 a couple years ago, had a 900 plus dump us the same day.

If I sound ready, I is. Mental and body flameout has hit. I'm not gonna hit a lick at a snake until late July. Finally.

I emailed the marina on Block Island and waiting for a reply. Thanks a bunch for all the help. I plan to be there.

Vic

Re: Winding down......Question
capy -- 23 June 2000, at 12:49 p.m. EDT

Vic,

Which do you prefer?,

a)scotch
b)bourbon
c)irish
d)sour mash
e)Russian(I make a mean martini with anchovie stuffed olives, or so I am told)
f)All of the above.

I probably will have at least two of the above representatives on board, let me know your favorite.

Re: Better selection of Places to stay
capy -- 23 June 2000, at 11:41 a.m. EDT

better link

more choices

Places to stay On Block Island
capy -- 23 June 2000, at 11:15 a.m. EDT

To anyone intrested,

Follow this link for accomadation options.
If my planned guests bail out on the trip, Vic, you can have the dinette berth. I'm a snorer too, my wife says she could'nt fall asleep without it.

regards,

capy

Hotels inns and the like, on Block Island

Moppie
Diamond Dave -- 23 June 2000, at 10:16 a.m. EDT

Hi all,

Page 4 of the new Soundings has a short tribute to Mr. Bertram and a picture of the original Moppie. Certainly not a giant step from that to your boats... throw on a cabin and a bridge and presto....b31!!!

Re: Uncle Vic - The Easily Entertained...
Capt Mike Holmes -- 23 June 2000, at 9:52 a.m. EDT

I think some folks made a good point that the death penalty foes picked the wrong guy for a poster child. He should have gotten the needle for any one of the other 20 or so robberies, shootings, and rapes he committed that week - after he killed the Lambert guy. Jesse and Bianca and Al Sharpton could have joined him and not upset the natural balance of the world.

Got to go to North Texas this morning. Think I'll take along pictures of the boat to keep me company!

Re: Winding down......
mike ohlstein -- 22 June 2000, at 11:14 p.m. EDT

Not quite sure what to do yet...

I keep my boat about a 3 hour ride from Block, so I might just go for the day on Saturday. If the weather isn't too bad, I'd consider an overnighter out in the cannon.

Could probably use some crew....

Re: Uncle Vic - The Easily Entertained...
Vic Roy -- 22 June 2000, at 9:59 p.m. EDT

Mike - watching the same thing. I have defended some death penalty cases (for free) in the distant past. Had a few fry. (Uncle Vic can't do magic all the time, guys) My view is that the "demonstrations" are all Al Gore directed bull##### to make Bust look bad. Gimme a break - Hiraldo is in the crowd talking like this guy has been railroaded, when 30 appeals have been denied. I used to give talks to high school kids about lawyering, and the kids would always want to know (1) how can you represent someone you know is "guilty"? - answer is I don't decide who is "guilty", since its a legal term of art, called a jury. (2) How can you deal with the fact that your client might go to the eletric chair? Short answer - tell 'em to be careful where they sit. Real answer - Our legal system is among the best in the world, and we let 100 guilty folks loose in order to prevent one innocent one from going to jail. Should it be 200 to one? A million to one, like the idiot Hiraldo suggests? We the people run a real world, not a commune where flowers deck every hall; some folks kill, rape and rob.

Anyway, Mike, looks like they gonna put the guy to sleep anyway tonite. Justice is the system working, and in my experience, to listen to the inmates, there is not a guilty person in the whole jail. But I have talked to the jurors that convicted them, and some that have sent them to death, and these are very serious people that gave the accused every benefit of the doubt.

Double proof that Uncle Vic needs to go fishing. I don't even do that crap anymore. But when I did, I gave it my best, and it is the last true blood sport.

Vic

Re: Uncle Vic - The Easily Entertained...
Capt Mike Holmes -- 22 June 2000, at 9:41 p.m. EDT

Vic, I used to hand around with a bunch of cajun musicians from SE Texas and SW LA. One went out in the big world with some top rock bands and said he discovered once he got out of Port Arthur, everything was backwards! Waiting to see if we kill Gary Graham tonight - talk about hate crimes! He hated folks, and he did some bad crimes, and he's been causing trouble for us ever since!

Re: Uncle Vic - The Easily Entertained...
Vic Roy -- 22 June 2000, at 9:21 p.m. EDT

Patrick - thanks for clearing my name. The voodoo thing is misunderstood. There is in fact some of it down here still, but it's done by some creole folks, and not understood by anyone else. Comes from the west indies. Sort of like the gypsy folks in europe. I had a creole lady that worked for us a long time ago that was into voodoo. she smoked - no bull - a corncob pipe. My wife infomed me one day that the lady had but a key in one of my shoes, which is a bad sign. Same day some of the family silver was missing. Solution - Uncle Vic pursuaded local law enforcement to do their duty and arrest the bitch; got my silver forks back from her house. Before hate crime legislation. Found out many years later, when she got out of jail, that she "hated" me because I never complained about anything at home. Go Figure.

Obviously, this waxing and waning demonstrates Uncle Vic badly needs a fishing trip, and then chilling out over the pond, which is about to happen. We all need to cool our jets, and just be thankful that we have a 31. I plan to commit a hate crime next week as I sit, ramrod straight, in the helm chair of my 31, and pass the asshole in the Bayliner, and flip him the bird.

Small things make life worthwhile.

Vic

Re: Uncle Vic - The Easily Entertained...
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 22 June 2000, at 8:58 p.m. EDT

Uncle Vic,

I'm as easily distracted as you are entertained!! Just saw the words Levee Cam alongside Mississippi and made the assumption... Sory ole' buddy, didn't mean to yankee-fy ya'!

I've got a couple of friends up the Cacalsieu River in Lake Charles and know too well how great the area is. Made several sportfish deliveries through your neck of the woods, even stayed at Venice a couple of times. Had a great aunt that was full blood Cajun, the family rumor was that she even practiced voo-doo. I think mainly on her old man...

Spank one of them blues for me next week!

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Winding down......
Vic Roy -- 22 June 2000, at 8:49 p.m. EDT

Capy - thanks for the link - I sent them a coonass email begging for the broom closet, or the sofa in the bar, which I promised I would shut down at night.

We will see. I've been known to weasel my way into sold out hotels before - sometimes at the government rate to boot. But you did not tell me if I need to bring my own whisky. It's not like a dry county, huh?

For whatever it's worth, they have a nice wedsite.

bon soire

Vic

Re: Uncle Vic - The Easily Entertained...
Vic Roy -- 22 June 2000, at 7:16 p.m. EDT

Patrick - if that's my back yard, I'm an armadillo. That cam is in Rock Island, Ill. The only common thing is it is on the Miss. River. The only way anything from there gets here is when they flush the cammode, and a few weeks later, it floats by.

Indeed Uncle Vic is ealily entertained. It's a coonass trait. A livecam on the Formerly Sinking, Soon to be Concrete Houseboat would be a hoot. You guys would see stuff that would demonstrate the cultural gap between coonasses and the rest of the world. Like 20 count shrimp for 80 cents a pound, or a bushel for a $6 bottle to booze. Most fish are given away to whoever can use them. Slip rents? If you know the people, free. Low on diesel offshore? Call an oilfield supply boat or oil rig, and they will give you 100 gallons without question. You will give them some fresh red snapper, of course, and a six pack. Different world, different place, different time. The older I get, and the more I travel, the more I realize how happy I am to be just a plain ole coonass.

Vic

Re: Winding down......
Vic Roy -- 22 June 2000, at 7:04 p.m. EDT

Mike - so where is the 4 hole Buick? A packing crate? Or would someone like to rent Uncle vic one of the berths on your 31? I do snore, I'm told when wound up on the Kool-aid. I slept 6 guys on Another Joy 50 miles offshore one nite. Three of them were college students, and we 3 "adults" locked them out. They fished all nite and had the cockpit full of yellowfins the next moring.

Anyway, been with the local feds all day chasing crooks, which is normal. You guys cannot beleive how much big time fraud goes on in our beloved country, and some of the excuses are outragous. My blood pressure is just now returning to normal, aided by a clear.

Gotta go make the list for my fishing trip next week. Blue water hot, hot, hot. Gonna be there Monday pm thru Thurs.

So long, and bonjour.

Uncle Vic

Re: Winding down......
mike ohlstein -- 22 June 2000, at 11:49 a.m. EDT

The hotel is booked solid for that weekend....

Re: Winding down......
capy -- 22 June 2000, at 11:40 a.m. EDT

Vic,

just follow this link.....all will be answered.

Champlins Marina

Uncle Vic - The Easily Entertained...
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 22 June 2000, at 8:59 a.m. EDT

Uncle Vic,

I know you like exotic places, such as the Panama Canal... Here's a webcam in your own back yard: http://www.qconline.com/webcam/qclcam.html

Maybe you should get a webcam positioned stragically located on the Floating Concrete Hotel... The rest of us can watch some coonass kick-back in action!

BTW: The best cam and bigest bank for the buck is the ViCAM @ http://www.vistaimaging.com/

Have fun on your fishing trip, wish I could be along...

Best regards,

Patrick

bertram 31 - bertram31.com images

LeveeCam

Re: What do you think?
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 21 June 2000, at 10:11 p.m. EDT

Just getting to the point where I can drink by myself a little, but need both hands, sorta. I've been to W. Falls twice now since becoming involved with the current Mrs. Capt. Mike - not that thrilled about a 3rd trip. Her family is from atiny little egg farming town called Windthorst. They have a lake with red water, but no 31's. Bad place. My motor guy got hit in the face with a freeze plug that blew out of a manifold he was testing. 1 stitches in the cheek, damaged eye. Makes my hand deal seem kinds minor.

Re: What do you think?
Vic Roy -- 21 June 2000, at 7:42 p.m. EDT

Sonny - glad you got the point. Down here on the bayou we don't put up with any b.s. You is, or you ain't. You demonstrated you is an ain't.

Ain't's require not only cash up front, but a sorta lie detector test. Here it is, and just fill in the blanks:

1. Is Vanna's bust line natural? Did that one freehand, Sonny, The Wheel just came one. Hint: not.

2. They are doing The Wheel from New Orleans while I watch, and the miserable examples of why our state is last in every category that counts is obvious - They got a woman from coonassland that ain't a coonass dressed like a peacock who just bought a voual(?) and blew it to hell. Sheeee- what's a vouel.

3. Anyway, forget no. 2, just an observation; man, this Wheel show is awful. Back to the point - second thing you gotta pass is the FAA test: 1. Do the houses get smaller or bigger when you pull back on the wheel? 2. How many whisky ladies do it take to serve 5 coonasses?
3. What do you do when the dog in the cargo bay starts howling right after you land? 4. Right after you take off? 5. After you been crusin' at FL 390? Hint to #5, - Good Dog.

Update - the fat coonass woman just spun bankrupt on the Wheel.

anyway, Uncle Vic is just biding his time.

Easily entertained, for sure.

vic

Re: What do you think?
SONNY -- 21 June 2000, at 6:06 p.m. EDT

Vic- What kind of law do you do in LA? Is it Marie Antionete, Wellington, or Napoleon? Do you still have the Guillotine? Are all fees due before exoneration, or after conviction? I don't give them unsecured personal notes out to just anyone. Sonny

Re: All this time off has been a hoot!
Richard A. Miller -- 21 June 2000, at 5:10 p.m. EDT

Dug - I won't be around this week-end (have to go to Stockholm), but I'll be around Fishers for the 4th. If you are still suffering from B31 withdrawl then, come on over in your whaler and I'll give you a fix!

Re: What do you think?
Vic Roy -- 21 June 2000, at 4:33 p.m. EDT

Mike, glad you came out o.k. on the hand deal. Maybe later in the summer and fall. We have a ball with the marlin over here in Sept. and Oct. I sho' am glad I don't have to go to Witicha Falls this weekend. Been there. Seems like there is a federal minimum security jail around there I went to once to interview a crooked banker, and it had no bars on the windows. On the other hand, you could stand on a chair and see 50 miles. No reason to break out, when you had 3 hots and a cot right there.

Drink with your right hand, Mike.

Vic

Re: Winding down......
Vic Roy -- 21 June 2000, at 4:28 p.m. EDT

Thanks, Capy. I'll give them a call. Do they sell whisky on Block Island, or do I have to bring my own? Is there a hotel/motel/whorehouse/abandoned 4 hole Buick within walking distance to the marina?

Vic

Re: What do you think?
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 21 June 2000, at 4:17 p.m. EDT

I like the mist idea. Chikc Sharp tells everyone that you got a free bathing suit when you bought a new 31, since you're gonna get wet running one! The mist would help keep the salt off also!

Vic, sure wish I could take you up on that fishing trip, but I'm just now able to type a few words - don't think I'll be doing much with this left hand for a month. The wife is trying to haul me to Witchita Falls for her family reunion this weekend, and I can't really fight back.

Re: Winding down......
capy -- 21 June 2000, at 3:43 p.m. EDT

Vic,

There is scheduled puddle jumper flights from Westerly R.I. during the summer from 7 am to 7:30pm On hour all day!

Call New England Airlines: 1-800-243-2460 ~ FAX 1-401-596-7366

Summer Schedule

Westerly to Block Island:
7:30 am - 7:30 pm -- Half past EVERY HOUR, Every Day!
Thursday until 8:30 pm
Friday until 10:30 pm

Block Island to Westerly:
8:00 am - 8:00 pm -- EVERY HOUR on the hour, Every Day!
Monday, beginning at 7:00 am
Friday until 10:00 pm

Regards,

capy

Re: What do you think?
Vic Roy -- 21 June 2000, at 2:40 p.m. EDT

Sonny - yeah, I'll take the note, as long as you sign it in Louisiana.

Your benefactor, Uncle Vic

Re: What do you think?
SONNY -- 21 June 2000, at 12:55 p.m. EDT

Vic- I'm soon to get the info. on the units used at sea world. They shoot a fog mist 15' and use one gallon per hour. A washdown pump can supply enough pressure. Maybe 10 gals. of water and a bag of ice will last for two afternoons. As for the $5000, would you take an unsecured note for 5 big units? Sonny

Re: Winding down......
Vic Roy -- 21 June 2000, at 12:53 p.m. EDT

Capy, I would be honored, and plan to come. I think the judge in this g.d. case in have in San Diego just gave us a repreive of a couple of months, so it may well work out. Can you fly commercial to Block Island? I don't drive anymore due to my eyes, so I pretty much have to get close by air.

Sounds like a hoot.

Vic

Re: Winding down......
capy -- 21 June 2000, at 12:35 p.m. EDT

Vic,

I hope you will stop by block island around the 12th of august on your return, should be quite a sight, also I would really like to knock back a few with you and hear some of your sage advice and witicsm's live and on stage.

Respectfully,

capy

Re: Winding down......
Vic Roy -- 21 June 2000, at 11:48 a.m. EDT

Jeff - will do. The blue water is only 3 miles out of South Pass right now, which is too close, but the close rigs will all be hot a a firecracker next week, which is when I'm going. Be my last trip until I get back from Switzerland the end of July. Geeezz - 16k a/c will do the trick; I have 12 and it's like a freezer. Mechanic fixing my genset today - the high water temp sensor went out and I had to bypass it to keep it running. Not a good idea long term.

Capt. Tony - don't forget about my big flounder. I'll get in touch the end of July.

Maybe I can find a cyber-cafe across the pond and keep in touch.

Jeff - remember - gotta fish where they live, and must be present to win.

Vic

Winding down......
Jeff -- 21 June 2000, at 9:54 a.m. EDT

We're leaving for the last marlin tournament of the Georgia season this afternoon. The fishing has been terrible the last couple of weeks. Boats have had a hard time just catching a couple of decent dolphin. It's been a different kind of season this year. The dog days of summer seem to have gotten here early. I'm trying to get physched (sp) up to not expect but a few strikes a day, and not get frustrated. One big fat blue marlin would go a long way toward bringing home the bacon. Uncle Vic, if you catch a blue, how about holding on to him and I'll charter a plane over to LA, and pick him up. We'll make it worth your time. Our mechanic is half way thru to putting in a used 16000 btu reverse cycle a/c, and is going to have to pull off this afternoon while we go catch a marlin tomorrow. It's only units...

Re: What do you think?
Vic Roy -- 21 June 2000, at 6:39 a.m. EDT

Sonny - one of your better ideas. I will do the patent for $25,000 since you are a friend of mine. Send a $5.000 retainer check payable to "Uncle Vic Concrete Houseboat Fund", and I'll get right on it when I have time.

I'm like Carlos - I still have my old Icom 125 and it is head and shoulders above any other radio on the market, period. I have a box here in the shop with a dozen dead Motorolas, Horizons, a JVC, a Raytheon, etc. All junk. That old Icom has beef, and a big knob and a display even half-blind folks like me can see.

Dug, I can't afford to be that rich to get one of the sky phones, plus, when I go fishing I'm not too interested in the phone ringing. Glad you are enjoying unemployment; I'm considering it myself.

See ya'll

vic

Re: What do you think?
Carlos Sucre -- 21 June 2000, at 12:17 a.m. EDT

Not bad idea, but I already built a cockpit pool. I love diving from the flybridge.
Keep it up Sonny, youre on the right track. Maybe Uncle Vic can add something.
Still have my old Icom 120. have not tried the eclipse.
Regards
Carlos

Re: Long range communications
Dug -- 20 June 2000, at 11:05 p.m. EDT

vic, last but not least...

www.globalstar.com
www.comsat.com
www.ico.com
www.KVH.com
www.teledisc.com

good luck, and again, globalstar...

Re: Long range communications
Dug -- 20 June 2000, at 11:03 p.m. EDT

Vic,

Pick up a copy of the new July 2000 issue of Power and Motoryacht. They have a full article on satellite communication options.

looks like KVH, and Globalstar are the best options. I would recommend either, but lean towards the Globalstar.

Dug

Re: Getting there!
Jeff -- 20 June 2000, at 2:30 p.m. EDT

Four blues in one trip!!! I'd better climb back up in the tower and scan for some cod breaking the surface! I only know of about 10 blues caught off the coast of Georgia this entire season so far. I didn't realize the quality of fishing yaw' had off the coast of Texas. I guess nobody ever said life was going to be fair.

Re: dead Bayliner
mike ohlstein -- 20 June 2000, at 1:23 p.m. EDT

73 FBC 230HP Yanmars with 2 hours, 222 gals diesel, half tower, teak decks, 5 adults.....28 knots. Thanks for the prop size info Vic...20 X 22 four blades seem to do the trick.

All this time off has been a hoot!
Dug -- 20 June 2000, at 12:27 p.m. EDT

Well the time has been productive for the past week or so! I spent the beginning of last week turning a wrench on my own motors last week, and have made progress, but they are still not in yet. My GD mechanic is off sailing this week at Block Island, so it will be a week or so more I reckon before they are close to being runnable, and if the mechanic has the guts to bill me for time this past week, well Uncle Vic, you might get a call for help! We shall see...

I spent the weekend boating on the family whaler, and took a friend out to Block for Race Week, and ended up spending the night as the fog was fairly thick and the rain began to fall as well. I have spent the night on the whaler in the past, and the fiberglass is cold, hard and wet, a bad combo. Been there done that, and don't want to again! Not enclosed like a certain other boat I own and would have taken home in a heart beat... But I woke up to a harbor full of nice tricked out racing sailboats, and crystal clear waters. I do believe that Champlins will make an excellent location for our rendezvous, as the water is clean as can be due to the success of the highly enforced illegality of even dumping grey water over the side... Should make a great place to swim and play when the water gets above the 62 degree temp it is now...Brrrrr!!! Them sailor boys are crazy to jump over the side and scrub the bottom every morning! I am hoping they put us on the left outside dock for the best ability to take pictures, it should be great and I am looking forward to it!!!

Richard Miller, I stopped by a week or so ago, and Mischief looks great! Saw your brother on Pagan, and asked him to say hi. Hope to find you on one of the near weekends!

I am headed back out to Block Island on the Whaler tomorrow morning, as there really is nothing left to do on Alchemy for now, and will enjoy the next couple of days on board the little boat. Take care all and I hope to bring in a couple of fluke or stripers out off of Block. Supposed to be great fishing, so we shall see! I got skunked last weekend on Fathers day with Dad, but I think we got started too late. My fault...

If this keeps up, I don't think I will want to go back to work!!! Just kidding, I am starting the serious search as we speak.

Talk to you all soon, and tight lines!

D

Re: RE ARRANGE
Dug -- 20 June 2000, at 12:06 p.m. EDT

It ain't rocket science, but it is such good eating!!!!

Re: Sportfishing Calendar
Dug -- 20 June 2000, at 12:01 p.m. EDT

You know if you call the lodge, you can buy a Guy Harvey print of a giant Blue Marlin breaking the water behind a 31' Bertram. The lodge commissioned him to do the painting for them, as he is a frequent visitor on "research" trips...

I bought one from them at the Miami show and he was kind enough to sign it with the message "Viva the 31, "Alchemy"" for me. Very nice and framed on my bedroom wall!!!

Someday I will get down there!

Re: Boat's History
Dug -- 20 June 2000, at 11:57 a.m. EDT

Great History Mike!

I am the 6th owner of mine, the guy two owners ago walked up during the first winter I was working on her. I was waist deep above the headliner cutting gobs of wire out of her and he is just standing there watching with this quizzical look in his eye. we got to talking and had some interesting stories to share!

It came with the original users manual, with the first summer usage log in the back, makes for some really neat stories. I bought her in Swansea, MA, and she interestingly enough was originally from Mystic, where she is again now. It is fun to track the history that is for sure, and I like you will be giving her the finest I can for as long as I can!

D

Re: First Blitz Y2K
Dug -- 20 June 2000, at 11:51 a.m. EDT

Ric, if you need crew, don't hesitate to call! 617-592-4834, I am relaxing and laid off right now!

Best,

Dug

Re: Where do I start?!
Dug -- 20 June 2000, at 11:46 a.m. EDT

Well, Rick, you could not get advice from a better group. Nor could you get better advice. I have learned a ton during my restoration of Alchemy, and everything said is true. I also do not have much to add, except the question of where do you keep her? Enjoy, and feel free to ask more questions!

Dug

Re: Long range communications
Dug -- 20 June 2000, at 11:28 a.m. EDT

Vic, there are other satellite systems than the iridium. I am trying to remember the others, and will send you info when I do dig them out of my prematurely retired head...

They do work well, and are cheaper than the SSB. so says my electronics dealer anyway... I will let you know when I remember.

Dug

Re: What do you think?
Dug -- 20 June 2000, at 11:25 a.m. EDT

Sonny! I think the mister is a great idea! I am eager to try it....

As for the Horizon eclipse, I put one on my boat a couple of weeks ago with the RAM mike on the flybridge, and love it. It is fantastic, and the upper and lower intercom functionality is really nice. I am looking forward to requesting beverages without having to yell all the time!

As for Alchemy, my damned mechanic is sailing at Block Island all week, so I see at least another 2 weeks (including this one) before she goes in. Don't get me started...

Talk soon!

D

Re: Insurance question
Russ -- 20 June 2000, at 7:28 a.m. EDT

craig,mine weights 12900, full fuel, no water,1973 fbc 454,s.

Re: dead Bayliner
Vic Roy -- 20 June 2000, at 6:11 a.m. EDT

72 FBC with 250 hp 6bta Cummins, 222 gal diesel; 29 kts wot. I guess it depends on how long the race is.

Vic

What do you think?
SONNY -- 20 June 2000, at 2:54 a.m. EDT

Uncle Vic, Jeff, Mike ,Carlos and all the rest of the 31 billfishermen, what do you think of this idea? To sit in the cockpit in the sun all day long is rough regardless ofhow many beers and Cohibas are on board. About two oclock I start thinking of "The Ancient Mariner", as in " all the boards did shrink", and start thinking how nice it would be inshore bottom fishing for cod, so I could go forward into the air conditioning and hide. What do you think of this? Install a 20 or 30 gal. fresh water tank (aft)and hook up one or two of those water misters under the deckhouse eves to blow mist back into the cockpit. Like being in London back there. Think it would be great, especially during the struggle ( Any fish on my boat is a struggle). All the material can be purchased at a lawn and garden store. Anyone who has done this, or has other ideas, please comment. My boat is still out of the water for at least another three weeks. No paint on her yet, but the fairing is beautiful. We did away with all those 3/4 " alum. fairing strips for a clean finish. If i'm still around when it's finished i'll submit photos of before and after, though it didn't look too bad before. Also caught the chatter about radios on the forum. For vhf, has anyone tried that new standard (eclipse?). I have one with the 1 small unit ($100) lower station. When I want a gar and glass of wine, just call the wife in the cabin. When I want something else, just call her on the bridge and say autopilot, 1200 rpm, and come on down!

Re: Insurance question
SONNY -- 20 June 2000, at 2:01 a.m. EDT

I SAW ONE WITH THE 3208 CATS. GO TO 14600 ON THE BOAT YARD SCALE. IT WAS A FULL, IN USE FBC. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH FUEL WAS IN THE TANK. ALSO CRAIG, TO COMMENT ON ANOTHER OF YOUR QUESTIONS RE/ FILLING THE WATER TANK, ON MY BOAT I INSTALLED A DOCKSIDE PRESSURE WATER SYSTEM THAT BYPASSES THE PUMP. I HAVE A VALVE IN THE COCKPIT NEXT TO THE HOOKUP THAT WILL DIVERT WATER TO THE TANK. FILLS UP IN ABOUT THREE MINUTES. NEED TO PUT A PRESSURE RELIEF VALVE ON THE TANK. YOU KNOW WHEN IT IS FULL WHEN IT SOUNDS LIKE A BULL WIZZEN IN YOUR BILGE. TAKES A DAY OF THOUGHT, AND TWO DAYS TO INSTALL. ALSO TAKES ABOUT TWO SMALL UNITS.

Re: dead Bayliner
Wayne -- 20 June 2000, at 2:01 a.m. EDT

Good game it was . They like to keep u interested... I sure am ashamed the way we celabrate around here. I got gas 454 s 30knots w/ 270gals fuel full. 1978 repowered in 91 soon to be dieselized by me & yours is?

Re: Insurance question
craig santamaria -- 19 June 2000, at 11:24 p.m. EDT

THANKS FOR THE INFO HEY ANY IDEA WHAT MY BOAT WEIGHS?

Re: dead Bayliner
Vic Roy -- 19 June 2000, at 8:10 p.m. EDT

Wayne - she is sure humming at least. I see in the paper that the Lakers are 7 and a half favorites. Bookies don't lie.

I'm pulling for the Lakers myself, since I had the pleasure of meeting Shaq a few times when he palyed here in Baton Rouge. Class guy, with a head screwed on straight. I hope he scores 75 tonite, and I got nothing on the game, since betting on sports always took the fun out of it for me.

Now, I'll bet you my 31 will outrun your 31......

Uncle Vic

Re: dead Bayliner
Wayne -- 19 June 2000, at 7:59 p.m. EDT

Stay tuned ... the "fat lady" is gettin ready to sing..

Re: Long range communications
Vic Roy -- 19 June 2000, at 7:11 p.m. EDT

Jeff - good info. I'm been figuring out where I can put an SSB on mine, and am leaning to one of the new SEA split units, with a small control head and the main transmitter unit somewhere else. On the other hand, I have a 12 db vhf antenna that's about 22 ft and an Icom vhf with a hard wire 12v to the batteries, and I get 50 miles boat to another boat with a decent antenna and radio. I can use my cell phone just about anywhere in the north gulf using Petrocom, which as cells on the oil rigs, but they are real proud of it - $7.50 a day access charge, and about a buck and a half a minute. The hand held sattelite system seems to have cratered.

On still the other hand, you can now get a ham radio license without having to learn morse code, so the 100 watt HF ham sets, that are about the size of a vhf, are an option, and will cover the SSB marine bands.

I just gotta have more radios on my boat. I have so many antennas now on the half tower now that the sheriff thinks I'm a dope boat.

Dreamin'

Vic

Re: dead Bayliner
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 19 June 2000, at 5:33 p.m. EDT

You're right, I guess Kobie really didn't play Friday night, - but he was on the court!

Re: dead Bayliner
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 19 June 2000, at 5:30 p.m. EDT

Aren't they the ones who lost to the Pacers Friday night by 33 points?

Long range communications
Jeff -- 19 June 2000, at 5:10 p.m. EDT

We have a small marlin tower on the Cold Duck, so our antenna extensions start at the floor of the tower. We have what looks to be a 12 or 14 foot extension with an 8' vhf antenna on the port side with great range. However, it's still a long reach to shore from 80 to 90 miles out. As a back up, there was another extension on the starboard side that had a loran ant. that we trashed. We put a 8' Shakespeare combo (Mo. 5229) vhf/cellular on that extension, and on most days, have cellular service which is mighty nice out there! We use my 3 watt bagphone under the helm. We also put a backup vhf in the salon mounted on the headliner next to the head bulkhead over the galley. It all works great. Just an idea....

Re: Insurance question
Russ -- 19 June 2000, at 3:42 p.m. EDT

CRAIG, TRY BOATUS THEY INSURE ME WITH A 73 B31, THE CAN BE REACHED ON BOATUS.COM.GOOD LUCK P.S. I HAD A GOOD SURVEY BUT STILL HAD TO CORRECT A FEW ITEMS AND MAIL THEM A LETTER STATING THAT THEY HAD BEEN TAKEN CARE OF. RUSS

Re: dead Bayliner
Vic Roy -- 19 June 2000, at 2:33 p.m. EDT

That's why we have bookies, Wayne.

Re: dead Bayliner
Wayne -- 19 June 2000, at 12:55 p.m. EDT

When his little buddy dont play , wahoppens?

Re: Insurance question
capy -- 19 June 2000, at 10:06 a.m. EDT

Craig,

Try these guys,

Gowrie, Barden and Brett
Westbrook Connecticutt 800-882-2733

they insure mine, 1961 bertram 31 sptfsh

regards,

capy

Re: dead Bayliner
Vic Roy -- 19 June 2000, at 6:48 a.m. EDT

The only reason the Lakers are any good is Shaq, and he went to -------- LSU!

Re: dead Bayliner
Wayne -- 19 June 2000, at 2:15 a.m. EDT

Ever heard o the LAKERS?

Re: Bertram 31 renovations
craig santamaria -- 18 June 2000, at 10:52 p.m. EDT

I WOULD LIKE SOME ADVICE CONCERNING RECONDITIONIG MY FBC I HAVE TAKEN OUT THE BENCH SEAT FORWARD OF TABLE DUE TO ROTTED WOOD AND AM PLANNING TO REPLACE IT (ANY MORE CURRENT OPTIONS?)

Re: removing stock water tank
craig santamaria -- 18 June 2000, at 10:44 p.m. EDT

I WAS WONDERING WHERE YOU FILL THE WATE TANK I DONT HAVE ANY WATER CAP ON GUNNEL ???????

Re: New Owner
craig santamaria -- 18 June 2000, at 10:40 p.m. EDT

I WOUL BE INT IN SOME INFO

Re: Insurance question
craig santamaria -- 18 June 2000, at 10:12 p.m. EDT

I HAVE JUST RECENTLY BOUGHT MU 31 AND BECAUSE OF A POOR SURVEY I AM UNABLE TO OBTAIN COVERAGE AND IT IS ALLWAYS IN THE WATER BEHIND MY HOME IN FLA. I SOLD MY OTHER BOAT TO HAVE THIS ONE I ALSO HAVE A 14000 POUND CRADLE LIFT THAT I NEED TO PUT IT ON I AM HAVING IT BEAFED UP TO HANDLE 20000 POUNDS MY BOAT IS A 1982 31 FBC W/3208T CATS . MY LIT CRADLES ARE 9 FT APART AND THE LIFT IS 12FT WIDE I WAS WONDERING WITH 12 FT BUNKS IF MY 31 WILL HAVE ENOUGH SUPPORT AT THE SLING POINTS ALSO NOT REALLY SURE HOW MUCH IS THE TOTAL WEIGHT? ANT HELP?

Re: LSU TIGERS WIN CWS
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 18 June 2000, at 10:07 p.m. EDT

Our totally non-racist fishing tournament out of Freeport, the Watermelon Open (held every Juneteenth weekend - for those not familar with Texas history, that's the day the Yankees landed in Galveston at the end of the Civil war and officially freed the slaves) got cancelled this weekend due to weather. What with all the fuss about Confederate flags and such, doen't know how long they can get away with having this one anyway!

Re: 12 volt wiring
craig santamaria -- 18 June 2000, at 9:59 p.m. EDT

IM IN POMPANO BEACH FLA I HAVE AN 82 31 FBC W/3208T I AM TRYING TO FIND A DIAGRAHM FOR THE WIREING . ANY HELP GREATLY APPRECIATED.

Re: LSU TIGERS WIN CWS
Vic Roy -- 18 June 2000, at 2:27 p.m. EDT

Mike - the 31 had 210 hp 3208 naturals, and was the smoothes riding 31 I have ever been on. It would cruise about 23 kts, but pretty much do that in any sea. It would run 23 dead into a 4 ft whitecap and not even shudder. I think 3208's weigh something like 2300 lbs with the gear, as opposed to my 6bta's at about 1300. Another ton of low slung wieght don't hurt. He borke a crank on one of them gunning it in the slip, so who knows.

If I ever get a scanner, or figure out how to work one, I'll put up a pix of son Capt. Brent with a 11 1/2 lb bass he caught recently at night on False River. Some doc paid him $400 to guide him that nite on the doc's boat. Brent has maybe fished False River three times in his life, and the doc catches a 5 and a 6, and Brent snags the big 'un. No justice in the world.

Man, I don't know about haveing both hands done at the same time. Have to drink martinis with a straw.

The rip is only about 5 miles out of South Pass; Brent had a charter party fishing specks at the end of Pass a Lourte yesterday and heard the big boats fishing the New Orleans Invitational on his handheld vhf; they were nailing the blue marlin. I heard they tagged 41 blues in two days, and had a 700 something on the dock. I'm going to try to go end of next week and for sure the following week. Looking for crew; I can pick up at New Orleans airport and provide lodging on the currently NON sinking houseboat. Anyone want to come, call me tomorrow at the office 800 260 9908 or simply email me a home, royvictor@home.com or at the office vlr@rktlaw.com .

Man, after the last few weeks, all I gotta say, is FREE AT LAST, THANK GOD I'M FREE AT LAST! Delta, shove it for a while. Yo' Honor, Uncle Vic outta yo' clutches for a least 6 weeks. AAAIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

So long.

Re: LSU TIGERS WIN CWS
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 18 June 2000, at 10:43 a.m. EDT

Vic, raining here this morning. So far I haven't missed much fish due to the boat not being running. Getting closer every day, but I'm having that hand surgery (on both hands) tomorrow morning, so that will slow me down even more. Did your buddy's 31 run pretty good with the cats? Sounds like the cajun rule of boat engines, "If the boat don't sink, tha motor asin't too big!" I went bass fishing on False River one night with some coon-asses in little bitty "bateaus" with great big outboards on them. Scared me half to death!

LSU TIGERS WIN CWS
Vic Roy -- 18 June 2000, at 12:00 a.m. EDT

In case you missed it, the LSU Tigers won the College World Series over the Stanford BoneHeads 6-5 in the bottom of the 9th. I got to watch the whole game, since I got stuck for 7 and a half hours at DFW when they shut the airport down due to some SERIOUS = like tornados - weather. I am now home at 11 pm after getting up in San Diego at 4 am. But, on the other hand, that's how you make the big bucks, guys.... You have to sacrifice your body now and then.

Sonny - if your pension check from Delta is short next month, it's cause the DFW Crown Room by gate 34 ran out of whisky. There were 7 or 8 coonasses stuck there watching the LSU game, and the place is now dry.

GOOOOOOOOO TIGERS! LSU, LSU, LSU - NATIONAL CHAMPS.

Bon Soire - going fishing next week.

Uncle Vic

dead Bayliner
Vic Roy -- 16 June 2000, at 7:57 p.m. EDT

Guys, I cannot resist. Most of you know Uncle Vic's distain for the "boat" they call Bayliner. I just was sitting on my balcony at the San Diego Marriott Marina and saw a commercial sea tow boat with a disabled sportsfisherman on its hip. Uncle Vic's had a pretty tough couple of weeks, so I'm sitting out there with a clear drink and a smoke. I go inside and get my little Nikons out of my bag, and zero in - it's a g.d. Bayliner they are towing. I start to laugh, and laugh, and almost fell out of the chair. The Bayliner looked like it had caught fire but - damn - had not sunk. I quickly tired of looking at the piece of crap and turned the Nikons on the swimmig pool 14 floors below. A much more entertaining sight.

Uncle Vic is easily entertained. On the red eye in the morning and home to watch the end of the college world series and my LSU's kick Stanford's but. These Cal. folks have been bitching all week out here about their teams getting waxed.

Bon Soire.

Re: Deadrise
capy -- 16 June 2000, at 1:11 p.m. EDT

Gentlemen,

I took the time to measure the deadrise on my 1961 vintage sportfisherman, and the result?......drum roll please.......23.5 degrees!!

circa 1993 when I purchased her. Angular measurement computed using trigonometry ... could'nt be accurate enough using a pro-tractor to measure it, for a gearhead like myself.

Regards,

capy

Re: Deadrise
springloaded -- 16 June 2000, at 12:53 p.m. EDT

Stan I must be missing something.I could of swore i said 20 x 22 four blade with a med cup.Seems pretty comparable to me.chuck

Marlin publication
Phil -- 16 June 2000, at 11:48 a.m. EDT

The latest issue of Marlin has two nice photos of a B-31 as the cover shots for an article on small sportsfishermen. It is ironoc that with all of the new boats the big pics go to a B-31. The boat simply speaks for itself.

Re: Take a look at this boat...
Stan -- 16 June 2000, at 11:22 a.m. EDT

sure, nice & all but dat damn fight'n chair look a little painful. mm hmm.

Re: Deadrise
Stan Smith -- 16 June 2000, at 10:59 a.m. EDT

Tom, you cant compare your boat to a 1.5:1 gear.I havent put my boat in the water yet but was recomended 20 x 22 four blade (smoother & quieter) by a 31 guru. (i have your exact set up) He also mentioned using a med. cup on the port & light cup on the starboard to make up for the slight ratio differences. (one gear runs in reverse) My boat should be in the water by the end of the summer, please let me know what you go with & how it worked. (even though i already bought my wheels!) thanks & good luck.

Re: Where do I start?!
Stan Smith -- 16 June 2000, at 10:54 a.m. EDT

Tom, you can't compare a 1.5:1 gear to your boat. I have the exact same set up as you do & was recomended 20 x 22 four blade (smoother & quieter) wheels with a medium cup on the port & a light cup on the starboard. (One of your ZF transmissions will be running in reverse & that will be a slight ratio change.)I HAVENT TRIED IT YET, but it was recommended to my by a 31 guru.I should have my boat in the water by the end of the summer, good luck.

Re: Where do I start?!
Stan Smith -- 16 June 2000, at 10:41 a.m. EDT

Rick, Rick, Rick. I did a yrs research before starting on my 1970 flybridge & its been up since last Oct. Double the money & if your like me & doing the work youself, triple the time. Im repowering with 300 Yanmars & replacing everything associated with the drivetrain and then some. Remember,ONLY DO IT ONCE.You couldn't have picked a better boat. Every other time I'm working on her someone stops to admire her.If you need any advice or info on repowering, get in touch.

Re: Boat's History
Capt Mike Holmes -- 15 June 2000, at 10:11 p.m. EDT

One story seems to always lead to another! Got a call today from an old charter boat captain who said he was the first one to ever run my boat to the Gulf. The name then was Gladis H II, and it belonged a a Fred Hagan - a painting contractor who painted the Astro Dome during its construction. He confirmed that it had 413 Chryslers. The second owner was named Van Dresser. This all occurred before the boat was documented, so the Coast Guard could not have provided this information.

I love all this boat history stuff!

Re: Bfore Uncle Vic
Capt Mike Holmes -- 15 June 2000, at 6:12 a.m. EDT

Vic, the guy who told me about your boat was John Autenreith. I think he's in the towboat business in Houston. He's the one who owned my boat and parked it nearly on I-10 after Hurricane Alicia! He's got a 38 Bert with 903 Cummins he's rebuilding now. Says he gets on this site occasionally. Looks like I won't have surgery until Monday, and then on both hands, so I need to really get after the boat work this weekend. Got my Racors Tuesday, so I'll work on the fuel system next. Shouldn't be much left exceot getting batteries and gauges and finish hooking up the exhaust.

Re: Bfore Uncle Vic
Vic Roy -- 15 June 2000, at 12:59 a.m. EDT

Mike - my boat. David Neher is a good friend of mine who has had two 31's - the first a FBC with 3208's with lower steering. I fished on it a lot with him, and he was crazy to have one with a genset. He was in the barge business and knew a guy down the bayou, Pitre, I think, who had a 31, now mine. I talked to Pitrie's captain who told me it had 440 chryslers in it, and Pitrie hated them. Ran it full bore for years trying to burn them up, but they would not break. Pitrie owned a little shipyard, and repowered it with 4-53 GM, and ran it for years, but it was slow, noisy, etc, so in 91 he put the 250 Cummins in it and then shortly sold it to David Neher, who wanted it since it had the lettle Farryman genset on the outboard side o the port engine. I fished with David on it, and that was the worst genset I ever saw. 3600 rpm, and things falling off it all the time. Anyway, anyone that knowws David knows he trades boats at least once every 2 years, like it or not. He got a yearning for a 48 Ocean, so I ended up the the 31. He is boatless right now, after two or 3 Oceans. I had lunch with him a few weeks ago, and he's taling abot a 60 Ocean. David is about my best friend, and a great guy. O

one time he and I went fishing on -now my - 31 when he still owed it and got into the tuna big time. David is a dresser and was siting on the fly bridge in a white outfit - Uncle vic was in the cockpit in his trashy shorts, t-shirt, etc. I would holler at him to circle the school and we would get 2 or 3 tuna on at a time. He would take the boat out of gear and come sit in the chair and wind in the tunas, not a spot of dirt on him. These were 100 plus yellowfins. I would wire and gaff them, then cut them for the ice chest. He would go back on the bridge and drive, spotless. Needless to say, after 12 tunas, Uncle vic was a mess, blood from head to toe. It was only about 9 am, and we had 12. I said let's head in, but Dapper David wanted one more, so I put out one lie with a Halco and hooked right up. David in the chair winds it right up to the back of the boat, about a 60 pounder. I saw only one of the treble hooks had him, and started jerking on the leader to bust him loose, since the last thing I wanted to do was cut another tuna. David started hollering at me to gaff the fish, but I kept jerking on the leader - finally he got off and I held the Halco up and proclaimed the fish had got off. We got back to my houseboat about 10 and had a old fashioned. Doo Doo happens.

Mike - who was the guy that told you the story?

Capy - right on - you are absolutely right on the priority.

Anyhoo, guys, it's late in San Diego, and Uncle Vic is a whipped puppy

Bfore Uncle Vic
Capt Mike Holmes -- 14 June 2000, at 10:09 p.m. EDT

Vic, the guy who owned my boat in 1982-83 called today to shoot the breeze about 31's. Said he had a friend named David Mear(?) from Baton Rouge who had a really nice one with 250 Cumminsnad a little genset with a one cylinder Farryman diesel.
Kept the boat in Venice.

Does this sound like anyone you know?

Re: Where do I start?!
capy -- 14 June 2000, at 9:53 a.m. EDT

Rick,

I just wnated to share a few of my thoughts from my experiences with my boat. The number one rule is....Spend an enormous amount of time figuring out how much a project will cost, make parts lists, calculate manhours required, etc. When you think you have an absolute figure and it can't possibly cost any more...double that amount and then your ready to begin. What may appear to be just fine and not in need of replacement, will probably be the opposite when it is right next to a new piece of equipment you are replacing.

I like to think of a boat project as four distinct phases of restoration,

Structural, Machinery, electrical and cosmetic,

In that order, as the most cost effective method so as not to "rebuild" any system twice.

Remember, double the best estimate and start with structural components first, then add machinery, wire according to accepted standards and then add the frosting. ("The only way to permanently remove gelcoat crazing is to remove the gelcoat that is crazed, then start over." Hunter Scott,who has done 15 Bertram 31 restorations including my gelcoat.)You might want to check out his work, he knows what he is talking about!

Regards,

capy

Re: Where do I start?!
Russ -- 14 June 2000, at 8:08 a.m. EDT

great advice patrick, it,s been six weeks since i got mine shipped from virgina beach. first what a great boat,mine has all the bells and whistles added before i bought her. but i still spend every night after work and most weekends working on her.replacing wirers and hoses and cleaning bilges.after reading patricks advice i'll try not to do everthing the first summer,by the way how do you fix those cracks in the gelcoat. thanks russ

Re: Where do I start?!
Capt Mike Holmes -- 14 June 2000, at 5:44 a.m. EDT

Sonny, wish I'd known about the mold before I tore my 1962 31 apart! Seems like I do remeber some unusual repiratory problems, but I had a nurse I kept company with at the time helping, and she didn't figure it out either.
Spent all day yesterday in a hospital gown in a room waiting for a docotor to show up to do my hand surgery. I was there at 7:30, as ordered, finally got dressed and left at 2:30, when they admitted he might not show up until after 4 PM! I have an appointment with a different doc today, but I have to go back to work today and explain to some perfect a--holes why I should get paid for yesterday! Asking my baby brother the attorney if I can sue! On the bright side, I'll probably get to finish hooking up my water lines, fuel and return lines, and Racors this weekend!

Re: Where do I start?!
Sonny -- 14 June 2000, at 4:47 a.m. EDT

BE VERY CAUTIOUS WHEN WORKING WITH DROPPING THE PANELS AND OVERHEADS OF OLDER 31S. THER WERE BUILT TIGHT AND STRONG, GREAT CONSTRUCTION, BUT THE BUILD UP OF BLACK MOLD CAN BE LETHEAL. I SPENT A WEEK IN THE HOSPITAL THINKING I HAD PU-MUNIA, THEN FOUND OUT I HAD A MOLD INFECTION FROM THE BOAT. A FRIEND OF MINE WENT THROUGH THE SAME ORDEAL, ( HOSPITAL ETC.) AFTER HE REMOVED THE HEADLINER OF HIS 31. BE CAREFULL TAKING THE OLDER ONES APART, CAUSE THEY CAN DO A NUMBER ON YOU. MIST THE AREA WITH BLEACH AND WATER AS YOU TAKE IT DOWN, OR WORK ON IT.

Re: Where do I start?!
Vic Roy -- 14 June 2000, at 12:40 a.m. EDT


Guys - what a great advice string. Uncle Vic has nothing to add, (for sure a first) other than Amen. All ya'll's comments right to the heart of the matter, and totally correct.

Rick - you cannot get advice from a better source.

Just do not fish for cod on a 31.

From the shores of San Diego bay, your humble servant, Uncle Vic, who just got back from a day of the most incredible lawyer-dribble of all time. There must be a better way to make a humble living.

By the way, there is a real pretty original looking 31 in the marina by the SD Marriott where I stay - it had been gone for a year or so, but is back. There are so many conventioneers here that they closed off the marina, so I can't go look at her, but the yahoos are leaving tomorrow, and I may get a change to go look.

Units are piling up, but for what end? A question I know the asnwer to, but won't just do it.

Uncle Vic

Re: Where do I start?!
pmpemp@nwnexus.com -- 13 June 2000, at 9:19 p.m. EDT

Rick,
I am sure that you will enjoy your re-do. You should do as much as you can yourself --- this will teach you all of the systems. My advice is to start with the simple mechanical and electrical repairs and upgrades all used boats require. Remove all of the headliners,cushions,drawers,floorboards,refrigerator etc. This will give you access to remove all old wiring and replace as needed. You will undoubtedly have loads of abandoned wiring that you can gut. You should replace all of you bonding and ground wiring to prevent electrolisis.Pick up a copy of a 12v marine guide and read it from cover to cover. Replace all of the through hulls and hoses. This is the best insurance money that you can ever spend. A 1-1/4 inch hose failure 30 inches below the waterline will put approx 1500 gallons per hour in the bilge.Take simple green and mix a strong solution with HOT water and scrub your bilges so that you can start with a good working surface. I usually have my female companion doing all of the bright work metal while I do this. Keep us posted on your project. Aloha

Re: Where do I start?!
Mike -- 13 June 2000, at 6:27 p.m. EDT

Rick,

My father and I purchased a 71 FBC that had been sitting on barrels in a boatyard for 8 years. We bought it as "a project" and knew it would be a handfull. After a basic clean-up (cutting the vines out of her, and the trees out of the bow rail) we began. The operation has worked like this, my father is the supervisor and I am the grunt. This works well, because he either keeps me from screwing up or doesn't let me forget when I did. :) After 2 years of missed fishing seasons, we now have everything replaced from key to prop. After we satisfy our fishing withdrawel, we will begin making her nice and shiney. In short, I just wanted to tell you, the "Dawn Mistress" has been worth every minute and mile. I hope you have the same happiness I have had with mine.

Mike

Re: Where do I start?!
Rick -- 13 June 2000, at 3:04 p.m. EDT

Capt McCrary,

Thanks for the response, and also for the great advice. I figured this summer would be full of nothing but cleaning her up, fishing her and getting to know her. My greatest concern was exactly what you mentioned...don't do a new teak sole if you're planning to repower, etc., as well as, what the different options are (and clear recommendations) for all of the different "little projects" she is going to present me with--probably as many options as people to provide opinions! Thanks for the forum, and getting what seems to be a good group of folks together.

Re: Where do I start?!
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 13 June 2000, at 1:48 p.m. EDT

Rick,

Welcome Aboard!

You'll find the B31 scattered across the face of the globe, with higher concentrations in certain areas. There is a virtual fleet in Panama, owned and operated, as charter fishing boats, by Tropic Star Lodge, ( http://www.wheretofish.com/panama1.html ). They are quite popular in Puetro Rico, Hawaii, Mexico, Venezuala, and even in Jordan, (the late King Hussein reputedly owned a personal fleet of around 20 or so...).

There isn't any regular gathering of B31s, although Cappy and some others are planning an invasion of Block Island this summer. I'm sure that the existence of Bertram31.com will eventually produce more get togethers in time.

As to a good starting point...

A lot of folks, (boat owners in general), have the temptation to think first about the cosmetics of their craft. While it is nice to have a "Show Stopper" that everyone ohhhhs and ahhhhs about, the mechanical and electrical systems are the heart and soul of any boat, and should be Priorty One. I've seen a couple of real pretty boats sink at dockside just because the captain was more interested in appearance than what was happening down in the bilges...

The next priority might be just getting everything absolutely clean. From the engine spaces, bilges, and storage spaces, to the overall exterior itself, should be clean enough to eat off of. Amazing how much better a clean boat looks, even if it's in need of a new paint job...

In the process of getting to this point, you'll find a million little, (and not so little), things that need fixing. Loose tabbing, razor sharp fiberglass edges, cracks in the gelcoat, loose screws, the list is endless... Fix 'em as ya' find 'em.

Accomplishing these items will bring you close to a point that you can sit back and compile all of the thoughts that you've had about what changes, modifications, and additions you might want for the future. Make a list of what is the most important to you, what you can afford, and what order these items should be done in. Think logically about the progression of what comes when... ie: Don't paint first and then do a re-power, all that work and traffic by greasy shoed mechanics are hard on new Awlgrip job. Don't lay a new teak deck over a fuel tank that needs replacing... Add items like side inducted air at the same time as the re-power. (Lot easier to do without leaning over or crouching outboard of an engine.)

Plan on, (unless you're a member of the "Deep Pocket" minority), your "dream boat" taking several years to achieve, and as Uncle Vic would probably say, "Plan on some serious units being traded". Don't be in a rush, don't be overly ambitious, don't cut corners, have faith in yourself, listen to experience, but make your own decisions. In the end, you'll have your "Show Stopper"...

Best regards,

Patrick

Where do I start?!
Rick -- 13 June 2000, at 11:02 a.m. EDT

Boy have I got a lot to learn. Having gone cross-eyed reading almost all 1080 messages, I have come to realize I need some advice...and a bunch of it! I was lucky enough to stumble across a '76 Bahia Mar just up the canal, and the owner was reluctantly willing to sell. She was repowered in '88 with 454 Mercs, mechanically in good shape, new curtains and stuff, but I'd love to clean her up...new paint, new cockpit sole, new interior, etc. and repowering is part of the plan (probably down the road b/c she's runnin' great now) Having seen some of the pics of y'alls restorations...man o' man where do I start! Are there any Bertam shows anywhere, so I can get some ideas? (always ready for a road trip) Or do any of you guys need a hand fishing one weekend so you can show off your boat--I'll bring the beer! Looking forward to gettin' any ideas you might have--Rick

Re: First Blitz Y2K
Vic Roy -- 12 June 2000, at 11:04 p.m. EDT

Uncle Vic sittin on his butt in a hotel in San Diego on this Monday nite. Ric - show them your panel. Guys, I've been talking to Ric for a while, and he is doing a deal on his 31 that is way above what we have done.

Ric - you will get to the big show, but no one will ever match your work. Put it up here, Ric, for the guys to see.

Uncle Vic, going to bed on the left coast.

Re: First Blitz Y2K
joe amato -- 12 June 2000, at 11:20 a.m. EDT

ric

good start to the season. too bad 'old horse eye iv' is down and out for the season. got everything out and the whole hull sanded. she's nothing more than an empty hull. starting to replace the bulkheads, barrier coat the bottom and then need to do the interior. at the same time i'm putting a coat of awlgrip primer on her for protection. once i get the interior done, and windows out, i'll have her painted, do the engines and last the cockpit. hope to make the show next season. i'll crew for some friends just to take care of my bluefin jones. lets get'em done and get some 31's out there where they belong.

hope you're making progress with 'daddys dough'.
later
joe

Re: Boat's History
Capt Mike Holmes -- 11 June 2000, at 10:27 p.m. EDT

Wonder what NADA is on a sunken 1999 34 foot Luhrs? As long as we all refuse to sell our boats for such low prices, and don't need to borrow money against them, maybe we can come out better on insurance rates? Since our boats are safer and better built, it might work out OK.

Re: First Blitz Y2K
Capt Mike Holmes -- 11 June 2000, at 10:24 p.m. EDT

Vic, I meant to mention the Luhrs sinking. It was supposedly a 1999 34, A survivor said they stopped to fish, caught a big ling, and noticed there was a lot of water in the boat. Capt couldn't crank the engines, called for Mayday. Boat went down fast - had to have been taking on water all day, maybe a hose came loose. One customer drowned, they haven't found the captain the last I heard. This took place about 30 miles offshore in 2-4 ft seas. I should mention that there were conflicting news reports of what happened for several days - sounded kinda strange.

Re: First Blitz Y2K
Vic Roy -- 11 June 2000, at 8:46 p.m. EDT

Yeah, and probably has Hino's in it. I wondered what a Hino diesel was, and finally saw one at the Miami show a few years ago. That is the worst looking engine I ever saw. It looked sorta like the things they had on the SE asia coonass go-devils. Bad boats are bad boats. My son, Capt. Brent, sent me an email about a Luhrs charter boat sinking in Capt. Mike's area and killing the capt. We had a Luhrs sport boat sink off the Miss River delta a few months ago. Every time I get on my 31 - which ain't been too damn frequent this year - I marvel at how the thing is slung low, how it rides, how it looks, etc. It don't creak, it don't crack, it just goes where you point it.

Well Sonny - I'll be putting more Units in your pension plan in the morning, heading back to San Diego on Mother Delta. It is just amazing how many of the Delta whisky ladies know you.

bon soire.

Uncle vic

Re: First Blitz Y2K
Sonny -- 11 June 2000, at 5:12 p.m. EDT

UNCLE VIC- I THOUGHT IT SOUNDED FAMILIAR. BY THE WAY, I CHECKED THE NADA AS CAPT. PAT HAD MENTIONED. GET THIS, A 1985 32' BAYLINER, EQUIPPED LIKE YOUR BOAT (EXCEPT WITH 105 HP DIESELS), IS WORTH $18000 MORE THAN YOUR BOAT. I MENTIONED $S AS I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE PROPER TO ADDRESS THEM AS "UNITS" IN THIS CASE.

Re: First Blitz Y2K
Vic Roy -- 11 June 2000, at 4:53 p.m. EDT

Sonny - I think it's one of those condoms with a feather on the end you buy in France.

Uncle Vic

Re: First Blitz Y2K
Sonny -- 11 June 2000, at 4:41 p.m. EDT

UNCLE VIC- WHAT DOES CONCUPUSCENT MEAN? SONNY

First Blitz Y2K
Ric -- 11 June 2000, at 4:26 p.m. EDT

The tonnage quota in the harpoon category of the General quota for Blufin tuna here in the Northeast withstood a serious affront to its numbers last week.Just prior to a 5 day blow that saw non prudent lobsterman suffer significant losses in gear was "pinnochio" and its crew (poetic license) aided and abbetted by a "spotter" plane(current legislation banning such practice winding its way through the beaureaucratic aparatiK notwithstanding) cruisin and lookin arround the 100 fathom line north/northest of the Merrimac River Newburyport Mass when suddenly they were engulfed in an uprising so great in numbers, so long in its duration,that pinnochio and its crew only after filling its nose no less than 9 times and puportedly dazed and confused from exhaustion and adrenaline shock, only then, got on the radio and invited the other children to come and play in the frolic.Upon hearing of the game in progress and being of a concupuscent nature themselves the other children immediately steamed to the location and scored annother 6,4,3,2,1, respectively.no bert 31s present.,.,.,.,yet.,.,
kid koo reporting live from my yard captured by imagination, balanced with the reality that "Daddys Dough" will attend and be present at the show of "shows",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,out

Re: Boat's History
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 11 June 2000, at 11:33 a.m. EDT

Mike,

Great going on the history search... I'll bet that many a 31 could "tell" an interesting tale if they could talk.

Now, if all of you want a real Hoot... Go over to the NADA Blue Book for Marine, and take a look at what these yo-yos think your B31 is worth... A 1985 Flybridge is the highest "High Retail" @ $64,400 and a 1968 Bahia Mar, (book doesn't go back any earlier), has the lowest "Low Retail" price @ $14,050... Drill down through "Marine" "Older Boats" "Bertram"... http://www.nadaguides.com/

Hmmmm... Seems like NADA knows very little about the B31, other than it's a boat.

Best regards,

Patrick

bertram 31 - bertram31.com images

NADA Value Guides

Boat's History
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 11 June 2000, at 9:43 a.m. EDT

I got a letter this morning from a guy who has been following a series of articles I'm doing for a regional boating newspaper, Mariner's Log, about my boat project. It seems this man owned my boat in 1982-83. He bought it in "disrepair" for $5,000. At the time, it had 440's - one of which was in the owner's garage. The steering was a combination of bicycle chains and sprockets turning a 1960 Cadillac Saginaw steering box, which in turn operated the steering arm and rudders. He said the previous owner worked as a cathodic protection expert for Exxon, and that the boat was the world leader in ground wires (those are all still on her!). The boat was towed to Houston and tied up at the new owners's barge dock while he looked for time between rebuidling tow boats to restore it. When Hurricane Alicia hit our area in 1983, the boat washed from the Houston ship channel to a spot on Market Street, just off IH-10! The owner's business was destroyed and he had no money to even put it back in the water, so he wrote "For sale, $4,500" on the hull with a black marker. The only damage to the boat, by the way, was one bent rudder. A fellow from Galveston bought her who was buying up storm damaged boats to rebuild and resell. The next time he saw the boat was in 1988 or 89, when it was owned by an eye doctor who had installed new engines and gears, new steering, and the tower I just cut down. He said the doctor was quite a character and fished the boat hard, but had no interest in keeping up with maintenance. I bought the boat from the doctor, after he had sold it once and repoed it.

Interesting story. I had traced "Black Sheep" back to the original sales point through Bertram, and to the original owner through a boatyard mechanic who worked on it, but this fills in some of the in between. Never tried to trace any of this through Coast Guard documentation rcords, but I will finish it someday. Uncle Vic, this poor old boat's been through some Sh-t in it's time! Nothing but smooth sailing and kid glove treatment in it's future, though!

Sportfishing Calendar
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 10 June 2000, at 8:21 p.m. EDT

Guys, the June page of Sportfishing Magazine's calendar (they give me a free one cuz I write for them sometimes - maybe they feel bad about paying so little) has a beautiful picture of 3 31's heading out at sunrise from Tropic Star Lodge in Panama. They have 11 of them down there - all running 453 Detroits.

Re: RE ARRANGE
Vic Roy -- 10 June 2000, at 6:28 p.m. EDT

Sonny - ain't what she told me. Said you always bhad a light hand on the flight controls and a firm one on her ass. Or something like that.

I got back from San Diego last nite and had visions of going marlin fishing today and tomorrow before heading back out to the left coast Monday for a week. Wind blowing about 20 kts. Nah. Staying home and gonna watch the LSU's whip butt on the Texasses in the CWS in a while. I gotta be nuts for still working like this.

Good news is that the coonass with the concrete pump says the sinking houseboat is gonna be a piece of cake. Pump it in, put the fiber in it, and forfet it he says. Waiting for the price. Might wait till after hurricane season. No sense in paying the insurance and for the concrete at the same time.

Hey Capy - I get National Fisherman magizene - the commercial fishing deal. Had a big article on catching cod on rod and reel commercial. Direct quote from Capt. Rick Tavano, a cod jigger from Harwich, MA: "Codfish are very stupid" Tavano says, "I mean, we catch them with a hook and piece of rubber tubing. It's not rocket science". NF, June, 2000, p. 29.

Case closed, Your Honor.

Uncle Vic

Re: RE ARRANGE
Sonny -- 10 June 2000, at 2:19 p.m. EDT

UNCLE VIC- FORGOT TO MENTION, THAT FLIGHT LIEUTENANT WHO SAYS I STILL OWE HER $20, WAS PROBABLY ONE OF MY EX-WIVES. SHE HAD A GOOD LAWYER, AND THAT WAS MY LAST $20!

Re: RE ARRANGE
Sonny -- 10 June 2000, at 2:01 p.m. EDT

UNCLE VIC- WE USED TO SAY THE ONLY TIME YOU CAN HAVE TOO MUCH FUEL WAS WHEN YOU WERE ON FIRE AND THE TRUCKS WEREN'T THERE YET!

Re: RE ARRANGE
Vic Roy -- 9 June 2000, at 9:27 p.m. EDT

Sonny - when I used to fly left seat, anytime they only need a fire truck and not a EMS, I called it a great landing. By the way, the whisky lady says you still owe her $20. I promised her I would remind you about it. She wold not give me the dtails, but I told her I was your lawyer. She spilled the beans. You can buy the negatives, and I won't take my usual cut since you are a friend of mine. Nice pix, Sonny.

Uncle Vic

Re: RE ARRANGE
Sonny -- 9 June 2000, at 9:14 p.m. EDT

UNCLE VIC- IT DEPENDS ON HOW LONG THE TAXI WAY IS! I LANDED ONCE WITH MY GEAR UP. AT THE HEARING THE FAA WANTED TO KNOW WHEN I FINALLY REALIZED IT. TOLD THEM CAUSE IT WAS TAKING FULL POWER TO GET TO THE GATE!

Trimming the Message Board...
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 9 June 2000, at 6:48 p.m. EDT

For those of you who would like to trim the post display, click over to http://usamarine.net/cgi-bin/general/bbs.cgi?reconfigure

Now in order for this reconfiguration to work, you **must** have your browser set to accept "cookies". That's how the board remembers who your are, what you've read, and how you want the posts to be displayed the next time you come onboard...

Time span:

This can be set for as little as 12 hours, and will only show messages that have been posted within that period, or as long as "several eons", which in reality will only show posts which have not been achieved, which is currently over 1,300 messages. I find the 2 day setting to my liking, but 1 week is a good setting if you aren't onboard daily. If you visit only occasionally, maybe 1 month would be better.

Grouping of messages:

A reversed-thread will place the most recent topic post at the top of the board, descending to the oldest topic post, (within your selected time period), at the bottom. replies to a topic remain under the associated topic as threads and sub-threads.

6 other styles of grouping are available and are explained on the "Preferences" page. Try 'em all and pick the way and time span you like best. You can always change to other settings at any time. What ever setting you have set when you leave the board will be the setting that will be there when you return.

Again, for it to work, you must have your browser set to accept cookies. They are totally harmless and take up very little room on your hard disk. The only thing that the cookie keeps track of is what information you give, (name, email address, preference setting), and when you last came onboard... If you are remembered by name already when you come aboard, your browser is already set to accept cookies. If you have to re-enter your name and email address each time you post, then your browser is set to ignore or reject cookies.

The cookie setting feature of your browser will be found under your browser preferences. In IE, that's under "Tools" - "Internet Options". In Netscape, it under "Edit" - "Preferences"

Have fun!!

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: RE ARRANGE
Vic Roy -- 9 June 2000, at 6:16 p.m. EDT

Sonny - just got back from the trip from hell with your former employer. Hope your pension check is late. Now, what's this about grouping, last 12 hours, etc. How you do that. I'm like Sonny, stupid, and proud of it.

You mean you don't have to scroll down to find the new's? Hot doggyity. I want to learn how to do that. Hey Sonny - I mentioned your name to the Delta whisky lady while we were waiting on the DFW tarmac for 2, count 'em 2 - hours in the thunderstorm this afternoon, and she said she had flown with you, and you would have taken off on the taxiway. Any truth to that story?

Uncle Vic

Re: RE ARRANGE
Sonny -- 9 June 2000, at 5:54 p.m. EDT

THANKS FOR THE HELP CAPT. PAT. YOU WOULD THINK AFTER A YEAR I WOULD HAVE FIGURED IT OUT. MAYBE THATS WHY MY FRIEND WENT TO MIT, AND I DIDN'T. BEST REGARDS, SONNY

Re: RE ARRANGE
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 9 June 2000, at 7:12 a.m. EDT

Sonny,

You can setup the way the board is displayed in several ways, and trimed to various time intervals. Click on the the link that says "Set Preferences"

You have the option of seven different styles of how the messages are presented, and can trim messages that have been posted from 12 hours to near the beginning.

I personally have it set for reverse threads and two days. This also makes for faster downloads. You can re-set your preferences once or as often as you like, provided that your browser is set to accept "cookies".

Best regards,

Patrick

RE ARRANGE
Sonny -- 9 June 2000, at 4:26 a.m. EDT

CAPT.PAT, WHILE HELPING A YOUNG FRIEND WITH HIS DOCTORATE DISSERATION IN AERONAUTICS AT MIT, WE VIEWED YOUR WEBSITE. THE QUESTION CAME UP, WHY WHEN THERE ARE NUMEROUS MESSAGES, DO WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE LIST TO READ ALL OF THEM. HIS RESPONCE WAS TO GROUP ALL NEW MESSAGES TOGETHER,UNDER HEADING, AND ADD A CHECK OR ARROW TO TO THE NEW MESSAGE ON THE LONG LIST. THEREFORE, IF THERE ARE SIX MESSAGES I CAN SCROLL DOWN TO READ THE NEW MESSAGES IN A GROUP, AND READ THE REST ON THE SCROOL UNDER THE PROPER HEADING.

Re: My Start
Carl -- 8 June 2000, at 10:07 p.m. EDT

Yes, I know its a Bertram, drink more Kool Aid and withdraw more units from the bank to go play. The Season Has Begun! Carl

TEST ONLY.... Patrick
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 8 June 2000, at 8:20 p.m. EDT

System test

Re: Deadrise
springloaded -- 8 June 2000, at 3:31 p.m. EDT

TOM
I ONLY TOLD YOU THIS BECAUSE I THOUGHT OUR SHAFT RPMS WILL BE REAL CLOSE.APPROX. 1900 @WOT.CHUICK

Re: Deadrise
springloaded -- 8 June 2000, at 2:01 p.m. EDT

I HAVE 300HP CUMMINS.1.5 TO 1 TWIN DISC. 20 X 22.5 4BLADES W/MED CUP.IM HAVING A FULL CUP PUT IN THEM TO TRY AND GET RPMS DOWN.I NEED A LARGER DIA BUT DONT HAVE HULL CLEARANCE.HAD 22" DIA, HULL SHUTTER WAS UNBELEIVABLE.HAD 20 X 24 4BLADES W/MED CUP,RPM @WOT WAS PERFECT(FULLY LOADED)BUT FELT LIKE I WAS TOO SLUGGISH AT LOW RPM.
IM UNDER THE IMPRESSION THE BOATS ARE 23DEG AT TRANSUM.

Re: Deadrise
Richard A. Miller -- 8 June 2000, at 10:38 a.m. EDT

The transom deadrise was advertized as 24 degrees. I have a 1977 FBC with 300 hp Yanmars and 1.5825 Velvet Drives. The ideal prop for my boat seems to be 19 x 21 with a cup of .060. My boat has no tower or generator and is relatively light - 11,000 pounds dry. Your boat would be a little heavier because the earlier boats had a heavier lay-up, and you may have added more stuff. But your prop shop should be able to take this data and adjust for your conditions.

Re: Deadrise
Jeff -- 8 June 2000, at 8:43 a.m. EDT

Tom, one of the Soundings articles said the boat had a 23 degree deadrise at the transom. Not sure if that is accurate, but that wouldn't be far off just looking at it from the back.

Re: Getting there!
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 8 June 2000, at 6:17 a.m. EDT

A doctor friend of mine with an immaculate - an fast - 46 Bertram released 4 blues Saturday morning. Three were small, one about 400. This was probably at the Cerveza Rig off Freeport.

Re: Getting there!
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 8 June 2000, at 6:15 a.m. EDT

Good looking set up. Thanks.

Re: My Start
Vic Roy -- 7 June 2000, at 11:27 p.m. EDT

Yep, sort of like beer cans and flies, they be everywhere, and are of little use.

Vic

Re: Getting there!
Vic Roy -- 7 June 2000, at 11:24 p.m. EDT

Patrick - I thougt I had some fine ss elbows, but those in the photo are - what can I say, - worthy of the 31. I hate typing on this gd laptop.

Mike - keep thinkin'. It works.

Just got back from the shushi place, gonna watch the ball game and hit thesack. Lawyer dribble today helping Uncle Vic to his well deserved retirement. Talked to sonCapt Brent this morning, and he shot a tv show on a friend's boat yesterday and tagged 2 blues, one 225 and the other 450. And I;m in San Diego sittin on my butt. As us coonasses say when we be frustriated: AAAAAAIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEE! get outta the way. Uncle Vic gettingtired of this crap.

Re: Getting there!
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 7 June 2000, at 10:17 p.m. EDT

Mike,

Thought you'd like to see the installation of the 300TBA in "Fortuna"... That's the RACOR in the outboard fwd corner, mounted on the bulkhead. The fill in the combing corner is fresh water...

Best regards,

Patrick

bertram 31 - bertram31.com images

Deadrise
Tom -- 7 June 2000, at 9:57 p.m. EDT

I have a 1963 31 hull# 304 that I have repowered with 300hp Yanmar diesels and Hurth 630A 2:1 gears. The prop shop is asking a question even the Bertram Factory cannot answer. What is the deadrise at the transom??? Can any body help here? I'll let you know what props we end up with. Thanks in advance.

Re: My Start
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 7 June 2000, at 8:09 p.m. EDT

Vic, the cops probably MADE them do it! They could have been arrested for littering or creating a public eyesore. On second thought, Bayliner owners do that every day, don't they?

Re: Getting there!
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 7 June 2000, at 8:07 p.m. EDT

Ptrick, our great minds think alike! On my way home today I decided to move the boxes back and build in the front against the bulkhead. I figure I'll make it a hatch, with possibly hinged doors on the sides to allow access to the strainers I think I'll put about there. May put the Racors in front of the engines, mounted on the cabin bulkhead also. I covered the bulkhead and side "wings" outboard of the engine boxes with mahogany paneling 2 years ago, so i'll extend this to cover the new addition and blend in. Trying to locate the new engine vents as a driving and thinking project next.
Vic, thanks for the tach tip.

Re: Getting there!
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 7 June 2000, at 8:01 p.m. EDT

My 6BT's are about 12 inches away from the cabin bulkhead - the 454's almost touched. Basically, we seem to have moved the engines astern a bit. Remember that the express engine compartments are a bit different from the other models.

Re: Windows
Dug -- 7 June 2000, at 10:21 a.m. EDT

Awesome. I thought that I would be able to remove them from the outside. I was just sitting at my desk thinking that I had not seen a way to do that when I quickly looked from the inside. Thanks for the info! I will call if I get my fingers completely stuck with the tape...

Dug

Re: Getting there!
springloaded -- 7 June 2000, at 10:20 a.m. EDT

MIKE
WHY DO YOU NEED 15".I REPLACED 454S WITH 6BTS AND I HAVE MORE ROOM EVERY IN ENGINE COMPARTMENT.JUST COURIOUS WHATS IN THE WAY.CHUCK

Re: Windows
Peter Fallon -- 7 June 2000, at 12:55 a.m. EDT

DUG,
THE GLASS IS REMOVED FROM THE OUTSIDE,CUT OUT THE OLD RUBBER SEAL WITH A RAZOR KNIFE,ALL THE WAY TO THE METAL FRAME. CLEAN IT OUT GOOD AND LIFT OUT THE OLD GLASS,BRING IT TO THE GLASS COMPANY FOR A TEMPLATE. CLEAN THE FRAME DOWN TO BARE METAL,ASK THEM FOR 1/4" DOUBLE SIDED BLACK SEALING TAPE,TWICE AS MUCH AS THINK YOU NEED IT'S A BEAR TO WORK WITH IF IT'S HOT. RUN THE TAPE AROUND THE FRAME AND RESET THE GLASS,THEN SEAL IT WITH THE BLACK OR CLEAR AUTO GLASS SEALANT THEY WILL SELL YOU.MAKE SURE TO USE THE TAPE BETWEEN THE FRAME AND THE GLASS (PILLOW BLOCK EFFECT)IF YOU DON'T IT WILL BREAK ON THE FIRST WAVE YOU HIT. CLEAN UP WITH MINERAL SPIRITS. WHEN YOU USE THE SEALANT MASK OFF THE SURROUNDING FRAME AND GLASS,MAKES THE CLEAN-UP EASIER. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS CALL ME AT 561-963-9831 HOME OR 561-546-4448 OFFICE.

Re: My Start
Vic Roy -- 6 June 2000, at 11:16 p.m. EDT

Hey Carl - ain't so bad. I just walked back from the shushi place around the downtown marina here in San Diego, and saw a big Bayliner on the rocks with two divers and a giant pump spewing water about 100 feet out of it, plus a gaggle of cops and INS-looking folks millig around. Now just think about it - if you owned a bayliner, would you have gone to that much trouble?

Uncle Vic - replenishing units on the left coast.

Re: Getting there!
Vic Roy -- 6 June 2000, at 11:08 p.m. EDT

Mike - sounds good. Go with the VDO magnetic tachs. I'm in San Diego, just got back from eating cut bait. It's 72 and clear here. These people out here are so nutty 'cause they don't know the meaning of suffering. Don't get a chance to build any character.

Vic

Re: Getting there!
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 6 June 2000, at 10:24 p.m. EDT

Cap'n Mike,

I know you must be having withdrawal symptoms by now... Re-powering from gas to diesel can seem like a never ending nightmare at times, but the end result is more than worth the aggravation.

I presume that you have the stock engine boxes. The easiest solution would probably be to move them aft and build in the resulting gap at the forward end, providing that doesn't shroud too much of the fwd end of the engines...

Good luck on your adventure!

Best regards,

Patrick

Getting there!
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 6 June 2000, at 10:10 p.m. EDT

Vic, Sonny, and the gang! Got the engines bolted down and roughly aligned. running new water lines to the strainers and engine next. Ordered 500 series Racors this morning - they should be in early next week. Plan to open the fuel tank this week end to see how much gas I need to pump out, then run new fuel and return lines. Shopping for batteries, new gauges and tachs. Control cables need replacing, and my machine shop buddy is building a new steering arm out of one of my old 1 1/4 " shafts. Will need to surface sand the teak deck pieces before going back in with them, get the chair re-mounted. My engines boxes need to be moved back or extended about 15 inches.

Nothing to this repowering stuff, huh?

My Start
Carl -- 6 June 2000, at 9:41 p.m. EDT

Talk about a bad start. With the new kid, I started really late this year. I got the boat in just last week, about two months behind. In such a rush I never thought of checking the port shaft after my encounter with a chunk of wood on my last trip from the previous year. I knew the starbourd shaft needed work and just dealt with that. So as I took "The Boat" for this years maiden trip she shook like hell. Insted of yanking her out of the water, I decided to do a quick trip, just outside the harbor for some local Striped Bass action, instead was suckered into playing Tow-Boat US and retrieved a boat off a sand bar, and in the process whacked my wheel. So for my secound week with the boat in the water I played Jacques Cousteau and changed the wheel and shaft dockside. Now she runs like a charm and the weathers changed from 85-90 to 50degrees and raining, the Bass have skattered and the season has begun. It should only get better I keep telling myself. carl Theboat.

Re: Windows
Dug -- 6 June 2000, at 3:26 p.m. EDT

Pete,

I took a look at my cracked front window this weekend, and noticed that the metal frame surrounding the window is a welded square frame (at least from the inside!) How do I replace the glass if the frame cannot be dis-assembled? Or is there a trick I don't know at this point?

Thanks!

Dug

Re: FINALLY!
Sonny -- 6 June 2000, at 1:58 a.m. EDT

JEFF, VIC, CARLOS- GETTING INTO THE MOODTO PLAY WITH THE BIG BOY'S AGAIN. BEEN SO LONG THAT MY 50S AND 80S NEED NEW LINE AND DRAGS. VIC AND JEFF, LET'S GO DOWN AND CHARTER CARLOS FOR TWO DAYS. I THINK JULY IS PRIME DOWN THERE, ARE YOU GUYS UP TOIT? CARLOS COULD YOU HANDLE THIS CREW? ( WE'RE PROBABLY WORSE THAN WE SOUND! BUT THAT BIG 60 WITH OUR GIRL IS LIKLEY ON THE BANK AND I KNOW FISHING IS GOOD. REALLY I'M SERIOUS, CONTACT ME AT THE YE-MAIL ADDRESS. SONNY

Re: memorial day weekend
Carlos Sucre -- 6 June 2000, at 12:04 a.m. EDT

Typical Venezuelan boat crew
Top rod handling technique. Im sure she ll do well handling a fly.
Ill keep my eyes wide open for this Bertram 60 for more marlin fishing tips.
Carlos

Re: FINALLY!
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 5 June 2000, at 11:09 p.m. EDT

Jeff,

Great going on your first blue! The first one always the hardest, and like Uncle Vic seys', ya' gota' be where they live, and feed em' what they're lookin' for...

Also keep your eye on the NOHA infared satellite maps. The edge of the hot water, (red), is a good place to start hunting. http://www.rsmas.miami.edu/environment/imagery/imagery.pl?eastcoast&0

Best regards,

Patrick

Rosenstiel School Satellite Imagery

Re: Custom Package
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 5 June 2000, at 10:05 p.m. EDT

Chuck,

Give me call 561.848.3366...

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Custom Package
chuck k -- 5 June 2000, at 6:59 p.m. EDT

PATRICK
HOW MANY GALS IS THE LIVEWELL & HOW WIDE IS IT FOWARD TO AFT.I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT KIND SCHEDULE YOU WERE PLANNING ON INSTALLATION OF THE PACKAGE.MAYBE WE COULD WORK SOMTHING OUT.LIKE DO THE LIVEWELL,THEN THE AIR BOX, THEN THE CONSOLE.CHUCK.

Re: FINALLY!
Vic Roy -- 5 June 2000, at 5:09 p.m. EDT

Jeff - congrats!!!! I fished marlin for 5 years before I caught the first one. Remember what you did, but breaking the ice is the big part. Yep, you can do it. Yep, the 31 will call them up. But - remember the most important thing: You gotta fish where they live, and you must be present to win!

Yo' the big time now!

Uncle Vic

FINALLY!
Jeff -- 5 June 2000, at 9:38 a.m. EDT

After years of fishing the stream s/e of Savannah, we finally own a boat that will call em'
up. Fun fishing yesterday(Sunday), after last weeks marlin tournament and before the next marlin tournament which begins Thursday, the Cold Duck released (and tagged) a blue which I estimated at 185 lbs(hooked him in 475 feet of water). This is the first blue we've gotten to the boat. Almost spooled a 30 twice, and put on a pretty good arial show to boot! Sure would have liked to have had him last week! Sonny, that picture is what inspired us to go catch em. Caught him on the standard outer banks fare, a blue and pink ilander and ballyhoo combo, (rigged with 132 lb wire leader for wahoo). They tore the big dolphin us Fri and Sat, so I came up with two guys late Sat nite, and headed out at 2AM. Naturally, the dolphin had their stomachs bloated, so they weren't eating. Caught 2 dolphin and one wahoo besides the blue. Puttin' so many hours on the big blocks, it's keeping me busy changing the oil between tournaments. You gotta love it!!! Anybody in the market for an autopilot should give the Simard AP 11 a look, it's worth it's weight in gold when interfaced to the gps.

Re: Mike Holmes
Capt Mike Holmes -- 5 June 2000, at 5:41 a.m. EDT

Sonny, actually I received my G.F.O. degree from the School of Hard Knocks, but I've been writing for various publications since 1979. Can't make a living at it, but it does bring in a few "units" to help with my boating addiction. I'm doing a series on my Bertram for a local magazine - Mariner's Log out of Clear Lake - that could easily turn into a book length manuscript! Got the engines pretty much bolted down this weekend, and a little more progress.

Mike Holmes
Sonny -- 5 June 2000, at 3:03 a.m. EDT

HAS ANYONE READ THE JUNE ISSUE OF "SPORT FISHING"? OUR FRIEND, MIKE HOLMES HAS WRITTEN AN EXCELLENT ARTICLE ON THE TEXAS FISHING SCENE. I DIDN'T KNOW MIKE MAJORED IN ENGLISH. GREAT JOB MIKE! SONNY

Re: Penske board
Vic Roy -- 4 June 2000, at 8:30 p.m. EDT

The Baldwins have them on both sides.

Vic

Re: Penske board
Will#2 -- 4 June 2000, at 8:10 p.m. EDT

I have used other filters because theye are cheaper but i was told by a friend ( and very good cummings mechanic) that if the filters don't have the metal screen on the inside and out the turbos could suck the paper filter right in to the motor, some serious unit I say. The cummings filter have them many don't

Re: Windows
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 4 June 2000, at 12:50 p.m. EDT

Fred,

Good idea about those two pint sized lockers... They are just about meaningless.

24" deep lockers, extending down about 2/3 the way from the overhead would be much more practical.

A note on filming the inside if safety glass...

The film and the middle layer of plastic effectively trap heat and create an imbalance in the expansion and contraction rate of the inside layer of glass and the outside. Sooner or later it will cause the outside layer to crack... An alternative, albeit somewhat more expensive in the beginning, is to have the glass company laminate two plates of SG-14 into safety plate. The SG-14 is very dark smoked to begin with and will negate the need to use film on the inside.

In the long run this will prove to be less expensive than having to replace cracked panes...

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Windows
Fred -- 4 June 2000, at 11:28 a.m. EDT

Dug. The side windows are 1/4" laminated safety glass available from most any glass shop. It is made from two pieces of glass between which is a layer of plastic. Make sure they bevel the edges before you have them smoked if you like. And of course, make sure that they know which is the inside of the piece so they apply the smoke tint correctly. The glass on the rear bulkhead behind the dinette and in the head, is made from a thinner piece of glass. Not sure what size so check it with a vernier and make sure they have it before you remove the old piece. If I get a chance, I'll check it today and let you know. Like Pete, I also use the liquid gold on the inside (brown formica) but I bleach the out side (white formica) and wax it. It had new snap on screens made for the rear windows (like the originals). They let in a ton of fresh air as I've completly sealed the forward windows. By the way, If you decide to seal them permanently, and kill any leaks, go to an auto glass shop or parts store and by a tube of black urethane "U-418 Quick Cure" made by Dow Essex. It's much better than silcon which peals off in time. While your at it, pull down the head liners in the v-berth and seal the bolts which hold the window frame in place as they will also leak. Then bleach the mildew before you put the liners back in. Some time between now and eternity, I'm going to re-skin the interior formica in white, posibly rip out that stupid hanging locker, and it's opposite counterpart, extend the cussions, and build two deep cabinets which will hang from above. Sounds like fun, no? -out-

Re: Bertram31 Block Island Cruise 2000
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 3 June 2000, at 8:07 p.m. EDT

Chuck,

Thanks! Welcome Aboard & Srpead the Word about the site...

Best regards,

Patrick

NO MORE WHINE
chuck k -- 3 June 2000, at 7:43 p.m. EDT

JUST GOT BACK FROM BOAT RIDE.I PUT ON A SET OF AIR SILENCERS I GOT FROM A DETROIT MECHANIC.THEY FIT PERFECT AND THERE IS NO TURBO WHINE AT ALL.I LIFTED THE MOTOR BOX @ 2400 AND STILL COULDNT HERE THE TURBOS.REDUCED NOISE IN COCKPIT BY AT LEAST 50%.CHUCK

Re: Penske board
Vic Roy -- 3 June 2000, at 6:56 p.m. EDT

Will - I thought I had responded to yours about the Baldwins, but don't see it. too many clear drinks last nite as I was watching my LSU Tigers kick butt on UCLA in the NCAA baseball super regional; right now, in game 2, LSU is ahead 11 to 5 in the 7th, and about to score more.

I get the Baldwins from an oil jobber. Remind me Monday and I have the part number on my computer at the office, and I'll post them. At 2400 rpm I can just barely hear the whine from the flybridge, and sitting on the motor boxes it is not bad at all, since it's such a high pitch. Especially for us old farts that have lost most of our high freq. hearing from being in diesel boats for 40 years. My old 25 Bert with the little volvo diesels had a rattle and turbo whine you would not believe.

I change the Baldwins once a year just because they look like crap after a year. Baldwin also makes a nice Racor 500 cartridge that comes in a box with all the o-rings, etc for a lot less than the Racor part, plus it has a metal wire bail on top rather than the Racor rubber deal that breaks all the time. I'll post the part number for the filter too.

Vic

Re: Bertram31 Block Island Cruise 2000
chuck & stephanie "AQUAHOG" -- 3 June 2000, at 2:41 p.m. EDT

We own a '79 31 bertram (which I recently completed a blister repair job on that took more than a year of weekends to finish, any questions or comments let's hear'em) we keep our 31 in montauk and would be very interested in the cruise to block. If anyone would like to join us ,drop a line. We also dock next to a couple of other 31's at uihlein's marina, whose owners I will talk to about the cruise. p.s. this site is awesome!

Re: Custom Package
ken -- 2 June 2000, at 11:15 p.m. EDT

PATRICK, GIVE YOU GUYS SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT FOR LIVE BAIT WELLS. IVE SEEN A COUPLE OF PEOPLE I KNOW WITH 31'S THAT MADE A BAIT WELL WHERE THE STEP IS TO STEP DOWN BETWEEN THE TWO ENGINES. ON MY BOAT THE WATER PICK UPS FOR THE ENGINES ARE RIGHT THERE SO YOU USE THOSE TWO THU HULLS, JUST TURN ONE OF THE STRAINERS FACING THE TRANSOM. SO WHEN YOU ARE ON THE WAY ONE WILL SCOOP WATER WHILE THE OTHER SUCKS WATER OUT. NO NEED FOR ANY KIND OF PUMP AND TOTALLY OUT OF THE WAY. JUST NEED TO INSTALL TWO OTHER THRU HULLS FOR ENGINE WATER. IT WILL KEEP QUIT A FEW BAITS ALIVE.

Re: memorial day weekend
Sonny -- 2 June 2000, at 10:48 p.m. EDT

UNCLE VIC AND CARLOS- I'M SORRY IF I COME ACROSS AS NOT IN TUNE WITH WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING. MY ATTORNEY JUST FIRED HIMSELF. HE SAID HE NEVER REPRESENTED SOMEONE FOR DIVORCE, ALIMONY, POLIGAMY, PALIMONY AND BIGAMY. HE SAID IT WAS THE LAST STRAW WHEN HE FOUND OUT I WAS CO-DEPENDENT WITH MY BERTRAM. IT'S A "RED A__" WORLD SOMETIMES, BUT IF WE PLAY IT RIGHT WE WILL JUST BOAT THAT MARLIN OF A LIFETIME, RUN OUT OF FUEL, BAIT AND BEER, TAKING THAT LAST PUFF OFF A MONTECRISTO, THE GAL UP IN THE V-BIRTH WORN OUT, AND CROAKING IN THE FIGHTING CHAIR. "ALL AT THE SAME TIME"! IN VIC'S CASE ,HE WILL NEED A TOW BACK UP THE RIVER BY BOAT US (UGH), WHAT A WAY TO SPOIL A PERFECT PASSING. YOU GUYS WILL GET AN E-MAIL OF MY GIRLFRIEND. CARLOS SHOULD KNOW HER, IT WAS TAKEN OFF THE BANK IN A 60 BERT. SONNY

Re: Custom Package
Sonny -- 2 June 2000, at 10:12 p.m. EDT

Chuck- Please think about putting the bait well off the stern. Although not Bertrams, I have seen a few boats with large batewells hanging off the stern and they look like 46 Ford rumble seats. Not only would they get in the way with a large fish on, they may act as a splash generator in rough seas and backing down. Just my opinion. Sonny

Re: Penske board
Sonny -- 2 June 2000, at 9:56 p.m. EDT

I use K@Ns, they are a lot cheaper than Cummins paper filters. I don't hear turbo wine, but that may be cause my gen-set makes too much noise. Sonny

Re: Penske board
Will#2 -- 2 June 2000, at 9:32 p.m. EDT

Where do u get these Baldwin air filters

Re: memorial day weekend
Vic Roy -- 2 June 2000, at 8:26 p.m. EDT

I declare myself Carlos' agent to see the pix, Sonny. Send it to me first, and I'll make sure Carlos gets it. Sonny, what the crap you doing to your poor 31? A paint job don't take this long. The little gal at the bikini bar across the street got you in a bind? or is it just my imagination.

Uncle Vic

Re: Custom Package
Vic Roy -- 2 June 2000, at 8:17 p.m. EDT

I live about 100 yards from I-10, and maybe a mile from the exit. Love to have you, and any hanger-ons you have with you. Call me at the office 800 260 9908, or at home 225 927 6258, and give me a half hour's notice, and I'll show you a time.

Vic

Re: Penske board
Vic Roy -- 2 June 2000, at 8:11 p.m. EDT

Turbo whine is good. 31 Bertrams with turbo whine pass other boats. On the other hand, with the 6bta's, the Baldwin air filters cut it down a lot, and they can be bought cheaper than the Cummins.

Vic

Re: Cummins modifications
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 2 June 2000, at 7:15 p.m. EDT

Dug,

Hone up your carpentry and fiberglass skills... You could do a pretty fair job of the side vents and dorade box as a one off yourself... Something to keep you on the boat during those winter months up there in "Yankee Land"!

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Custom Package
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 2 June 2000, at 7:10 p.m. EDT

Dug,

Thanks for the kind words!

You ought'a think about keeping your boat down here in the winter... We're still running around in shorts in January and the sails are snapping.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Custom Package
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 2 June 2000, at 7:07 p.m. EDT

Uncle Vic,

You must not be a fan of Col. Sanders either! I only eat yard bird a couple of time a year, just to remind myself that there's better table fair...

There might be a need for me to visit Houston within the next 6-9 months. If I drive over, I'll stop your way and treat to a cool aide!

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Custom Package
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 2 June 2000, at 7:01 p.m. EDT

Jeff,

Thanks! If you are ever down this way, don't hesitate to drop by... No need to buy something!

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Custom Package
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 2 June 2000, at 6:57 p.m. EDT

Chuck,

I'm right here in the Palm Beach Gardens/Riviera Beach area... Drop by sometime - 848.3366

Hope to find a taker prior to September, but then nobody want their boat being worked on when the weather is nice... I'll put you on the list.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Penske board
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 2 June 2000, at 6:46 p.m. EDT

Sonny,

Have only heard of it... Not sure if I've seen it, could be and just didn't know it, or know it by another name.

If you're talking about a medium density fiberglass reinforced PVC rigid foam,
that would definantly be a far better core material than plywood. Take a look at http://spaceagesynthetics.com/ and their product called Thermo-Lite Board. If this is similar to Penske Board, they have a supplier in Tampa that sells a 4x8 sheet of 3/8" for around $120.00.

I've got some on hand and have done some experimenting with, and use it for the bonding perimeter on the Air Boxes. It's pretty good stuff and beats the sox off of Divinycell.

Best regards,

Patrick

bertram 31 - bertram31.com images

SpaceAge Synthetics, Inc.

Re: Penske board
chuck k -- 2 June 2000, at 6:43 p.m. EDT

I FORGOT TO TELL YOU.I USED F.R.P. BOARD ON CABIN FLOOR & COCKPIT SEEMS TO BE A NICE PRODUCT.EASY TO WORK WITH & WONT ROT.

Re: Penske board
chuck k -- 2 June 2000, at 6:38 p.m. EDT

HEY SONNY
JUST GOT BACK FROM ISLANDS BOAT RUNS GREAT WHAT A DIFFERENCE FROM THEM BIG BLOCKS.GOT BETTER THAN 2MPG.DIDNT THINK THAT WAS POSSIBLE.I ONLY HAVE ONE COMPLAINT (TURBO WINE ON PORT ENGINE)WHAT ARE YOU USING FOR AIR FILTERS.I PUT K&N ON MY BOAT.I WAS TOLD THERE IS A FILTER MADE WITH BUILT IN SILENCER.BUT DIDNT KNOW WHERE TO GET THEM.CHUCK

Re: memorial day weekend
Carlos Sucre -- 2 June 2000, at 6:35 p.m. EDT

Sonny
love to see that SAmerica marlin fishing pic.
Waiting for your report with the new rudders
regards
Carlos

Re: Bertram mystique continues
Carlos Sucre -- 2 June 2000, at 6:24 p.m. EDT

Things very slowly coming back in La Guaira area.
Fishing terrific but few sportfishing boats out.
I am rebuilding one of my 4.53 detroits so no fishing for a while also.
Hope when la Guaira (and the new crazy goverment) get better to be able to invite You guys for a few days fishing LG Banks. My 31 is berth 10 nm south of them.
Very nice those wahoo win.
Carlos

Re: Custom Package
chuck k -- 2 June 2000, at 5:54 p.m. EDT

PATRCK

I WOULD BE INTRESTED IN THIS PACKAGE.BUT I WOULDNT WANT IT INSTALLED UNTIL SEPT FIRST.AS I DON'T USE THE BOAT FROM SEPT-JAN.I HAVE A TRAILER SO I COULD BRING BOAT WHERE EVER YOU WANT IT.I LIVE IN JUPITER.I WOULD WANT THE LIVE WELL MOUNTED OFF THE BACK INSTEAD OF IN THE COCKPIT.LET ME KNOW.CHUCK

Penske board
Sonny -- 2 June 2000, at 5:08 p.m. EDT

Capt. Pat- Have you ever used Penske board? I want to do my cabin floors and hatches with it. Seems like it would be much better than plywood. Sonny

Re: memorial day weekend
Sonny -- 2 June 2000, at 5:02 p.m. EDT

Jeff- It's going slow, but being done right. Made several modifications (time and units). Hope to have it done in three weeks. Re-chromed all fittings, outriggers, and have the new rudders. I think I made a note about the rudders, they are about six and a half small units and genneral prop in Bradenton kept the template. It's a long ride home going in circles. Did you get my e-mail showing that girl marlin fishing in South America? When I grow up I want to be just like Carlos. Still got the shafts. Sonny

Re: memorial day weekend
Jeff -- 2 June 2000, at 3:43 p.m. EDT

Hey Sonny, how's your boat coming? Have you ever got it painted? Did you get your electical problems fixed?

Re: Cummins modifications
Dug -- 2 June 2000, at 9:14 a.m. EDT

Patrick,

I like the side vents and the live well. Someday I would like to add toys like that, but for now...I will be content to sell a couple of steering wheels!

Re: Custom Package
Jeff -- 2 June 2000, at 8:51 a.m. EDT

Captain Patrick, that stuff looks great, especially the pod style helm. Like Dug, glad we're not down in the Palm Beach area.

Re: Bertram mystique continues
Jeff -- 2 June 2000, at 8:44 a.m. EDT

Carlos, sorry, I screwed up in my geography. I was wondering how long it would take somebody to catch me! I was not over my back to back (Fri and Sat) trips to the stream. Went to bed at 12:15 am Fri nite, only to get up at 1:30 am, a whole 1 hour and 15 minutes worth of sleep. By the way, hows the fishing on the bank? I think the current issue of Marlin has an article on the area after the slides, but haven't had a chance to read it yet. Hope things are starting to normalize slightly!

Re: Cummins modifications
springloaded -- 2 June 2000, at 8:30 a.m. EDT

MIKE
20KTS IS A PEICE OF CAKE.LOADED TO THE GILLS I MAKE 20KTS @1900.
PATRICK I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A PICTURE OF YOUR LIVE WELL.I PLAN ON PUTTING A LIVE WELL OFF THE BACK OF MY BOAT.

CHUCK K.

Marlin Magazine
Capt Mike Holmes -- 2 June 2000, at 5:50 a.m. EDT

Guys, check out the new issue of MARLIN. There's an article about catching big marlin from small boats, bascially an ad for Cabo and a few others, - but the 2 page opening picture is of a gorgeous 31 Bertram from Puerto Rica fighting a big blue! They also mention 31's in several places in the magazine - whevever serious fishing gets done!

Re: Cummins modifications
Capt Mike Holmes -- 2 June 2000, at 5:45 a.m. EDT

Chuck - thanks for the input. I think you are right - and of course Vic is always right! My goal is to get a 20 knot cruise , loaded, - that's all I need for what I want to do.

Re: Cummins modifications
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 2 June 2000, at 5:44 a.m. EDT

Chuck,

Only me at this moment... I designed it for the B31, but have modified and installed two others in boats other than the Bertram. I'm working on the tooling that will bring the livewell up to "kit" specs. Once finished, it should be a pretty simple installation.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Bertram mystique continues
Carlos Sucre -- 2 June 2000, at 2:34 a.m. EDT

Jeff
Any relation between Argentina and La Guaira Banks?
:-) :-)
Carlos

Re: memorial day weekend
Sonny -- 2 June 2000, at 1:13 a.m. EDT

CAPT. "X" , YOUR'E LIKE THE GUYS WORKING ON MY BOAT. YOU SHOW UP, BUT DON'T DO ANYTHING!

Re: memorial day weekend
Vic Roy -- 1 June 2000, at 9:21 p.m. EDT

Hey Capt. X - you are breaking up. Say again.

Vic

Re: memorial day weekend
capt.x -- 1 June 2000, at 8:50 p.m. EDT

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Re: Cummins modifications
Vic Roy -- 1 June 2000, at 8:24 p.m. EDT

Mike - your friends (here) are right. Keep it down, you are not in the racing boat business. You can crank unlimited h.p. out of a Briggs and Stratton for a little while. I ran pure alchol in my go-cart (did not call them that way back then), and beat the fat kid down the street, but the cylinder head melted at the other end of the street. Keep the rpm down, the load factor down, and tell Frank to deload the injector pump. Your goal is a good one, but go slooooooooow - keep the pressures down, the temps low as you can. The ultimate hp number is smoke and mirrors.

Uncle Vic - flunked out of LSU in engineering in 1962, but seen 'em run, and seen 'em blow. Like the yellow Blackfin in my marina with 300 6bta that the guy gooses up. Always listing to one side or the other with one engine out getting overhauled.

Re: Cummins modifications
chuck k -- 1 June 2000, at 8:23 p.m. EDT

MIKE
I HAVE 300HP CUMMINS IN MY BOAT.THE BOATS DONT NEED THAT KIND OF HP.I HINK YOU WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY WITH 220HP.PATRICK HAS ANY BODY EVER INSTALLED ONE OF THOSE LIVE WELLS OFF THE BACK OF THE BOAT.CHUCK

Re: Cummins modifications
Capt Mike Holmes -- 1 June 2000, at 8:00 p.m. EDT

I talked to a guy at S&S awhile back who said Detroit was trying to buy back a lot of the 12v and 16v 92's. Sounded like they wanted the newer engines out there as much as possible. I hope I can hold some of Franks power mania down. This whole project started to try to bring affordable, reliable diesel power to the average boater. My feeling is that if you are going to push them, buy from Cummins and let them warranty the results.

Re: Cummins modifications
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 1 June 2000, at 7:46 p.m. EDT

Cap'n Mike,

Good luck on your re-power! I know you'll baby those big thumpers.

Remind Frank of all the marinization companies that have gone down the tubes trying to squeeze superman outa' melvin milktoast. And those that are still in business are still fighting law suits for things like the Detroit 671TIB, (a 1,000 hr grenade by Johnson & Towers). Penski won't even warranty a Detroit marinized by any other than Detroit... J&T and Stewart and Stevens were the main offenders that brought Penski to that policy...

Again, best of luck!

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Cummins modifications
Capt Mike Holmes -- 1 June 2000, at 7:09 p.m. EDT

I agree about the horses. Plan to hold mine around 210 - 220 if if runs OK there - and I think it will. The truck engines have aluminum pistons, evidently, and the higher hp marine engines are cast iron. My goal is fuel efficiency and longevity, rather than blazing speed. It's just that buddy Frank is so excited with what he can get out of them!

Re: Custom Package
Dug -- 1 June 2000, at 3:03 p.m. EDT

Well Patrick, I thought you had all but disappeared! That sure is some beautiful work you are doing...I am glad I have no more units and am not in Palm Beach or I would be having a contract signed with you!

Re: Custom Package
Vic Roy -- 1 June 2000, at 2:33 p.m. EDT

Patrick - glad you are back. I was starting to wornder if you were still verical. No, did not eat the frog - they taste too much like chicken.

But in my distant youth, say I was a freshman at LSU in 1961 - I worked one summer at a private club as a lifeguard, pith helmet and all. Made a buck an hour. Worked from 9 am til 10 pm, and had to buy my own burgers and cokes. My buddy would pick me up a 10 p.m. and we would drive a hour pulling a flatboat to the Ramah swamp and go frogging until about 6 a.m., then go sell the frogs to a fish market in the ghetto. Then back to the pool. Glad my kids were not swimming there.

Uncle Vic

Re: Bertram mystique continues
Vic Roy -- 1 June 2000, at 2:24 p.m. EDT

Capy - I guess my dislike for cod comes from my momma prying my mouth open and pouring that oil-crap down my throat in the '40's. Like the time I ate too many quamquats. Never forget it.

How do you catch a cod? Trolling from the codtower, or sight casting to them? Cast net? Coonass method - dynamite, or better yet, telephone them? I remeber my introduction to phoning catfish in an aluminum boat barefoot. A shocking experience.

I notice that cod have a funny stripe down the side that sort of looks like the lines of the new Bayliners, or maybe the 83 Cadillac. Pretty.

Uncle Vic

Custom Package
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 1 June 2000, at 2:07 p.m. EDT

Greetings all!

Sorry to have been rather absent lately... Between air boxes, consoles, and the usual irons in the local fire, life has been hectic!

Uncle Vic, I love your stories! Keep 'em up!

Dug, thanks for the insights on custom work!

Mike, good luck on all of your new installations!

Sonny, Uncle Vic edges you out as a "story teller", but only by a frog hair! (Vic ate the frog... No evidence trail...)

Looks like I have some slack for the next month or so, while one one of my more demanding clients is out of town. May be able to catch up on some of the website maintenance...

I've decided to offer a package deal to some of B31 owners in my area, (Jamie MacGregor is getting first refusal), but figured that it was only fair to make the offer public. This will be a one time, "first come - first served" offer, and only one owner will be able to get it.

It involves a package installation of the console, air box system, and livewell. For more info see: http://bertram31.com/proposal.htm

Best regards,

Patrick

bertram 31 - bertram31.com images

Custom Package

Re: Cummins modifications
springloaded -- 1 June 2000, at 1:02 p.m. EDT

MIKE
I HAVE TO AGREE WITH VIC.I JUST OVERHAULED 1 OF MY 300HP 6BTS.THERE ARE DIFFERENT INTERNAL PARTS FOR DEFFERENT HP. FOR AS RPM RANGE MY FUEL CONSUMTION WENT FROM 1.4 MPG @2450(26KTS)TO 2.4 MPG @2300.(24KTS).SO RUNNING THEM UNDER 2400 RPM IS DEFINITLY THE TICKET.CUMMINS TOLD ME THE TRUCK ENGINE WOULDNT HOLD UP UNDER THAT KIND OF HP.
GOOD LUCK.

Re: Bertram mystique continues
capy -- 1 June 2000, at 8:14 a.m. EDT

Vic,

Frog legs are pretty good but still don't hold a candle to cod.....which, by the way, are in good numbers up here again thanks to the feds shuttin down the commercials from dragging for them. I went out last weekend and filled my cooler with keepers in about 2 hrs, 10 per angler.

regards,

capy

Re: Cummins modifications
Sonny -- 31 May 2000, at 9:59 p.m. EDT

MIKE- HAVE YOU RUN THIS BY TONY ATHENS ON THE CUMMINS WEB SITE? HE IS A BIT ON THE CONSERV. SIDE, BUT HAS A LOT OF HANDS ON WITH THE "B" SERIES. THE GUY IS A WALKING CUMMINS MANUAL. I ALSO HAVE SEEN SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS ON CONVERSIONS ON THE SITE. HE MUST ALSO HAVE A COPY OF "BLACK'S LAW DICTIONARY" AT HAND AS HE WILL NOT STEP ON TOES. IF YOU CAN'T FIND THE SITE, LET ME KNOW AND I'LL TRY TO PULL IT UP FOR YOU. SONNY

Re: Cummins modifications
Vic Roy -- 31 May 2000, at 8:41 p.m. EDT

Capt. Mike - be careful. There is an old coonass saying. "The bulls get some, the bears get some, and the hogs go the abatroire. Which is french, more or less, for the slaughtershouse. Greed Kills. Overloading the crankshaft is the critical link. Even at low rpm, propping it up to take the torque will result in downstream probelms. Start out gingerly. Feel the boat, the gears, the props. Work up, but stop when the rocking chair is there, say at 2400 rpm. Work below that number, and try to get the hum at 2400 with the 6bta's. In Uncle Vic's humble view, working with EGT is a trojan horse. The key to long life, no proplems with the 6bta is running them at about 50-60 percent of load. Over that, like with the 315"s, etc, you are trading big units per hour.

Uncle Vic

Cummins modifications
Mike Holmes -- 31 May 2000, at 8:10 p.m. EDT

Vic, et al - my engine guy wants my beautiful bronze exhaust elbows back! He has new ones for me with ports to install probes for pyrometers, to monitor the exhaust gas temperature! The Cummins truck engine he took to 273hp was at 2500rpm, and putting out 720 ft lbs of torgue! He intends to produce a 285 hp plate for the injector pumps. With his manifolds and an aftercoller, he expects 300hp to be a reasonable goal, with maybe 800 ft lbs torgue. He figures with this setup you could run at 2200rpm and still be getting 500 ft lbs of torque (all test were done on a dyno). Right now he has 2 low mileage truck engines ready to convert, and has found a source for Cummins 6BT industrial engines that are already 285 hp with 2 hours running time for $6,000 ea. The company is Cascade Manufacturing, "Frank" Franklin, Fort Worth, TX - 817/568-9357. Tellem Capt. Mike sent ya.

Now I gotta get mine bolted down, hooked up, and running!

Re: Bertram mystique continues
Dug -- 31 May 2000, at 5:31 p.m. EDT

Vic,

That be one bigass frog...

Re: Awesome steering wheels!
Fred G. -- 31 May 2000, at 5:09 p.m. EDT

Copy me on the helm info when you can. I've been playing tel-tag with St. Angelo on the teak but am still determined. I just got my props and strut back and I'll be putting them in on sat. Maybe we're in the water next week. thanks.

Re: memorial day weekend
Sonny -- 31 May 2000, at 12:17 a.m. EDT

Uncle Vic- My loving wife, who has stuck with me through thick and thin, bailing a sinking boat while I went for the life jacket, told the policeman I only had two martines, and told the bikini bartender across the street that I snored, saw your message. She said, " I can see two old fat boys , on their backs, settling in the water, stogies going out at the same time"! Vic, I topped her, said it would be better than having a Cornary Trombone while being bitched at!

Re: Bertram mystique continues
Vic Roy -- 30 May 2000, at 9:17 p.m. EDT

Jeff - man, you guys the cat's meow. Man, I remember when I won a half unit and I thought my doo was sweet. You guys kick their asses. Pull orange/black 12 in Softheads on all your lines. The marlin, the big marlin, eat them. Maybe slow when the monkey boats are hollering on the radio about hook ups, but they are not hooked up with the real thing. Your B31 will hum them up, and use the stright running 12 in. wide range softheads, rigged 180 degrees with 11/0 ss mustads. Wait, and wait, and wait. Fish where they live, and they will come.

Uncle Vic - congrats on your unit hit. Need a tax lawyer? They send a 1099? Don't worry - I will testify that you lost your ass under GAAP. Which you did, as a matter of fact.

I'm about to sign off, but I can't help but sharing with you guys that a g.d. frog about a foot long just hopped under my stool into the corner of the shop. Big green swamp frog. The old cat that lives in the shop looked at it and went back to sleep. Now the sucker just hopped back under me headed for the genarator. Excuse, me gnets, but I see a coonass meal.

Later

Uncle Vic

memorial day weekend
Vic Roy -- 30 May 2000, at 9:01 p.m. EDT

Uncle Vic stayed home this weekend, have a cold, and the wind was blowing and the forecast was not good. Uncle Vic has a bunch of rock-um-up trips in the bank, and deposit more with extreme caution, at my advanced age. On the other hand, had a relaxed 3 day weekend with my bride of 34 years - who has put up with my B31, et al b.s. for that long - and we walked the neighborhood for an hour each morning getting ready to hoof it in Europe in July. You guys outta try it, it works.

Now, Uncle Vic gonna tell you a story that I have not told before, except to my hero in Alaska. It's about the time Uncle Vic - who to this day is a licensed pilot, but not eye-capable no mo',no,mo; - was flying his Cessna 185 floatplane from Memphis, TN to Baton Rouge down the big river. Uncle Vic got about 100 mi south of Memphis when the engine started to sputter and I changed fuel tanks. Still sputtering. Hey Sonny - turned on the aux. fuel pump, too. Still sputtering, and obviouly would not stay in the air. Uncle Vic lands in the Mississippi River about 20 miles north of Natchez, MS. Good landing, no one killed. Me the only one on board. On the water, engine still running, but only about 500 rpm and about to quit. See sand bar on bank. Head to it. Notice starboard list. Gets worse fast. About 100 yards from sandbar, g.d. plane turns over. Uncle Vic bails out into water with lawyer-suit and briefcase in hand. Swin to sandbar. Winter - cold as #####. Slog a mile thru swamp to levee. Dripping and freezing. Climp to top of levee and build fire. Find cigar in briefcase, light it, lay back by fire and wait. Old local guy comes chuggin' down top of levee on tractor pulling hay trailer and sees Uncle Vic. Scares ##### outta him, but he comes back. Takes Uncle Vic to police station, still smoking cigar. Found plane a week later about 10 miles downstream with one wing tip sticking out of the water. Thank God for insurance. Turns out fuel I got in Memphis had crap in it. Rode Big Dog back to Baton Rouge from Natchez. Still soacked, but had my tie on and my black leather briefcade clutched in my hand. Changed my life. I don't wear no time no mo', and I don't carry no briefcase. Plus, I personally check the fuel. Every time. They can put diesel in a gas B31 and vice versa. No, Sonny, I did not report the incident to the FAA, and yes, if you would have been my co-pilot, we would have sank on an even keel.

Uncle Vic, glad to be with you guys.

Re: Awesome steering wheels!
Dug -- 30 May 2000, at 5:43 p.m. EDT

Jeff, I will have that for you tomorrow, and I will email it directly to you, sound good?

I know that there are 13", 16", and 18" wheels, and I have the 16" with the "Power Knob" on it.

Talk to you tomorrow!

Dug

Re: Bertram31 Block Island Cruise 2000
Vic Roy -- 30 May 2000, at 5:22 p.m. EDT

Hey Richard - they are all over. In my marina (maybe 100 sport boats) in Venice, La (pop. depends on when oil rig helicopters leave) there are 5 B31's: mine, a FBC with 4-53's, another FBC with new 3116 Cats (which the 2 docs are trying to sell for 120 units), a BM charter boat with 170 Yanmars, and a FBC with gas engines that the guy has fixed up first class. The other marina in Venice has 2 or 3 more. You only fish out of Venice, so it's no wonder.

Uncle Vic sat out the weekend with a cold and the wind blowing about 30 kts Fri and Sat, but Sun and yesterday they tore up the wahoo, dolphin, tuna and several bulue 6 miles off South Pass.

Like the lady said in the movie, Tomorrow Is Another Day.

See ya.

Re: Awesome steering wheels!
Jeff -- 30 May 2000, at 4:54 p.m. EDT

Dug, tell me how I can find out more info on the wheel, like a picture, price, etc.

Re: Bertram31 Block Island Cruise 2000
Dug -- 30 May 2000, at 4:16 p.m. EDT

Sounds great Richard!!!!!

There is yours, the blue one in West harbor (green bottom), the open one with the tower in the back, and one other white one that I have seen on a mooring in West harbor as well right?

I don't know, we have two in GLP harbor alone, but I know we have less than 2000 residents, so proportionately, hmmmm... just kidding, we are rich in the Bertrams regardless!

Who owns the open one? Just curious, I have talked to them. On the way to the New London Fireworks two years ago. I should at least have the Whaler in the water this coming weekend, will you be out on the island?

Take care,
Dug

Re: Bertram31 Block Island Cruise 2000
Richard A. Miller -- 30 May 2000, at 3:41 p.m. EDT

There are four 31s on Fishers Island (pop. 2500 full to the gills on a summer week-end) - mine, two gas-powered FBCs, and one in Moppie configuration with no superstructure at all. (Possibly the highest concentration of 31s per capita one can find anywhere.) I spoke to the three other owners last week-end, and all are interested. In fact, one is downright eager. So you may get a procession of as many as four boats from Fishers. But probably none of us would stay overnight because we're only about 1 hr 20 min from home.

Re: Take a look at this boat...
DavidR -- 30 May 2000, at 2:41 p.m. EDT

Hi Dug,

Thanks, Called the broker on the "HUNTER" in NY Got some great pictures...More of a crusier than anything ..Lots of wood...Lot of upkeep.....I think I need to contact Hunter Scott to get some estimates on customizing...I would rather go to someone who has been there done that....The Broker said he has done 8 or 9 B31's...Like too see his portfolio...to get some ideas....David R

Re: Windows
Dug -- 30 May 2000, at 2:19 p.m. EDT

Cool, thanks. That is what I thought glass wise. As for the formica, it is white, but the brown needs it in places as well!

Thanks!

Dug

Re: Windows
Peter Fallon -- 30 May 2000, at 10:11 a.m. EDT

DUG,
I HAVE USED SCOTT'S LIQUID GOLD TO BRING BACK THE COLOR (IF IT'S THE BROWN FORMICA).I WORKS GREAT BUT IT HAS TO BE DONE EVERY 3TO4 WEEKS DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH SUN IT GETS. ON THE WINDOW PROBLEM I HAD TO REPLACE ONE OF THE FRONT FLAT OPENING WINDOWS, ANY GOOD GLASS COMPANY SHOULD BE ABLE TO CUT TO FIT (USE SAFETY GLASS). THE OLD SPLINING IS IMPOSSIBLE TO GET,BUT 1/4" DOUBLE SIDED TAPE WORKS WELL. PUT THE TAPE BETWEEN THE FRAME AND THE GLASS THEN BED IT WITH A GOOD SILICON SEALER.

PETE FALLON

Bertram mystique continues
Jeff -- 30 May 2000, at 9:52 a.m. EDT

The small Bertrams won out in the latest marlin tourney. A beautifully restored 26 with a single Mercruiser diesel duoprop caught the only marlin in the tournament to take the win. A 31 from Charleston, SC came down and took third overall, and we, the Cold Duck crowd, took fifth overall, so 3 out of the top five spots,... ain't bad.
We also took first in the wahoo calcutta, so all totalled, pocketed about 5.2 units. After selling a big mess of fish, grossed nearly 6 units for the weekend. Still looking for our first bill for the Cold Duck, hopefully in two weeks at the next tournament. The new Simrad AP 11 worked to perfection, interfaced with our Simrad GPS chartplotter. Turn it on, punch in the waypoint, and three words, for git it! There were 30 boats in the field (lower than expected due to the poor forecast), with plenty of 40 and 50 footers, Vikings, big Bertrams, Hatterases, Posts, Davis, Blackwells, and one beautiful 1957 44 Rybovich. I asked 9 of the wash girls to be my mistress, but since they were all from Argentina and didn't speak good english, no tellin
what they thought I was saying. I'd sure like to fish the La Guaira bank one day!

Windows
Dug -- 30 May 2000, at 9:19 a.m. EDT

Quick question,

I have a large crack developing in one of the two glass front windows, and am wondering what type of place I should call or go to in order to get this window replaced. Also, I should replace one slider in the back of the cabin if I am replacing windows...

Also, does anyone have any hints for restoring the formica on the outside of the back of the cabin, over the engine hatches? I have found that Rubbing compound does not work...

Thanks!

Dug

Re: Take a look at this boat...
Dug -- 30 May 2000, at 9:14 a.m. EDT

Why of course!

Here you go...

Hunter Scott Custom Boat Works
18 Commerce Park
Pocasset, MA 02559

508-564-5132

Great guy, tell him I said hi. Good luck!

Dug

Re: Awesome steering wheels!
Carlos Sucre -- 27 May 2000, at 2:11 a.m. EDT

Dug
I have one of the edson almag wheels in my 31.
My flybridge console looks beautiful. Nothing nicer in the market.
Carlos

Re: First marlin tournament
Will#2 -- 26 May 2000, at 7:47 p.m. EDT

Have see the 31 Lets Go many times, my son worked at hoffmans and said that he was always out on the boat. We had to change the turbos and fuel coolers which would make the motors on our boat identical to the 330 hp cummings.

will lewis-Valentine

Re: Take a look at this boat...
DavidR -- 26 May 2000, at 6:54 p.m. EDT

Thanks for the insight...Would you have a number and address for Hunter Scott...I'd like to take a look at their facility and maybe talk to someone ,
DavidR

Re: Take a look at this boat...
Dug -- 26 May 2000, at 9:41 a.m. EDT

You know David, I guarantee that the owner put 120,000 into it. At least. He is likely not trying to make a profit. Hunter does amazing work, 100% custom. Remember everything you see is not defrayed by volume. It is all done by hand. The hull is usually stripped to the glass and re-gelcoated and painted, the entire cabin gutted, the flying bridge completely replaced, new hard top, likely to have a new teak deck and everything else. It is conceivable to have that kind of money spent pretty easily actually. And think about it in these terms, what does a new 31' Cabo cost? $250,000 for the boat alone? Then add on all the fun stuff, tower, electronics, etc. This is a new boat for much better money, with a lot of style and easily as fishable. so it all depends!

Re: First marlin tournament
Art Schuessler -- 25 May 2000, at 10:30 p.m. EDT

Mike is a friend of ours and we also have had Tom Oates at Holtz work on the SEAHORSE--He repowered her with new cummins last winter she had 504s same as yours before Mike had Tolchester install the 315 cummins. Saw you comming home during the tournement - Valantine flies - must have been doing 30 knots at least. As we are out of Shark River we will no doubt see you off shore . By the way look for a 31 named Lets Go- Dr Palegria had it repowered at Tolchester when Mike had yours done and it also flies, I think he docks on the Glimmer Glass, Look forward to talking to you at the tournement if not before. Art -Seahorse

Re: pastime
Capt Mike Holmes -- 25 May 2000, at 10:12 p.m. EDT

The last I heard Gary DeJohn had a fish market in Gonzales. I met so many good people during my time there that I almost took Shell up on an offer to stay. Long drive to Grand Isle, though, when I was used to being closer to the coast. If I ever made it to Venice in my boat I doubt if I'd come back! I plan to get the engine mounts bedded and bolted down this weekend, then start hooking everything up - straines, water lines, Racors, gauges, - all those little things that mean so much. Still hunting for a genset, though.

Re: Take a look at this boat...
DavidR -- 25 May 2000, at 6:41 p.m. EDT

Dug,

That Boat is a screamer But 169 large ,a little pricy don't ya think....What do you think all that work cost the owner..I'd like to have some work done but.whoa.

Awesome steering wheels!
Dug -- 25 May 2000, at 5:11 p.m. EDT

Hello all!

Well, two things really here...first, Vic. I have to admit it, that canal cam is really cool. Yesterday I watched (on the side of course, I was in the office for gosh sakes!) a 50 +/- foot sportfisherman go through, so this is something I can watch!!!

Second, I am excited, because I just confirmed that Edson will be selling their "power wheels" on Boatscape.com! If you are not familiar with these wheels they are really nice looking and quite functional as well. We should our virtual storefront up in a week to three, and I have one of these babies on my 31, and it looks sharp! They are factory OEM equipment on Sea Craft, Contender, and a number of other very good boats, so if your wheel is looking a bit raggedy on your boat, give me a call if you want to spiff up the bridge!!!

Anyway, take care all, and have a good night!

Re: pastime
Vic Roy -- 25 May 2000, at 7:58 a.m. EDT

Mike - all those eateries are still there and a bunch more. Know a lot of DeJohn's, but not that one. On the a/c pump, I finally had to go to a Jabsco flexible impeller pump 'casue the boat rises so high at cruise that the pump would come above the waterline and lose prime in rough seas. It's kinda noisy, but pumps. I saw on tv just now they had a giant explosion at one of the plats down there last nite; killed one and hurt 10. Big time bombs. When the Exxon plant here blew about 10 years ago it shook my house, and I'm 8 miles away from it. Ambulance-chasers still having a field day with it.

Get your boat running and come over and let's do some fishing.

Vic

Re: pastime
Capt Mike Holmes -- 24 May 2000, at 9:43 p.m. EDT

Well, Black Sheep was still floating today! Gonna have to replace my A/C water pump, though, the old Marsh pump quit for some reason. Bought a Cal to replace it on advise of some "experts" at the marina. I think they really just bought them because they are shiny - but I like that, too! I haven't been to Baton Rouge since 1979. Is Ralph & Kacoo's still good? I spent 2 1/2 years there on a Shell Oil expense account and gained a lot of weight in local eateries. I guess my favorite place of all was Sno's in Gonzales, although The Cabin on the river road down from Geismar was interesting. Where else do you find a men's room with stalls made from the cisterns from the Jack Daniel's distillery? Ever run across a cajun commercial slat-trap Catfisherman named Gary DeJohn? I worked a lot of "Dog" shifts with him on a start-up.

Re: pastime
Vic Roy -- 24 May 2000, at 7:00 p.m. EDT

Capt. Mike - keeping her floating is half the battle. Instead of the yellow boxes in the parking lots, I want the job of the folks who sit in the chair and watch to make sure no one come in thru the exits at airports. Or maybe the walkway crossing guard at the San Diego airport who is stall there in his cop uniform with a "stop" - "go" sign 6 months after they closed the walkway. Swear on a 31 Bertram - saw him still there week before last, still sitting in the same chair. Guy may be dead, and the climate there is so good he may not even smell for a year.

The easily entertained Uncle Vic.

Re: pastime
Capt Mike Holmes -- 23 May 2000, at 9:53 p.m. EDT

Thanks for the tip on the live cam. In my next life I think I'll work in one of those little yellow boxes that process film in supermarket parking lots.

pastime
Vic Roy -- 23 May 2000, at 8:38 p.m. EDT

I hang out in my shop a lot with the computer on while I'm doing mindless dribble like greasing roller guides on trolling rods. I found a webcam and this great to keep on your computer while whiling away time. It's a live cam, updated every 3 seconds, of one of the locks on the Panama Canal. Yeah, ya'll think Uncle Vic finally went over the edge, and maybe so. Watch it for a while, and see those Panamax ships go up and down about 100 feet. My wife saw it and decided Uncle Vic is easily entertained.

Anyhow, I find it facinating: www.pancanal.com/photo/camera-java.html

Uncle Vic - remembering there is a fine line between practicing law and selling shoes.

Re: It's only units....
Vic Roy -- 23 May 2000, at 5:50 p.m. EDT

Jeff - I had one of those 21's on my old 25 Bertram, intially with a chain drive to the mech. steering. Had to keep a bottle of alchol and some q-tips handy to clean the little contacts on the compass shaft. First time I was using it went by a big oil rig and the sucker homed in on it like it had eyes. The iron in the rig swung the little autopilot compass 90 degrees and scared the doo doo outta Uncle Vic. Plus you always had to keep a paper clip handy to open the plastic case. And the "sea state" knob could just as well been on the icechest, for all the good it did. I still have a couple of heads for them in my attic if anyone wants them.

I've seen the one you just got and like the big numbers.

Catch 'em up this weekend. I may go if the weather sorts out, but the good blue water still is way out here, so it might be a slow start in the Gulf.

Vic

It's only units....
Jeff -- 23 May 2000, at 4:48 p.m. EDT

We finally got tired of plunking down good units after bad on a dinosaur of an autopilot, a 20yr old Benmar Coursesetter 21, and sprung the sluice gates open on a brand spanking new Simrad Robertson AP 11. What else could we do with 3 units that would be as much fun as a boat..... We dreaded 3 hours out and 3 hours back for two days in the big "tunament" this weekend without
autopilot!

Re: Take a look at this boat...
Dave D. -- 23 May 2000, at 3:45 p.m. EDT

Tell her bigger is better.....in bra size but not in boats!

Re: First marlin tournament
Will#2 -- 23 May 2000, at 3:05 p.m. EDT

Yeh im on the valentine, we bought the boat about two years ago from Mr Slomawitz,on the Jastee, who lives right in beach heaven. We got honorable mension one year on the NUToy for a real big marlin at the Lindem Knol. We used to live in manahawkin but we moved to Pt Pleasant last year.The boat has bean with Tom Oaks in Maramora harbor for the winter getting a some work done. We will be there at the white marlin in july and the tuna one in september.See you there!

Re: Take a look at this boat...
Dug -- 23 May 2000, at 9:31 a.m. EDT

I will call Hunter up and see what I can do! But it may cost you a whole new flybridge to fit it on!!!

Re: Take a look at this boat...
Dug -- 23 May 2000, at 9:30 a.m. EDT

No it is not the original flybridge. Actually Hunter Scott likes to work with Bahia Mar models, so he does not have to remove the flybridge! He will cut it off, re-core the top of the cabin with balsa, and then fabricates what he calls a tournament style bridge which is wider, and much more spacious. It is nice, but can look a bit top heavy if you are accustomed to the narrower original bridge.

Re: Take a look at this boat...
Sonny -- 23 May 2000, at 2:35 a.m. EDT

YOU KNOW, A 31' FOOTER IS A PRETTY GOOD SIZE BOAT IT HAS TO STOP SOMEWARE!

Re: Take a look at this boat...
Sonny -- 23 May 2000, at 2:25 a.m. EDT

VIC-DOUG AND MIKE--MY BOAT IS FORSALE FOR $250,000. THE BARMAIDE ACROSS THE STREET DUMPT ME THE OTHER DAY. SHE SAID SHE MET A GUY WITH A BIGGER BOAT, I SAID I USED TO HAVE A BIGGER BOAT THAN I DO NOW, BUT I SAID I LET IT GO AS IT WAS TOO MUCH FOR ME. SHE SAID THE "BIGGER BOAT RULES". WHEN SHE LEFT SHE SAID "BY, BY" LITTLE BOAT, I'M BESIDE MYSELF AND ABOUT TO LOOK INTO THAT LITTLE BLUE PILL. A FELLOW BOATER IN DISTRESS!

Re: Take a look at this boat...
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 22 May 2000, at 9:55 p.m. EDT

Nice looking boat, but I think some of these folks are awfully proud of their work. Speaking of proud, I splashed mine this evening! Still floating, so this weekend we start hooking everything up. Should be running in a few weeks, I hope.

Re: Take a look at this boat...
capt hot -- 22 May 2000, at 8:08 p.m. EDT

is that the original flybridge. looks a little bigger than mine

Re: Take a look at this boat...
Vic Roy -- 22 May 2000, at 5:57 p.m. EDT

But Dug - what about the "custom plastic drink/cup holder" I crave? Can you grease the skids for me? Man, just gotta have one (you notice it's singilar). Just one is all I need. Maybe slip over there one nite, and ???????. I'l help with your bail, and give free legal advice.

Uncle vic

Re: Take a look at this boat...
Dug -- 22 May 2000, at 5:42 p.m. EDT

There is a fellow in my harbor, (actually was the boat that inspired me, the kool aid so to speak) who was the second boat that Hunter Scott completed. Grasshopper is beautiful, much the way Hunter is. He has had her on the market for 5 years or so, not a rodholder on the boat. He has asked from $150,000 to $130,000, with twin detroits. Hunter sure does do beautiful work, but he is pricy. My friend spent $35,000 to buy the boat and $100,000 worth of work on her. You get what you pay for however, believe me!

Nice boats however!!! Fit and finish is incredible and Hunter strips it to the bare hull inside and out, only the hull is original actually... but someone asked how a boat can cost that type of money? To the man who can spend it, it is no option. I am not there yet!!!

Re: Take a look at this boat...
Vic Roy -- 22 May 2000, at 4:34 p.m. EDT

Dug - what a price! - for a gas boat. Staggering. I want the "Custom plastic drink/cup holder mounted forward of helm postion". Geezzzz. I usually keep my beer in the huggie behind the throttles, and dumped over a nearly full one last week in the foamy 5 footers. Gotta have one of them "custom" plastic holders. Think they would sell that separate, or I gotta buy the whole boat to get it?

Man, that's some strong Koolaid, for sure.

Vic

Re: who and where are you?
Fred Greis B31"Kar-Fre" -- 22 May 2000, at 4:32 p.m. EDT

I agree with Dug. No response is a safer way to go although a pass word arraingement may be difficult to do. I've allready started a local (northest) B31 data base on my own with just em addresses, couples names, marina location, and some notes to refresh my memory on our conversations. The problem with posting a listing on or attached to the site is privacy. I enjoy conversing with you guys but nobody wants to get spammed by non B31 interests. Also, if "they" know we're we live and also know that a bunch of us are rafting up for a weekend, well, you get the picture.Fred -out-

Take a look at this boat...
Dug -- 22 May 2000, at 2:13 p.m. EDT

Hey all,

Take a look at this beauty...

http://search.yachtworld.com/boats/view_more_boat.cgi?url=&boat_id=656966&align=left&units=Feet&access=Public&listing_id=6424&page=http://search.yachtworld.com/boats/view_more_boat.cgi?url=&boat_id=656966&align=left&units=Feet&access=Public&listing_id=6424&page=

Another one of Hunter Scott's beauties!

Enjoy,

Dug

Re: reward
Vic Roy -- 21 May 2000, at 8:21 p.m. EDT

Mike - gonna send you some bumber stickers left over from the multiple marriages of a former partner named Mike. Says "Honk If You Have Never Been Married To Mike".

Glad you are getting the baby along. Your elbows sound like mine - Government Job. Them yankees we talk to don't know what wonders live in our petrochemical plants.

I've been hanging around the house this weekend feeling kinda puny from a g.d. cold I caught in DC, aggrivated by the week before in San Diego, and not quite cured by last week's fishing trip. Wife making me take the stupid pills, and they work. Duhhhhhhh.

Vic

Re: reward
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 21 May 2000, at 7:59 p.m. EDT

Back to chicken dolphin - I also feel like the stupid fish, and people, bite first. Sometimes, though, they both get in a frenzy and do things they shouldn't. That's how I explain getting married again recently - for the 4th time. Or the day we left the dolphin biting with 104 in the box.

Gonna splash the boat tomorrow! (The marina quit early today) Got my exhaust elbows yesterday. Frank had them made of aluminum bronze from an aircraft formulation he got from engineers at Bell Helicopter. They look great and will probably last forever, but I don't know how he expects to sell them for a profit.

Re: Models of the Bertram 31
Andrew Burton -- 21 May 2000, at 1:09 p.m. EDT

I will be happy to send you a photo of the model as soon as I get it from my carver: around mid June, I think. Rest assured the model will be very accurate. The carver does most of the new work for the New York YC and his work is superb. I understand Bertram changed the position of the lifting strakes sometime in the sixties, I believe I have the later plans but I am not sure, I will find out from Hunt and let you know.
I can do the 25 but unless I can find another couple of buyers, it will be a bit pricey.
Thank you once again for letting me promote my models in your forum.
Andrew Burton

Re: Diesel owners.........
Vic Roy -- 20 May 2000, at 7:57 p.m. EDT

Phil - like Jimmy says - "changes in latitude" I keep a $55 a year state commercial fishing license and can buy fuel cheap.

You can put the beer in a mesh bag over the side and save on ice. Down here, ice is king. I have a 400# a day machine on the front of the sinking houseboat, and it earns its keep.

See ya

Vic

Re: Diesel owners.........
PHIL - BABYLON, N.Y. -- 20 May 2000, at 7:34 p.m. EDT

UNCLE VIC - I THINK THE DIESEL UP HERE IN NEW YORK MUST BE STERILIZED FOR THE PRICE WERE PAYING - $1.89 PER GALLON! PLEASE SHOW SOME COMPASSION WITH YOUR FISHING REPORTS, OUR OCEAN TEMP JUST SHOT PASSED 55 DEGREES!

Re: Bertram31 Block Island Cruise 2000
Fred Greis "Kar-Fre"78B31 -- 20 May 2000, at 1:37 p.m. EDT

I just spoke w/Joe at Champlins Marina. He has plenty of slips for that weekend. There's a two (2) night minimum at $2.50/ft. X31=$155 for the weekend which includes electric. That's fine for us, but if anyone can't make the two nights there are moorings run by the town. They will allow two boats(no more) on a single mooring, so if you want to moore together you'll need to set up outside the mooring field. The problem is that Joe says it's first come/serve and they fill up fast on friday/sat. I don't want to spend anyone's money for them, but if it's a gathering, we might as well gather at the slips, plus the amenities sound comfy. I just spoke to the "Amber Jack" out of Point Judith, and they did'nt know about the site, but they want to come. Again, when making the reservations, tell Joe your with the B31 club so he has us all together. -out-

Re: Bertram31 Block Island Cruise 2000
Fred Greis "Kar-Fre"78B31 -- 20 May 2000, at 12:37 p.m. EDT

Count us in! I will call the marina today. It will be our first trip out there so I'll be asking you guys for some local knowledge. We'll shoot for Friday afternoon. I'll find out if the marina can do some package deal and will em the folks I know individually to make sure you get the message. If your making reservations, tell them you want to be with the rest of the B31 "club". If your bringing wives/gf's,post there first names here. We'll stay till sunday am(weather), so maybe we can have some kind of lunch and/or dinner together on saturday (on the boats?), with some birthday candles for Mike's sweetheart. I'll get back w/ more info after I check in with the marina. Lookin forward. -out-

Re: Diesel owners.........
Capt. Tony -- 20 May 2000, at 8:59 a.m. EDT

Yes , a conspiracy it is.
The big flounders are bititng. Some not so big ones too! got one last week at 150# I'll send the pic to your home email.
65 cents a gallon??????
Hope it cools down Vic 92 2 hot.
Capt Tony

Re: reward
Vic Roy -- 20 May 2000, at 8:17 a.m. EDT

Yep as to both questions. The barmaid is running a tab under your name, and I tried to gave her a mortgage on your 31, but she said she "already owns his fat ass lock, stock and barrel", whatever that means.

Vic

Re: reward
Sonny -- 19 May 2000, at 11:01 p.m. EDT

Uncle Vic- Two questions. Did you toe the rudders, and have you been taking my seat at the tiki bar across the street since I have been doing the wagon (just temp. until I take my physical. Want to give them a "false negative"!

reward
Vic Roy -- 19 May 2000, at 8:32 p.m. EDT

NMFS called me back today about my tagged red snapper and my reward. No s--t, it is 50 cents. I caught the snapper on Wed. 5-17 at rig number South Pass 37-B, and the NMFS guy looked up the tag number, and the fish had been tagged at the SAME rig on April 19 by a guy I know. NMFS asked if I would ship them the fish, but I ate it already. One dumb red snapper.

You guys ever notice when you get in the chicken dolphin, that you can throw just about anything at thme and they go nuts, but in a few minutes, they get wary? I'm convinced that you catch the stupid ones first. Think about it - the people you work with every day - the dumb ones always fall for the stupid schemes to get rich quick, or think they can cheat on their wives, etc. Fish are no different. Catch the stupid ones, and the smart ones you never see.

Capt's Mike and Tony? Comments?

Uncle Vic waxing in the afterglow of a fishing trip where lawyer-dribble was replaced by simple tasks such as looking over the stern of the 31 at 25 knts and marveling at how much boat there is below the boot stripe. Never ceases to amaze me.

Re: Diesel owners.........
Vic Roy -- 19 May 2000, at 3:08 p.m. EDT

Capt. Tony - it's a conspiracy, and we are the payees. On the other hand, our boats don't burn what the commerical guys do. Yesterday, while I was filling up with 50 gals at 65 cents, a 220 foot supply boat was turning the meter at 110,000 gallons next to me.

You talk about smooth as a licked whatever, my 31 with the new port shaft is like glass. Feel it in your butt. Syncro the cummins at 2400 and it is uncanny - feel like a magic carpet.

Them big flounders biting yet? Don't forget our deal to razoo the coonass rodeos this summer.

From the hot, humid (right now, 92) swamps.

Uncle Vic

Re: Diesel owners.........
Capt. Tony -- 19 May 2000, at 1:51 p.m. EDT

Funny, isn't it. We have an oil pipeline a couple hundred miles away, a refinery 75 miles away, and our fuel is higher than the lower 48, by quite a bit. The Homer Harbor has 2 fuel docks,
and Tesoro owns 'em both. Guess they can charge whatever they want.
Hope all your 31's are running as good as the "Falcon"
Capt. Tony

Re: Fishing report
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 18 May 2000, at 10:52 p.m. EDT

Vic, I'm going to try 210 -220 to start, but the corruption of power may push me beyond that eventually!

Re: Fishing report
Vic Roy -- 18 May 2000, at 6:11 p.m. EDT

Mike - glad you are about to get 'er running. There are no good lawyers. Great ones, and the others. Varies from case to case. Sometimes you're great, sometimes you suck. I went up against NMFS once for a friend of mine, and I sucked. On the other hand, in another one, I was the greatest lawyer on the planet. There is a life lesson in there, boys and girls. Sometimes you zig, and sometimes you zag.

In any event - my 31 runs so smooth now that the (now I know) bent, and then broke, port shaft has been replaced. Mike - if you get 270 hp like your guy says, you are gonna be a rocket. Yesterday, coming up South Pass with about a 2 kt current on the nose, and maybe a 20 kt wind on the stern, I was making 23.5 kts at 2400, and all the pieces were meshing just right. Blew away a 28 foot Bayliner in the pass (maybe another brand, but you get the message - the fungible howday boat). He was humping, 'cause I could see the steam in his exhausts, and saw him looking over his shoulder at me and had his hands on the throttles. Power rules. Diesel power.

I left a message with NMFS about my g.d. reward, and them suckers better call me tomorrow or my congressman is gonna wear their butts out. Right.

Keep sippin' the koolaid, boys, it's worth it.

Vic

Re: Diesel owners.........
Dug -- 18 May 2000, at 5:43 p.m. EDT

My cousin used to work driving tow trucks with big diesels and he recommends this stuff called Power Service (the trademark name). The web site is www.powerservice.com. He says it is amazing and cleans the tank out, kills water, gunk etc.

Maybe that will help. He swears by it.

Dug

Re: Diesel owners.........
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 18 May 2000, at 5:33 p.m. EDT

A buddy of mine filled up last weekend for $1.18/ gallon, and our marina is usually a little high.

Re: Fishing report
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 18 May 2000, at 5:30 p.m. EDT

Sounds like a very good trip, especially this early. I wouldn't expect much from NMFS, either, and they'll use data from your fish to close the season in September, instead of November! We need to find a good lawyer to sue the bastards over this snapper mess! Hope to float mine tomorrow or Saturday - need to get my "dirt burners" up and running!

Fishing report
Vic Roy -- 18 May 2000, at 4:13 p.m. EDT

Uncle Vic is back from fishing. Did good. Tuesday went looking for blue water, and conditions were really not too good; some weed lines, but the water is still only about 79; it need to get in the low 80's to turn them on. Few wahoo and saw chicken dolphin, some blackfin, and a pod of sperm whales. All in all, a decent day, highlighted by the fact that Another Joy ran like a top after being laid up for months. Units at work. Yesterday we went red snapper fishing at the rigs and got out limits of real pretty ones, plus I caught a tagged one and the tag says "reward" and the 800 number for NMFS. Did Uncle Vic finally hit the jackpot. I was feeling like a lottery winner around the marina last nite until an old coonass (that's a coonass older than me) said he caught one of "dem tagg-ed fishes" and sent in the tag and got a letter back saying if he would send a stamped return envelope, they would send him 50 cents. Anyway, a nice mess of red snapper, and some decent mangrove snappers to boot. Plus, the brown shrimp season just opened, and bought some 20/24 count biggies for $4 a pound from the wholesale place.

Bad news is that the wind was blowing about 30 kts this morning, so we decided to fish inshore in my big skiff. F--King 150 Johnson dead as a hammer. Good news is that all the inshore guides, including son Capt. Brent, were back by 10 am with battered clients kissing the dock. Anyway, stopped at Salvo's Seafood restaurant in Belle Chase - by the military airbase -(burb of New Orleans) and had overstuffed oyster and shrimp po-boy for lunch.

On second thought, damned good fishing trip.

On the subject of diesel fuel, number one deal is to keep your tank full at all times, as water in diesel will make it nasty, mo' stinky, etc. I use pretty low grade stuff in my Cummins, and they love it, buy the 6bta 250s are low tech and would probably burn dirt. Plus, an added advantage is the black smoke puff it produces when throttles are jammed from idle. Lets everyone know you are BAD.

Vic

Re: PROPS 6BT
IVAN SOLER -- 18 May 2000, at 10:59 a.m. EDT

I HAVE 6BT 250 CUM I TOP AT 29KNOTS WITH 3BLADES MADE BY TREASURE COAST PROPELLERS IT FLIES OUT OF THE HOLE AND 6KNOTS IDLE

Re: Diesel owners.........
Bill M. -- 18 May 2000, at 10:38 a.m. EDT

Our diesel doesn't smell any different,but its full of crap and costs .26 a gallon.

Bill M

Re: spider
Bill M. -- 18 May 2000, at 10:33 a.m. EDT

What's a spider,other than a little critter that runs around the house and scares the ladies?

Bill M

Re: Diesel owners.........
capy -- 18 May 2000, at 10:16 a.m. EDT

Tony,

I paid 1.27 the other day....

capy

Re: Diesel owners.........
Capt. Tony -- 18 May 2000, at 9:35 a.m. EDT

Up here in Alaska, the only thing i've noticed about the Diesel fuel is that it is 35 cents a gallon more than it was when I put the Falcon away last fall. Paying $1.41 at the fuel dock. What is the price of fuel down in America??
Capt. Tony

Re: First marlin tournament
Art Schuessler -- 18 May 2000, at 8:36 a.m. EDT

Will#2 You were probably fishing the Beach Haven White Marlin Invitational. We were in it too on a friends boat and had the second place BLUE of 500LBS EST. which we released as well as the 1st day second place White also released . Caught ours Blue in the 50 fathom fingers inside the Spencer Canyon. We will be fishing the tournament again this year(we have won twice in 89 and 98) What is the name of your boat I only recall 2 31's in last years tournament a yellow totally redone FBC and one called Valantine that used to be owned by a friend that is now in Point Pleasant NJ.

Re: spider
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 17 May 2000, at 9:25 p.m. EDT

Will,

Give a call to Just Fishing Consignments in Lake Park, FL. Warren or Sara will be able to fix you up with a used, but good, spider. Phone: (561) 863-3328 Their web site is http://just-fishing.com (Be sure to have the dimensions for your rocket launcher and pedistal diameter)

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: First marlin tournament
Will#2 -- 17 May 2000, at 7:18 p.m. EDT

My first marlin and tuna tournament on my own boat was last summer and we had a marlin that wieghed about 600lbs. on for two and a half hours.At the Lindenkol canyon off LBI, NJ. There were about ten boats that kept on cicling around and saying that we were hooked into everthing from long line gear to giant bluefin. They also were saying that there were some young guys on the boat. I haven't been called young in 25 years. As it turned out the the third place blue marlin release was called in while we were fighting ours. The reason it took so long was because it got tail wrapped in it intial jump and couldn't get out, we released it and hope to fight it again soon.It was a White marlin and tuna tournament.

Tight Lines

spider
Will#2 -- 17 May 2000, at 6:57 p.m. EDT

I have asked this question before but didn't get a strait awnser. I found out what i need is a spider,it attaches my rocket launcher to the 4' pedestal. I would like to find where a good mount can be bought for this so I can use it to troll rather than that big ass chair. ANY Help will be appriciated this has been one of those things left on the back burner for a long time.

Re: Bertram31 Block Island Cruise 2000
Richard A. Miller -- 17 May 2000, at 6:52 p.m. EDT

Supposed to launch tomorrow, one month late. Somehow my marina is always taken by surprise when it rains in the spring.

Re: Diesel owners.........
Richard A. Miller -- 17 May 2000, at 6:50 p.m. EDT

I have found out that diesel fuel varies a lot in quality. Ordinary unbranded diesel has a cetane rating of 41 or so. My Yanmars require a minimum of 45, so I use premium diesel, which has a rating of more than 50 and seems to burn much cleaner - less soot on the transom, less smoke. When I can't buy premium diesel, I use cetane boosters, and that stuff REALLY smells bad.

Possibly your marina has switched to a lower quality fuel because prices are up so much.

Amazing new toy!!!!
Dug -- 17 May 2000, at 4:04 p.m. EDT

Ok, I know I have been moaning all the units that have been flowing through my hands to benefit my boat, but I just got to play with a toy that somehow I am going to have to figure out a way to buy... I have to tell you guys about it!

Image Stabilized Binoculars. Wow...

We get merchandise in house here at Boatscape.com occasionally and that of course means that if I want to I can play with it for a while. I tried out a KVH Datascope the other day. It was ok. But these CANON Image Stabilized Binocs..ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE!!! I have never been able to hold 7X50 binoculars steady enough to be able to see effectively through them, but let me tell you these were 15 times magnification!!!!!!! not 7, and I could read a license plate 2.5 blocks away with no shake!!!! Incredible!!! Check them out if you ever have the chance, I think they are totally worth the expense. I think when the time comes (ie. the bank is full again...) I will get the 12X32 units, to save the extra money, they are both worth the money. I can imagine being out on the Bertram, rocking in a good sea, and looking for birds and fish. These binoculars would make it almost too easy!!!

Check them out! Amazing...

Diesel owners.........
capy -- 17 May 2000, at 12:05 p.m. EDT

I was wondering,

Do any of you notice something different about the quality of diesel fuel lately? I think the sulfur content must be way up or maybe it is the dye that has been added. Whatever it is my exhuast has more odor and my eyes seem to burn a little if I am in the fumes for to long. Is any one else is experiencing this? Another guy at my marina feels it is the dye, as that is when he notices it the most.

regards,

capy

Re: STEERING
Carlos Sucre -- 17 May 2000, at 1:39 a.m. EDT

I installed in 94' in my 31 a 2 component (reservoirLESS) Hynautic steering (upgrade from original mech steer). Is a Series 60 Helm and K-51 cylinder. Excellent result, easy installation, large rudder arch, and like my past boat reservoir type hynautic steering no problems at all.
I agree with the guys. Rudder bearings are cheap and last several years.
Carlos

Re: Bertram31 Block Island Cruise 2000
Dug -- 16 May 2000, at 5:48 p.m. EDT

I figured you would want to head out there!

Is your boat in the water yet? I am not expecting to see mine in until after Memorial Day...

Re: Bertram31 Block Island Cruise 2000
Mike Ohlstein -- 16 May 2000, at 5:04 p.m. EDT

That's my girlfriends birthday. I'm sure she would love a weekend at Block Island.
Count me in.

Re: Bertram31 Block Island Cruise 2000
Richard A. Miller -- 16 May 2000, at 4:52 p.m. EDT

From Fishers Island, a trip to Block and back takes less than an afternoon. You spend almost as much time in the "go slow" zone inside the Great Salt Pond as you do in open water. So, like Dug, I wouldn't need a berth.

Re: Bertram31 Block Island Cruise 2000
Dug -- 16 May 2000, at 2:23 p.m. EDT

Capy,

I am thinking I may jet out there for a day on Alchemy, but will likely not spend the night. I am not totally sure yet. I know you need to make reservations at the marina, but it is only an hour out and an hour back from where I keep my boat, so I might to it that way. I will definitely come out regardless however!!! I will talk it up with as many 31 owners I know who are not contributors, that is for sure! Did you get a response from Richard Miller on Fishers Island? I know of at least two others out there.

Anyway, I am in at least for a day visit. Unless something is not working the way it is supposed to!

Bertram31 Block Island Cruise 2000
capy -- 16 May 2000, at 10:30 a.m. EDT

Hate to post another message, but....

Sometime in march I made post about having a rendezvous at Block Island on August 12 in case anyone is still intrested, I will be there regardless. At one time we had intrest from 5 vessels possibly 7. Folow the link to a great marina.

Regards,

capy

Champlins Marina Block Island

Re: on the other hand
Jeff -- 16 May 2000, at 9:00 a.m. EDT

HARD CORE!!!!!

Re: Models of the Bertram 31
Louis M. -- 16 May 2000, at 8:10 a.m. EDT

Can you send me a pic of the model if it is good i might buy one

Re: on the other hand
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 15 May 2000, at 10:11 p.m. EDT

Right on Uncle Vic!

Yup... I wish I was in your cockpit this weekend. Just finishing the set of air boxes for Joe Zaccarelli and have another set to start next week. It'd be nice to breathe some Gulf Salt air instead of fiberglass dust.

Have a great trip and tag one for me...

Best regards,

Patick

on the other hand
Vic Roy -- 15 May 2000, at 6:18 p.m. EDT

On the other hand, sometimes doo doo turns into flowers. About 15 years ago, my son, the now famous Capt. Brent, and one of his high school buddies were fishing with me at the mouth of the Miss river. First day we found a rip making up about 35 nm offshore, and caught a few bull dolphin and jumped off a big blue marlin just before dark. We were in my old 25 Bertram with the two volvo diesel i/o's. Headed in and just as we are rounding the east jetty at south pass, the port outdrive loses its gears, big time, locking up. Putt-putt the two miles to the lighthouse and into the harbor on my other sinking houseboat and cry about not being able to catch the dream rip we had found tomorrow. After gaining some courage with a "Port Eads Punch" or two, I decide we are going out on one engine, but we have to leave right now. The boys were all for it, so we left at about 10 pm, heading out on the one remaining 4 banger. We made a surprising 6 kts, and by daylight, were on the "dream rip" an hour later, a double hookup on blue marlin; tagged them both, a 500 and a 300. Put up flags. A 150 tuna; then a big wahoo, a few bull dolphin. About 2 pm, a big blue, fought for hours and tagged. Then, about dark, the blue marlin started chasing dolphin all around us. 40 nm from the bank. We stayed until plumb dark chasing them. Headed in about 9 pm, and our speed - now bucking the friendly current of the morning - was down to 5 knts. Made it to the mouth of south pass about 6 am, and the current and tide were running out, so we started going backwards. fuel gague still showing 3/4. Two big sportfishing boats come blasting out the pass and see our flags. Call on the radio: "where you catch 'em?" Lie, Lie, Lie. Send them east. Still can't make any headway against the current. Boys come out of the v berths and want to go fishing, satisfied with promise of sardines. Do a 180, and head back out, now making 7 kts with the current. Find same rip at 36 nm and hook 500 lb marlin in 10 minutes. Then another, then a white marlin. Tag 'em all. Six in two days, and then head for the pass again, this time down to 3 1/2 kts against the Loop Current. Get back to pass at 4 am; boys watched radar and autopilot while Uncle Vic took nap, and found old case of beer in bilge. Still showing quarter tank of diesel. Could have been worse.

Lesson - gotta fish where they live, and must be present to win.

Good News Is - Uncle Vic has his Tahoe loaded to the gills with rods, etc, and leaving at 4 am in the morning to have at the fish for the rest of the week. Wish you were here.

Uncle Vic

Re: STEERING
Dug -- 15 May 2000, at 10:41 a.m. EDT

Craig,

I have the Sea star and like it so far.

As for the bearings, I am in that business as well, via my family business, and just had this conversation with my old college rowing coach because the seat bearings under the sliding seats keep rusting out.

Stainless bearings would be very hard to machine and not worth the expense. You can buy the 4 bold pattern cast mounts with flush mounted precision bearings dirt cheap compared to, and you would have to have the stainless ones custom made. Keep them covered with grease and replace when they get ugly if you are concerned with that. It is the best way to go...

Re: Blasted malfunctions.......
Dug -- 15 May 2000, at 10:29 a.m. EDT

Well, you know, I think I am in good company here. This last thread we have all been contributing to is why we have this site!!!

Capy, wow, what a trip. Vic, another... Here is one of mine from last summer, since it seemed that I would have one every weekend (and that is why I rebuilt motors this past winter...).

I took two friends out fishing after just having the starboard motor tuned up, and the port is running well finally! I have been wrestling with cooling problems all summer, after having the wacking noises (another story, another post...) solved finally, and it is all supposed to be good now. We get out to the race off of Fishers Island, NY, and drop the lines. I am trying to guarantee a few fish so we are jigging...boring, but productive. After a few minutes I decide to check the bilge, and sure enough it pumps green water out of the bilge pump outflow. I grumble...
Then a few minutes later I hear this beeping noise from the electronics and then poof! They are all gone. I decide to head in, since I think that the signs are heading downhill, so we head on in. Just off Race Rock my father comes bombing up in his boat with the house guests from the Midlands of England (central England, never seen water, not boating people) on board with grins from ear to ear. The father and the two children hop from Dads boat to mine (ages 5 and 7) to ride home on my boat. Dad is running faster (he has a 25' Whaler) and moves ahead. All is well except the bilge full of anti-freeze and the electronics being blown out. Running along when all of a sudden there is this horrendous explosion noise from the starboard motor. I whip around and see the wife of my friend one leg over the transom screaming "what the f--k was that!!!" The kids are screaming that we are going to sink, and there is smoke/steam billowing out of the starboard compartment, water and antifreeze pouring out all over the deck. Basically all hell broke loose. Turns out that a brand new spark plug had blown, and hit the engine hatch Karen was sitting on. The motor was shocked by the plug and overheated severely, since she was running around 2800-3000 rpms then nothing. Dad is long gone. Helm chair is broken since I whipped around so fast. So I head in, and, no pun intended am pretty steamed since I just paid for the tune up...

Then I wrap a prop on a lobster pot. Dad tows me in. What a day. Apparently the electronics went out because I installed the radar myself and left a connection less than an 8th of an inch off, and it shorted out, blew out everything, and cost me $300 to fix the radar. Lucky. I don't know how Dockside fixed everything else, did not ask...

We all have those days, just try to keep them to a minimum!! When it rains it pours!

Florida was good this weekend. Two dolphin, a kingfish and a 4' Dusky shark. It was fun! First fish of the season for me!

Re: It just keeps getting better and better!
Dug -- 15 May 2000, at 9:51 a.m. EDT

Yes. Definitely wear a respirator. No question. It will be a very dusty job, that is a yukky dust. That is for sure!

Re: It just keeps getting better and better!
Dug -- 15 May 2000, at 9:49 a.m. EDT

You got it Fred, Misery does like company!

At least I know that Steve St. Angelo will provide you with good teak at a very reasonable price, and your wife will love it when it is done.

D

Re: Blasted malfunctions.......
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 14 May 2000, at 9:56 p.m. EDT

Wouldn't want to get into the contest about screwed up fishing trips - I've had a few, but none that bad. Here's a strange one, however. I had a contract to do an article about wreck fishing for our state parks & wildlife mag. Worked on it through three editor changes, gave them some real good information on inshore wrecks as well as the ones on everybody's charts, and tried to phrase it where non-offshore fishermen could understand. They paid me a month ago, told me last week they needed a bio and mug shot so I could be the featured contributor for that month. Today I get an E-mail that it is cancelled. Said fishing around underwater structure was too obvious to be of interest, and they didn't understand a word of the GPS/LORAN information! I'm sticking to fishing magazines from now on. Good thing I didn't sell them one about 31's! I thought that after I watched their lady editor get #####-faced and paw a married newspaper outdoor columinst at the Outdoor Writer's conference in February that I had a real edge - maybe he's divorced by now? Only a government publication funded by tax dollars could pay for a piece and then not use it. Now I have to sell it again to someone who understands my weird ways!

Re: STEERING
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 14 May 2000, at 12:57 p.m. EDT

Craig,

I prefer mounting in one of the engine compartments outboard of the engine. Bridge mounts are OK, but if you ever spring a fluid leak, or spill some while filling, it'll possibly ruin your head liner. I don't like mounting aft in a bilge area from a corrosion and access stand point.

But the bottom line is that you can mount the reservoir anywhere in the system that is convenient for you... Except for the excessive amount of hose and extra fluid to fill the system, you could even string it into the chain locker.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: STEERING
CRAIG -- 14 May 2000, at 9:34 a.m. EDT

Patrick McCrary, please advise where you have mounted the reservoirs.

Re: STEERING
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 14 May 2000, at 8:09 a.m. EDT

Craig,

The Hynautic system that I've used on several boats in the 30' - 40' class, including 2 31 Berts is the H20 series helm and the K1B cylinder, all linked with the RO5 resevoir. This should all be plumbed with 950 psi 3/8" ID reinforced hose...

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: It just keeps getting better and better!
Sonny -- 14 May 2000, at 3:48 a.m. EDT

Like you guys to know I got very sick last year. I had been working on the boat (75) SANDING AND ALL THAT STUFF.In the hospital they could not figure what was wrong with me. After all the test came back, they found I had mold yeast infection.The thought is, I picked the mold infection up from the boat from the sanding particles and gluesholding the carpet to the V-birth. The mold spore count was 500 times the safe level. Almost killed me, but I know most of you guys are real tough and can take the spores. My advice, X-14 every inch of your boat. P.S. I cleared the whole thing up with the one time pill my girlfriend and wife take!

Re: STEERING
Fred Greis -- 13 May 2000, at 7:36 p.m. EDT

I'm putting in the hynautic steering now. I put a 90 degree fitting on the tank so I can read the gage from the side. I made a 90 degree stainless bracket and mounted it behind the wall in front of the brige helm station, bolted to the fiberglass. It is completly protected from the elements, and bleeding should be easy with the high location. Last year, I put a double hinged access panel directly above the dinette to store the life jackets. If you stand on the forward dinette cussion and stick your head through the hatch, there is a ton of usable space up there. This is for me, the best place to put the tank. Also, I cut an access hole of about 6"x 12" in the FRP (fiberglass) wall for access to the gages and wiring, and finished it with a piece of rubber edge gasket to protect from chaffing your forarms when you need to reach through.Hope this helps. Fred, "Kar-Fre",78'B31,Moriches,NY.

Re: It just keeps getting better and better!
Fred Greis -- 13 May 2000, at 7:19 p.m. EDT

Hey Dug, I think you go by the addage misery loves company. First, Capt. Patrick has me ripping the carpet off the v-berth walls( all because my wife says that the off white shag carpet was in when Elvis was at the top of the charts and if she's gonna sleep up there with me, I have to make some changes). Then, just when I'm about to replace it with some comparitively nice carpet, you've got me releasing all the moths in my wallet for solid teak. This is when I discover some rubber sticking out the back of the stbd. strut(can't believe I missed this in the fall) and as long as we're getting a new cutlass bearing, I might as well have the props reconditioned. I will say that god smilled on me. I removed both props and the strut in 42 minutes. The 9/16" nuts came off with ease. When the strut came off I got a good look at the original gelcoat. Would'nt the rest of the boat look good like that. Check my input on Capy's northest 2000 message. Lets commit soon.-out-

Re: STEERING
CRAIG -- 13 May 2000, at 6:55 p.m. EDT

I currently have seastar system on boat, but would like to change for two reasons--i perfer tank to be hidden and have only shaft coming thru dashboard similiar to the custom helm stations also the aluminium housing under steering wheel and aluminium mounting bracket for the cylinder
are starting to oxidize. I also believe the cylinder only has a stroke of 7-8" while the hynauntic has 9" that extra inch may help steering boat with one engine.

Re: Bertram 31 northeast2000
Fred Greis -- 13 May 2000, at 6:46 p.m. EDT

August 12 sounds great to me and my wife. It would be our first trip to Block. Who is organizing it and how can I help? I'll let the other area B31,s know about it and have them respond to this message location. Get back to us asap with a confirmation. Maybe you should change the title to something like "Block Island Cruise August12" so it's easier to find on the list. This is going to be a lot of fun. Fred, "Kar-Fre" 78'B31 Moriches, NY. -out-

Re: Blasted malfunctions.......
Peter Fallon -- 13 May 2000, at 7:42 a.m. EDT

SONNY;

I HAD FRIEND WITH A 46 BERT WITH JUST FACTORY INSTALLED CHAIR WITH SMALL BACKING PLATE, HOOKED TUNA PULLED THE CHAIR AND DECK ALMOST OUT OF THE COCKPIT. AFTER LOOKING AT THAT MESS I HAD A 3/8" ALUM H FRAME BUILT FOR MY CHAIR IT'S THRU BOLTED TO THE DECK STRINGERS,AND SPANS OVER 5' OF THE COCKPIT SOLE. NEVER HAD ANY PROBLEMS, EVEN WITH A GIANT TOWING MY DEAD ENGINED 31 BACKWARD INTO A 4' SEA FOR 25 MINUTES. THE ANGLER WASN'T HAPPY BUT WE GOT THE FISH 980LBS,IN 2HRS. NEEDLESS TO SAY I MOVED THE BATTERIES FROM THE ORIGINAL BILGE POSTION TO HIGHER GROUND. WHAT'S THE TROLLING RPMS FOR THE PLANE,AND HOW DO YOU KEEP THE SPREADER BARS FROM TANGLING AT 500' UP. TIGHT LINES TO ALL.PS. UNCLE VIC AND I SHOULD WRITE A BOOK ON THE PLEASURES OF OWNING SPORTFISHING BOATS.

PETE

Re: Blasted malfunctions.......
Sonny -- 13 May 2000, at 3:56 a.m. EDT

PETER, THAT WAS A TOUGH TRIP. I HAVE A FRIEND YOU MAY KNOW,GEORGE BREEN, WHO FLYS SPOTTER OUT OF DUCKSBURY. GEORGE TELLS ME THAT SEVERAL YEARS AGO A MAN HOOKED A BIG TUNA ON A FRIENDS BOAT. HE WAS FISHING WITH A PENN 130, AND 180LB. LINE. DRAG WAS SET TOO TIGHT, FISH TOOK MAN, 130 PENN, CHAIR, AND LARGE SECTION OF DECK OVERBOARD. NEVER FOUND HIM, BUT BERTRAM 31S, WITH THE PLYWOOD DECKS BECAME VERY SUSPECT AFTER THAT.SCARED ME SO MUCH BACK THEN THAT I SOLD MY BOAT AND ONLY USED MY AIRPLANE FOR COD SPOTTING.

Re: Blasted malfunctions.......
Vic Roy -- 12 May 2000, at 10:36 p.m. EDT

Peter - you win the f--kup contest for sure. I've got tears in my eys laughing. Santa Fe is burning. Go somewhere else.

Great story.

Vic

Re: Blasted malfunctions.......
Peter Fallon -- 12 May 2000, at 9:49 p.m. EDT

VIC;

HOW ABOUT LOOSING PORT ENGINE 1 MILE FROM NORTHWEST CORNER OF STELLWAGON BANK OFF OF GLOUCESTER,MA.19 MILES FROM HOME,WITH PAYING CHARTER ONBOARD. LIMP TO BANK ON ONE ENGINE, PUT LINES IN WATER,HOOKUP IN 10 MINUTES, LOOSE ESTAMATED 750LB GIANT TUNA. HOOK-UP 1 HOUR LATER LOOSE ESTAMATED 600LB FISH,SAMPO SWIVEL BREAKS. 25 MINUTES LATERHOOK-UP AGAIN. 45 MINUTES OF BACKING AND FILLING ON ONE ENGINE, GAFF FISH IN 4 TO 6 SEAS, HOIST FISH ON GIN POLE, POLE BREAKS. TOW FISH ALONG SIDE FOR 2 HRS AT 5 KTS. WRAP FREE FLOATING LONGLINE IN RUNNING ENGINE, PITCH DARK 60 DEGREE WATER.CALL A FRIEND FOR A TOW WAIT 1 HR FOR HIM TO SHOW UP.UNDER HIS TOW HE WRAPS ANOTHER LONGLINE. BOTH DEAD , CALL FOR COMMERCIAL ASSIST, WAIT 2HRS. GET FISH TO DOCK HOIST BREAKS, DROPPING FISH INTO HARBOR.DIVE OVERBOARD NAKED 10'DOWN. GET FISH,WEIGHT AT DOCK 805 LBS.HIT TUNA MARKET DURING JAPANESE HOLIDAY GET $1.50 PER LB. COSTS ME $ 1500. FOR CONSIGMENT FEE, $1500. FOR TOW AND REPAIRS,CHARTER PARTY PISSED OFF REFUND $400. TO PARTY 2-$200. MANIFOLDS FROM CHRYSLER,AND STILL HAD TO PAY MY MATE. IT DOES GET BETTER AFTER 25 YEARS OF THIS BS BLASTED MALFUNCTIONS IS AN UNDER STATEMENT. PS THE WIFE WANTS TO MOVE TO SANTA FE, NM. MORE UNITS BOAT IS FOR SALE, HELP.

Re: Blasted malfunctions.......
Vic Roy -- 12 May 2000, at 5:15 p.m. EDT

Naw - it can get better. A few years ago me and buddies are trolling for marlin 30 nm offshore and its rough as hell. Blow seal on steering, lose all hyd fluid. Continue to fish, using throttles to steer. Gets late, head for bank. Get rope in wheel. Dive, unwrap rope. Shift cable breaks. Manually shift engine. Get to pass in dark. Spotlight burns out after 5 minues. Radar starts flickering. Depth sounder goes blank. One docking light works. Flashlite is dim. Get in Miss. River, with ships, etc careening about. Decide to drop anchor and have a drink and let things sort out. Beer drinker on bow throws anchor, and shackle pin comes out, lose anchor. Have another drink. Head upriver, and suddenly, after third drink, can see. Game warden tries to flag us down. Outrun him in dark by turning off remaining lights. Arrive back in slip at 2 am. Clean fish. Great day.

Uncle Vic

Re: STEERING
Vic Roy -- 12 May 2000, at 5:07 p.m. EDT

Craig - I have used the SeaStar on three boats and it is very good, and no problems. It does not require a separate tank, or the dreaded bike pump. It consists of a helm unit, which is actually a small hyd. pump operated by the steering wheel (surface mounted), plastic hoses to the hyd. ram, and the ram. You can add autopilot drive or other helms by just plumbing them in. I have installed two of them myself, and its a breeze.

I have never seen s.s. "flange bearings". The "stock" ones are readily available from any industrial supply house, such as Grainger. I coat mine with heavy grease about twice a year, and that's about all you can do. They are preety cheap to buy, and replacing them is no big deal.

Uncle Vic - returned at last from DC

Re: Models of the Bertram 31
Hugh Fast -- 12 May 2000, at 4:59 p.m. EDT

Do you make models of any other Bertram hulls? I would be interested in a model 25' Bahia Mar. Please advise. Thanks

Re: 454 cooling problem
Joe McClure -- 12 May 2000, at 3:11 p.m. EDT

Thanks for the responses. I will continue the process of elimination and respond back when I determine the cause. I believe that a good flush and new high rate engine circ pump will bring it down the extra 10 degrees I am looking for. In the mean time 185 will have to due.

STEERING
CRAIG MCCARVILLE -- 12 May 2000, at 9:50 a.m. EDT

WOULD LIKE TO UPGRADE TO HYNAUTIC STEERING AND WANT TO KNOW WHICH MODEL # TO USE--WHERE RESERVOIR SHOULD BE MOUNTED. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO REPLACE THE RUDDER BEARING( I AM NOT SURE WHAT IT IS CALLED) WHERE THE RUDDER SHAFT PASSES THRU AND IT HAS A GREASE FITTING-- MINE ARE VERY RUSTED DO THE MAKE REPLACEMENTS OUT OF STAINLESS.

Blasted malfunctions.......
capy -- 12 May 2000, at 9:44 a.m. EDT

So the other day,

I am out about 28 Nmi in pea soup, a cooler full of fish, a cooler full of beer, 3 tired anglers and decide to say "it's a day". Pull the anchor and head home at 19 Knts, as I approach the inlet and try to throttle down the starboard comes down to idle, but the port is still up around 2 grand and we go into a starboard turn at around 15 Knts. Damn port cable to the bridge is busted and frayed, So I takes control of the bitch from the lower station. 4 Nmi to the dock in absolute zero visibility and nothing but a compass at my lower station.It's a wonder I didn't hit nothin on the way in, but I did come close to runnin aground outside of the channel. Hey Dug, it does just keep getting better.....a sucessful day of fishing in the northeast.

Regards,

capy

Regards,

capy

Re: 454 cooling problem
Vic Roy -- 12 May 2000, at 7:03 a.m. EDT

Phil - 185 is on the nose.

Gotta head for the airport and home. Fishing next week - I am SOME ready.

Vic

Re: 454 cooling problem
PHIL - BABYLON, N.Y. -- 11 May 2000, at 9:59 p.m. EDT

UNCLE VIC - MY 6BTA'S OPERATE AT 185 @ CRUISE. IN COMPARISON TO YOURS ANY COMMENTS? THIS IS MY FIRST FULL SEASON WITH BOAT. STILL TAKING NOTES. THANKS.

Re: RAY HUNT DESIGN
PHIL - BABYLON, N.Y. -- 11 May 2000, at 9:46 p.m. EDT

GENTLEMEN - THANKS FOR THE INFO.

Re: Models of the Bertram 31
Vic Roy -- 11 May 2000, at 9:34 p.m. EDT

Andrew - thanks for your up front message. I am (somewhat) interested in a model of my 31. "Somewhat" means I would like to see a photo of a 31 that you have done, but I don't want you to go to any expense to show me. The price is a little stiff, but I have always wanted a first class model. You may email me at the office at vlr@rktlaw.com or at home at royvictor@home.com, or call me at the office at 800 260 9908, or at home at 225 927 6258. I will be in the office tomorrow - 5-12 - after about 3 cdt, and at hone this weekend - in office Monday and then fishing the rest of the week, and you can get me on the sinking houseboat at 504 534 7906. If you hear a gurgle, hang up and call the pump trucks.

Look forward to hearing from you.

Vic Roy

Re: RUDDERS
Vic Roy -- 11 May 2000, at 9:15 p.m. EDT

Man, I'm glad to see you guys. Hard day in DC. Taking the 757 out of here in the am and fishing next week. Sonny - where are you when I need you - if you were guiding the 757, you could take me straight to BTR without the Atlanta hassle. Enough of Uncle Vic's exploits in the fast lane. What a joke.

On the subject of fuel economy, I (and my son, the now famous Capt. Brent Roy) - who as his Pop, I proudly give you his new website, for those of you who would like to sample some real fishing: www.venicecharters.com Take a look - you might see Uncle Vic with a marlin in his hand. Did not get my permission for it, but a great pix. You can see I used to have sniews in my arms, before the constant lawyer-dribble sapped my youth.

Back to fuel consumption - I drove the sinking barge - which may weigh 75 tons - for 44 and a half hours at 5 mph (not kts) from its birthplace in Boudreaux's front yard to Venice, La on a grand total of 67 gals of diesel with a 4 cyl White Hercules truck diesel that Bourdreaux had "marinized". Over 5 mpg. Gov. set at 1200 - I think it was an old genset engine. Point being - get to the point, Uncle Vic, that most high cube displacement diesels will do the best fuel mpg at the point just before they start to smoke as wheeled. "hull speed" (fast as you can to without putting it on plane) minus about, in my experience, about 20 percent.

Hope this adds something to the conversation. If it doses not, sue me.

Uncle Vic, going to bed in DC - by the way, the best hotel in the NW (only safe) section of DC is the Madison on the corner of 15th and M. It is managed by the Swiss, and has great service, and is quiet. Put up with no b.s., all staff taught to call you by name, etc. Maids call me Uncle Vic.

Glad to be alive, have a 31, and going home - Uncle Vic

Re: RUDDERS
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 11 May 2000, at 7:31 p.m. EDT

You guys may be right - still think it must have been really calm. Some people in Canada are trying to sell me a 4kw Onan diesel with a 3 cylinder Kubota engine, but it weighs 320 pounds!

Re: RUDDERS
capy -- 11 May 2000, at 11:32 a.m. EDT

Phil is exactly right! I get better Nmi/gal diesel at 2300 than 1100, better still at W.O.T. god bless detroit diesels.

Re: RUDDERS
Phil Pickford -- 11 May 2000, at 9:58 a.m. EDT

Is it not true that "best efficiency" is obtained while on plane with RPMS that equal minimum slip for each boat?

Re: RUDDERS
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 11 May 2000, at 6:14 a.m. EDT

Guys, I talked to a fellow Monday who said he ran a 31 with 210 Perkins from Key West to Cozumel - straight across. Said he only burned 147 gallons of diesel, so I'm assuming a slow trip in calm water - if the story is true!

Models of the Bertram 31
Andrew Burton -- 10 May 2000, at 3:22 p.m. EDT

Greetings. First let me state two things, 1, this is a commercial message and 2, I checked with Patrick McCray and he gave me the go-ahead to post this.
I own Trident Studio, the scale model company.
If anyone is interested in a very accurate half-model of their boat please contact me at 401 846 9505. The models are made of molded epoxy in 1/2" + 1" scale and come painted in your colors and mounted on a varnished cherry backboard. The cost is $380 plus $20 S&H.
I should mention that I am a prospective owner and have already made an offer on a boat.
Andrew Burton

Re: 454 cooling problem
Phil Pickford -- 10 May 2000, at 1:52 p.m. EDT

Joe,
What condition are your exhaust risers and manifolds in? If you have the Merc 454 they are known for internal blockages. You state that the water outflow is good but you may have hot water not being able to escape at the riser elbow. This would elevate engine temps and also leave the manifold hot causing the steam. The merc risers may even look pretty good on exterior and still be plugged internally as the passages are small. You will find a gasket at the elbow andif I am right a whole bunch of rust scale settled at the bottom of the riser. You can remove this part in about 15 minutes -one side will require the power pack to be removed - very easy. If you use an infared temp sensor you can locate local hot spots and help trouble shoot the problem.

Re: 454 cooling problem
capy -- 10 May 2000, at 10:06 a.m. EDT

Joe,

My approach would be to replace ALL hoses, flush system, check for a glazed fan belt on the circulaing pump and finally ceck the timing...to much advance causes over heating. Some times the mechanical advance weights in the distributor get stuck in the advance position from corrosion, due to the marine environment. Hoses should be changed every 5 years or so as preventative maintainance.

capy

Re: 454 cooling problem
Dug -- 10 May 2000, at 9:33 a.m. EDT

Joe,

I think Vic may be right. I read your litany of hoped and failed remedies and I am right there with you! Last summer I was having a world of hurt on both engines due to overheating. (this contributed heavily to the rebuilds on the second set that I have had done...) I changed water pumps, thermostats, cleaned heat exchangers, but was still losing coolant, and could not always figure out where it was going. We were convinced that it was either a bad heat exchanger or a blown head gasket. But I still was getting coolant in the bilge, and no one could figure out where it came from! Turned out I had a hose that when the motor was idling or even revved at the dock it was fine. But when I would head out, under real load, and the motor would heat up, would reveal a split in the hose that would slowly dump coolant into the bilge, empty the motor and reak havoc with my nerves!!! I hate turning on the bilge pumps and seeing green come out the side of the boat!

We replaced the hose, and it still lost coolant so we figured the head gasket had to be gone, so I decided to switch to a different set of motors, but the point is that sometimes these demons come in the form of hoses, and you have tried everything else. I know that you are not leaking coolant, but you are seeing some sort of restriction in the cooling system. It has to be internal to the motor or hose related. I would try replacing hoses, though luck will have it that it will be the last hose you replace...

You will however have all new hoses and a good set of spares at the end!

Re: 454 cooling problem
Vic Roy -- 10 May 2000, at 6:55 a.m. EDT

Had same engines in an old boat. Same problem - turned out water line from seacock to raw water pump had some of the inner lining broken loose and made a flap, like a check valve that would close under suction.

Vic

454 cooling problem
Joe McClure -- 10 May 2000, at 12:09 a.m. EDT

My 454 FWC port egine is over heating ~190 with steam. I cleaned the strainer and risers. Heat exchanger has been rodded and acid dipped. Replaced the raw water pump and 142 thermostat. Flushed impellar pieces from transmission cooler. Raw water flow looks better than starboard flow. When I take the thermostat out the engine runs ~ 160. I exchanged the startboard thermostat that works fine and get the same ~190. The engine pump does not leak and no play. Have I overlooked something? Should I replace the engine pump? Thanks,

RUDDERS
Sonny -- 9 May 2000, at 10:31 p.m. EDT

MY BOATS BEEN OUT OF THE WATER FOR THE LAST FIVE WEEKS BEING IMPROVED WITH AWLGRIP, TEAK AND HOLLY, MY ANTIQUE FIGHTING CHAIR, AND A DGPS RECIEVER( FOR SALE!). CAPT. PAT., I DO NOT HAVE ROOM FOR YOUR COLLECTORS, AS ON THE PORT SIDE THE GEN. IS IN THE WAY, AND THE STB THE WATER PUMPS, BATT. CHARGER, AND EQUALIZERS ARE THERE."BUT"! I HAVE A COMPANY WHO HAS THE TEMPLATE FOR STAINLESS RUDDERS( 316) THAT WORK! MY FRIEND HAS THEM ON HIS BOAT; TURNS ON A DIME, STRAIGHT ON ONE ENGINE. THEY ARE ABOUT $600 FOR THE PAIR IN DROP IN CUT, AND $ 500 PAIR WITH 1" SHAFTS, WHICH NEED NEW TILLERS AND STAB. BERINGS. CALL GENEAL PROPELLOR IN BRADENTON FL., 941-748-1527, ASK FOR WAYNE OR LARRY. i THOUGHT ABOUT GOING INTO BIDNESS AND SELLINGG THESE THINGS FOR $1000 PR., BUT I HEARD ABOUT ALL OF DUGS PROBLEMS, TOOK A LOOK AT MYSELF, AND SAID "NO"! I CAN'T SELL THESE RUDDERS AT A BIG PROFIT, MANY OF MY FRIENDS ARE ON A LOW UNIT BUDGET, HAVE GAS ENGINES THAT ARE EATING THEM ALIVE, WIVES WITH BERTRAM DAGGERS IN THEIR EYES, AND SHORT TUNA TOWERS! YOU COME TO APPRECIAT WHERE YOU ARE IN LIFE. SINCE I MOVED IN WITH UNCLE VICS FRENCH QUATER PENTHOUSE, AND FISHED OFF HIS PRIVATE RIG IN 2000' OF WATER I FINALLY REALIZED IT'S NOT ALL HERE, IT'S OVER THERE. BERTRAM DAGGERS BEWARE, THE STAGE IS SET!

Re: hull#137
Sonny -- 9 May 2000, at 9:45 p.m. EDT

UNC.VIC- I WOULD LIKE YOU TO KNOW THAT I WAS NOT MOVED BY YOUR COMMENT ABOUT THE POLITICS IN LA. MY FATHERS FAVORITE STORY WAS WHEN HE AND HIS FATHER( A GOV. GUY), WERE IN THE GREAT STATE OF LA. IN THE 30S, GRAND POP ON BIDNESS AND A FISHING TRIP, DAD WITH HIM. PART OF GRAMPS VISIT WAS TO ATTEND A SPEECH AND TAKE NOTES ON THE FAMOUS ORATOR, HUEY "CATFISH" LONG. AS I REMEMBER, HIS WORDS TO THE CROWD WERE; " FELLOW LOSIANANS, THE PUPPETS AND BUREAUCRATS IN WASHINGTON ARE TRYING TO SCUTTLE ME AND SAY I STOLE ONE MILLION DOLLARS OF THE LOUSIANA TAX PAYERS MONEY. THAT SHOWS YOU HOW SMART THEY ARE, AND DON'T BELIEVE THEM". "I STOLE TWO MILLION DOLLARS." " I TOOK IT SO THEY COULDN'T".

Re: hull#137
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 9 May 2000, at 9:22 p.m. EDT

Didn't see the news about Gov. Edwards, been down working on my boat all day. Got all the leaks fixed except two little ones around the shaft logs - got some glass work to do there.

Re: hull#137
Vic Roy -- 9 May 2000, at 8:49 p.m. EDT

Mont - welcome to the 31 Bertram owners. You will never regret owing the best boat ever built. Now - how the hell can you get from Chicago to Mickinaw by boat. I did it once by plane, and it was all frozen. How about it, Capt. Tony? You mo' far north than him - how you do it.

Uncle Vic - obviously bored in a hotel room in DC - but did you guys see the news - my former gov. was convicted of extortion. In La. that used to not be a crime. Must be the internet.

Re: First marlin tournament
Vic Roy -- 9 May 2000, at 8:28 p.m. EDT

Good deal, Jeff - Uncle Vic sitting in a hotel rooom in Dc wondering what the f--k I'm doing. I sense Uncle Vic Retires II in the wind.

I'll be pulling those big baits next week.

Uncle Vic

Re: RAY HUNT DESIGN
Richard A. Miller -- 9 May 2000, at 3:11 p.m. EDT

During the late 60s and the 70s, several dozen one-off custom yachts were designed by C. Raymond Hint Assoc. and built in several different high-quality New England yards of either wood or aluminum. These were in the range of 45 to 60 feet; all looked like "scaled up" Bertram 31 hulls with different superstructures. Some were "express" style with a big deckhoue; others were conventional flying bridge sportfishermen. I was once aboard a 45-foot FB sportfisherman made of aluminum and based in Southport, CT. These boats were custom built to very high standards, and I see them often around Newport and the Vineyard. Maybe you saw one of these.

Re: DISCONTINUING SELECTIVE AVAILABILITY
Ric -- 9 May 2000, at 2:40 p.m. EDT

Hey Uncle Vic!

I have never had the pleasure of hunting "coon" at night over dogs,in the land of the sportsman paradise.It appears your nose is close to the ground on this one. Real close!

Re: finally,inthe water at last
Dug -- 9 May 2000, at 9:38 a.m. EDT

Definitely. Keep us posted on how it runs, reliability etc. That may be the option to do when my 440's die. Let's hope that is 15 years in the future...

Re: First marlin tournament
Jeff -- 9 May 2000, at 9:13 a.m. EDT

Uncle Vic, I believe Sam must be a pretty good fisherman. He fished on a friend's immaculate 26 Bertram last year in the St. Simons tournament and won it with either 2 or 3 blues. He fished on a doctor's 43 Viking express this year and they placed fifth, no blues, just meat fish. His chairs are a work of art! On our bargain basement used chair we bought for $850 (either a Pompanette or International, but it looks nearly new). I wrapped the arms with 1/8" black nylon cord to keep metal from metal. Works and looks great! Took nearly 90 feet of the stuff... Sam is working hard to put on a show over Memorial Day weekend, and we can't wait. We didn't want to use up all our luck on the small tournament this past weekend anyway....

Re: finally,inthe water at last
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 9 May 2000, at 8:15 a.m. EDT

I'll pass along all the details as soon as we get into performance testing. If I hadn't had to replace all my old underwater gear, this would have been a pretty easy conversion - the engines fit very well and eveything lined up close the first try. Cost for the basic conversion kit is going to be about $4,500 per engine, and good, low mileage engines are available for $2,500 and up - mine were $3,500. The kit includes marine manifold, heat exchanger/day tank, bellhousing, gear driven raw water pump, and all brackets, etc, to make the swap work. Manifolds and bellhousing on this kit are of aircraft quality aluminum. Everybody in the business whose seen the engines has ben very impressed - including some Cummins marine owners.

Re: finally,inthe water at last
Sonny -- 8 May 2000, at 10:46 p.m. EDT

Capt. Mike- 600lbs. torque, better hang on and really tighten down them struts. Let's hear the results and cost. A lot of guys out there would like to try a good truck conversion. Sonny

Re: finally,inthe water at last
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 8 May 2000, at 10:11 p.m. EDT

I got Black Sheep in the water today, had to pull it back out due to leaks around some bolts that weren't bedded properly around struts and shaft log. Tomorrow I fix those again an splash her I hope for good. Cut the top of the tower off, and it really seems to have cleaned up the looks - I know it will improve ride and performance. My engine guy is bringing wet exhaust elbows this weekend if he gets through machining them in time. He took 2 Dodge Cummins out of sutomatic trucks - 165 hp - put his marine equipment on and put them on a dyno - got 207 hp. Put 250hp plates in the injector pumps of t2o more, got 272hp at 2500 rpm, with 600 ft lbs of torque. Should be hooking up the engine lifelines starting this weekend.

Re: DISCONTINUING SELECTIVE AVAILABILITY
Vic Roy -- 8 May 2000, at 9:42 p.m. EDT

Hummmm - assuming this is a govm't release - which I'm assuming Patrick would not have put up here if it were not - and assuming that the traditional reasoning for SA - keep the bad guys from using it to shoot their missiles down our silos - is not longer valid - then it's a good idea. On the other hand, the litany of benefits listed are overstated. I have used GPS for as long as its been avilable, but alongside loran. the differences are neglibilbe for boaters. Even for aviators. It always has worked within 20 or 30 meters, which is about the same for loran. The DGPS signal, which works on low fereq. like loran, I always thought was a joke - a correction that presumbably the bad guys could not pick up from on high, but those within loran range (same basic freq. - could)

I think "eliminating" SA is a sceme to justify eliminating loran, which would be - in Uncle Vic's view, a security risk for our nation - as our only long range "outside the craft" navigation system would be the GPS constellation, which appears to me to be subject to not working for a varity of reasons. Yes, the planes, ships, etc use the internal nav system, but it has to be set from something every now and then.

I have a natural distrust of a statement that cutting the claimed error from 100 meters to 20 is justifes this kind of "whoosh-damn" procomation.

Has Uncle Vic been around the glue too much, or am I perceiving an end run on the loran system?

Since I'll be out of here at 4 am cdt to where this came from, if you would like me to carry your message, post it. If the gov't official is in the same barroom I'm in tomorrow nite, I'll be sure to tell him or her.

See Ya

Uncle Vic

hull#137
Mont R. Wickham -- 8 May 2000, at 9:39 p.m. EDT

I recently purchased her in Michigan. She was or-iginally bought by a Mr. Mcdonald of Zenith Corp. for his son. Supposedly, there was a famous race it took part in from Chicago to Mackinaw. Has
anyone heard of such a race? If there is any information, please contact me. Thank You!

DISCONTINUING SELECTIVE AVAILABILITY
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 8 May 2000, at 7:30 p.m. EDT

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Monday, May 1, 2000 Contact: Morrie Goodman
(202) 482-4883
Steven Jacques
(202) 482-4470

FACT SHEET
CIVILIAN BENEFITS OF DISCONTINUING SELECTIVE AVAILABILITY
Discontinuing the use of Selective Availability (SA) will improve the predicted accuracy of GPS for civilian users from within 100 meters (about 300 feet) to within 20 meters (about 60 feet). In many cases, real-world users will find the accuracy to be even better. This performance boost will enable GPS to be applied in its most basic form to a variety of civilian activities -- land, sea, air, and space -- where it could not previously.

The increased performance of GPS, which is broadcast free of charge to the entire world, is expected to accelerate its acceptance and use by businesses, governments, and private individuals around the globe. This should lead to increases in productivity, efficiency, safety, scientific knowledge, and quality of life. It should also fuel the continued growth of the global GPS market, currently estimated at over $8 billion, as well as the market for geographic information services in general.

Listed below are several examples of the civilian benefits derived from discontinued use of SA.

Transportation

Car Navigation: Previously, a basic GPS-based car navigation system could drift off course by one or two blocks, leading to erroneous guidance and directions. In areas where multiple highways run in parallel, SA made it difficult to determine which one the car was on. Terminating SA will eliminate such problems, leading to greater consumer confidence in the technology and higher adoption rates. It will also simplify the design of many systems (e.g. eliminate certain map matching software), thereby lowering their retail cost.

Fleet Management: Companies managing fleets of vehicles such as taxicabs, buses, commercial trucks, and rental cars will enjoy increases in efficiency as their ability to track and route individual vehicles improves. This will be especially important in crowded parking lots and railroad yards, where SA previously made it impossible to identify specific vehicles, tractor trailers, or boxcars using GPS alone.

Delivery Services: Message couriers and package and cargo transportation companies will also benefit from better real-time tracking and management of assets. Automakers and other manufacturers operating under the "just-in-time" assembly philosophy will get a better handle on when component shipments will arrive and where they are within the factory grounds.

Aviation: The removal of SA will improve the accuracy of unaugmented GPS receivers. This increased accuracy improves safety by aligning pilots more closely with the runway during instrument approaches, and improving the accuracy of terrain awareness, warning systems and moving map displays that provide situational awareness to the pilot.

Fisheries Enforcement: The U.S. commercial fishing fleet currently relies on the Loran-C Navigation system because of its excellent repeatable accuracy and because it provides greater coverage than the maritime DGPS network. The improved basic GPS will provide commercial fishermen with an even better repeatable accuracy over an unlimited area. In addition, both fisherman and law enforcement agencies will share a common, higher accuracy navigation system, possibly leading to reduced violations of fisheries boundaries, exclusive economic zone issues, customs, etc.

Highway/Waterway Maintenance: For the first time, many state and federal transportation authorities will be able to use basic, unaugmented GPS receivers for highway and waterway maintenance and management, lowering the cost and effort involved with these activities.

Nationwide DGPS: The Department of Transportation is currently fielding the Nationwide Differential GPS (NDGPS) network to improve the accuracy and integrity of GPS for surface and maritime users across the United States to the 1-3 meter range. In addition, 34 countries around the world have already installed DGPS radiobeacon networks, and more are considering the adoption of this navigation standard. The improvement of the basic GPS signal through elimination of SA may allow the NDGPS radio beacons to transmit fewer error corrections and more value-added navigation messages, improving highway, railroad, and waterway safety. The range of individual NDGPS stations is also expected to increase, benefiting mariners farther off shore and opening the possibility of reducing the overall number of stations to be fielded. This flexibility allows for a more cost effective network for the government and the nation. In addition, the complexity of all DGPS systems will be reduced, lowering costs for those who will be using this technology.
Emergency Response

Firefighter/Police/Ambulance Dispatch: Reducing the positioning error from 100 meters to 20 meters or better will make an enormous difference in pinpointing the locations of fires, crime scenes, and accident victims and routing emergency crews to the scene. In such life-threatening situations, every second saved counts.

E-911: The FCC will soon require that all new cellular phones be equipped with location determination technology to facilitate "911" call responses. Removing SA would boost the accuracy of GPS to such a degree that it could become the method of choice for implementing the E-911 requirement. A GPS based solution might be simpler and more economical than alternative techniques such as radio tower triangulation, leading to lower consumer costs.

Search and Rescue: With SA turned off, GPS will become a more powerful and compelling tool in helping rescue teams search for individuals lost at sea, on mountains or ski slopes, in deserts, and in wilderness environments.

Roadside Assistance: Disabled cars equipped with GPS systems such as OnStar will be able to more accurately transmit their location, speeding response times for tow trucks and other services. With SA zeroed, the car's GPS signal will be able to identify which side of the road the car is on -- an extremely important distinction if the local road, or interstate freeway, is divided by a concrete divider.

Emergency Preparedness: Relief agencies such as the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) will be able to use basic, standalone GPS receivers to map out geographical features such as flood plain boundaries, levees, and drainage ditches -- a task that previously required expensive and labor intensive GPS augmentation techniques.
Land

Mineral and Resource Exploration: In many cases, removal of SA will eliminate the need for costly differential correction equipment and services as companies explore remote, uncharted geographic regions for minerals, oil, coal, and other natural resources.

Resource Management: Agencies such as the Bureau of Land Management and the Forest Service will be able to apply basic GPS to the management of wetlands, forests, and other natural resources without the use of costly augmentation systems or, in some cases, tightly controlled, highly burdensome military receivers. This should reduce government costs and increase productivity. Similarly, paper and lumber companies may be able to identify and manage individual trees to using basic GPS.

Wildlife Tracking: Scientists and other individuals seeking to observe and/or tag animals in the wild will have a more powerful positioning and tracking tool at their disposal. This includes zoologists, ecologists, marine biologists, and communities seeking to safeguard themselves from animal threats (e.g., wolves).
Recreation

Hiking, Camping, and Hunting: GPS is already popular among outdoorsmen, but the degraded accuracy has not been good enough to ensure that they will not get lost or lose items (such as game) left behind for later recovery. With 20 meter accuracy or better, hikers, campers, and hunters will be able to navigate their way through unmarked wilderness terrain with greater confidence and safety. And for the first time, users will find that the accuracy of GPS actually exceeds that of the commonly used U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) topographical quad maps.

Boating and Fishing: Recreational boaters without DGPS equipment will enjoy safer, more accurate navigation around sandbars, rocks, and other obstacles. Fishermen will be able to more precisely locate their favorite spot on a lake or river. Lobster fishermen will be able to find and recover their traps more quickly and efficiently.
Space

Satellite Tracking: NASA satellites using GPS receivers will be able to determine their orbit positions more accurately. For example, satellites using GPS Standard Positioning Service signals, orbiting at around 700 kilometer altitude, will be able to go from the present 100 meter level of accuracy for orbit position determination to about 10 meter accuracy in near real time. This will enable improvements in science observations and satellite operations.

Satellite Data Processing: The processing of science data using differential GPS techniques, such as is done in the rapid production of El Niño weather maps, will be accomplished more economically. The increased accuracy of the signals received at NASA's Global GPS Network will allow reduction in the rate of data collection, thus reducing communication costs for data used to generate science results from satellites such as TOPEX/Poseidon.

Future Space Station Operations: Among the many benefits that may be realized by space users of GPS in the future will be simplification of systems supporting critical rendezvous operations and navigation of "Free Fliers" near the International Space Station. The elimination of SA may enable the performance of early satellite rendezvous operations to be greatly simplified and may significantly enhance the performance of relative GPS during close in maneuvering operations.
Timing

Increased Adoption of GPS Time: In addition to position information, the accuracy of the time data broadcast by GPS will improve to within 40 billionths of a second. This improved level of precision may encourage continued adoption of GPS as a preferred means of acquiring Universal Coordinated Time (UTC) and for synchronizing everything from electrical power grids and cellular phone towers to telecommunications networks and the Internet. For example, with higher precision timing, a company can stream more data through a fiber optic cable by tightening the space between data packets. Using GPS to accomplish this is far less costly than maintaining private atomic clock equipment.
Need for Higher Performance

Even with SA turned off, GPS alone will not meet all users needs. For users with higher accuracy, availability, and integrity requirements -- such as commercial airlines, ships navigating within harbors, railroads performing precise train control, precision farmers and miners, and surveyors -- GPS will still need to be augmented locally with high-fidelity error correction systems based on differential GPS (DGPS) technology. The U.S. is also adding two new civilian signals to future GPS satellites to further improve accuracy and reliability on a global basis. But for the many other users listed above, the elimination of SA will enable the most inexpensive, standalone GPS receivers to meet their needs.

Additional information about GPS and the Interagency GPS Executive Board is available online at http://www.igeb.gov

Re: First marlin tournament
Vic Roy -- 8 May 2000, at 6:13 p.m. EDT

Jeff - sounds like ya'll had a good time. I've looked at your area on the sattelite temp webpage and looks interesting, where the gulf stream elbows out off your coast. It's far, but looks like a can't miss when you get there. Next week for me, no matter what.

By the way, tell Sam of Release Marine I said hello - I have one of his big fighting chairs in my boat, and it's a class deal. Rib him about his invention of the heat shrink tubing that you put over your Aftco buts to keep them from scratching. I bought some from him at the Miami show, and they were a diaster - would not fit 80's and did not shrink too good on the smaller stuff. He was a prince about it - traded me a ballyhoo tray for them, which I've never used, but looks good hanging on the dock. He does make a fine chair, tho.

Keep on pulling them big baits, boy. You gotta fish where they live, and you must be present to win.

Uncle Vic

Re: The Coonass is Wet
capy -- 8 May 2000, at 10:29 a.m. EDT

Vic,

If you could put some big ol chompers into a nerd I think you got it about right. Your momma sounds like a wise woman, and the calculus was absolute hell on earth, but, very fascinating at the same time. Don't let thos DC blowhards get away with nothin' those bastards got enough already.

capy

First marlin tournament
Jeff -- 8 May 2000, at 10:04 a.m. EDT

We fished our first marlin tournament in the Cold Duck this past weekend. You fish two out of three days, Thurs, Fri, and Sat. After the first day, we were in third out of a 22 boat field. No bills for us, just tuna, dolphin, and hoo. Too bad they don't pay out prize money at the half way mark! The big boats turned it on Fri and Sat.
Six blues in two days. The winning boat, some close friends, released two on Sat. The tournament was fished out of St. Simons Island, GA. Oh well, we'll get 'em at the Release Marine tournament in Savannah over Memorial Day weekend!
We ranged out a hundred miles on Sat, and blew in at 26-27 knots to make the weigh in by 7PM. Sucked down slightly over 300 gallons of gas. Whew!!! Had 22 gallons left when we hit the dock.
Biggest hoo, 87 lbs, biggest tuna, 61 lbs, biggest dolphin, 51 lbs(for all boats). Georgia has some great blue water fishing, just work getting to them! We had 13 dolphin, two tuna, and one hoo on Thus(filled up a 320 SSI). Pulled big marlin baits on Sat, just boated one bull dolphin. Anyone in shouting distance is welcome to fish the Release Marine tourney. Should be fun. It is to be held out of the Palmer Johnson boatyard in Savannah. They hired 15 girls ($7000)out of Fl to wash your boat after each day of fishing. I'll pay the $1000 entry fee just to supervise the Cold Duck washdown!

Weekend for all!
Dug -- 8 May 2000, at 9:58 a.m. EDT

Well, sounds like we all had an eventfull weekend!

Vic, glad you got it under control.

I waxed, stripped and oiled teak and am now ready to float (except the plug!) when ever the boatyard decides to install the motors. The only hold right now is the fact that it seems that all the bottom paint dust in the whole world that people have been sanding in spring prep mode has landed on my boat, and even softscrub with bleach does not take it off!!! So, I decided to allow the elements to work for the next two weeks, and then compound and wax if need be. But it will be in soon, and that is the best part!!!!

Fish get ready!

finally,inthe water at last
Russ -- 8 May 2000, at 9:34 a.m. EDT

After two months,and a three hundred miles it went in the water saterday.i am still assembling
it theytake everything off the boat to transport by truck. What a fantastic boat goes like hell turns on a dime and turn it in a 40 ft. canel.best boat i have ever been on . the boat yard put signs on every window not to launch untill the plug was installed,they used used duct tape, on tinted windows. it left a sticky residue it came off with wd-40 works great.i rember that some one had a question on that.sorry to hear that uncle vic got flooded out,bin there done that in the no name storm 0f '92. good luck uncle vic. tight lines Russ

Re: The Coonass is Wet
Vic Roy -- 8 May 2000, at 9:16 a.m. EDT

Capt. Tony - glad you got her figured out. Mike - I remember when ya'll had all that rain. This one Fri. nite here was one of those little burst deals that was localized, but man, I poured. got the mess cleaned up and my levee raised.

Capy, is a wolf fish sorta like an engineer fish? I caught one once and instead of gills, it had two of those plastic pocket protectors sticking out of its sides. A little bill that looked sort of like a slide rule. Uncle Vic stared college majoring in engineering, but could not do the math, so I switched to accounting. What threw me off was they kept saying "pie are square", but my momma kept saying - in french - "no, no - pie are round - cornbread are square", so I flunked out.

Law school taught me you don't have to give a striaight answer to 'nothin, so I been ok since.

Well, let me drag my old bones to the office and get ready to go to the city of hot air (DC) for the week. Next week, Uncle Vic gonna go fishing.

See ya.

Re: The Coonass is Back
capy -- 8 May 2000, at 8:04 a.m. EDT

Vic,

When you said you could'nt properly respond to my err, ahh, "observations", I became worried. Thought maybe I hit a nerve some where's down where I should'nt a been aim'in at. I was glad to see you come back and hurl some insults right back.

Wolfish are black, live down deep and have practically no body, they are all mouth.

regards,

capy

Re: The Coonass is Wet
Capt. Tony -- 7 May 2000, at 10:45 p.m. EDT

It has been dry as a chip here in Alaska. sun, sun, and more sun. The Falcon is running great. Got the vibration figured out, it was the newly reconditioned props. Such a deal. pay 300 bucks to get em fixed and they come back worse than they were when I dropped em off. Plus it cost me 150 bucks for the trailer, and a whole days labor pulling a shaft to see if it was bent.'oh well, that was a couple weeks ago. The fishing has been good.
Hope you get dryed out Uncle Vic.
From beautiful Homer Alaska,
Capt.Tony

Re: The Coonass is Back
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 7 May 2000, at 8:58 p.m. EDT

Gonna splash my 31 tomorrow! Cut the top section of the tower loose this evening, but the damn thing must weigh 400 pounds, so we have to lift it off with the travel lift. Need to let the glass work (filling bolt holes, mostly, where we moved the struts) set, so we didn't put it in today like I had hoped to. "Nuther few weeks, it should be running.

Re: The Coonass is Wet
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 7 May 2000, at 8:55 p.m. EDT

In 1979, we got 40+ inches of rain in less than 24 hrs. My house on Chocolate Bayou was on ten foot pilings, and I had 2 feet in the house at the highest point. Had a 4wd truck in the yard, and for 3 days all I could see was the spare tire chained to the pipe rack floating. No access ecept by boat, and when the water went down, none at all, since my truck drowned! I flinched every time it rained for several years!

Stay dry, Vic.

The Coonass is Wet
Vic Roy -- 5 May 2000, at 10:02 p.m. EDT

Guys, Uncle Vic has been flooded. It has rained almost 3 inches in the last hour and a half, and my workshop is like a river. I put the computer up on the bench, and started with the wet/dry vac, but had to finally open the overhead door and just let it run. Sat on my stool and just watched it run by. S--t. One of my wife's cats was sitting on the table saw and you should have seen his eyes. He looked at me, and I looked at him, and we both just looked at each other, and said, "sit it out". Did not get in the house, tho. The little bayou behind the house rose 5 feet in 30 minutes. I had built a little levee back there, but the water topped it. tomorrow Uncle Vic is gonna become a bricklayer and build a wall by the bayou. You cannot beleive how fast the g.d. water came up. Plus the power was off for a while, and I had to crank up the big diesel genset, for the second time today. Made the old lady behind us happy, I'm sure.

Not a dull moment.

Uncle Vic

Re: The Coonass is Back
Vic Roy -- 5 May 2000, at 8:02 p.m. EDT

Capy - two things:

A. how I been beaten? - if you mean by the Southern Women, I plead guilty. In fact, I spent most of the week on the left coast, where you slick yankees sent the two-baggers - dealing with yankee lawyer-women, and they deserve distance. At one point, I was thinking, if I was married to this bitch, one of us would be dead, and then we'd figure out who's the smartest.

B. the Wolf fish similar to the Lawyerfish?

All of this is intended in the spirit of trying to elevate you poor you-know-whats to just do like Sonny, Capt. Mike, capt. Tony, etc, and just f---ing break and run to the low pressure.

Uncle Vic's advice, and you know who you ARE! Do you have the guts to break and run?

Re: hull numbering
Luis Ramos -- 5 May 2000, at 6:39 p.m. EDT

I have a number 313-897 and its a Express and so I believe could be 31 ft - and the next 3 for express and hull nr #897 ?My Bertram is from 1969.
I think this is the answer for me, tanks, until I read new ideas.

Re: Curved plexiglass/lexan window replacement
Vic Roy -- 5 May 2000, at 12:11 p.m. EDT

Thanks, guys. I'll try some, that is if I ever get to see my damn boat again - off to DC next week for more lawyer dribble. The units are piling up, but if I don't have time to use the boat, nothing will break and require a Unit Infusion.

Doo-Doo happens.

Uncle Vic

Re: Radar Arch
Bill M. -- 5 May 2000, at 10:09 a.m. EDT

Thanks for the comments.I finaly rememberd where I had seen some discusion on this subject,almost at the end of yacht forum.Someone may need it for future ref..

Thanks again,Bill M

Re: Radar Arch
Dug -- 5 May 2000, at 9:22 a.m. EDT

When I put my radar up, my dealer said it did not have to be absolutely perfect. I actually shimmed it with a white cedar siding shingle. I gooped the hell out of it with lifecaulk and that keeps it relatively dry. I think you only need it propped up like 1/4" or so. Depending on the model of radar, since some have wider beam width than others. I hope that helps, but by no means am I a 100% professionally qualified radar and electronics installer. On the other hand, it all works...

Dug

Re: Curved plexiglass/lexan window replacement
Dug -- 5 May 2000, at 9:10 a.m. EDT

Vic,

I use a stuff called "Plexus" on my enclosure plastic, I think it can be gotten here at Boatscape.com (I bought it before I worked here last summer!), and it works great! It has kept the scratches well at bay...

D

Re: The Coonass is Back
Dug -- 5 May 2000, at 9:04 a.m. EDT

I won't offer to take her codfishing...

Heck, we have no cod in CT!

Re: The Coonass is Back
Dug -- 5 May 2000, at 9:04 a.m. EDT

Glad you made it home safely. Your waves sound awefully enticing! And the women? Wow, that is not all bad. Know any single ones mid 20's-mid 30's?...

Re: Curved plexiglass/lexan window replacement
capy -- 5 May 2000, at 8:48 a.m. EDT

Vic,

I don't think it would be good choice as you said it is a soft vinyl. West sells some crap for vinyl that works great, a friend with B33 used it on his beat up enclosure and they turned out fantastic. The stuff I talked about is called Novus #1+2, the stuff for clear viyl curtains was from marykate in an aerosol can.

regards,

capy

Re: The Coonass is Back
capy -- 5 May 2000, at 8:31 a.m. EDT

vic,

good to see you have'nt lost your fight'n spirit, it's a shame when a southern man has to admit he's been beaten. I went out last night after work about a mile from the inlet and caught a 22lb cod in about ten minutes. One decent meal can be had from these slimey, ugly and repulsive fish.

By the way, how many points would you give for a 15 lb wolf fish on 130 lb tackle? If you never seen one of the these bottom feeders, I will try to send picture.looks just like the nasty in that movie "aliens" tastes just like scallops.

Regards,

capy

Re: Radar Arch
Vic Roy -- 5 May 2000, at 7:58 a.m. EDT

Bill - read the manual. The vertical tolerance should be shown, i.e. degrees plus and minus from horizonal. I've seen folks set the angle of the arch to please the eye, and then shim the radar antenna to the correct angle. It is not as critical as most think. Mine is on the roof of my half tower and looks horizonal at rest, but works fine at speed. I think most radars will work fine with a 10 degree angle, but the 31 does not run with that much.

Uncle Vic

Re: Curved plexiglass/lexan window replacement
chuck k -- 5 May 2000, at 7:01 a.m. EDT

DUG
LEXAN HAS A U.V PROTECTED MATERIAL.I USED IT 4 YEARS AGO ON A JOB.I SAW IT 3 MONTH AGO AND IT STILL LOOKED LIKE NEW.I STILL HAVE SOME AT MY SHOP IF YOU WANT ANY INFO ON IT.IT HAS A PROTECTIVE COATING ON ONE SIDE WHICH MUST BE ON OUTSIDE.LEXAN WARRANTIES IT FOR 5 YEARS(FREE REPLACEMENT).THE ONLY DOWN FALL IS THEY SAY IT CAN SCRATCH ON THE TREATED SIDE.I PUT IT ON TWO COMMERIAL BOATS LAST YEAR AND THEY BOTH ARE VERY HAPPY.CHUCK

Re: Radar Arch
Bill M. -- 4 May 2000, at 6:43 p.m. EDT

Come on guys,somebody must know about mounting radars.What is the right angle at rest to do it?I want to weld this sucker up this weekend.

help,Bill M

Re: RAY HUNT DESIGN
Sonny -- 4 May 2000, at 6:34 p.m. EDT

DUG- WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE GULF OF MEXICO. i GREW UP IN THE TAMPA BAY AREA,LIVED IN MIA-FT.LAUD FOR SIX YEARS. THE ATLANTIC IS THE ATLANTIC AND CAN GET VERY ROUGH. THE THING ABOUT THE GULF IS A 10 FOOT SEA IS 10 FEET STRAIGHT UP AND DOWN, WITH A 20 FOOT SPACE BETWEEN THE NEXT ONE. THE ATLANTIC USUALLY HAS TWICE THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE ROLLERS. THIS IS DUE TO THE WAY THE CONTINETAL SHELF DROPS FROM VERY SHALLOW (300') TO VERY DEEP ( SEVERAL THOUSAND FEET IN A FEW MILES). THE SHELF AVERAGES 100 MILES AND BUTTS RIGHT AGAINST THE LOOP CURRENT, WHICH FEEDS THE ATLANTIC GULF STREAM ( THAT'S WHY THEY CALL IT THE GULF STREAM). THAT DEEP HOT WATER REALLY COOKS WHEN IT STARTS PUSHING AGAINST THE SHELF WATERS. INTERESTING, OTHER THAN HURRICANES SOME OF OUR WORSE GULF SEAS OCCUR WHEN THE BERMUDA HIGH MOVES WEST TO THE EAST FLA. COAST. 50 MILES OFFSHORE WINDS CAN GO FROM 10KTS. TO 60KTS., AND IT'S CLEAR AS A BELL. EVERY YEAR A DOZEN COMMERCIAL BOATS GET SUNK FROM THIS WEATHER PHENOMENON. I JUST READ UNCLE VICS LATEST. HE LIVES IN A DIFFERENT PART OF THE GULF THAN I DO, AND THAT PART HE SAID ABOUT THE GENTLE WAVES AND SOFT SAND BEACHES. WELL, THATS BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE DOWN THERE HAVE LOST ALL THEIR SENSES FROM THE SPICES THEY EAT, AND DON'T WEAR SHOES SO THE SAND FEELS REALLY GOOD, COMPAIRED TO THE HIGHWAY!

Re: rudders
Luis Ramos -- 4 May 2000, at 5:53 p.m. EDT

I made about 45 miles with only one engine and it runs very well.The major problem is only to start moving because she try to go to the opposite side of the running motor. After that when you start moving its quit simple and no problems arrive.
Later I install a kind of brake to use on the shaft of the motor that don't runs because my gear box is hidraulic and moving without oil circulation could damage the gear. As you know even with the motor stoped the propeler moves with the water. It was very nice to see that we arrive to the harbour with no more problems

Re: Curved plexiglass/lexan window replacement
Vic Roy -- 4 May 2000, at 5:41 p.m. EDT

Capy - you think that goop would work to polish out scratches in the clear vinyl on my flybridge enclose? My new set is still o.k., but that flexible stuff is pretty soft and just rolling it up and down, with the straps and such holding it, causes some fine scratching.

Uncle Vic

Re: Bertram 31 Express Cruiser
Luis Ramos -- 4 May 2000, at 5:37 p.m. EDT

Dug my boat is from 1969.Thanks

The Coonass is Back
Vic Roy -- 4 May 2000, at 5:25 p.m. EDT

Yep, survived it again. Could not properly respond to the insults hurled by the yankees while I was on the road. Can't type on a laptop, and that late at nite, can't type too good, period. Capt. Mike is right. We do have waves in the Gulf. They are different from the yankee waves. Our waves are gentle, smooth - in Capt. Somebodyfromalaska's word's, smooth as a licked t-t. Our waves are warm. Our waves are always on your stern. Our waves are blue. And, our waves contain no g.d. CODFISH! Our waves break softly on white beaches. Our waves wash southern women who know haow to treat real men with due respect. Our waves break on a pace of life that is slower, more genteel, and more pleasant that the g.d. yankee waves.

Capt. Mike - let's set up a fishing rodeo with the yankees, with the proper security, and show them what's it is all about. Let's see a 9 lb. cod on 130 lb. tackle is worth how many points?

All the above is intended in the spirit of good fun, you yankee c--ks--k-ers.

Uncle Vic, at home at last

Re: RAY HUNT DESIGN
Dug -- 4 May 2000, at 5:23 p.m. EDT

I am from the northeast and will attest to a day in March of last year I saw off of Miami where I would not have wanted to be on the water. It was really bumpy. I will say that where I live on Long Island Sound it is more consistently rough I think than down off of Florida, but ocean is ocean and it can suck where ever you are!

I am very accustomed to "the race" were I can find you 10' standing walls of water often enough...that is bumpy. I do not however want to get into a pissing contest, as I know it can be rough anywhere when the wind blows...

Re: Capy, question about: Curved window replacemen
capy -- 4 May 2000, at 1:50 p.m. EDT

Dug,

Try goo gone, amazing stuff for removing stickum. Another is goof off, but be careful with this one, it has powerful fumes. I had a friend put a 130 penn international in the cabin, and the guy let the rod tip rest against one of the acrylic windows....35 Nm later, at 21 Knots, I had a HUGE gouge about 7 inches long right in the middle of the window! 25 minutes of elbow grease with that polishing goop, and you would not be able to find the area unless I showed you where to look. I now polish them once a season, saltwater and spray beads right up and rolls away just like glass treated with rain-x....no B31 should be without a bottle on board!

regards,

capy

Re: RAY HUNT DESIGN
Sonny -- 4 May 2000, at 1:38 p.m. EDT

CAPT. MIKE, NO, THAT WASN'T ME LIVING ON THE 31 IN MIAMI. I DID LIVE ON A 46' CUSTOM FOR 8 YEARS (SHE GOT THE HOUSE, I GOT THE BOAT DEALS)LOVED IT, BUT DIDN'T THINK I WOULD LIVE PAST 49 AS I KEPT GETTING OLDER, AND THE WOMEN KEPT GETTING YOUNGER! IT ALL CAME TO AN END ONE DAY WHEN I LOOKED IN THE MIRROR AN THOUGHT " GEE,I REALLY DO LOOK LIKE HER FATHER!" I DON'T DOUBT A PILOT LIVING ON A 31. WE HAD A GUY IN MIAMI ONCE WHOSE WINTER HOME WAS A 12' TRAILER IN THE EMPLOYEE PARKING LOT. THAT'S WHERE PILOTS GET THE "CHEAP" REP. FROM. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE EATS FOR BREAKFAST, BUT WE OUGHT TO INVITE MR. GULF NOT ROUGH DOWN TO FISH WITH US IN JAN. AND FEB. OR POKE THROUGH THE RUNNING HOME EVERYDAY THUNDER STORMS DURING THE SUMMER.

Anyone fish in the Lauderdale or Miami area?
Dug -- 4 May 2000, at 9:16 a.m. EDT

If you don't charter, is there anyone who wants to go fishing in that area that weekend (May 12-14, sometime during the weekend)?

Re: Capy, question about: Curved window replacemen
Dug -- 4 May 2000, at 9:08 a.m. EDT

No problem Bill! I am having the same problem. the film comes off with significant effort and then I am left with that nice sticky crappy looking film... At least it is not purple!!!

Give David a call, find out how quickly he can make the windows, and let me know when you do!

Thanks,

Dug

Re: Bertram 31 Express Cruiser
Peter Fallon -- 4 May 2000, at 7:47 a.m. EDT

LUIS;

LOOK UNDER THE PORT SIDE V-BERTH THERE SHOULD BE A GLASSED OVER PAPER STICKER WITH THE HULL# AND DATE OF BIRTH IT'S JUST BELOW THE WOOD FRAMING FOR V-BERTH CUSHIONS.ALSO CHECK THE BOTTOMS OF DINETTE CUSHIONS MINE HAD THE # THERE,ANOTHER PLACE I FOUND HULL# WAS ON THE BACK OF THE PANEL THAT COVERS THE HELM AND WIRING IN THE STAND UP HEAD CONPARTMENT.

PETE

Re: Curved plexiglass/lexan window replacement
Peter Fallon -- 4 May 2000, at 7:28 a.m. EDT

DUG;

I had my windows done by multifab back in 1995, the price then was $800.00 (inflation factor).david was great to work with and the four panels fit perfect. the biggest job was removing the old screws and t-bolts. new t-bolts can be found at any large plumbing supply house, either in brass or stainless.see finished results in the new listing page for VIZCZYA 1961 express. it's well worth it. the crazing seems to be a factor of age and the working of the house and deck joints.good luck this summer if it ever gets to new england. pete

pete

Re: Capy, question about: Curved window replacemen
Bill M. -- 4 May 2000, at 6:12 a.m. EDT

Dug,

A couple of things;I have also tried to remove tinting from the wraparound windows without success.The outer layer comes off but the stickum is a bear.

I want to have new tinted curved windows made.Probably will crate up the old ones and bring them to New York in june.So far it sounds like a trip to Boston will be on my schedule.

When I get the new ones,the old ones will be available to any one who needs them.Its crazy but one is 1/4in.thick and the other 5/16's or3/8.

The price sounds good,I have been quoted more.

Now to decide what material.

Thanks,Bill M

Re: Radar Arch
Bill M. -- 4 May 2000, at 5:52 a.m. EDT

Capy,

Sorry,I didn't explain very well.The arch is raked towards the stern.The 5deg.incline forward is the radar mounting plate.The idea being to keep the antenna at optimum angle at slower cruising speeds,or lets say at speeds appropriate to conditions when you most need the radar.

Thanks,Bill M

Re: RAY HUNT DESIGN
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 3 May 2000, at 10:50 p.m. EDT

Sonny, ever live aboard your boat? There was a retired airline pilot at our marina in Freeport for awhile - Richard something - had a 58 Hatteras yacht fisherman at the time, and he was telling someone about my 31. He said he used to have a pilot buddy in Miami that lived aboard his 31 - wouldn't live anywhere else.

Re: Time to set the coonass fishermen? straight...
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 3 May 2000, at 10:47 p.m. EDT

No waves in the Gulf???? Vic, set them straight on this one!

Re: Detroit Diesel 4-53N's
Vince Luciani -- 3 May 2000, at 7:29 p.m. EDT

Chris,

I got a manual for the DD 53 Series engines from Johnson & Towers (located in Maryland). They have a website (johnsontowers.com). You may be able to order it directly from them. The cost was about $80 and fills 2 three-ring binders. It is a complete shop manual and is very comprehensive.

Detroit Diesel 4-53N's
Chris Wilson -- 3 May 2000, at 6:07 p.m. EDT

Does anyone have an old manual for these engines. Perhaps still lying around after re-powering?

My old manual was a valuable resource until it fell overboard.

Detroit Diesel mailed me a replacement but it is the modern edition and was not as comprehensive as it applied to the entire DD range and was more a user guide than the full original manual.

If so, please mail to me at PO Box 2783, Clareinch, 7740, South Africa and I will gladly reimburse postage.

PS - a xerox copy will do and I will reimburse copying costs as well.

Thanks in advance

Chris

Re: Bertram 31 Express Cruiser
Dug -- 3 May 2000, at 4:42 p.m. EDT

What year is your boat?

Dug

Anyone charter in the Lauderdale or Miami area?
Dug -- 3 May 2000, at 4:20 p.m. EDT

Hi all!

I am going to be lucky enough to be heading down to the Ft. Lauderdale/Miami area with a girl for the weekend of the 12th through the 14th, and am interested in finding a reasonable charter for a 1/2 or full day (depending on price...). Anyone down there able to help me out? I am not looking to go crazy (especially since the girl is a novice at fishing) but some mahi, wahoo, tuna etc. whatever is available.

Any ideas? I can hook you up equal if you ever come to New England!

Dug

Re: Bertram 31 Express Cruiser
Luis Ramos -- 3 May 2000, at 4:19 p.m. EDT

I have a sheet with a hull nr. 313-897
How can I know if this is the hull number? By the way I have the original "YOUR BERTRAM OWNER'S MANUAL" with the original description of my Bertram.

Capy, question about: Curved window replacement
Dug -- 3 May 2000, at 4:17 p.m. EDT

My problem is that one of the previous owners of my boat tinted the windows, and the tinting film turned purple and bubbled. I was able to scrape it off of all the windows but the two plastic ones. Capy, do you think if I peel off the film with a light heatgun, that it would polish up clear and clean without a herculean effort? It leaves a sticky finish. Otherwise the windows are fine, not crazed, cracked at all. Just ugly, and that is why I have not changed them yet.

Dug

Re: Radar Arch
capy -- 3 May 2000, at 4:03 p.m. EDT

My guess is the arch will be perendicular to the water when at speed as the bow raises a similar amount. Personally, I would rake it back towards the stern to follow the lines....

Re: Curved plexiglass/lexan window replacement
capy -- 3 May 2000, at 3:58 p.m. EDT

I don't believe so, because a non stressed piece will show similar crazing after equal exposure....

Re: Curved plexiglass/lexan window replacement
Bill M. -- 3 May 2000, at 2:17 p.m. EDT

Capy,

Any chance the crazing is related to cold bending?

Bill M

Re: Curved plexiglass/lexan window replacement
capy -- 3 May 2000, at 12:50 p.m. EDT

Dug,

I know of at least ten replacements that were done with polycarbonate(lexan) and they used flat stock without bending, heating etc. The frames are strong enough to form the curves and the polycarbonate won't crack from these radii. A downside to polycarbonate is a tendency to craze with exposure to sunlight after some time. Acrylic(plexi-glass) was the original material and it has much better aging properties, it needs to beheated and bent, it does'nt craze, but it is softer and scratches easier than polycarbonate. A plastic polish is available to remove all but the heaviest gouges from both materials, check out cadillac plastic in worburn ma. My 40 yearold windows are original acrylic, and look brand new thanks to the above product.

regards,

capy

Curved plexiglass/lexan window replacement
Dug -- 3 May 2000, at 11:06 a.m. EDT

Hi all,

Yesterday I spoke with an organization called Multifab Plastics here in Boston that specializes in molding lexan and plexiglass for boat windshields. It just so happens that they have a mold made up and ready to go to bend replacement windows for our beloved Bertram 31!!! I spoke with a gentleman named David, who said they could do them fairly easily, and all they needed was the old window that was going to be replaced and they could make an exact replica. I was pleasantly surprised, as I had not been looking for a place to do this, a friend of mine found them on the internet and referred me to them.

They can be found on the web at www.multifab.com,
called at the following number: 888-293-5754, or emailed at info@multifab.com.

The windows cost $275 each, but I don't have anything to compare that to, so I don't know whether that is fair. All I do know is that finding a place to make replacement windows is not easy!! I will likely do this during this coming winter or next year, as my windows are fine, they just look like hell!

Hope this is a good source for all of us!

Dug

Spring prep ongoing!
Dug -- 3 May 2000, at 9:50 a.m. EDT

Well, the hull got buffed out on Alchemy on Sunday, and I was able to grab a bit of time to do the bootstripe over last night. I am damned proud of myself since I taped, sanded, acetone wiped, and painted all within 1 hour and 30 minutes!!!! And it looked great!

Sunday to wax the hull and in the words of the boatyard mechnic, the rest is all in his hands (yup the motors still need to go in...) So all I need to do is clean and oil the swim platform (I know, but many people swim off this boat while not fishing...it comes in really handy...) and then get to work with the leisure cleaning, and polishing of the rest of the boat. It looks like it will be a couple more weeks before she hits the water, so I will have time to use other peoples boats and not be responsible for the bills!!!

In other words, all is good...

Re: Time to set the coonass fishermen? straight...
capy -- 3 May 2000, at 8:23 a.m. EDT

Vic,

Try not to view my "observations" as insults, but more as "enlightening criticism".

Cod towers.......jeeezzeeeee

capy

Re: Time to set the coonass fishermen? straight...
RUSS -- 3 May 2000, at 7:41 a.m. EDT

capy, rember that uncle vic fishes in the gulf(no waves) we who fish the big ocean would rock and roll to much.two webs sites to pass along www.yachtsurvey.com http://marine.rutgers.edu/mrs/ good info on both.my b31 will be here friday and running it around on the weekend. tight lines russ

Radar Arch
Bill M. -- 3 May 2000, at 5:05 a.m. EDT

The wife quit rocking the boat and I ran out of vodka so we decided to fabricate a S.S. radar arch.The two main frames are tacked up along with the inner reenforceing tube and mounted on the cabin roof.The roof is off the boat and soported level.----I have decided to mount the radar base, inclined,5deg.forward relative to the level cabin roof.

PLEASE-Any comments before I weld it out!

Bill M

Re: Time to set the coonass fishermen? straight...
Vic Roy -- 3 May 2000, at 2:18 a.m. EDT

Well, my long day in San Diego protecting your bank deposits was rewarded with insults to Uncle Vic distain of using 31 Bertrams to fish for cod. I have carefully considered your remarks, and even passed them by my shusi chef at the place I eat cut bait. He says anyone that eats codfish is a "tarikkichi". You know who you are.

Uncle Vic

Re: RAY HUNT DESIGN
Sonny -- 2 May 2000, at 10:30 p.m. EDT

PHIL- BERTRAM MADE A BOAT OF THAT SIZE IN THE 70S CALLED "BERTRAM INTERNATIONAL". I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE WOOD OR GLASS, BUT THINK THEY WERE GLASS. SAW ONE THAT WAS 63'AND THOUGHT IT WAS UGLY AS THEY KEPT THE GUNNEL RAKE WITH LITTLE DROP FROM BOW TO STERN. KINDA LOOKED LIKE A BERTRAM WITH A BOX FOR A HULL. SONNY

Re: Passing of Mr. Bertram
PHIL - BABYLON, N.Y. -- 2 May 2000, at 9:55 p.m. EDT

I RECALL FROM SOME YEARS AGO THE SALES PITCH "THE SUN NEVER SETS ON THE BERTRAM EMPIRE". MUST HAVE MADE HIM PROUD TO HAVE CREATED SUCH A LEGEND. SMOOTH SAILING MR RICHARD BERTRAM.

Re: Time to set the coonass fishermen? straight...
PHIL - BABYLON, N.Y. -- 2 May 2000, at 9:48 p.m. EDT

CAPY - HERE ON LONG ISLAND CODFISH AND THE HEARTY SOULS WHO FISH FOR THEM ARE PRACTICALLY EXTINCT. AS TABLE FARE GOES, THE TASTE OF FRESH COD IS HARD TO BEAT. ENJOY YOUR FISHERY AND KEEP YOUR SENSE OF HUMOR!

Re: RAY HUNT DESIGN
PHIL - BABYLON, N.Y. -- 2 May 2000, at 9:34 p.m. EDT

CAPT MIKE HOLMES - THIS HULL IS PLANKED WITH LIFTING STRAKES OVER THE SMOOTH SURFACE. BOAT IS LOCATED IN HAMPTON BAY, LONG ISLAND AND APPEARS TO BE IN FINE CONDITION. THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT.

Re: Time to set the coonass fishermen? straight...
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 2 May 2000, at 6:32 p.m. EDT

Capy, I realize you were mostly speaking in jest, but I agree on the taste of cod, Of course, it wouldn't have been such a valuable resource all through history if it didn't taste good! Partial to red snapper myself, but I'll gladly partake of "game" fish such as wahoo and dolphin when the opportunity arises. By the way, I'm cutting the top off my tower (leaving that other appendage you mentioned as is, of course!)before I go back in the water!

Re: Time to set the coonass fishermen? straight...
Sonny -- 2 May 2000, at 1:57 p.m. EDT

UNCLE VIC, DID YOU SEE WHAT CAPY SAID ABOUT THAT OVER-SIZE TOWER YOU HAVE?

Time to set the coonass fishermen? straight.......
capy -- 2 May 2000, at 11:34 a.m. EDT

Gentlemen,

If you don't know that the northeast atlantic cod is the most delectible fish in the world, then it might be time to stop calling yourselves fishermen. Here in new england we have opportunities to fish for sport and for food. I have no opportunity for marlin in my region and have to settle(damn) for giant buefin tuna for my sportfishing adventures some time around july. Until then we catch food fish and smaller game fish(stripers and bluefish). While I love to fish for sport, game fish are just that, GAMEY!!!! and taste like something from the bottom of the chum bucket. I know fishing for cod is'nt as glamorous as marlin, but just try and serve some and look at the response you'll get, kinda the same as when you eat bilge-fed mackeral or some kinda spiney blowfish! And, another thing, most towers of any kind(marlin, tuna,...or cod)adversely affect a vessel's performance and only guys with tower/penis envy have them. Up here, most tuna fishermen have no use for towers as the water is too dark anyhow. Why don't you guy's get spotter aircraft like we do, if you can't see your quarry and spend some real money ya freakin rednecks!!!!

Re: Passing of Mr. Bertram
capy -- 2 May 2000, at 11:13 a.m. EDT

Amen.

Re: RAY HUNT DESIGN
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 1 May 2000, at 11:01 p.m. EDT

There is a plywood hull in Freeport - over 60 feet - which claims to be a Bertram International, built in Japan under license to Bertram. We have a 65 foot Bertram Internationla - glass hull - in our marina, and the lines of the wood boat are very simi;ar. I don't know if it's an express, more of a raised bridge design. The glass boat has a wood house, and the owner told me all of these were built with poor quality insulation, and most - including his - rotted from the inside out.

Passing of Mr. Bertram
Vic Roy -- 1 May 2000, at 10:42 p.m. EDT

A humbling moment. The things the guy did were terrific. I met the man many years ago, and he treated me like I had the money to buy one of his boats, which both of us knew I did not.

Thank you, Dick Bertram.

Uncle Vic

RAY HUNT DESIGN
PHIL - BABYLON, N.Y. -- 1 May 2000, at 9:56 p.m. EDT

CAME ACROSS A "WOOD" EXPRESS CRUISER APPROX 50FT WITH "RAY HUNT" DEEP VEE & FULL RUNNING STRAKES (VERY SIMILAR TO B31). REALLY BEAUTIFULL LINES. APPEARS TO BE 1970 VINTAGE. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CLUES WHO MADE THIS VESSEL?

Re: It just keeps getting better and better!
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 1 May 2000, at 6:35 p.m. EDT

Vic, since I missed getting the boat ready for the opening of snapper season on April 21, I tell everyone I'm not spending all this time and money to go snapper fishing! Truth is, I like to do a little prospecting for "red gold", and Freeport, Texas, has some of the best snapper fishing in the world. Our marlin are pretty far out, but within reach of a good 31. Last weekend I got the shaft logs faired in, put a final coat of paint on the hull, put zincs on the shafts, and installed thru-hulls for the future gen-set and an aft live well. Visited with my marina landlord while they cleaned a bunch of tuna, ling, amberjack, snapper and grouper, Wacthed the TV in the salon cycle behind showing the various parts of the boat. It's a 72 foot custom Halter, and he has closed circuit TV cameras (color) aimed at the salon, cockpit, both engines, (and I suspect, some of the state rooms). He uses four remote control units with 50 ft cords to run the boat - doesn't even have controls on the cod tower (I think the altitude up there freezes them up!). It's a floating palace, but it's no Bertram 31!

I know everyone hated to hear about Dick Bertram as much as I did. We owe him a lot. Didn't know he had ten kids, though.

The obituary from the Miami Herald
Dug -- 1 May 2000, at 5:40 p.m. EDT

Published Monday, May 1, 2000, in the Miami Herald

Richard Bertram, boating pioneer
BY TERE FIGUERAS
tfigueras@herald.com
Richard Bertram, pioneer yacht manufacturer and salesman who helped revolutionize the boating industry, died Friday from complications of Parkinson's disease in his Stuart, Fla., home. He was 84.

A former world-class offshore powerboat champion and founder of Bertram Yachts near Miami International Airport, Bertram earned legendary status in yachting circles around the world.

In 1980, The Herald named Bertram its first ``Boater of the Year,'' noting that ``at least nine of 10 family powerboats skimming over Biscayne Bay on any Saturday'' owe their heritage to Bertram, who popularized the now-standard deep-V hull that allows boats to cut through rough waters.

STARTING YOUNG

Bertram was born in Ithaca, N.Y., and his love affair with boating began on Barnegat Bay in New Jersey, where his family owned a summer home. At age 8, he sailed his first vessel -- a 15-foot sneak box -- and won his first race at 14. As a student at Cornell Unversity, he founded the school's yacht club, was elected president of the Intercollegiate Yacht Racing Association, and skippered two consecutive championship teams.

After graduation, Bertram worked as a marine insurance underwriter before joining the World War II effort as a U.S. Navy civilian employee in the Caribbean.

After the war, Bertram opened a yacht brokerage office in Miami. The firm, which would later spawn a multimillion-dollar industry powerhouse, had decidedly humble beginnings. The office was a small storeroom attached to a gas station. Meetings were usually held in a coffee shop across the street.

But that would soon change.

`FROM GROUND UP'

``Daddy really built the business from the ground up,'' said daughter Anne Endler. ``He was a sailor, but he realized powerboats were the future of Florida, so he scoured the docks form here to Palm Beach trying to list all the yachts he could.''

While his business continued to flourish, the fiercely competitive Bertram continued to race.

In 1958, Bertram was competing in the America's Cup trials aboard the 12-meter ``Vim'' when he noticed a small boat slice through the choppy waters. Intrigued by the boat's V-shaped bottom, Bertram tracked down the designer, Ray Hunt, and asked him to build a larger version so he could commute from his Coconut Grove waterfront home to downtown Miami.

When the 30-foot ``Moppie'' was finished, Bertram entered the boat -- named after his second wife -- in the 1960 Miami-Nassau race. The Moppie, with its unusual design, broke the course record and beat the nearest competitors by two hours.

From 1960 to 1968, Bertram and various incarnations of the original Moppie won every major powerboat event in the United States and Europe at least once, setting the world's diesel speed recod in 1965.

The boat's radical design also proved a boon for business.

MOPPIE COPIES

When the Moppie was featured in scores of newspaper articles as well as Sports Illustrated, boaters asked for replicas. And Bertram, always a keen salesman, was happy to oblige. Bertram Yachts, which first produced the so-called Moppie copies at a Hialeah shop, eventually moved to its landmark 25-acre location near the airport in 1962.

Bertram sold the company in the mid-1960s and set up Richard Bertram & Co., a brokerage firm across the street from the manufacturing facilities.

His clientele included celebrities such as Aristotle Onassis, the Aga Kahn, King Hussein of Jordan and Prince Bertil of Sweden.

But despite high-profile contacts, Bertram remained humble, Endler said.

``He was able to talk to anyone.''

A longtime devotee of self-improvement courses and Eastern philosophy, Bertram founded a group based on his experiences called Benestrophe, which met every week in Stuart.

A founding member of the Coral Reef Yacht Club, Bertram was also a member of the Storm-Trisail Club and the Cruising Club of America.

He is survived by wife Franchesca Morales Bertram; daughters Gretchen Whalen, Anne Endler, Madelaine Osborne, Charlotte and Caroline Bertram; sons Scott, Kim, Morgan, Colin and Digby Bertram; stepson John Holzman; five grandchildren; and one great-grandchild.

In lieu of flowers, donations can be made to the National Parkinson's Foundation.

Contact Us
Copyright 2000 Miami Herald

A moment of silence, please
Ray S/NJ -- 1 May 2000, at 5:08 p.m. EDT

Pioneer Yacht Manufacturer Dies
STUART, Fla. (AP) -- Pioneer yacht manufacturer and offshore powerboat champion Richard Bertram has died from complications related to Parkinson's disease.

He was 84 when he died Friday.

Bertram popularized the now standard V-type hull that allows boats to cut through rough waters. He was competing in the 1958 America's Cup trials when he noticed a small boat slicing through the choppy waters.

Intrigued by the boat's V-shaped bottom, Bertram tracked down the designer and asked him to build a larger version so he could commute from his Coconut Grove waterfront home to his office in downtown Miami.

When the 30-foot ''Moppie'' was finished, Bertram entered the boat in the 1960 Miami-Nassau race. The boat broke the course record and beat the nearest competitors by two hours.

''Moppie'' was then featured in many newspaper and magazine articles, and boaters asked for replicas. That's when Bertram started his Miami business, building luxury cruising yachts and sports-fishing boats.

His clientele included Aristotle Onassis, the Aga Kahn, King Hussein of Jordan and Prince Bertil of Sweden.

The sailor's love affair with boating began on New Jersey's Barnegat Bay, where his family owned a summer home. At 8, he sailed his first vessel. He won his first race at 14, and as a student at Cornell founded the school's yacht club and skippered two consecutive championship teams.

Bertram is survived by his wife, Franchesca Morales Bertram; five daughters, five sons and a stepson; five grandchildren; and one great-grandchild.

Plans for a memorial service were incomplete.

.AP-NY-05-01-00 1501EDT< .

Re: Question for Uncle Vic
Dug -- 1 May 2000, at 12:52 p.m. EDT

Have a safe trip!!!

Don't eat too much bait while you are there, and do strategize the next trip to the fishing grounds!

D

Re: Question for Uncle Vic
Vic Roy -- 1 May 2000, at 10:55 a.m. EDT

Jeff - I troll around them and the standby bouys near them. Sometimes the cold water will well up a mile or two down current from them; other times the marlin will be right by the rig. I pull wide range 12 in. Softheads, usually the "halloween" color, orange/black. I rig them on 300 lb flourocarbon with two 11/0 Mustad s.s. 7732's in a 180 degree rig, with the trailer hook on 600 lb s.s. cable and the bend of the rear hook even with the rear of the skirt. You can use elect. tape to hold the cable to the front hook in the 180 position, or I started using heat shrink tubing, which lasts longer.

The biggest marlin I ever caught hit within 30 feet of one of the legs of a rig in 500 fathoms. Sometimes you just go 'round and 'round for hours with nothing, then Bingo! Lots of yellowfin, wahoo and dolphin, too. Tons of blackfin. All the bouys have floating ropes off them, so be careful. I have taken a few swims to untangle 6 in hawsers from the wheels. Lots of fun.

Well, guys, Uncle Vic is heading for the airport in a little while for San Diego to go Unit hunting.

See ya

Question for Uncle Vic
Jeff -- 1 May 2000, at 10:41 a.m. EDT

I remember some previous posts about catching a bunch of blues during your fishing career. What's the "accepted" method for catching blues around those deep water oil wells in the gulf? Do you pull lures or do you troll dead bait? Just wondering, we're entering our first marlin tounament on the Cold Duck this week, and was trying to get a jump on the rest of the field. Figured if I got some tips from someone who had caught at least a hundred marlin, it might work for us. By the way, I have fished the gulf stream three times in the last couple of weeks, and the rough sh__ seems to follow the Cold Duck.
Got kicked around again yesterday!

Re: It just keeps getting better and better!
Dug -- 1 May 2000, at 10:20 a.m. EDT

Vic,

Now, now, just because the fish are different!!!

We don't have the luxury of all the fish you have, sometimes we have to resort to tuna, mahi, bluefish, stripers, fluke, cod (depending on the season), and others. We do get blue water like crazy up here, and the weather can get nutty quick, and that is why the hull is preferred, but the fish...well, we take what we can get! (sometimes...)

Re: who and where are you?
Dug -- 1 May 2000, at 10:03 a.m. EDT

I am wondering if you ought to set up some sort of password entry ability that you approve, so that we can limit the presence of addresses, the locations of our unit pits, etc, from the prying eyes of public potential mis-users of that sort of information...ie: thieves. Just curious. I like the idea, and vote for the no response section as we already have one of those...

But I would like to protect privacy if we can...

Re: who and where are you?
Chris Wilson -- 30 April 2000, at 6:13 p.m. EDT

Great idea. Something like the guest log would be the way to go I think. (A members log ?)
Perhaps it could have a form to complete and place to attach a picture of a)boat and b)owner.

Chris

Re: who and where are you?
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 30 April 2000, at 8:37 a.m. EDT

PS...

For those of you who haven't found it previously, a somewhat out of date profile for yours truly can be found at:: http://usamarine.net/cc/fabout.htm

Best regards,

Patrick

bertram 31 - bertram31.com images

Capt Patrick's Profile...

Buffet-itis
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 30 April 2000, at 8:30 a.m. EDT

Will,

The Keys will do that to you! They are one of the most enticing "drop out - lay back" places in the States, especially for fishermen... Everything from blue water marlin to back country snook in the mangroves. No other place in the country offers as much piscatorial diversity.

Very few people visit the Keys without being infected with a dream to live there. But, they have their down side too... Cost of living is expensive, traffic is a bear, (especially if a major accident happens on the Overseas Hwy), and, unless you're retired and independently wealthy, a viable income is hard to find.

My love for the Keys was galvanized instantly while driving down to Key West to report for duty on the submarine USS Picuda (SS 382) in May of 1963. After the Navy (1965), I spent 17 years back in Houston, Tx. longing for the day I could move back to FL. The "pie in the sky" was to be a back country fishing guide.

Well, that never quite came to pass, but I moved to Miami in '82, to West Palm Beach in '83, and divorced myself from the jewelry industry, as a Master Goldsmith, in '87, and dusted off my USCG license for a career as a big boat captain. Long story short, the Keys are still my favorite haunt and while I too damn old to be poling around turistas on a flats boat, the allure is still there.

In the nearly twenty years of being around the Keys, I've managed to fish for just about every species there, on boats from 8' to 65',
have stayed in the poshest of resorts, (Ocean Reef in Key Largo), to tent camping on Sugar Loaf Key. Made just about every bar and restaurant worth mentioning from Islamorada to Key West, and have a Jimmy Buffet attitude par excellance.

Now if I had to live in NJ and had been infected by the Keys... Christ! That'd be devastating!

I'll dedicate my next Margarita to you.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: who and where are you?
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 30 April 2000, at 7:38 a.m. EDT

Great idea Sony!

I'm up to my eyes in the final second generation tooling of the dorade boxes at the moment, but as soon as I get a chance I'll set something up.

There are two ways that I can do it. One would be to format it similar to the guest log, (no responses capable), or as a bulletin board, (capable of posting response or follow-up). You guys let me know which you would rather have...

Best regards,

Patrick

vacations
Will#2 -- 30 April 2000, at 12:12 a.m. EDT

I was just in the Florida Keys for a week and a half and i sure do wonder why everyone doesn't sell everthing they own and move there. Exsept there boats and tackle. The people who fish down there are so spoiled with there nice weather and every speciece of fish immaginable no more than 50 miles offshore. Im from Nj and i can't waight to get the boat in the water and get some nice weather

who and where are you?
Sonny -- 29 April 2000, at 10:30 p.m. EDT

I think it would be really nice to have a portion of this forum ( not under this heading)with a list of the names, short bios., location, boat etc. of the contributers, and what they like to do with their boat. For example, Vic and I like to libate and fish. I live in Sarasota, FL. and anyone can have my phone number and address, and are welcome to spend a few days fishing with me. I was a 32 year airline pilot, and was known as " Sonny Thrust, what he lacks in skill, he makes up for by being stupid". Boy I miss the good old days and cockpit humor. Anyway, I think it would be great if we knew a little about who we were talking to and spilling our boat guts about the units spent, divorce, and girls who like our boats, ( yes, there's becomming some 31 Bert. groupie action). Sonny P.S. Chuck, stay with it, youre about done and will love it.

Re: Sonny's back
chuck k -- 29 April 2000, at 9:25 p.m. EDT

HEY SONNY FINISHED MY MOTOR OVERHAUL. HAD TROUBLE FINDING A HEAD.(MINE ENDED UP BEING CRACKED)REINSTALLED MOTOR TODAY.WAITING ON INJECTOR PUMP AND INJECTORS FOR OTHER MOTOR.FIGURED MIGHT AS WELL GET THEM CHECKED OUT TOO. SHOULD BE IN WATER THIS WEEK. CHUCK

Re: Sonny's back
Vic Roy -- 29 April 2000, at 6:45 p.m. EDT

Well, you didn't miss a thing while you were gone. After my performance last night - I'm still reeling from the 7 or 8 different kinds of wine - we are headed off for a crawfish boil at one of our clients' warehouse. Change of pace. gonna wear my White Boots.

Got a good price for the Bayliner.

Vic

Re: cod towers
PHIL -- 29 April 2000, at 6:20 p.m. EDT

VIC - YOU ARE ONE "CLASSY" GUY. A WORD OF ADVICE ON CLEANING COD FOR DINNER: USE A CLEAN PLYWOOD BOARD FOR CUTTING AND WHEN FINISHED DISCARD THE FISH AND COOK THE PLYWOOD.

Sonny's back
Sonny -- 29 April 2000, at 1:59 p.m. EDT

Gee guys, didn't think you would miss me. I've been real busy the last few weeks. I bought a new Bayliner and took the girls from the beach bar out cod fishing. No fish ( thank goodness), but had a wild time. Got caught by my wife as the coast guard was towing us in after the mayday. She was mad and left me at the coast guard station. Luckly I had one of those $30 cab vouchers to get home with. I took her to a black tie charity dinner that night, donated the Bayliner ( it went for $36 ), didn't get loaded and wild, and gave her a diamond bracelet. All is forgiven now and I'm allowed one phone call per week from a strange woman for the next six weeks, or until the diamonds need cleaning ( whichever comes first !).Got a unit price for a cod tower on my boat. The guy wanted to know if I wanted one like he just did for a coonass lawyers half sinking barge on the Mississippi. I asked how the man fishes with a tower on his barge, he said he doesn't, he and his buddies go up there at night, howl at the moon and throw beer cans at passing boats. After calling my CPA in Savannah I was advised to get an extension, watch my units and finish the paint job. Can't wait to get the "Yellowbird" back in the water.

cod towers
Vic Roy -- 29 April 2000, at 12:01 a.m. EDT

Dave - you have it right. I'm gonna design a cod tower for the 31. It needs to be short, slimey, and ugly. Sort of like a Lawyerfish - a bottom dwelling scum sucker.

To prove that some lawyers have class, Miss Elaine and I just returned from the City Club (of Baton Rouge, a pretty classy place) where they had the Titanic dinner (7, count 'em, 7) courses, the same dinner the poor clucks had on the Titanic the night it hit the ice cube. Uncle Vic showed up in his tux wearing over it an orange life jacket I fihsed out of the shop - real old one with the stuffing coming out of it. I was a hit. Think I'll be sleeping alone tonite, though. I thought it was funny. Others were not so inclined. F--K 'em - life is too short. Lucky for them I didn't take the life raft and pull the lanyard next to the broad playing the harp.

Uncle Vic be's oversocialized.

Re: It just keeps getting better and better!
Dave D. -- 28 April 2000, at 7:28 p.m. EDT

Thats right Vic... thats why they have marlin and tuna towers....ever hear of a cod tower? Only problem is there aren't too many marlin up here in Narragansett Bay or near Boston!!!!

Dave (looking a a piece of S...t mechanically but who the hell cares I can sit at the dock in Newport all summer without engines and still be the envy of the crowd) D.

Re: It just keeps getting better and better!
Vic Roy -- 28 April 2000, at 5:55 p.m. EDT

Dave - there is only one cure. Hock your ass and buy the boat. Even if it turns out to be a piece of s--t mechanically, you can get it right, and learn something about real boats. Plus, you can brag about it for the rest of your life. If it forces you into bankruptcy, we will swear it's worth nothing so you can keep it.

But DO NOT USE IT TO FISH FOR COD! In my humble view, cod (whateverthehell a cod is) is totally unbecoming of a 31 Bertram. They are blue water boats, and protocol dictates that they only fish for marlin, etc. Cod? No! Capt. Tony catching them big flounders on his up in Alaska is bad enough, but COD? Jeeeezzzeeeeee.

Uncle "pure" Vic

Re: ..10,9,8,7,6,54,3,2,1,SPLASHDOWN!
Vic Roy -- 28 April 2000, at 5:43 p.m. EDT

What is a "cod"? Is it the stuff they make codliver oil out of? If so, throw them mothers back. On the other hand, if its the end of a net, then make sure the knot is tite.

Cod?, Jeezeeeeee

Uncle Vic

Re: ..10,9,8,7,6,54,3,2,1,SPLASHDOWN!
Dug -- 28 April 2000, at 4:49 p.m. EDT

Capy,

That is great! I still have a couple more weeks worth of motor work and assembly to be done and then she will go in to be tested and find out what else is not working, but I am jealous! That is great, and I hope you have your fish chowder recipe all ready!!!

And Russ, there are still Cod either way out offshore, or up where Capy lives. Gloucester still has them. My cousin lives up there and tells great fish tales!!! I have all the pictures from when he hooked the ocean lobster trap line with his anchor and other fun adventures...

Dug

Re: ..10,9,8,7,6,54,3,2,1,SPLASHDOWN!
RUSS -- 28 April 2000, at 3:51 p.m. EDT

great capy good luck,mine is delivered and goes splash next week. i didn't know their were any cod left.

..10,9,8,7,6,54,3,2,1,SPLASHDOWN!
capy -- 28 April 2000, at 2:46 p.m. EDT

The old girl is going in on monday afternoon....I just spoke with yard foremanthe slip is ready,the boat is ready, my tackle is ready and 20lb cod are 2 miles from the inlet in ipswich bay!!!! I thought I would let everyone know, my season starts monday!

regards,

capy

Re: Thanks, Capt. Patrick
Carlos Sucre -- 28 April 2000, at 10:50 a.m. EDT

Muchas gracias from La Guaira Capt P.
I learn something new here every day for my 31
( and TIO VIC remarks keeps me laughing)
BTW heard Sonny bought a Bayliner and changed forum
Carlos

Re: Thanks, Capt. Patrick
Phil Pickford -- 28 April 2000, at 10:09 a.m. EDT

Mahalo is the traditional hawaiian thank you. I live in Kailua/Lanikai on the eastern shore of Oahu. Twenty minutes out and you are in fishing/diving/surfing paradise. Polinesian paralysis is a common affliction when water conditions are just perfect.
Thanks again Capt. Patrick. I may be visiting the Sebastion Inlet area soon and will contact you for a dinner if plans take me in that direction.

Re: It just keeps getting better and better!
Dave D. -- 28 April 2000, at 9:58 a.m. EDT

These stories are great! I must be destined for this boat...I don't even own one and i already had to lie to my wife as to where the four hours yesterday afternoon went. "Delivering drawings to a client" was my reply...instead i spent two hours on the road and two crawling under shrinkwrap to look at a '69. I guess it starts early!

Re: Thanks, Capt. Patrick
Dug -- 28 April 2000, at 9:38 a.m. EDT

Vic!!!

You have to be careful. I am a young far!!!!

Great post! I agree! Thanks again Patrick, and Sonny, come on back!

Re: It just keeps getting better and better!
Dug -- 28 April 2000, at 9:36 a.m. EDT

No, I truly believe that I am doing the right thing. If I did not love her (the boat that is...I am a rare one in that there is no wife...). Anyway, there will be no more bitching, as there really is not much left to replace!

But, that is one of my arguments to people. To replace on of our boats would be 2-300,000 units easy! so, we are far, far ahead. That is the driver!

I figure if I spend 12-14 on this motor job/project, (ok, much more than was originally planned, but that is the way it goes...) I am still ahead of new or even used 454's. I figure one new 454 is $11,000 as of last year, so I am ahead. I am just tiring of surprises. Planned surprises are ok, but I ended those about a year ago, ya know! now they are all unexpected surprises!

Re: Thanks, Capt. Patrick
Jeff -- 28 April 2000, at 9:10 a.m. EDT

Capt. Patrick, I too would like to pass along thanks from south Georgia (land of us rednecks). While sitting in the office staring at another exciting tax return, my mind wanders to the B31 website wondering if Uncle Vic has another coonass tale to tell or whether Sonny has had to spend any more units. I've learned just about everything I know about a B31 from this website.
This site is worth mucho units to me.

Re: Thanks, Capt. Patrick
capy -- 28 April 2000, at 8:21 a.m. EDT

Capt. Patrick,

Thanks from the northeast, the site is great. I am still trying to get some early B 31 stuff scanned and sent to you....

Regards,

capy

Re: Thanks, Capt. Patrick
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 28 April 2000, at 6:17 a.m. EDT

Patrick, as Mr. Buffet said in one of my favorite songs - "So drink it up, this ones for you - it's been a lovely cruise!"

Re: It just keeps getting better and better!
ken -- 28 April 2000, at 12:37 a.m. EDT

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH PHIL, DIAMONDS ARE A WOMANS BEST FRIEND, AND BERTRAM 31S ARE A MANS BEST. I WON A FISHING TOUNRAMENT ONCE AND THE NEXT WEEKEND I BOUGHT MY WIFE A NEW DIAMOND. NOW SHE KEEPS LETTING ME ENTER TOURNAMENTS, I WONDER WHY. KEN

Re: Thanks, Capt. Patrick
ken -- 28 April 2000, at 12:29 a.m. EDT

VIC, MAHALO MEANS THANK YOU. PHIL MUST LIVE IN HAWAII. DO YOU PHIL ? I DO. I THINK YOU WERE THE ONE ASKING ABOUT THE FIBERGLASS WINDOWS? KEN

Re: It just keeps getting better and better!
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 27 April 2000, at 10:36 p.m. EDT

Uncle Vic,

I just saw one of those singing bass mounts at the local Cracker Barrel today for the first time.. What a riot! They're getting $25 a pop for 'em and people were leaving the resturant with 3 and 4 of 'em at a time. Another one of those items that make you think: "Why didn't *I* think of that"!

Best regards,

Patrick

You're welcome, one and all...
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 27 April 2000, at 10:27 p.m. EDT

Uncle Vic, Phil, and All,

You guys are are welcome! I'm as happy as a pig in **it that everyone has a good time here.

Not many units can be attributed to the existance of Bertram31.com, but then life isn't just about the bottom line. Seeing you guys get together and become friends, right here in my "cyber marina" means a lot more to me than a wad of units...

Again, you're very welcome, and thanks for your thanks! Bottoms up to all "The Few, The Proud, The B31er's"...

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Thanks, Capt. Patrick
Vic Roy -- 27 April 2000, at 9:44 p.m. EDT

Phil - what the hell does mahalo mean? Is it a secret term? Don't get me started.

Is it like "been out in the sun too long?"

Re: It just keeps getting better and better!
Vic Roy -- 27 April 2000, at 9:34 p.m. EDT

Phil - I'm living proof that they know every damn dollar ( excuse me, Units) that goes into the maw. I have a friend that spent 600 on an Ocean, and his other spent 900 remodeling the house. He had to sell the Ocean. Good riddance, in my view.

I look at some of these new boats, like the Cabo 31, and we can pour so many Units into our 31
s amd still be way ahead. Face it, we have boats that are generally worth 100 or less, and we can kick their asses.

Saw in the local paper that 6 New Orleans cops were picked up after their 29 Luhrs sank off the mouth of the Miss river this past weekend. I've been on one of them, and thought the sucker was gonna turn over any second. Top heavy.

My brother in law gave me one of those singing mounted bass'es, and it made my day. It sings 'be happy, don't worry". Take it to heart.

Good nite

Vic

Re: Thanks, Capt. Patrick
Phil Pickford -- 27 April 2000, at 8:51 p.m. EDT

Aloha and mahalo from my end also

Re: It just keeps getting better and better!
Phil Pickford -- 27 April 2000, at 8:50 p.m. EDT

The significant other never needs to know about second and third mortgages on the house, kids university fund cash withdrawls etc. At your next dinner party you can tell your guests, friends, and semi angry wife that they are enjoying $ 1000.00 a pound fish dinners.
HINT: when you expend major dollars on said boat spend a small percentage on diamonds. I am living proof that this works.

Thanks, Capt. Patrick
Vic Roy -- 27 April 2000, at 8:38 p.m. EDT

Guys, I've had a hard day, but on the other hand, probably reaped some serious Units from it.

My day is topped off by checking this site. I confess that I do it 30 times a day at the office. The friends that I have made on this site are worth - Units. Thank you, Thank you, Capt. Patrick for giving us a place to sip our Koolaid. I hope you are making Units from it.

But, where is Sonny? Is he passed? Sonny, we miss you. Your 2 am posts after across the street to the beach bar are my dream deal. The rest of us work our asses off, either on the boats, or, like me, on the "W" word, and you are collecting the retirement from the airline that left me in Atlanta for the nite, with a $30 voucher. S--t, even the cab driver laughed at that .

Anyway, Thanks, Capt. Patrick for giving us ole fars at place to gather.

Uncle Vic

Re: It just keeps getting better and better!
capy -- 27 April 2000, at 8:51 a.m. EDT

dude,

you've got to learn to PACE yourself......gelcoat one year,plumbing the next, engines after that and don't forget sweat equity. When all else fails, set up a budget for a total restore, and then.....double it! then take out a loan for the largest amount possible from the bank.Indeed this is many, many, many units but less stress than being nickled and dimed to death. I figure since I've been through it, it some how is less painful now than when I was shoveling units into the maw of a 33 year old (at the time)boat.

hope this helps

capy

Re: yacht swap: (Commercial Crap)
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 26 April 2000, at 10:58 p.m. EDT

The fishing swap among 31 owners doesn't sound bad, except for the part where I have to hold up a liquor store to get the entry fee! Vic, I got a report of a 55 pound wahoo caught 50 miles off Freeport this weekend by a king fisherman, and another of 13 yellowfin caught around some new deepwater rig. The longliners have mostly left us blackfins over here, so that was an encouraging report.

Re: It just keeps getting better and better!
Vic Roy -- 26 April 2000, at 6:41 p.m. EDT

Got any more guns you wanna sell? Capt. Tony up in Alaska needs a short one.

Seriously, this is not a game for cowards. You should always be prepared to lie to your spouse, take out a payday loan down on the corner, and do what a MAN has to do in order to keep this going. It is not always a pretty sight, but you gotta do what you gotta do. There will come a day, that perfect day, when it's all worthwile. In summary, f--k 'em.

Uncle Vic

It just keeps getting better and better!
Dug -- 26 April 2000, at 5:18 p.m. EDT

Well here we go more units!!! Why did I ever drink the Kool aid???????????

Mechanic at the yard just called. Y'all (yes that is right, I am from the Northeast US!!!)remember I had to replace the manifolds because they were raw water cooled, not fresh so they did not match up with my exhaust system? Well of course that means that the heat exchangers are not sized appropriately to handle the added cooling required by the manifolds, right?

Here we go more units... Oh, the units go, and go...yee haw!!! The few, the exhausted, the poor, the 31 owners!!!!

I better catch some damned fish this summer!!!!

Re: yacht swap: (Commercial Crap)
rick -- 26 April 2000, at 3:29 p.m. EDT

.,.,yeah it sounded like crap

However it begs the question.,why not 31bert owners arround the globe (us) get together to fish with other bert owners arround the globe in major tourneys ,,,like the million dollar shoot out in cabo or the tourneys at walker cay and elsewhere where our bretheren reside,., entrance fees of 10 thousand shouldnt make anybody blink. We are the elite are we not!

how about a swap of experiences,, you fly to me and i put you up and we fish Giant Blue fin. I fly there and fish Marlin.,.,It seems like there are an awfull lot of Sport fisherman a lot of possibilities,, and a lot of geography,,on this webpage.,.,it sounds do/able to me............forget the Money.,., did I say that!............ric.,.,Kid Koo @aol.com

Re: yacht swap: (Commercial Crap)
Dug -- 26 April 2000, at 10:38 a.m. EDT

Three cheers for the Kool aid!!!

Re: yacht swap: (Commercial Crap)
Vic Roy -- 26 April 2000, at 6:45 a.m. EDT

Capt. Mike - count me in for sure. If fishing is the goal, the mouth of the Miss river is hard to beat, but there ain't squat to do here other than fish, eat, and drink. On the other hand, that ain't all bad. I can arrange slips, etc.

Looks like my plans to try to fish this week are scuttled by federal court orders spewing from the fax machine that will require Uncle Vic's attention. Oh well, the week before the full moon is gonna be better.

See ya.

Vic

Re: want a cheap 31?
Carlos Sucre -- 26 April 2000, at 1:56 a.m. EDT

my 1974 fb model with twin 135hp 453 detroits has factory original 18 x 18 3 blades, so yours with twin 250hp should not be same 18 x 18 as recomended by the prop shop.
Carlos

Re: want a cheap 31?
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 25 April 2000, at 10:13 p.m. EDT

A friend helping me remove my old shaft logs and struts asked if I had one of theose big ass zincs on the stern. When I sheepishly admitted I didn't he remarked that the boat certainly must have a good bonding system, as there was no corrosion on any of the bolts we removed, they all came out fairly easily - and this after 37 years in saltwater!

Re: yacht swap: (Commercial Crap)
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 25 April 2000, at 10:10 p.m. EDT

Gets better and better. At least we're all in this together! When I get mine running we ought to organize a 31 rendevouz somwhere along the Gulf one day - maybe a fishing torunament just for 31's? I want to do a Bertram-Hatteras Shoot-out tourney in Freeport, probably next year, now. How about "Bertram 31, - if you have to ask, you can't afford to know!"

Re: want a cheap 31?
Vic Roy -- 25 April 2000, at 8:53 p.m. EDT

Shoud have sunk it for the insurance. But you have a good point - while I was in the yard last week they found a crack in my port shaft in the coupling at the gear; had to pull up one section of the Glastcch deck to do it right, but no problem, it came right up with sho' nuf' stainless screws that still screwed. Went right back with no b.s.

Uncle vic

Re: yacht swap: (Commercial Crap)
Vic Roy -- 25 April 2000, at 8:47 p.m. EDT

It's the Koolaid they are after, but we ain't gonna give them the recipe!

The few, the Proud, the Broke, The Pooped, The Real Thing - the 31 Bertram.

Uncle Vic

Re: yacht swap: (Commercial Crap)
Jim Davis -- 25 April 2000, at 8:04 p.m. EDT

Must be bad drugs! Why would anyone want to swap the use of their BERTRAM to roll around on a
sailboat?

Gunny

Re: want a cheap 31?
Carl -- 25 April 2000, at 6:18 p.m. EDT

Yeh, I'd say you put in a good days work. One great thing about these Bertrams is you may need to do some major jobs once in awhile like all boats. But, do to the excellent engineering of the boats they come apart. Case and point a buddy of mine has a Cruiser. He sprung a leak in the fuel tank. To get the tank out he had to pull both engines, cut the floor and remove a ton of stuff, battery shelf, rudder supports, holding tank and the list goes on. My dads Hatteras, need to repack the shaft stuffing box, cut the floor up or find someone small, and I mean small. Sorry the the ramble. Carl.

Re: want a cheap 31?
Vic Roy -- 25 April 2000, at 8:02 a.m. EDT

Capt. Mike - I think you are on the right track. The 6bta has a hellva lot of torque, so the bigger wheel should do the trick, and you can always up the pitch once you see how she runs.

Uncle Vic

Re: Hey You Yanmar Owners...
Jay -- 24 April 2000, at 8:40 p.m. EDT

I put all of fifty on 300's in the last 10 months but my fist b31 was repowered with 170's and can now be found in charter service on Virgin Gorda! those were new in 89' and the boat past me last summer whle I was cruising with my family on a bareboat/sail. No smoke and good speed. It was quite a surprise as it past.

Re: want a cheap 31?
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 24 April 2000, at 8:24 p.m. EDT

I have a buddy with a 31 hartop running 210 Cummins w/1.5:1 Twin Disc and 20X23 props. I was told by a man I respect that with the extra weight on my boat, 1.44:1 trannies, I should start with 20 X 20, maybe need 20 x 18. The prop shop asked me for horsepower and how fast I want to go - no kidding, that's all the info he wanted - and told me to run 18 x 18. I ordered 20 x 19 3 blades. Hopefully, they'll be in late this week or early next.

Re: Single lever controls
Jay -- 24 April 2000, at 8:21 p.m. EDT

I used Morse Controls and one those new edson small diameter wheels with a "necker nob" works great

Re: life raft
Jay -- 24 April 2000, at 8:05 p.m. EDT

Having recently completed a nine month long rebuild of a 69' sport fish I have spent in inordinate amount of time on the question of where to place the liferaft and we found a good spot by doing it early in the process. We raised the helm seat just enough for the Switlick canister to slide under and put a seat support on either side instead of the center. In designing the new aft stantions on the flybridge we left room for the raft to slide back straight through. We secured the raft beneath the seat with a belt of nylon webbing with stainless d-ring and snap shackle with lanyard. Intrialing this setup it is very easy and accessible to retrieve.

Re: want a cheap 31?
Dug -- 24 April 2000, at 6:50 p.m. EDT

Ugh...it's monday...I meant "the few, the exhausted, the 31 owners!"

That will go on my cards, not the other thing I said...time to go home...

Re: want a cheap 31?
Vic Roy -- 24 April 2000, at 6:18 p.m. EDT

Capt. Mike- I'm running 21 x 22 three blade Nibrals with no cup thru 1.5 ZF's on 250 6bta's.

Being further on the wrong side of 50 than you are, I traded Units for sanding and paint. If I can fight off the lawyer-dribble tomorrow, I'm going to go down to Vencie and run around in the
31. My son says it looks great after the acid bath they had to give her since she got downwind of a sandblasting job in the yard. Shiver, Shiver.

FYI, my son day captianed on a 53 Hat last week and they raised a blue mariin and caught some bull dolphin SE of the mouth of the Miss river. Said the blue was big and bit three baits, but spit them all. doo doo happens.

Let us know how she runs, Capt. Mike.

Uncle Vic

Re: want a cheap 31?
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 24 April 2000, at 5:50 p.m. EDT

Luckily, 31's are easy boats to paint. The whole bottom can be done with a roller and extension, and sanding the hull sides isn't too challenging - but, as I approach the wrong side of 50, my energy levels are lower - even when working on my prized 31!

Vic, I know you've mentioned this before, but what props are you running?

And I have a buddy with a 31 hardtop for sale, tower, gas engines but runs well, for $35,000.

Re: want a cheap 31?
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 24 April 2000, at 10:51 a.m. EDT

Thanks Ray!

Yeah, dirty job... But, somebody's gotta' do it...

Realistically though, the delivery of a someone's million+ dollar toy entails a 14-16 hour day, (in this case, approx. 6-7 days), no time for leisure, and full responsibility for the well being of the boat and crew.

If offshore is achievable, many of those hours can be boring as hell, if forced into the ditch, dodging shallows, other boaters, timing bridge openings, and constant manual steering, it's exhausting and nerve racking.

At the end of each day, the key future holds a full wash down, engine room duties, and if lucky, a quick shower and a late supper. Oh, did I mention that if something is going to break, it'll happen on a delivery more often than any other time? Underway repairs in a 5 ft beam sea are real fun... O'Brian's Law supercedes Murphy. O'Brian has only one premise... Murphy is a freaking optimist!

Divide $250 a day cap'n's wages by an average of 14 hrs for a whoppin' $17.86 an hour. About half what I'd make working from my shop.

But, don't get me wrong... It's a great change of pace, challenging, and comes with a opportunity to be a cocky yacht captain... Like I say, dirty job... But, somebody's gotta' do it... ;^)

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: want a cheap 31?
Dug -- 24 April 2000, at 10:01 a.m. EDT

See what I mean!

"The few, the exhausted, the 31 owners..." is more like it.

Damn, still sleepy!

Re: want a cheap 31?
Dug -- 24 April 2000, at 9:47 a.m. EDT

Damn strait on "The few, the proud, the 31 owners!!!!" I think I will print that on my business cards to explain why I always fall asleep in monday meetings! Tuesdays as well sometimes!!!

Re: want a cheap 31?
Ray S/NJ -- 24 April 2000, at 9:09 a.m. EDT

Captain Patrick,

I'll probably be back there this week as I usually go to Long Beach Island each weekend. I'd really like to catch the owner while he's there. I'll gladly put a note on her for you. Hopefully, they won't think I'm messing with it and run me off. ;-)

A 56 Hatteras? Man, life must be rough...

Ray

Re: What a day...
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 23 April 2000, at 11:14 p.m. EDT

Nope. When I related the story about sitting on the bridge with a pitcher of martinis while thw wife shook the trailer and sprayed water, he said "You guys with 31's are crazy!"

When I'm running (Not much longer now) he'll be begging for a trip!

Re: want a cheap 31?
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 23 April 2000, at 11:08 p.m. EDT

Carl,
Really appreciate the info you sent me. I read it all Saturday night after a hard day on the boat. This weekend I bedded the shaft logs, did some glass work, put on a coat of bottom paint, and sanded the rest of the hull for one more finish coat. Hope to be back in the water before next weekend.

To paraphrase Uncle Vic, "the few, the exhausted, the 31 Bertran owners!".

Re: yacht swap: chartering alternative
Vic Roy -- 23 April 2000, at 9:21 p.m. EDT

Uncle Vic, being in the business of sniffing b.s. gives the obvious adivce: if it's too good to be true, it is.

Free? Nah. Just give it up front - tell us how you gonna make your cut. Don't put the crap on us, cause we drink cool - aid, boy. We march to a drummer, and you ain't it.

Uncle Vic

yacht swap: (Commercial Crap)
Tim Kinney -- 23 April 2000, at 6:52 p.m. EDT

Hey fellow sailors.

Have you ever dreamed of sailing your vessel in distant exotic waters around the world? Would you like to do this absolutely free??

If you answered yes to either of the questions above, you should visit our website:

We are starting a non-commercial internet sailing project called (domain link deleted). It is a free website for anyone interested in traveling and sailing in another part of the world. If you have a boat, you can list it on our registry for an international vacation swap. If you are looking for crew or would like to crew on a boat in some distant port, come visit our site and take part in a crew exchange.

We are just getting started we already have several boats listed from around the world. We are growing fast so come take a look.

Happy Sailing,

Tim Kinney (captaink)

p.s. This is not a commercial advertising, just a friendly invitation to visit our personal webpage. t.k.

Not commercial???! In a hen's ass! Your links have been removed. Capt Patrick...

Re: want a cheap 31?
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 23 April 2000, at 6:11 p.m. EDT

Ray,

Thanks for the kind words!

I must tell you, in front of a world full of witnesses, that watching that boat get trailered away on a glum rainy day in December, without seeing it totally finished out, was one of the biggest heart breaks in my life.

I still don't have any pictures of the finished project and can only envy you in that you've seen what I haven't. The owner's name is Kevin Schuller and he promised to send some photos, but as yet that hasn't come to pass. If you happen by there again, leave a note on the boat, for me, and let him know that Ishgair was the single most prominent factor in my creating Bertram31.com. It'd be nice to see her on the images page without being on jack stands.

I have a 56' Hatteras to bring down from Long Island this fall and I'm hoping to get by there on my way up...

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: want a cheap 31?
Ray S/NJ -- 23 April 2000, at 7:51 a.m. EDT

Capt. Patrick:

Well, at least this one is in my price range. :-)

If you remember, a little while back I had asked you about the Ishgair/Fortuna, and if it had been in Barnegat Light last year. Well, I answered my own question yesterday - Ishgair is back at the 6th street marina in Barnegat Light. I took a quick look at her yesterday, and damned if she doesn't look better than new. Again, you guys did a great job on that boat.

I keep telling myself someday... Someday...

Regards,

RayS

Re: PROPS 6BT
Carl -- 22 April 2000, at 4:00 p.m. EDT

If room is a factor consider less pitch and more cup. Carl

Re: PROPS 6BT
Carl -- 22 April 2000, at 3:58 p.m. EDT

I'd go with a bigger wheel and reduce the pitch if you have the room. Carl

Re: want a cheap 31?
Carl -- 22 April 2000, at 3:56 p.m. EDT

I could use those windows, then toss the rest.

Carl

Re: want a cheap 31?
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 21 April 2000, at 10:30 p.m. EDT

Uncle Vic,

This one is definantly over priced! Jerry paid $15k for "Fortuna", sans engines, and a mint perfect hull and superstructure... Hell, it'd cost around $20k just bring this one up to the point of "now it's ready to work on".

Sad picture for sure...

Best regards,

Patrick

bertram 31 - bertram31.com images

want a cheap 31?
Vic Roy -- 21 April 2000, at 9:43 p.m. EDT

There is a very damaged 31 FB on www.traderonline.com under the 28 Bertram listings with a Miami phone number and a pix. You ought to look at it! Hurricane must have put it against a seawall, but look at the bottom - not a dent. They are asking $14,900 for it with no engines. Probably give it to you. I might buy it and put in my back yard to sit in and have martinis in the afternoons. Miss Elaine would love that.

Uncle Vic

PROPS 6BT
chuck kinberger -- 21 April 2000, at 9:31 p.m. EDT

I REPOWERED W/300HP 6BTS TWIN DISC 1 1/2-1
I HAVE 2O-24 4-BLADES W/CUP.THE BOAT SEEMS A LITTLE SLUGINSH TO PLANE.BUT RPM IS PERFECT @WOT.
DOES ANY BODY HAVE SAME COMBONATION OR SUGGESTIONS.IT WOULDNT HURT TO SLOW MY IDLE SPEED TO UNDER 8KTS EITHER.

Re: Cummins vs. Yanmar
chuck kinberger -- 21 April 2000, at 9:19 p.m. EDT

I WOULD DO A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH BEFORE TRYING TO PUSH 300HP OUT OF TRUCK ENGINES.I AM CURRENTLY REBUILDING 300 6BT,THE INTERNAL PARTS ARE NOT ALL THE SAME IN THESE ENGINES.THIS INFO CAME STRAIGHT FROM CUMMINS.I WAS GOING TO BUY A TRUCK LONG BLOCK,AND WAS TOLD IT WOULD NOT TAKE THAT KIND OF HP.GOOD LUCK

Re: Serial Numbers
capy -- 21 April 2000, at 12:12 p.m. EDT

Ken,

The early hulls, such as the one I own, had a simple system;

31 - 535

model - model/number built that year of this model

In my case, I have 1961, 31 foot, sptfish #35. I believe this system was discontinued in 1963? Call the factory and ask to speak to an engineer, they gave me much information about my boat.

Regards,

capy

Serial Numbers
Ken Kurek -- 21 April 2000, at 10:14 a.m. EDT

How do I interpert the serial number of a 31' Bertram to determine year, hull#, engine type, etc...

Ken - "Kerri-K"

Re: What a day...
Dug -- 21 April 2000, at 9:21 a.m. EDT

He obviously has not drunk the cool aid has he?

I was sitting with a mfg. rep. for many of the marine manufacturers and when I mentioned the boat I had (he sent me 3 new Orion Solas flares!!! A parachute, smoke, and hand held. Damn I love this business!) he kind of swooned. Then he said I was a member of a cult, and that was where the cool aid reference came from. He said, man, it is like all you guys drank the special cool aid and are addicted! Then he admitted it. He loves the boat also, and would love to have one...

Your editor does not get it, does he...

Re: water pump impellers
Vic Roy -- 21 April 2000, at 8:59 a.m. EDT

Phil - thanks. My shipyard guy got some new - correct ones for a change - from Cummins Midsouth in New Orleans, and I tolk him to make sure he left the boxes on the boat so I could get the Cummins numbers. I tried the Sherwood 17000's and they were too big, plus had a spline drive as opposed to the round one with the key. The 15000's sound mo' right. I bet the 17000's for are the 300 and up.

We are taking the day off for Good Friday, and I'm in the shop now tearing down Penn 80-w's and putting the teflon grease to them. Won't be long till mother marlin will be here.

Thanks, and I'll post the numbers from the new mystery impellers.

Uncle Vic

Re: water pump impellers
PHIL -- 20 April 2000, at 9:27 p.m. EDT

VIC - HAD MY IMPELLERS REPLACED WITH "SHERWOOD KIT #15000K" ('89 CUMMINS 6BTA / 250HP)

Re: What a day...
Vic Roy -- 20 April 2000, at 7:27 p.m. EDT

Capt. Mike - He don't have a clue, does he? I'm back in the water and looking good, with - finally - new impellers to boot. The 80 degree water is coming closer; it's about 80 nm SSE of the mouth of the river today. My son, Capt. Brent, is tearing the 7 lb specks up on topwater. His TV show last Tues nite was pretty neat, showing those big trout blowing up the topwaters. I'm gonna try to get down there next week and at least run the Bertram around and play like I'm marlin fishin'

The few, the proud, the 31 Bertram!

Uncle Vic

Re: What a day...
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 20 April 2000, at 7:07 p.m. EDT

I was recanting the story about the struts to an editor I write a lot for, and his reply was, "Time to get rid of the old boat and get a center console with outboards, at least if you expect to fish anytime soon." My response to that was that he just didn't understand, and that he would have to temper his envy when I get Black Sheep running again (soon!) Besides, I have a 48 foot custom and a 72 foot Halter I'm committed to running trips on this summer, so I WILL do some fishing!

fuel tanks
RUSS -- 20 April 2000, at 7:53 a.m. EDT

thanks for al the info re:additional tankage, thought i would start a new thread on the subject.i will post all the specs on the performance of "BARBARA JEAN" as soon as i get my hands on her.she was well taken of by her prior oweners but still need some work ie replacement of windows and cabin deck, this will be a labor of love and give me something to do in my retirement.isn't this the best web site you've ever seen! tight lines russ

Re: I don't know about "Destiny"
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 19 April 2000, at 5:52 p.m. EDT

Russ,

Congratulations!

On "Fortuna", the original tank was replaced with a pair of monel tanks, end to end, seperated by a cross twhart. These were plumbed to the fuel management manifold, each tank supplying a single engine. Each of them were calculated to hold a little over 35 gallons. The cockpit tanks were also monel and held 150 gal each.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: I don't know about "Destiny"
Dug -- 19 April 2000, at 5:15 p.m. EDT

Those sound like monster motors...!!!! I will be eager to hear about both the fuel consumption and the top end!

Re: I don't know about "Destiny"
Jeff -- 19 April 2000, at 4:29 p.m. EDT

Contratulations and welcome aboard! We have a 1979 Flybridge Cruiser with a single fiberglass tank under the salon floor that holds 65 gallons. Don't know if this helps any. I'd be interested to hear about the performance with that kind of hp. We also have gas (454). I'd like to hear about your cruising speed as well as top end and mpg.

Re: I don't know about "Destiny"
RUSS -- 19 April 2000, at 2:55 p.m. EDT

well i am now the happy owner of a 1973 b31 fbc,as soon as i get it shipped from va. and now the first of many questions. the boat did have a additional fuel tank(gas) under the cabin deck any ideas as to the size of this tank?the engines were replaced in 1998,merc 7.4 mpi,s 385 hp,new deck ect. thanks in advance for the help.tight lines russ

Re: water pump impellers
Capt. Tony -- 19 April 2000, at 1:06 p.m. EDT

Vic,
The # for the Jabsco Impellor for a Sherwood m-71 pump is 18948-0001. The # I have for Sherwood impellor is 10615.
The # I have for stainless woodruff keys that fit the m-71 is #4432
I have had my fair share of problems with these pumps.
Have you ever changed the wear plate? They can also be turned around before they are thrown away.

Good luck Vic
Tony

Re: For all...
Vic Roy -- 19 April 2000, at 11:57 a.m. EDT

Well, trading the gun for the Units necessary to fix the boat and pacify the spouse is a brilliant move. She probably didn't know you even had it.

My shipyard guy just called and the Another Joy is back it her slip, all fixed and painted up. I was supposed to go to DC Monday for the week, but decided to invoke the doo-doo flows downhill theory and I'm sending someone else. I'm gonna go do like Bill and sit on the flybridge and sip a clear one or two, then shake down the boat by catching some wahoo and tuna fish. Might even see what's around Uncle Vic's secret oil rig in 3000 feet of water. Maybe Ms. Marlin has arrived.

The number of Units I just spent is obscene.

Vic

Re: I don't know about "Destiny"
capy -- 19 April 2000, at 11:51 a.m. EDT

Bill and everyone else with mechanical problems,

I want all of you to know that I have a heart-felt sorrow for each and everyone of you and hope this luck will not fall on me or my boat. With that said, just remember that "WHEN THE GOING GETS TOUGH IT TAKES A STRONG AND SPECIAL MAN WHO CAN KICK BACK.....AND PARTY!!!!'

Regards,

capy

Re: water pump impellers
Vic Roy -- 19 April 2000, at 11:38 a.m. EDT

Capt Tony - my guy just called and said he finally has the right impellers from Cummins. I think I also have the Sherwood M71. I'll get the numbers for the ones that fit and post it for you.

Thanks.

vic

I don't know about "Destiny"
Bill M. -- 19 April 2000, at 10:38 a.m. EDT

Maybe I should rename my 31.Everyone is pulling,launching,having parts problems,etc..Iv'e got the flybridge on a four wheel trailer,the hull is on a six wheeler and eight months to go!

Instead of eating my heart out I mixed up a batch of vodka martinis,climbed up on the bridge,turned on the radio and had my wife rock the trailer and spray me with the garden hose.She finaly gave out,I finished the martinis and decided I was in no shape to start working again.Well tomorrows another day.

Bill M

P.S.Stil have five more days off this week!

For all...
Dug -- 19 April 2000, at 10:20 a.m. EDT

All I can say is whether it is water pump impellers that are the wrong size, or vibrating props, or new manifolds...it is good to be able to bounce things off of other people. It helps put the mind at ease!

Manifold destiny...
Dug -- 19 April 2000, at 10:17 a.m. EDT

Well, I got the parts.

They are a mishmash of brands all swearing that they will match up together. We shall see, though since they are all supposed to be direct replacements for the factory oem parts, it should work.

Vic, the Marine Powers are generally GM blocks, and the Chryslers are getting harder to find, but they are still out there. I think it will become easier in about 6 months but I am hoping I won't need new ones for another 20 years...

I am selling one of my guns to pay for this...never shot it, just an investment, and I am damned glad I did buy it, because I will be able to pay for these darned manifolds and carpet the room in the house! But still, wow, Friday sucked. But I am not the only one, and that is the price of boat ownership!!! For sure!

I will keep everyone updated on these final stages of this damned restoration!!!!

Dug

Re: water pump impellers
Dug -- 19 April 2000, at 10:09 a.m. EDT

Phil,

I actually found all the stuff that I need, and it was finalized this morning. I am getting whacked, but will have the parts, and know I am paying below the yard significantly.

Thank you very much for the help, and let me know what you end up with for prices, for the next batch of breakdowns!!!!

Thanks!

Dug

Re: What a day...
Dug -- 19 April 2000, at 10:07 a.m. EDT

Awesome!!!! I love stories like that! It gives me heart!

I ordered my manifolds etc, and should have it all in a week or so...

We shall see how it all turns out.

good luck with the props!

Re: water pump impellers
Phil Pickford -- 19 April 2000, at 9:21 a.m. EDT

Dug,
I am making calls today to see what is available for you. I will e-mail you with results as soon as I know.

Re: water pump impellers
Capt. Tony -- 19 April 2000, at 12:16 a.m. EDT

Well Vic, ole boy, I do believe that the impellor for the 250 horse is bigger than mine. My pump is a M-71(sherwood) I believe. I'll dig around tomorrow and find an old Jabsco impellor and get the # off it for you, but i think it will be too small. Seems like in this new millenium, someone ought to know how to cross reference them for you, or at least get you the right sherwood imp.

Well, got the "Falcon out of the water and sure enough, nothing obvious was wrong. Seemed to me most of the shaking was comming from the stbd side. Last year when I came out of the water, the lift guy picked me up, and the sling was on my stbd shaft. So, I thought that was the problem. SOOOOO i took out the shaft, and took it to the machine shop, and it was straight as an arrow. I put in my spare shaft in the meantime, and got her all bolted up, (dripless packing) . I took the new reconditioned props off both sides, and put on the old ones that are slightly beat up. They put me back in the water, and she runs as smooth as a licked titi.
I'm not sure yet if the recon props are screwed up, or if when i put em on, the key on one of them might have bottomed out on the shaft or something.I'll find out when i get em checked (again) what the problem was. Not that it matters much.... God it runs good now! From the first week in May-labor day, the Falcon will be running charters 7 days a week, (again). She is a worker, and I put 700 brutally hard hours on her every season. Getting tired thinking about it!! meanwhile, a toast to the 31!!!
From the end of the road, in beautiful Homer Alaska,
Capt. Tony

Re: water pump impellers
Vic Roy -- 18 April 2000, at 9:57 p.m. EDT

Dug - a late nite thought - Marine Power, which is down the road from me in Ponchatoula(?) La. marine -izes the big block v-8's. They must have a stock of water cooled manifolds. Now, if you could talk them out of a set is another matter.

Might also try Overton's, the ski boat folks - their catalog lists a bunch of manifolds for gas v-8's.

Even if you have to stay at the dock, you are one of the few, the proud, the 31 Bertram.

See ya.

Vic

Re: water pump impellers
Vic Roy -- 18 April 2000, at 6:09 p.m. EDT

Capt. Tony - PLEASE freeze one of them big flounders for me to enter on halves with you in the Grand Isle Tarpon Rodeo in July. We win big bucks, and won't have to spend but half of it on bail. The lawyers will be free.

I have the Sherwood pumps too, but the sap-suckers can't get the numbers right. I saw some Jabsco impellers at a local store that looked about right. I have a Sherwood M12 pump, I think; the impeller is longer than the dia.; it has a round bore with a keyway. Do you have the numbers on the Jabsco handy? (don't go to any trouble, since Patrick put me with some folks that can read and write, as opposed to the ones I've been dealing with. In reflection, reading and writin' ani't their problem, since the last set of impellers they sent me was WTIH ONE OF MY OLD ONES IN THEIR G.D. HAND when they sent the wrong one which was about an inch too short along the bore.

Hope yo' vibration is a rope around the wheel.

Smooth salin'

Uncle Vic

Re: What a day...
Vic Roy -- 18 April 2000, at 6:02 p.m. EDT

Good Deal! Thinking is better than cutting. There are more ways to skin a cat than feeding it melted butter.

Mine is ready to come out of the coonass yard where it's been sitting on rusty 55 gal. durms for a week or so with them sandblasting all around it. Will need an acid wash for sure. Look out, mullet - hold your nose.

Mike - let us know how she runs. Go gently, and check the gear oil level a couple of times when you first goose it for the first few times. That gear oil cooler is a bitch for holding air on the oil side.

Uncle Vic

Re: What a day...
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 18 April 2000, at 5:44 p.m. EDT

I had a terrifying day Saturday, also, but with a happier ending. Trying to get this boat together enough to float again, and figure how to deal with new shafts that are too long. My machinist looked at the shaft on the boat, said that with the taper above the prop where it was, we couldn't move it (by cutting the front end) more than 3/4". He thought we could get a prop on without doing anything to them. Three marina "experts" looked at it Saturday and decided there wasn't enough room between the strut and rudder to get a prop on, and not enough room for a prop to operate anyway! Their opinion was to cut 2" out of my brand new cast bronze struts and move them forward! After crying into several beers, a marina employee suggested putting a wedge under the strut to keep the angle the same when moving my (already well bedded) struts forward. I didn't sleep much Saturday night. Sunday a friend with a 31 running 210 Cummins (he converted 2 seasons ago from 440's) brought me a 21" diameter prop bored 1 1/2" to try. I thanked him and set it down, then decided, what the hell, I should at least try. It went on! It came to rest a nice distance from the strut, and had plenty of clearance versus the rudder. Since I'm going to start with 20" wheels, I'll have even more clearance! It was time for celebration, chastising my "expert" friends, and I slept very well that night. Now to finish bedding the shaft logs and put the thing in the water!

Re: water pump impellers
Capt. Tony -- 18 April 2000, at 12:19 p.m. EDT

I don't know about the 250 s Uncle Vic. Ive got the 210,s and use a Jabsco impellor, cause I can never find a sherwood impellor here in Alaska. The one that i got from Cummins Northwest about 8 years ago was the WRONG ONE! It would be nice if those people got thier ##### together one day.
Ive got to pull the Falcon out of the water today, got some sort of vibration. It may be a bent shaft, but am hoping that i did not get a prop on tight enough or something. We shall see.
Had as charter on Sunday, caught a limit of Halibut(2 per person)one about 65 #. also caught 2 king salmon. The bay was flat like a lake. mmmmmm.
I put 36 inch trim tabs on her this spring, and I can't believe the difference. It is going to be wetter, and i have not had the opportunity to see yet, but I do believe that she will be able to go head into a 3-4 foot wind chop at 20kts without pounding! It makes a tremendous difference, and i'll keep you posted.
Good luck with the impellors
From beautiful Homer Alaska,
Capt. Tony

Re: water pump impellers
Dug -- 18 April 2000, at 10:02 a.m. EDT

Well, the silence is strong, but I love the posts following my whining!!! I know the only two things for certain are Death and Taxes!

Barr Marine is back ordered to the factory for their manifolds for the next 3 months. Land and Sea has been back ordered since Christmas of '98, and Kellogg has been backordered since August of '99, so Barr will not be the brand. Looks like it will be Aqua Power or Osco, which makes Aqua Power. Aqua Power has apparently been bought by the same company that owns Sierra, so they should be good regardless. Unless someone can get me the Barr's then I am going with the Osco's. I am in favor of going with new Manifolds, just not in favor of expending a few more units. However, I got myself into this mess, I will damn sure get myself out!

Here are the parts and prices I am getting through Boatscape.com. Tell me if I can do better elsewhere!

Barr parts:
CM-1-5972-A Manifolds (I need 4) $179.99 each
CM-1-5972-B Front End plates (I need 4) $18 each
CM-1-5972-C End plate gasket (I need 16) $2.10 ea.
1-0067 Exhaust end plate w/2.5" NPT threads (I need 8) $30.25 each

Osco Parts: (I don't have all the prices yet...)

7081 Manifolds $199
121 - Gaskets
150 Front end plates
7081-E Back plates

I need the threaded endcaps to get the exhaust piping around the electronic ignition modules, though I am fully expecting the modules to blow, that would be my luck!

Let me know if I am getting screwed, or if anyone can get the Barr's for similar pricing!

I guess it is all Units, but had a good weekend, and short of the motors, and a good vacuuming of the bilge, the waters of the northeast are about to be invaded by another Bertram 31! And you are right, I am lucky to be one of the few!

Dug

Re: water pump impellers
Vic Roy -- 18 April 2000, at 6:08 a.m. EDT

Thanks Patrick - I'll get in touch with them this morning. Article in the local paper this am that average joe works 124 days to pay federal, state and local taxes. The rest of the time we work for the women and the boats.

My 31 is about to come out of the shipyard and looks good. I'm going to take a photo of my new steering tie rod with the attachments for the autopilot follower, etc. The guy made it up from 1 inch s.s. rod and s.s. angle. It ain't going nowhere soon.

Only 123 more days to work for Uncle.

Vic

Re: water pump impellers
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 18 April 2000, at 5:28 a.m. EDT

Uncle Vic,

I was wondering about the echo in the halls myself... Figured that maybe a day of morning was in effect.

John Wheatly is owner of Florida Marine Tech and is an authorized Cummins Dealer here in the Palm Beach area, 561.844.7007, and could get your parts. Seems pretty absurd that Cummins Southeastern won't sell to you.

Also, Bruce, while not a factory rep, can get them for you... Bruce Creamer - Southeast Marine Sale and Service http://sourheastmarine.com/ 561.622.1763

Hmmm.... Guess we're all working for the government for the next 4 months.. Or has that figure gotten longer too...?

Best regards,

Patrick

Bruce (Mechanical Editor USAMARINE.net)

water pump impellers
Vic Roy -- 17 April 2000, at 9:48 p.m. EDT

Where is everybody? Taxes that bad?

Let me ask a simple question that Cummins Mid-South cannot answer, but Cummins Miami can, but won't sell to me 'cause I'm in the worng state: HOW THE HELL CAN I GET SOME WATER PUMP IMPELLERS -THAT FGIN' FIT for my 6BTA Cummins 250 hp's? I'm pretty good at this parts crap, but this is nuts.

I had the factory fax me the spec sheets for my serial numbers, and ordered the kit for the Sherwood pump - got the right numbers on the box. The impellers were an inch too short. I used to order them and they came in a bubble pack and fit. Is Uncle Vic missing something, or is the parts dept at Cummins Mid South still celebrating Mardi Gras?

Plus, after working all weekend, the only thing that comes to mind is the cajun whoop = AIIIIIIEEEEEE!!!!!!! Which covers a range of emotions.

Bon Soire

Vic

Bertram # 18
Carl -- 16 April 2000, at 4:08 p.m. EDT

Capt. Patrick,
#18 from "Can you ID" The Bertram belonged to Capt Frank, but I Just spoke with his son today and it's been several years since it's been sold to a guy from New England. Man time flys. Carl.

Re: What a day...
Vic Roy -- 15 April 2000, at 9:06 a.m. EDT

Hey Jeff - get an automatic extension for all of your clients and go fishing. I've got to go to my office and work on a g.d. brief that's due next week; I'm on my 20th cup of coffee. I don't wanna go, but I guess I'm gonna sell most of this weekend to Uncle Sam so I'll have enough units to pay Uncle on Monday with my auto. ext.

Debits on left, Credits on right; I still have it tatooed on my hands from my days at LSU where I got my undergrad in acct. Didn't last too long in public acct - found myself doing an audit of a hospital on a Friday afternoon counting a half empty box of Trojan rubbers. Drove me to law school.

Vic

Re: What a day...
Jeff -- 15 April 2000, at 8:56 a.m. EDT

Boys, yaw'll need to stop that so early in the morning on April 15. I've still got tears in my eyes and my stomach hurts from laughing so hard.
I've got too many tax returns to do today! I'm sittin' here at my desk trying to make more units to spend on the Cold Duck after April 17.....

Re: What a day...
Vic Roy -- 15 April 2000, at 7:58 a.m. EDT

Sonny - it was a Hickcock, built in Bradenton, Fl. It had the lines of a lobster boat - long and narrow, 45 x 12. It would make about 10 kts when it was feeling its oats. It had a "new" gen set and five electrical systems: 220 110 32 12 & 6. I had it for about 5 years before I discovered another 32 vdc gen set in the bowels. I crawled up to it, hit the switch, and it cranked right up. The topsides had been painted with rubber swimming pool paint. I tried every substance known to man to remove it, but it's probably still on the old sucker. I sold it to the local coroner. Had a lot of fun on the cheap with it. It had so much rocker in the keel you could run the bow up on the beach just about anywhere. Had a 32 volt dynamotor to run the HF radio that sounded like a jet turbine when it cranked up - put out about 600 vac. I could talk halfway around the globe with it.

Paid $2500 for it and sold it 7 years later for $8500. Boats are great investments, like the stock market. I just spent several units on my 31. Units - I like it.

Vic

Re: What a day...
Sonny -- 15 April 2000, at 3:14 a.m. EDT

Let's not speak money when it comes to boats. Units is the better phrase. Pending on your budget, spending units on your boat sounds better than dollars.You can also adjust your units to your budget, one unit could be a $100, or a $1000. It just depends on your pocket and devotion to your boat. By the way, years ago I had a 31 Prowler with 305 Cheve block engines. Had both engines rebuilt( short blocks), and thought I was ready to cruise the Bahamas. About 10 miles out of Walkers, the stb. engine went "poof"On one engine, and entering the inlet, the other engine goes "poof" As the seas were calm, the rescue was easy. When we checked the oil, it looked like Ovaltine, or brown milk. An oil change, and four Barr manifolds later( and 5 units I had to pay to rent an airplane) all was right again. So happens, I took the manifolds back to FLL, and had them pressure checked. All four checked ok! Of course they wern't, but they checked that way. My lesson with gas engines, when the head comes off, put on new manifolds! Also, Unk. Vic, was that a Higgins you had? They were built in the bayou and great sea boats.

Re: What a day...
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 14 April 2000, at 6:42 p.m. EDT

Vic and Phil,

No more truth could be added to your comments. both on Phil's approach to preventive maintenance, and Uncle Vic's comment on being a member of the elite... A B31 owner.

Dug,

Always remember... The definition of BOAT, any flavor, is: B reak O ut A nother T housand...

Pagis Pro has been vaporized, Eudora re-installed, corrupt .dll's eradicated and all is well in computer land again... **For the moment**

If Bill Gates built boats, Bayliner would be a shinning star in comparison!

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: What a day...
Vic Roy -- 14 April 2000, at 5:56 p.m. EDT

Well, boys, it was quite a day for sure. Uncle Vic been bustin' his nuts all day to figure out some litigation b.s. and had someone just now tell me the stock market went to sh--. Uncle Vic learned his lesson in 1987. The good news I sold out of the sucker to buy Miss Elaine her dream house about 2 months before it crashed. Ain't been back to any extent. Makin' money at what you are good at and keeping it is preferable to trying to shoot dice.

I see Barr advertising everywhere that they make manifolds for all the gas V-8's and promise quick delivery. All my gas boats ate manifolds except one. It was a 1947 45 foot Hickcock "sorta sportsfisherman" that was built of cypress in Floriday. It had two army surplus straight-8 Chrysler flat heads in it and was seawater coolded. The engines had giant seawater strainers and you put some bluish crystals in the sea strainers, and they slowly dissolved. The engineer I bought it from told me the stuff plated the inside of the engine and manifolds. I took one of those 6 foot long flat heads off to fix a stuck valve, and sho' enough, the water passages looked like they had been coated with balack glass; it did not restrict the flow much. I wonder what the stuff was? I used to have a bag of the crystals in my shop, but put 'em on the driveway with the paint chips.

Cheer up - you are only one of the 1,500 folks or so out of x billion that own a 31 Bertram. Could be worse - you could have a Bayliner.

Uncle Vic

Re: What a day...
Phil Pickford -- 14 April 2000, at 3:40 p.m. EDT

Dug,
Give me all of the part numbers or engine info and I can source the manifolds for you. I am working in Seattle until June and parts are readily available here. Let me know what you need and I will find it for you.
The best thing that could of happened to you is to learn about the manifold problems now. "Cooking" the engine is the number one reason for engine BIG money trouble. I would seriously look at the oil coolers and water heat exchanger to possibly switch out all at once. Much cheaper in the long haul to do it correctly once.

Re: What a day...
Dug -- 14 April 2000, at 2:36 p.m. EDT

and I now know there is a 4 week lead time for these to be available. From just about anywhere. The factory is back ordered...

damned engineers!!! Giggle...

Re: What a day...
Dug -- 14 April 2000, at 2:35 p.m. EDT

Well, I reckon that is true. I guess I am looking at the overall picture too much here. I can nickel and dime myself that way to a fault. You see Capy, I know that the motors that I just paid to have rebuilt, now that they will have new manifolds, will surely develop some other issue. It is kind of my luck... As manifested by my having to rebuild these in the first place. You are right, it is just adding up fast and i have not even begun the season!

I have not crossed the line to minimal amounts of upkeep. That is all...

Plus I am bitching and moaning a bit here, I know it...

Re: What a day...
capy -- 14 April 2000, at 1:55 p.m. EDT

Dug,

Remember, the manifolds you are replacing lasted for how long? 20 years? $800 bucks sounds like a bargin to me, considering the vtial function they perform..... an engineer's point of view.

Regards,

capy

Re: What a day...
Dug -- 14 April 2000, at 12:39 p.m. EDT

Add to all that what is apparently manifesting itself as technical difficulties here, or my inability to read!

Re: What a day...
Dug -- 14 April 2000, at 12:38 p.m. EDT

For some odd reason my previous post did not capture the real essence of the message!

I just found out that I need to replace all 4 manifolds on my "new" rebuilt motors... $200 a piece, and on and on... This all in addition to the gymnastics or spastics that the market is going through. Wow...what a spring so far...

Please someone tell me it is worthwhile! I need to hear it today... this is getting hefty!

What a day...
Dug -- 14 April 2000, at 12:35 p.m. EDT

Well, aside from the gymnastics, or spastics that the stock market is enduring today, I just found out that I have to replace all the manifolds on my "new" rebuilt engines...

Damn, what a day...

This spending thing is beginning to wear, despite the savings I am going to be able to gain through Boatscape! I know, I know, I am a boat owner. Vic, I think I will join you on the golf course...

Damn...

Dug

Re: Soundings 3/2000 B31 Article
capy -- 14 April 2000, at 8:29 a.m. EDT

Capt.,

There was a far better article, "The Boat that started it all" in soundings in 1993, history, customiztions etc. I have copy, and will try to get it to you do you prefer MS Word format or Rich text file?

Regards,

Capy

Re: Soundings 3/2000 B31 Article
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 13 April 2000, at 9:34 p.m. EDT

Dug,

I have the article, (Aug 98), as one of the ones that Tommy Drake so kindly copied and sent to me snail mail.

I had Jan's article scanned in by a local office supply for $50 and still had to spend over an hour deciphering the OCR butchery....

Decided to reload my Pagis Pro 97 on my newest computer today, hopefully to get some of the others scanned in with out any out of pocket... YRS! Now I've got software conflicts runnin' out my backside. Eudora is crispy fried and other strange things happening. Ain't computers great!?

Vic,

I kinda' figured that leaving the Bertram Owners Club tripe was a necessary evil for being allowed the privilege of re-publishing, but it'll also make for some hot threads maybe... I tired the fax number and it rang through to a fax machine scream, the phone only rang 10 or 12 times to fall through to a beep, defaulting to a voiceless answering machine...

Cap'n Mike,

Hope you framed everything! May be a collector's item some day...

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Soundings 3/2000 B31 Article
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 13 April 2000, at 6:58 p.m. EDT

I got a decal, a little stick on plaque, a membership card, and 2 back issue newsletters for my $45.00!

Re: Soundings 3/2000 B31 Article
Carl -- 13 April 2000, at 6:53 p.m. EDT

The Article was in the August 98 "Soundings" edition and writtem by Steve Knauth / Staff writer. Just a good guess or was the magazine in the top draw of my night table for two years, I'll never tell. Carl.

PS It took me a year before I realized the Club Was defunct.

Re: Soundings 3/2000 B31 Article
Dug -- 13 April 2000, at 5:02 p.m. EDT

Patrick,

You should try to get a hold of the Bertram 31 cover story from Soundings about a year and a half ago. It was titled "Best Boat Ever?" It was actually a great article, and I have to say I had it framed...I really did drink the cool aid with everyone else in this cult didn't I?

I will try to find out who wrote it tonight, and let you know tomorrow. Also, I will try to fax you another article from Offshore magazine from last winter...

Dug

Re: cabin door latch
Dug -- 13 April 2000, at 4:58 p.m. EDT

Vic,

You should only take up golf when it comes to comparing the house boat. Otherwise just build a driving range on the roof and let people rent the space to drive the balls....

Driving ranges make great money, and you won't have to pick up the balls!

Re: cabin door latch
Vic Roy -- 13 April 2000, at 4:25 p.m. EDT

Capy - the way the coonasses do it is they use a "special" concrete. I'm told it has chopped up fiberglass in it and actually has some tensile strength. Probably actually chopped up shrimp heads or something like that. Since the house boat does not move anymore, tensile strength is not too important. There are 8" I beams on the outside of the bottom, and two more dwon the middle, with 4x4 angle iron ribs about every 2 feet, so each compartment of concrete will be about 2 x 7 feet. I calculated the weight of the concrete at about 2 tons, but I have 3 feet of freeboard, so it should not go down more than about 1 or 2 inches.

Anyway, if it finally sinks, the concrete will be a good place for oysters to bed, and I'll just build a thrid floor on top of it and have an oyster reef in the cellar. What a pain in the ass. My wife says I should take up golf.

Uncle Vic

Re: cabin door latch
Ken Kurek -- 13 April 2000, at 3:33 p.m. EDT

You are 100% right. Those door latches stink. I had to kick my door in as well. I installed a dead bolt lock with key entry on both sides. I haven't decided on what to use to replace the latch. Since, I have the dead bolt, I don't need anything elaborate.

Re: Soundings 3/2000 B31 Article
Vic Roy -- 13 April 2000, at 3:04 p.m. EDT

Dug - me too. Not a real club.

vic

Re: Soundings 3/2000 B31 Article
Dug -- 13 April 2000, at 2:14 p.m. EDT

The only thing I would watch out for on this article is the owners club. It costs money, and I could never get a response! I tried for 6 months...

Soundings 3/2000 B31 Article
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 13 April 2000, at 1:09 p.m. EDT

A glance around the large storage yard at Worton Creek Marina near Chestertown, Md., reveals two classic but tired Bertram 31s side by side. Bertram 31s seem to pop up everywhere, in and out of the water, some looking better than others. Bertram 31s seem to pop up everywhere, in and out of the water, some looking better than others. Coming across older Bertrams in boatyards, back yards and barns is not unusual; these tough and sturdy fishing boats with deep-vee hulls were heavily built to last.(more... http://bertram31.com/articles/soundings/sound3200.htm )

Best regards,

Patrick

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Soundings 3/2000 B31 Article

Bertram31 northeast2000
Capy -- 13 April 2000, at 12:20 p.m. EDT

Anyone intrested in attending the first ever Bertram 31 rendezvous, should see the link in my previous post under the same name as this one. Champlins marina on block island can accomadate up to 250 vessels @ $2.50/ft/night, with a 2 night minimum for advance reservations. One could wait and "wing" it but you might have to anchor out and miss getting a slip. The marina is booked up all the way to the fourth of july weekend, august 12 is wide open and I for one will be there! I Have never been to block island but have been told it is a lot of fun! If you do reserve a slip drop me a note, so I'll know to look for you.

Regards,

Capy

Re: cabin door latch
Capy -- 13 April 2000, at 11:38 a.m. EDT

Vic,
Hollow Concrete makes excellent floats but it needs to be pre-stressed in all three axis, x,y and z in order to survive any kind of loading. A few years back me an a friend o' mine did some design work for some shyster out of florida who planned to market concrete floats to marinas. Prestressing the rebar was tricky, but the few hundred that were made had a design life of perhaps a 150 years! I do know the venture failed, however, as the damn things were as expensive as military hammers! During the eighties it seemed people would buy just about anything...

Regards,

Capy

Re: cabin door latch
Vic Roy -- 13 April 2000, at 10:35 a.m. EDT

Patrick - thanks. I spoke to Merit this morning and they still make the model you suggest; its a mortise set, and I'm probably going with a rim set; they are faxing me some info.

Thanks again.

Vic

Re: WATER LINE
Dug -- 13 April 2000, at 10:25 a.m. EDT

Chris,

Most 31's that I know, including mine, simply paint the bottom to the reverse chine, make the chine flair a bootstripe, and then paint the rest of the hull.

It is fairly simple that way, and very easy to tape off...

Re: WATER LINE
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 13 April 2000, at 9:10 a.m. EDT

Chris,

Fully loaded, most of them rest with the chine just below or right at the water. If you strike your line about 3" higher than the chine at the transom, and bring your bottom paint to that mark you'll be pretty close. Just follow the contour of the chine through to the bow. Other than dropping it in the water, it is somewhat guess work...

Dickie Nagel's image is a pretty good indicator..

Best regards,

Patrick

bertram 31 - bertram31.com images

WATER LINE
Chris Wilson -- 13 April 2000, at 7:04 a.m. EDT

As you know I am busy with a refit and am about to repaint the hull.

Is there an easy way to set the waterline other than line of sight and guesswork?

I know that it will vary according to weight etc. I expect to be close to the standard weight when we go back into the water. My boat is fitted with Detroit 4-53N diesels and I do not have any extra weight from generators, tower etc.

Any advice appreciated.

Thanks
Chris Wilson

Re: Best looking 31
don -- 12 April 2000, at 10:40 p.m. EDT

I hadn't noticed , but you're right... there is a rocket launcher in that picture! Personally, I'll stick to my pompanette chair, it never talks back.

Re: Foam around fuel tank
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 12 April 2000, at 10:14 p.m. EDT

Thanks Vic!

Sleep...?? What's that? Can I get some at the local marine supply? Does it come in cans or tubes??

I'm usually up and at it around 4:30 or 5 AM and seldom get to bed before mid-night. Too many irons in the fire....

Check your other post for the Merit Metals contact...

I **may** be d' man, but Uncle Vic's Stage One!

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: cabin door latch
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 12 April 2000, at 10:07 p.m. EDT

Uncle Vic,

The Hatteras door lock set you saw was probably made by Merit Metal Products...

Merit Metal Products Corp.
242 Valley Rd.
Warrington, PA 18976
phone: (215) 343-2500
fax: (215) 343-4839

Lewis Marine used to carry them, but they don't show them in the new catalog. The old part # was 20367 under Fig 2019. The 1992 price was over $200.00. This is the lock set that I used on "Fortuna" and is pertty much the top of the line in marine lock sets. It requires a minimum 3/4" door thickness and has a 1 5/8" back set.

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Spending that kind of money on a boat is easy in the Palm Beach area... If you're not a hands on type guy and just turn you boat and projects over to a yard like Rybovich-Spencer, your money will evaporate faster than acetone fumes, especially if there's a lot of one-off custom work.

Keep up the posts Uncle Vic, we love your coonass ways!!

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Foam around fuel tank
Vic Roy -- 12 April 2000, at 9:57 p.m. EDT

Patrick - you are the man! I was about to give Tommy my advice, but I knew it was shoot from the hip. To see your nail-it knowledge makes ole Uncle Vic's heart warm.

Now - get yo' butt to work on my door latch set problem!

You must be working your butt off, based on the times you post stuff to this (your wonderful) site. Do you sleep?

Again, Capt. Patrick - YOU THE MAN!

VIC

Re: Foam around fuel tank
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 12 April 2000, at 9:42 p.m. EDT

Tommy,

Clear Coat Expandable Urethane Foam is a 2 part system & is what I use. Lewis Marine carries it as Fig #1387, the two quart unit is part # 5623, two gallon is part # 5621. The expansion rate is 2.5 cu ft per two quarts, at a 2 pound per cu ft density. You local marine supplier should have access to it.

ShopMan in West Palm Beach lists another brand on their website @ http://www.shopmaninc.com/foam.html

You can also use the one part stuff found at places like Home Depot, but it's rather erratic in how it cures, depending on volume, since it cures on contact with air. The center of your mass isn't going to get air once the skin is cured and will continue to expand slowly over time. This can be a real big headache once you close everything up and then your floor starts bulging up...

Before you foam in your tank.... If it's a metal tank, (aluminium or monel), cold tar coat it so that moisture isn't going to get to it.

Wrap the tank in visquine or other plastic sheeting before pouring in the urethane mix. After it kicks you can trim up the excess foam and cut away the plastic sheeting from the top of the tank. This will allow you to later remove the tank without having to dig it out of foam, should it need to be removed.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Teak and Holly sole installation?
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 12 April 2000, at 8:55 p.m. EDT

My teak and holly sole was made from pieces salvaged from a wrecked 52 foot Wheeler (lot's of my stuff came from bigger boats!). May not look as snazzy, since I cut it to fit myself, but sure was cheap. I sanded and varnished, will probably have to do it again after the engine transplant, and figure I'll cover it with carpet when offshore with paying customers.

cabin door latch
Vic Roy -- 12 April 2000, at 7:45 p.m. EDT

Uncle Vic lookin' for ideas. Over the years I've had about 4 of the original Perko cabin door locks break on my 31. One or both of the pawls in the lock mechanism - which are made of the wonderful material know as pot metal - just snap in half. This usually results in not being able to open the door, and recently I had to kick the g.d. door in. I even tried to machine some s.s. pawls, but could never get them right. It occurs to me that a flush (surface, rather than inside the door itself) mounted lock set would work better. I remember being on a big Hattaras once and admiring the s.s. surface mount knob and lock set. I'm getting ready to remove the door and jamb and bring it home to do something.

Looking for ideas.

By the way, being the coonass I am, I'm gonna concrete the houseboat.

Finally, my shipyard guy called today to inform me that my port shaft had a crack inside the coupling at the gear. I told him to hit it with a hammer and see what happened. It broke - $400 problem, but did not happen 80 miles offshore. Lesson - beat on the stuff, check your steering and rudders, the hoses, all the stuff that makes your 31 move, VERY carefully while on the dock. These boats are old, and bullet proof if the proper care is taken. Geezz - would you take a
30 year car on a heavy trip without looking under the hood.

PS and finally, the article on Murray's boat is interesting, but how the heck he spent $175,000 fixing up a gas boat is not evident in the photos. Inflation, for sure.

Uncle Vic out of gas; bye

Re: Bertram 31 Express Cruiser
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 12 April 2000, at 5:47 p.m. EDT

My adress is 3327 FM 523, Oyster Creek, TX 77541. I'd be glad to reimburse postage by return mail. Thanks.

"Finest Kind" Jan Fogt's Article
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 12 April 2000, at 5:30 p.m. EDT

For those of you who missed Jan Fogt's article on Ed Murray's "Finest Kind", (Florida Sportsman, Dec. 95), here it is!

http://bertram31.com/articles/finest_kind.htm

Best regards and enjoy,

Patrick

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"Finest Kind" Jan Fogt's Article

Foam around fuel tank
Tommy Drake -- 12 April 2000, at 4:14 p.m. EDT

You guys are a great resource, so let me know your preferred product for foaming in a fuel tank. I've had to pull mine for repairs, and the foam was holding water/moisture. The tank is a heavy gauge welded aluminum (250 gals). Thanks! Tommy ('62 SF, Hull #266)

Re: transom door
joe amato -- 12 April 2000, at 12:17 p.m. EDT

A hearty don't do it. Water in the cockpit when you back down, doors being ripped off if left open at inappropriate times, hull integrity, etc.

If getting large fish over the side is the issue, there's a couple of things you can do. If you have a tower, use a block and tackle. If not, we use a come-along and a piece of plywood to keep the fish from getting banged up.

Re: Overboard Generator Exhaust
Dug -- 12 April 2000, at 9:48 a.m. EDT

Makes total sense. I thought it would require a larger port for the exhaust if I vented a generator into it, and actually did not even think about the outflow raw water monitoring. Well, I guess it is a good think I have an inverter!

Re: Acid Cleaner
Vic Roy -- 12 April 2000, at 8:31 a.m. EDT

Bill - down here on the bayou they sell a miracle solution called Alumabrite in gallon jugs which is hydrocloric acid. It is great for rust stains and that yellow scum around the waterline. Wear gloves.

Vic

Re: Autopilots
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 12 April 2000, at 8:21 a.m. EDT

Bill,

Option #3 is the direction I'd take... The money you've spent on the upgrade is water under the bridge by now. Go for new!

Best regards,

Patrick

Overboard Generator Exhaust
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 12 April 2000, at 8:09 a.m. EDT

Dug,

The easiest way is, of course, to add another hole in the side of your boat and exhaust directly. Without the addition of an AquaLift muffler, this is going to be a hellova noise maker. With or without the muffler, the advantage of exhausting straight overboard is that you can easily monitor the raw water discharge.

Running the exhaust tube back to the transom and dumping into the top of the engine exhaust tube is a "cleaner" installation and will maybe allow you to leave the muffler out of the equation. The disadvantage is that you no longer have the ability to see the raw water flow from the generator while the main engine is running. You can extend the gen exhaust tie-in through far enough to be flush with the main exhaust opening for better visual monitoring, but this decreases the dimension of the main exhaust, so you'd probably have to increase the diameter of tail section.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: transom door
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 12 April 2000, at 7:43 a.m. EDT

Ralph,

A hearty **DON'T DO IT**....

A lot of engineering and built in secondary structural support have to be factored in to this modification. It's not just a simple "cut it out and make it look pretty" project.

The B31 doesn't have the molded in "two wall" gunnel/combing cross section, such as found on Hatteras, Viking, Post, etc. Cutting out the gunnel, without adding some serious structural reinforcement combing, will greatly reduce the strength of your transom and detrimentally increase the flexibility of your hull.

A door cut only into the transom, without breaching the gunnel is not as bad, but defeats your intended purpose.

Best regards,

Patrick

Re: Acid Cleaner
Capt Patrick McCrary -- 12 April 2000, at 7:27 a.m. EDT

Bill,

There are numerous acid washes that are effective for removing rust and other inorganic stains from your hull. Most are listed specifically as hull cleaners, and will usually contain either phosphoric or oxalic acid.

As with most "boat products", the ingredients that you pay for are astronomically more expensive that the individual components. If rust or tannic acid stains are your principle problems, try a product called "WINK", available at most grocery stores. It's a water and phosphoric acid solution that is very effective and relative inexpensive. Try diluting it by 50% with water if the stains are not too heavy.

Be sure to wear rubber gloves when working with any acid based cleaner, especially phosphoric! Phosphoric doesn't burn and sting like most other acids, it just quietly and painlessly dissolves your finger nails at the roots...

Other named "boat products" of the nature of your quest are: "ON - OFF" hull cleaner, "FSR", and "FSL".

http://www.rustnot.com/BoatHullCleaner.htm
http://www.jollyroger.com.au/kitten/kitten.html

Best regards,

Patrick

bertram 31 - bertram31.com images

Rule Hull Cleaner

Acid Cleaner
Bill M. -- 12 April 2000, at 3:47 a.m. EDT

Several years ago I bought a couple of gallons of acid cleaner in Trinidad.It was great on the gelcoat,removes rust,stains,and leaves the hull spotless.Of coarse you don't want to use it to often,or get it on the aluminum.

The question is, is something like this available,and/or,what mite the composition be.It probably had some phosforic acid in it.

Bill

Re: Bertram 31 Express Cruiser
Bill M. -- 12 April 2000, at 3:31 a.m. EDT

In december I saw a 31Exp.in a barn yard on Rt.96 just south of Ithaca,NY.Anyone know who owns it?

Re: Bertram 31 Express Cruiser
Bill M. -- 12 April 2000, at 3:20 a.m. EDT

Try faxing.

Re: transom door
Bill M. -- 12 April 2000, at 3:16 a.m. EDT

Vics probably right about the door but I just had to have a swim platform.So,I just desined and built a fold up one that only sticks out about 4.5in.when folded up.Its about 92%done and looks good.I started with a "Butler marine"fiberglass platform.

Vic-I never complimented you on the analogie,bread crumbs and XXXXX's.Thats kind of like Tort and Retort.

As long as I'm up taking ibuprofen for the aches and pains;how about "bayouebarrister@??????.

Sorry I got off track,good luck.

Bill M

Re: Bertram 31 Express Cruiser
Carl -- 11 April 2000, at 10:27 p.m. EDT

I can copy it, but I'd have to snail mail it to you, as I don't have a scanner. Carl.

Re: B31 of course!
Sonny -- 11 April 2000, at 10:27 p.m. EDT

"BEST' mistake you will have ever made!

Re: Bertram 31 Express Cruiser
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 11 April 2000, at 10:21 p.m. EDT

I'd love to see that also, can you copy it?

Re: Bertram 31 Express Cruiser
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 11 April 2000, at 10:20 p.m. EDT

That's exactly what my other buddy said! When i told him the story, I kind of hesitated before syaing t-o-o-o-o, long! Thing is, we stuck a wooden dowel through the strut and shaft log, right up against the transmission flange, so I don't know how he got it wrong. I kinds suspect he just gave me some shafts as is, and hoped they'd be OK.

Re: Bertram 31 Express Cruiser
Carl -- 11 April 2000, at 10:19 p.m. EDT

I've got a brochure and a price sheet from the early 60's on our Express Cruisers. Not a whole lot of info but its something. Carl

Re: Bertram 31 Express Cruiser
Carl -- 11 April 2000, at 10:16 p.m. EDT

Better too long then too short, its tough streching them 4".

Re: Bertram 31 Express Cruiser
Capt. Mike Holmes -- 11 April 2000, at 10:13 p.m. EDT

My machinist friend cut my ahafts 4 inches too long, or they'd be installed as I speak! Oh well, maybe it'll be floating again next week. I'm also ichin' to go, but trying to hold it back 'til the boat's ready.

B31 of course!
Dave D. -- 11 April 2000, at 9:08 p.m. EDT

I just found this site this weekend and had to write in. On thursday I'm all set to write the check for a late 80's rampage 24 that was just r