Jim,

Talked with Mike from American Marine a couple of times today... Like you found out he's very willing to do the plexi work from an existing mold, but further elaborated that the biggest cost of making reproductions would be in die striking the aluminum channel molding, if that piece were also needed.

He gave me another name and company in the area to call, but too much s**t hit the fan today to get with him.

I'm scratchin' my head over the aspects of producing a mold myself. School may be out on that for at least a few days. How critical is your time element in needing to install? I know that you probably had thought, somewhere in the near past, that you would already have it done by now...

Best regards,

Bob,

Low ball him first, but don't insult him, you can count on new engines 20k gas or 40k diesel, alwgrip 20k electrical/electronics 10k, and thats with out any custom work/improvements.

Bare B31 hulls that are'nt beat up, don't need tabbing or deck work, routinely go for 15 to 20k. If it seems like alot of dough, think about this, a new 31 cabo goes for 290k and doesn't have half the pedigree of a B31. The B31 won't be going through shafts and transmisions every season. My boat has 20 year old machinery and runs great! And I only paid a fraction of the cabo.

regards,

Hi Ricky, welcome

As far as cables etc. are concerned I fitted 2 stainless steel 2" tubes from the dash each side of the v-berth walk thru up through the head liner and ran all cables to tower and flybridge through them. Electronics one side and hydraulics the other. I hope to post some pictures soon.

Rob,

I'm sure Capt. Pat (et al.)can give you more detailed advice, but I just bought a 76' Bahia Mar that has re-built (late 80's) Merc 454s that probably have a few more years (I hope!) in them. She needs a complete re-wire, new hydraulics, and mucho cosmetic work prior to new paint, but structually she's in good shape. I got out for around what your looking at, and have been told did okay (at least by the people that I agree with) Good luck!

I am looking to make an offer on a 31 Bertram. It's a late 70's early 80's model with an all fiberglass cockpit. It hasn't seen the water for two years but seems to be in very good condition(No dings or repairs) as far as the hull and non mechanical parts are concerned. One engine is shot, the other runs supposedly but didn't look too promising to the naked eye. The flybridge looks to need a little work but nothing major. No electonics or other accessories. The owner is asking 25K. Is this a reasonable asking price. I appreciate any help I can get.

Mike,
According to the McKnew/Parker Publication on boats, Bertram manufactured the 28 Sport Fisherman (no aft bulkhead) from 1971-83. Nothing mentioned about a hull hook. Hope this helps.
Tommy

Pat,

Please let me know if American is willing to make one from your old one. They indicated to me on the phone a willingness to do so if someone had a pattern. Otherwise I will be glad to buy your old one for the $150 plus etc.

Thanks for all your help.

Jim Bailey

Russ,

I'm doing all the work on the boat at Portside Marina in Morehead. Their lift can't get her out of the water, so she's always tied up in one of the slips. If you're in the neighborhood, please stop by and have a look--I'd welcome all suggestions! And by all means, please come by for a cold one any weekend, I'm sure I'll be there (wife willing) and always need supervision--It's great to know one of y'all is local!

Glenn,

Not a critical coordinate.. Due east of the cut and 200. Most of our action takes place between Lost Tree Village line and just south of the LORAN tower, in depths of 120', (slight ledge drop there), and 300'. Usually just looking for the usual indicators, (weed/current lines, color changes. birds, etc.), and praying for the luck of the draw...

Our sails are scattered and pretty much year round residents, congregating only in the late fall and winter months. The summer sail are almost impossible to apprehend without small live baits, menhaden and thread fins being the best, followed by small goggle eyes and pin fish.

The winter fish are usually a little on the ratty side, but the summer fish are fat and sassy.

Best regards,

Capt. Pat,

Glad to be aboard! To all that may be confused by the "Beach Bum" on the bow...We are at the beginning of our resoration and haven't gotten to painting the new name on yet, and thanks to all that responded to my "Where do I start" posting a few weeks back...all advice was well heeded (masks and bleach when removing headliners--black mold everywhere, replaced thru hulls, and are starting on the wiring this weekend; prettying up the outside is still quite a ways away!) Spent last weekend arse-up scrubbing twenty-five years of gunk off of everything in and around the bilges (Spray Nine really is great)wondering just what I'd gotten myself into with this restoration thing, then got to sit in the fighting chair with a couple of ice cold Kool-Aids watching a thunderstorm beat the hell out of Cape Lookout 10 miles east...Yea, it's gonna be worth it and not half bad now.

Anyone with any suggestions on how to get cables etc. up to the tower without it looking like such a rat's nest, let me know!

All the best,

Sorry that I have not responded in case anyone was looking for me - I am still searching on chart for Sir Patrick's hole/ledge 4 miles off Jupiter at 202 feet.

Hey Capy tell me about the Bertram hats Vic was wearing! availability,price & style.

Vic's probably on his way to the sinking houseboat, so I'll answer for him about the "monkey boats". Ever see a small center console offshore bouncing around, full of guys hanging on to everything, like a bunch of monkeys hanging on a tree? That's where the term originated.

Jim,

I'm going to try and contact American Marine tomorrow and see if they can duplicate the windshield using mine as a prototype. If they can do it without messing mine up, I may give them a shot at it since there will be others looking in the future. They may not be interested in messing with it, (bottom line mentality stuff), but they are one of the biggest marine aluminum moldings and windshield guys in this region.

If they decline it's yours... How does $150 plus shipping and handling sound?

Best regards,

Tommy,

You got a sharp eye... Also a bit of ghost image in the sky...

Send me a photo of you wiring *anything* and I'll see what I can do.... 'Corse Uncle Vic is evesdropping and is gonna' put you on the cajun lie detector. It's sorta' like the Christians and Lions gig, but with 'gators...

Best regards,

Patrick,
Great work on the photos! I never would have known that you "removed" that piling had you not shared your secret. I went to the photo you referenced, and the only way I could confirm the missing piling was by the reflection of the bridge in the water. You are a pro at deception, uh, I mean at enhancement. Now, if you'll create a photo of me "wiring" a 600 lb. blue marlin, I'll e-mail it to Uncle Vic to make him envious.

I'm still figuring all this out so bear with me. Other message got fouled up somehow.

Tommy,

Nope.... The only editing I did on the image with the sail was to remove that damned ever present cigerette from my mouth...

I'm also good at removing pilings from in front of B31s, (http://bertram31.com/img/bt07.jpg South Jersey Marina), and blow boats from the background of B50s, (http://afishingtrip.com/ N. Palm Beach, Old Port Cove Marina). There were about 20 ragbaggers on the hook behind DenDen that day...

Best regards,

Glenn,

Thanks!

Fished this morning out of Jupiter for 3 hours, four miles off, 202 ft, 2 for 3 on sails, one remora... Does that count? ;^)

Next time you've got the boat down in this area, call Wright's Helicopter Aerials, 561.863.4899, and have 'em send out the chopper to meet you. Drew does just about all the good shots around here and only charges you for the prints that you buy. He probably did the shot of Jamie MacGregor's "Double Mac" on the Images Page.

http://www.wrightsaerials.com/

Best regards,

Ricky,

Just posted "Miss Olive" on the Images Page. Welcome Aboard!

http://bertram31.com/images.htm

Best regards,

Paul,

The best thing about no screws and bungs is that the life of the boards are extended by over double. I'll try to dig out a photo or two of a set I did 3 years ago on a 37' Topaz FB. Still look brand new, Started out at 7/8 and he's only lost 1/8" so far. He surfaces down every 3 months with a finish sander and keeps them oiled. Got real lucky with the lumber and found two really first grade planks to work from...

Best regards,

Ric,

Thanks, I'll contact John Avila this afternoon...

Count me in when you get into West Palm. Which Wednesday are you targeting? Give me call when you get here and we'll hook up. 561.848.3366

Best regards,

Vic,

Glad you like em, you're right more oil than blood, the dirty bottom, feeding, lobster with fins.

Russ,

I believe vic is refering to the idoits who go fishing and bring their lunches on board complete with bananas for desert. Bananas have long been thought of as a jinx when it comes to fishing. Monkeys eat bananas.....there you go! "Leave your bananas on shore this ain't no monkey boat!"

regards,

Hey Capy - you are right, it sure is pretty. I'm wearing one of the Bertram hats you sent sitting here for Snow to show up so we can head down to the boat for a couple of days. Marlin look out - looks like the wind is blowing enough to push the grass lines around and chase the monkey boats away, so I should have it all to myself. Bertram Weather.

I didn't know cod had blood. I always thought it was that liver oil that made them go.

Ric

I'ld like to see that express at the ny boat show. Do you have any details on the boat or the show? NY will be a lot easier for me to get to for a day than miami.

Cabrera is back in a big way.,new building, new partner(english speaking),new molds ,different applications,.,No, they will not have a boat at the Lauderdale boat show for exhibition.,they will have a 31 express tricked out for the New York boat show in January. Yes they will have a booth in Lauderdale with Plugs and molds etc,,,location to follow later.,.,

Capt. Pat the new partner(cash infusion)would like to set up a link to this web page,,,and a working "association" with you.. His name is John Avila
and his phone# is 305-213-3177,,he would appreciate it if you you could call him..so that he and they might become part of our organization
their web site is .,.,classic 31.twoffice.com

I am flying in on wednesday to drive up to west palm to see the 3 boats they got going right now.,,,.,,.any one want to go???

for the record I am in no way ,shape or form a business associate of Cabrera.,.,I just appreciate quality,craftmnaship, and people who take pride in thier work,.,.,.,and he does!!!!

Vic,

It's a pride of ownership thing, teak on these boats really sets off all that whiteness. Besides, if you just keep it clean and don't oil it, it isn't that much work to keep it preetttyy!
I prefer natural, scrubbed teak under foot than plastic any day! I guess if I was guttin' tuna everyday I would probably feel different, but the just aint no fish in the ocean 'cept for stripers and cod and they don't bleed so bad when under the knife.

Patrick- I wish you did my cover boards...no screws and bungs? must be sweet.

regards,

Uncle Vic,

From the pivot axis on the enlarged blades, if each rudder is offset by 2 degrees, that's 4 degrees total and would give approximately 5/8" additional over a zero setting. My theory is to keep drag to a minimum while adding enough constant pressure against the blades to reduce or eliminate chatter. It really doesn't take much.

My rudders will be 10" at max with 8" aft of the pivot point.

Best regards,

Stan - may head down there tomorrow or Thurs to fish Fri and Sat. Moon phase is heading uphill, which is good. Call me: ofc 800 260 9908, home 225 927 6258. Maybe we can do something. I hear the Mars floater is hot, but all the monkey boats are getting suckered on a green/dark green rip way inside of it, about 25 nm out, and not burning the 2 buck gas to get out to Mars. I have a tank full of 65 cent diesel, so we can go for the price of a few shrimp po-boys.

Now wait a minute - not 2 degrees, it was 2 inches. I mean, crap, 2 degrees on a 8 inch rudder is nothing, like them things they call centimeters, or millimeters, or whatever. Jeezzz - when I was flying 2 degrees was about the tolerance for flying oceans. Patrick - tell me it ain't so - not 2 DEGREES?

Sonny - where are you when we need you? Which swimming pool are you in?

C'mon, help us out.

Uncle Vic,

Yeah, I remember he even got sorta' indignant... {GG}

The 2 degree toe in, (trailing edges closer together), is how I've always set 'em up. Sonny is pretty adamant that it's toe out, (leading edges closer together). Like I said, I don't really think it makes much difference as long as the angle is slight and not set at zero...

Come on Sonny, jump into the fray!! You're being all too quite...

Best regards,

Patrick

Russ - Uncle Vic lives, in a manner of speaking. Seems like we been thru this toe in and out deal before, but the good news is that Sonny is really back. I talked to him on the phone today, and he is the guru of toes. All I remember is we screwed with him so much about it everyone forgot whether in or out. I seem to remember 2 in. on the trailing edge toe in.

Jeeezzzzz! Man, am I glad I got no teak. I did teak covering boards on my B25 myself, and I just bent everything the coonass way - 10 ton hyd. jacks and chain. Worked out, but still had to clean, bleach, oil, etc, plus chicken dolphin blood is almost impossible to get off it.

Uncle Vic votes for spending the money in the machinery spaces, or maybe the bar.

Jeff,

Indeed Cabrera is outstanding for their workmanship and attenetion to detail. I'm hoping they can be tracked down at the Lauderdale show. They seem rather relactant to return may emails or calls...

Did you notice Jim's reply to your post looking for saddle tanks?

Best regards,

Glenn,

Neither... There's not enough crown in the transom to warrant it.

I assume your term "back saw" refers to kerfing. Kerfing only shortens the life expectancy of a cap rail and creates a problem with both potential voids and what to do about the edges to hide the kerfs.

The most frequent error I see on many covering boards is the use of face cut lumber. Granted it's damn difficult to find nice dimensional teak and anything much over 6" wide is harder still to find in quarter sawn stock.

Here's a solution that I've used on several occasions:

Figure your maximum width needed, which on the B31 will probably be within 10". Find a nice piece of 8/4 stock, about 60% of the final width needed, and have it resawn on a band saw and surfaced S2S. Open the two pieces out for a book match and have the two matched edges joined.

Decide on which face is to be down and resaw a spline channel 1/2" deep down the length of the edge, so that the channel is fairly close to the down face. There should be at least 1/2" of solid wood between the up face and the spline grove.

In teak, make up your spline stock to be slightly thinner than the grove and slightly less the width of the combined grove depths. Clean both groves and the spline stock with acetone, followed by denatured alcohol. Coat all mating surfaces with Gorilla Glue, (http://gorillaglue.com), insert your spline, align the second plank, and clamp it all down tight to a flat surface.

After a 24 hour cure, have your new plank milled S2S. The net result should be a bit over 3/4" and ready to use.

Make a templet from door skin to match your transom, allowing an extra inch of material at each end. Same for your side boards.

Set your teak side boards first and fit your transom board to match. Work from one end only at first, getting the angle cut to match as closely as possible. After you get this match, butt the transom board in tight, clamp it down securely, and using a good back saw, trace the joint all the way through for a perfect joint. (The kerf of the back saw is trimming both the transom board and side board equally.)

Readjust the transom board to butt the side board and re-clamp. Spring the other end down to overlap the other side board and mark your angle cut. Again, leave a bit of margin when you make this cut. Keep working it down until it'll almost snap into place.

Remove the clamps from the first end and drop the second end into place and re-clamp. Use the same technique with the back saw to mate this joint.

Clamp the transom board into place on each end and check your joints for fit. If the transom board is slightly short, adjust the position to have the same joint space on each end.

Make your final marks to fit the edges to the boat, plane to fit, and you're ready to install.

I prefer not to use screws and bungs in my decks and covering boards, (epoxy only), but if you do, pre-drill all of your holes with the boards in place, remove them and clean up all of the drilling debris.

When installing for the final time, be sure that they are *completely* bedded. Absolutely no voids to later trap moisture.

If you're interested in the Epoxy Only technique I use, check http://usamarine.net/cc/proj/deck/fdeck.htm

Have fun...

Best regards,

Russ,

I ain't touchin' this one with a ten foot pole!! {GG}

The main consensus is just don't have them straight, and only a degree or two either way is necessary. It's mainly to prevent rudder chatter since there's always a small amount of play in the system.

Best regards,

David,

Thanks! Suggestions noted and filed.. Second group would be covered in Ch 5 and "Buying from the internet...Trial and Tribulations" would be in Ch 6

Best regards,

Hi Pat,

Hi Jeff,

Carlos,

You, and all other Netscape Browser users, should be able to see the outline now... http://bertram31.com/the_book/index.html

Was a dumb formating error on my part; the browser wars are alive and well...

If any of you who use Netscape notice any page that you can't see or looks strange drop me a line and I'll check it out!

Best regards,

Carlos,

Thanks! You're the second person to mention that they couldn't pull up the outline... Looks like I'll have to reformat it for Netscape... Check back later this evening.

Best regards,

Patrick,

It seems that my 31 is the only one in South Africa. I am nearly finished with my refit and I will be posting some pics soon.

Capy - got the Bertram hats today. Nice. Thanks. I owe you. Tell Carol not to blush. She is a beauty, and beauty shows.

The response to the Call For Cash to support this site has been substantial. Those of you who have not sent just what you can (no one will know how much, but me, and You Can Trust The Lawyer) please sit down, write out the check to "Roy, Kiesel & Tucker Client Trust Account", put "B31" on the check, and mail it to Vic Roy, P.O. Box 15928, Baton Rouge, LA 70895-5928, and mark the envelope "personal". Also, since I have gotten some from folks that are not regulars on this site, how about including your email address so I can acknowledge other than by snail mail?

The response has been unexpected. I will be sending out a tally to the contributors, sans names, in the next week or so, so be sure you are counted within our number, as the dixieland song goes. Gotta go back to San Diego next week, so if I don't get the tally out, tough s--t, the week after will do.

Thank you, Thank you, contributors. Kool-Aid lives.

Thanks Vic for checking with Schubert, the guy I talked with was named Frank. Not enough left of mine to make a good pattern, Destroyed in transit when I purchased boat and moved it by truck to NC.

Thanks, Patrick, that's what I thought. We coonasses call it a "pad"; put some flat on the deep v.

Good news is I don't have it. By the way, Tommy Drake sent me the 1960 sport Illustrated article about the Miami-Nassau race and the "Moppie I" winning it. Facinating. Make sure it gets in The Book.

Uncle Vic

My 72 was surveyed (assume the surveyor looked) and reported 235. I have put 225 in it and it was still running. On the other hand, the coonass fuel dock may have had his hand on the scale.

Well, the point was that you guys came with some very, very, attractive ladies who obviously enjoy the B31. I happen to have been married to one of the same for 34 years, so I know from what I speak, or type. You guys are lucky, and I'm sure you know it. Very good-looking couples having a lot of fun. sorry I missed it, but wait till next year. Or till Lauderdale in Oct.

Well, welcome back, Sonny. Don't sound like fun. Call me. 800 260 9908. I'm coming to Lauderdale thurs - tues or so. We need to line up a place to go hoot where they will understand us. A downscale place, for sure.

Any of you S. Fla. guys know a place - barroom, etc - we can rent, or get a large slice of it for a nite? Place that is on the water where maybe Lee could pull up and we could get out pix taken with wild women? No negatives for sale, please; the 100 mile rule is in effect.

Sonny - give me a call tomorrow at the office on the 800 no.

Vic,

Yup, that one is mine, and I did do a double take on the outboards! That was a 26' Regulator w/twin 250 Yamaha's that was to make the trek to Nantucket that day, in the slop (3-6' or so...). Not a trip for me in an unprotected center console! Oh, the radar, a Raytheon R21XX, same as yours, must just look like a helicopter! I have a friend who was trying to get me to get the big radar, but I told him I like driving the boat right side up! That will still be possible as I got the go ahead from the insurance company today.

As for the girls, yes you are right. They were all awesome, and damned attractive. I would have made the trip if I was you, they are the whole package!

Jeff,

I'm counting you in for Lauderdale!

Are you still with the stock rudders? I've got the over sized ones available now... http://bertram31.com/parts/replacement_B31_rudder.htm

Best regards,

That wasn't PREDATOR. I never left the dock.

YO Sonny!

Thought ya' went to crap and the hogs ate ya'!! Good to have you back.

Glad to hear that you're soon to be wet again, (no pun intended). I know you've been going stir crazy in the mean time. You gonna' make the Lauderdale boat show with us? We're starting to get a gang assembled and Uncle Vic promises to get us outa' trouble... (I know he won't help keeping us out of it!).

Best regards,

Patrick

Patrick,

can't read my home e-mail while at work.

regards,

Vic,

The boat you refer to is Dug's, I believe and I am not sure that the other boat is PREDATOR,I got the name from Champlins log. By the way, I bet carol blushes when she reads your post.

Regards,

Uncle Vic,

It's a pad glassed onto the hull bottom from side to side and extending forward by anywhere from a few inches to a few feet. It's tapered to zero at the fwd edge and stands down a fraction of an inch or more at the aft end. In essence, it warps that hull shape at the back causing the boat to rise quicker in the stern under acceleration.

Done correctly, it can add significantly to the hole shot and reduce bow rise on bass boats and go fast rigs. Too much added angle an ya' get a real water plow...

Best regards,

Duhhhhh? Can't resist. What is a "hook" in the bottom?

Pete,

How's Ledgend coming? Launched yet?

Best regards,

Craig,

Thanks! I'll try to drag that info up...

Best regards,

Gerry.

JK,

Here's a new update for the Specs Page... Ought to help you out some. http://bertram31.com/specs.htm

Best regards,

Paul,

I kinda' doubt that more than a couple of B31s have had hooks added... Sort of a shade tree technique that came from the go-fast and bass boat bunch.

Did you get my email about captions? I'll put the finishing touches and corrections on your images page once I get the info.

Best regards,

Guys,

My 61 has no "hook".

regards,

Jim,

Did you call Bertram Yachts or Richard Bertram, Inc.? Richard Kidd and Renee are at R. Bertram, and they are usually very responsive...

I have an original flybridge windshield that is in pretty fair condition. Has one minor crack at a lower mounting hole, (going down away from the body of the windshield), and all scratches could be polished out.

Did you try contacting American Marine In Pompano? They do custom windshields and may have a mold... They're listed on the Links page: http://bertram31.com/links.htm

Best regards,

Jim - I'll call the guy I know at Schubert. I broke one of the side peices a few years ago and they had the mold in the attic of the place and made me a new one; hope they did not throw it away.

Dug,

Still looking for photos of the BI event and text copy to go with them from you, Richard, & Fred.

Best regards,

JK,

Whole smorgasboard of 'em on the images pages...

I'll take your suggestion under advisement and try to make an addition to the specs page in the near future...

Best regards,

Stan - wanna go catch a Blue next week? Maybe Wed thru Sat? Got a houseboat again, with a/c, etc at least in the upstairs. Snow says he's gonna watch you catch the next one. He finally retied the bucket harness after his fat ass borke it on the 450. We ready to go; even have the shift cable fixed, and the genset is running, so the a/c is gonna work. What a country - what a life!

Man! Who are those good looking babes on the Block Island deal. I guess I'm getting old, but if I'd known ya'll were bring that quality of women to the deal, I might have just flown across the country in the middle of the night.

Hey Capy - great pix - one of them looks like Capt Mike has Yamahas on the back of his 31, but I figured it out, its the one behind him. I like his 6 foot open array radar, too. Always wanted one that big to whoosh around. Mine is only about 3 feet and I feel puny. I bought some spanish anchovies in the glass jar, with all heads pointed down (how they do that?) today, and was thinking about you and Carol. Sorry I missed it. Ya'll might think about coming to the Lauderdale show in Oct. Sounds like we might have a B31 hoot.

anyway, a great photo gallery.

I am looking for pics of the different versions of the 31. I have read about the differences but would like to see them as well. Thanks in advance.

Fantastic Patrick!!!

Capy! Great pictures, and what a story!

Awesome! I am looking to try to get to Gloucester for Labor day, I will let you know. It will be by car unfortunately! We shall see!

Talk to you soon!

Gerry,

Been serious about finding more B31s since day one! Contact them all and let 'em know about the bertram31.com site and give out my address & phone number...

Email me your mailing address and I'll send you some of my business cards.

Best regards,

Gerry,

As you start grinding into the bare glass notice the color. If it's a deep green, like you'd find on other areas of the inside hull, then it could be factory, but I kinda' doubt that'll be the case. If there is a color difference, it'll give you a good guide as to where to stop grinding. Once down, keep the transom to bottom edge fairly sharp. Only round it over by about a 1/4" radius. Any more will decrease your following sea handling.

Before cranking up your grinder, you might want to take a look at this: http://bertram31.com/cc/proj/tips/fg_dust.htm

Have fun!

Best regards,

Gerry,

That modification was most likely done by a previous owner looking to save the cost of trim tabs... Grind it off.

Tabs for your set up would only be usefull for port/stbd trim if you have your boat loaded so that approximately 60% of your weight is aft of the fwd engine space bulkhead.

Best regards,

Patrick

Capy,

Received your material this afternoon. Thanks for everything!

I've updated the BI page and added "CAPY's Adventure" ( http://bertram31.com/block_island2000.htm ), so all you other guy's can check it out...

I'll get your photos scanned in and posted by the end of the day Sunday...

Best regards,

Patrick

Bill,

Thanks! Self publishing would almost be the only way for this book... I've got a couple of friends in the printing business and would need to find a binder. Haven't spent much effort in that pursuit, too far down the road. Just turning over a manuscript to a recognized publisher would be megabucks.

Publishing on C-D will be pretty much a breeze on this wad of wires I've got.

Email me with the info on your custom boats books... Is it a finished edition or still in manuscript form? Good luck on your Tuna Book!

Best regards,

Don,

Thanks! I just checked the outline link and everything was fine.. I did notice that the server was down for a while early this morning, but shouldn't have caused you a problem at 10:30 or so.

Changed your image file name just now... Sounds like a nice color combo, you must have a pretty fair hull for those dark colors.

Best regards,

Jim,

Craig,

Thanks! I'll definitely add that to the history chapter. If I find the book I'll let you know.

Best regards,

Lee - make the checks out to "Roy, Kiesel & Tucker Client Trust Account" and mail to Vic Roy, P.O. Box 15928, Baton Rouge, LA 70895-5928. Put "B31" on your check and mark the envelope "personal".

I have received a good response, so keep 'em coming.

I've been giving further consideration to authoring a book on the Bertram 31 and believe that I just might do it... Committing it first to C-D and maybe later looking into the possibilities of a hard bound edition.

I've developed a fairly extensive outline that comprises 13 - 14 chapters and 7 supplemental sections and I estimate, at this time, that it will take around 6 - 8 months to compile, edit, and be ready to offer publicly. A lot of the contents have been already amassed here on the website and other elements are being currently gathered at my shop.

I want to extend an open invitation to all of you to be counted into the contents. Especially with regards to including your own boats in the "B31s Around The World" chapter. Approximately 38 of you have at least one image of your boat on file with me. I'd like to get virtually every existing B31 in the world documented at least photographically.

At http://bertram31.com/the_book/ you'll find my current outline. Look it over and see if there are any other areas to which you may want to contribute. All contributors will of course receive recognition for any information submitted & used. Major contributors will receive a copy of the C-D at no cost and all other contributors will be eligible for a discounted price based on their contributions. At this time, I estimate the cost of the C-D version to around $40.00. (Uncle Vic will get a free copy just for being, well.... Uncle Vic!)

If you have material that you would like to submit, but want returned, let me know and I'll see to it that it is scanned or copied quickly and sent right back to you. *My return postage*... If at all possible, original materials and photographs are preferable so that the cleanest copies can be made.

Need my address? Just click the Mailing Address link or look at the bottom of this page...

Best regards,

Jim,

Stainless steel lags are fine and can be inserted at the same time as you fill the holes with the epoxy mix. Just make sure you work out all trapped air. Let the epoxy set up for about 6 hours and loosen the lags by a quarter turn. After the epoxy cures for 24 hours or more, retighten the lags.

Be sure to over size your holes so as to create a good epoxy anchor. Bigger the better...

West System epoxy is fine, but marine grade generics are just as good and cost far less. Check your yellow pages under Adhesives & Glue for a local supplier. My supplier is Glue Products, at http://www.shopmaninc.com/ but shipping might offset any price savings...

Best regards,

I'd like to stop in and meet the crew in Fort Lauderdale.

Could drive the boat up and make a picnic of it.

Uncle Vic - who is the check made out to again

Thanks,

Jim,

Take a look at my page on Hardware Mounting in Composites at http://usamarine.net/cc/proj/tips/sleeving.htm

Best regards,

Patrick

I will soon have available an oversized stainless steel rudder replacement for the stock B31 rudder.

The info will be developed at http://bertram31.com/parts/replacement_B31_rudder.htm

In the mean time, if you are interested in upgrading your stock B31 rudders, please let me know by emailing me at this address:

Best regards,

Oh, I figured you meant each, but I really thought I stole 'em! The prop guy owed me and a friend some favors. On top of that, he gave me a set of 15x15's for my 1 1/4" shafts the year before, and I sold them to a buddy for $200 - so my new wheels actually cost me $400.

Vic, in '79, we had a little tropical storm named Claudette that sat over my area and gave us over 50 inches of rain in 24 hours. No storm surge, no gale forse winds, just rain and a still southeasterly breeze that kept the tide from going out. My place on the bayou is on ten foot pilings, and I had 2 feet of water in the house. For about 3 days, I lived in a houseboat, sorta. Had a skiff tied to the front porch for transportation - my truck was under 10+ feet of water and wouldn't run so good. Last year we had a little TS that kicked the hell out of the Freeport area, had the highest water in 27 years - almost all of it salt water intrusion.

Yeah, Patrick, been there before with the hurricanes since I was the size of a dead mullet. Seen a bunch, some scared my butt off like the one in '47 (Hey guys, how would you like to be able to throw "47" around) that blew the huge gum tree down in my front yard, thankfully away from the house. I was 5. Then Betsy in 65 and Hilda in 66 or 67 that absolutely tore the crap outta my neighborhood and killed some folks right down the street. On the other hand, us "uplanders" in Baton Rouge are almost 35 feet above sea level, so the storm surge has to clean Stan out in New Orleans (if a big one hits, gonna be named "Old Orleans", or "Former Orleans", right Stan?) before his folotsam washes up in my front yard. The point is, if there is a point here, is that we down here live with the possibility of a big one. I get the impression that the South FL folks have diluted the hurricane gene pool to the point that they think a little one will kill them. I stand on the beach in Miami and marvel at the altitude of the land behind it. Solid 20 feet. Man, us coonasses would sell that real estate as mountain property. Hurricane season just getting started, but for you Yanks, it ain't like we gonna get washed out to sea, unless you hang over the back of the boat.

Finally, to my collauges - make sure them checks are in the mail: Vic Roy, Box 15928, Baton Rouge, LA 70895. Mailman been sorta light thru today.

Uncle Vic,

Let's hope she doesn't get her attitude back in a couple of days back in the Gulf. Frederick, in '79, did a similar number and ended up a cat 3 as it hit the Red Neck Riviera... Keep our fingers crossed.

You can count me in at Lauderdale. Planning on being there on Friday and Saturday. Probably drive back and forth...

Best regards,

Debby be gone. Big deal over nothin'. Southwest jet stream and the mountains took the wind outta her sails. Not like your ex wife, Sir Patrick, like getting gum on your shoe.

Looks like we might have a group of us Kool-Aid drinkers for the Ft. Lauderdale show. Maybe a groupie outing at some outdoor restaurant and bar to watch the roller bladers? Uncle Vic pledges to pick up the bar bill. Any takers?

Bertram in FL sells them for about $400.+, tinted or clear.

Jim - Schubert Marine in New Orleans custom made mine and still have the molds. A little pricy, but looks and works great.

Wayne,

Sounds like maybe your seals are shot in the helm. Which brand and model do you have? Does the wheel turn freely or can you detect some pressure? And is it turning the shaft equally? (Not slipping...)

Best regards,

Stan, Sorry about the reply straight to you, I misunderstood what you meant. I am still surveying the prop shops for advice, it is about coming in 50/50 pro and against. When I find out more I will definitely talk to you!

Hardy har har har... Vic, you maka me laugh!!!

I was in the Fish Tails over night on Saturday. Boat name is Predator. We had one YFT at 51 lbs (eating it tonight again) and one bigger one that broke off at the back of the boat. Both hit at night on fresh butter fish. Didn't have a touch on the troll. Of course I didn't spend much time at it, as the wind picked up. It took six hours to get back to Shinnecock.

Great trip, beautiful and clear but a little choppy from a moderating Northwester that slowed us down a little. The best part: we trolled into a cluster of about six boats just NW of the Fishtail, about 65nm off Montaulk. Only one boat caught anything while we were with them - you guessed it, another 31, the Devon (sp?). She had a doubleheader, probably albacore. Then a few minutes later we got our own doubleheader, also albacore. So there were two Bertram 31s out there playing nooky with the fish, and nobody else seemed to be catching anything that day.

The round trip was about 200 miles from Fishers Island (including five hours trolling). We were back at the dock 11 hours 20 min after we left, in plenty of time for barbecued tuna steaks. Total fuel burn: 110 gallons. The efficiency of diesels still surprises me. Could have stayed out there another day and a half!

I ditto what Richard said. The fours are smoother and have less vibration, but that's probably because folks who can afford 4's probably don't dally about getting a wheel that's a little bent fixed, where some of us po' 3 bladers live with it for a while. Plus, at lower rpm, the more blades the merrier, such as on a big displacement offshore supply boat where the engine is turning maybe 900 rpm thru a 6:1 gear, resulting in a 150 rpm prop, blade drag is mostly moot. On the other hand, on a gas boat, say a 31, where the engine is turning 3000 thru a 1:1 gear, or even a 1.5, the blade drag becomes a major player in the equation.

The legal code in coonass yards is "laundry be ready Thursday".

Hooray! The Non-Sinking Houseboat is back! They gonna hook up the electric, water, etc this afternoon, just in time to find out how strong they fixed it. Salvage and repair Tariff a little more than expected, but what else is new. NOAA probability of Debby strike by Sat: Ft. Myers, 15%; Panama City, 7%; mouth of Miss River, 2%. Expecting 105 kt winds by then.

Uncle Vic,

Think you and Russ are right... The latest tracking and forecast looks like it'll cut across the Glades, water down Sonny's lawn, take a deep breath of hot water and squint down on the delta.

Only reason it dropped back to TS status was the DR mountains sucking out some of the low end. Should be back to hurricane stats by the end of the day. The Glades are hot, flat and wet enough not to knock much of an edge off of it.

Wishing everyone in the path a load of good luck!

Best regards,

Patrick

I knew the day they splashed the New And Improved And Non-Sinking Houseboat the hurricane would come. Your roll of the dice, Chickens--t Insurance Company! Looks to me like it's gonna turn and graze the FL east coast and then maybe curve out over Jeff's wahoo hole. The water in the Gulf is so hot that if it gets in here we are screwed. Batten down the hatches and exercise the generators.

Capy - thanks re the hats.

Thanks Paul!

Looking like she's going to take aim on Miami, but the stream could pull it a bit north and closer to my neighborhood...

Best regards,

Patrick,

If it does head your way, yuo will be in our thoughts and prayers. I will be sending via snail mail, some BI stuff and some "vintage" B31 stuff your way today.

Regards,

capy

I just talked with Tom Oakes on the phone and one of our topics was Hurricane Debby... (Gotta' watch this closely - my ex-wife's name sake...)

Since others of you have your B31s down here, I thought you might want a link to the same Hurricane Tracker the I use: hurricane2000.com (http://www.hurricanes2000.com/FRMHUR2000.Html)

This bitch has all the earmarks of making her way to SE FL, rather than turning north as is more usually the case.

Best regards,

Patrick

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Statement as of 11:00 am EDT on August 22, 2000

an eye feature has continued to spin up and spin down in about 3 hours increments over the past 24 hours...and recon and radar data indicate that Debby may be wrapping up an eye again. Outflow has improved during the past 12 hours and the overall convective pattern has become more circular.

Initial motion estimate is 290/19. However...recent recon and radar reports suggest that Debby may be making another wobble to the west and is currently passing over the Virgin islands...and the southern eyewall may just skirt the northeast coast of Puerto Rico this afternoon. In the longer term...most of the model guidance has shifted a little more poleward with the ukmet model slowly tracking Debby northward through the central Bahamas in 48 to 72 hours. All of the global models maintain a weakness in the 500 mb ridge axis over the southeast U.S. And Bahamas...but the ukmet digs the northern U.S. Trough further south than any of the other models. However...even the ukmet model maintains the surface to 700 mb ridge to the north of Debby through 72 hours. As a result...the official track merely slows the forward Speed down to 8 kt in 72 hours rather than recurving the cyclone to the north. The official track is just north of the previous forecast and a little south of the GFDL model.

The rapid motion of Debby should keep any significant intensification from occurring for probably the next 24 hours... and in 36 hours...some southerly down slope flow off Hispaniola may hinder the intensification process. However...by the 48 and 72 hour periods...Debby should be clear of any land effects and be over 29c or higher ssts. The warm water and impressive outflow pattern would tend to favor significant intensification and Debby could possibly become a major hurricane at that time. In fact...the GFDL model takes Debby down to 937 mb in 72 hours. We are following the ships intensity model...which has performed well...until the inner core of Debby becomes better organized. Forecast intensities may be adjusted higher in the afternoon forecast.

Forecaster Stewart

forecast positions and max winds

Craig,

Denis' number is: 631.661.6494

Best regards,

whats your phone # and address---would love to talk to you about the 540's.

Denis,

Good talking with you a few minutes ago... Welcome Aboard!

Still waiting for your email, wasn't in my last download...

Best regards,

Patrick,

Thanks for the response.I am not using epoxi ,as in West,but epoxi primer (red),as in,say,Sherman Williams.The finish coat is epoxi paint.

As for the rest of you meat heads,come on down and I'll show you how it's done.

Get Your Own Personal Images Directory at Bertram31.com

Not everyone has access to a Web Server and their own personal web files. Nor do they want to go through the hassle, expense, and learning time required to develop and publish a website. But wouldn't it be nice if you could at least have your own personal images available for use on the web? Images that could be used when posting to the bertram31.com or other similar bulletin boards? (More... http://bertram31.com/help/my_images.htm )

Best regards,

Stan,

Elizabeth City is a pretty small community and only has one marina, (that I remember...), and I suspect everybody there knows each other. Try contacting The Pelican Marina and see if they have a recollection of "Dark Star". Also contact Coinjock Marina.

Pelican: http://www.atlanticcruisingclub.com/MarinaGeoList/No.Carolina/pelican_marina.htm

Coinjock: http://cruiseguides.com/iwfg/marinas/pages/075.html

Good hunting!

Best regards,

Ralph,

One technique I've used to track a leak down is to stuff paper towels into every conceivable nook and cranny and then hose the exterior hard. Going back then and checking to find the wet towels usually pin points the leak(s).

Best regards,

Bill,

Sounds like your approach is sound and the only addition I'd recommend is to give all of you clear epoxy a final coat of opaque epoxy paint, (which is probably what you're referring to as your finish coats...).

Best regards,

Uncle Vic, Tommy, & anyone else going to the show,

I look forward to meeting those of you who'll be at the Ft. Lauderdale show!

I spoke to Jamie MacGregor yesterday evening and will be using a corner of his booth as a meeting point. I'll call his secretary this morning to get a diagram of the location and post it later...

I haven't locked down the dates that I will be there, but it looks like Friday and Saturday at this point. I'll have my office phone transferred to my cell so you can track me down there, if need be.

Best regards,

Patrick

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Ft. Lauderdale Internetional Boat Show

http://www.showmanagement.com/ftlauderdaleinternational_frame.htm

Thursday, October 26 10:00 a.m. - 7:00 p.m. Dealer day Prime Time

Friday, October 27 10:00 a.m. - 7:00 p.m.

Saturday, October 28 10:00 a.m. - 7:00 p.m.

Sunday, October 29 10:00 a.m. - 7:00 p.m.

I might be able to help you out with the helmet and cam......I was a motorcycle racer in a former life.

I still do some instruction up at New Hampshire International Speedway. Northeast 31'ers will get a special rate next season.

Men, this internet is great. I put "Ft. Lauderdale boat show" in and got about a thousand hits. It is October 26-30 this year. I have been to the Miami show for years, and think the Lauderdale show is now better.

I used to stay in the Pier 66 there when I had a case for Uncle Sam down there in the late 80's, but it's probably a little pricey during the show. Anyone down there have any ideas of a place we could stay that has a sense of humor?

Vic, how come you never mentioned the shrimp shed ladies before? I once saw a really cute little blonde working on a shrimp boat offshore of Port Aransas. I figured she'd come back to port with the rest of the crew's money - they'd all have knife wounds from fighting over her! We had a comely lass for a deckhand on that charter trip, the capt would send her up to ask the guys on the shrimpers if we could tie up, and they'd give her bait - whatever they had. A friend said he pulled up to a shrimpboat one morning and two gals tried to hitch a ride back to port. Seems they sobered up and realized their husbands might be looking for them!

Gotcha, Capt. Mike - Lake Chuck is a nice town, but Lauderdale, it ain't. Mike O. - it is always the last weekend in October. I'll check and let ya'll know. I might even take my driver, Snow, in addition to my famous son (who can get us in all the cool stuff thru his sponsors) so we will have a d.g. driver, and since he's a retired cop, probably immunity from most misdemeanors and minor felonies.

I'll start some serious organizing. Maybe we can talk Bertram into giving us a tour of the factory and some perks. Hey, Capy - you tite with the gal over there that sent the hats? Tell her we will all wear the hats and do a daisy chain, or somthin'.

Maybe they won't understand coonass humor, hun Stan? I maen, if it's dead, you gotta eat it, right?

What are the dates?

Stan - spearguns and Elk? How you gonna hoist one of them big suckers up if you don't have an oil rig and your boat? Them flippers gonna make it hard to climb up the hills.

Well, I played hookey most of the afternoon, and it sure feels good. Gonna do it most of this week. Maybe go visit the Sinking Houseboat and sort of cover my eyes and peek at the carnage. "Bring checkbook" was the last I heard. Oh well, it's only money, and money is only good for women and boats.

Well, one whimp out of the Lauderdale show; any takers, like real men?

Hey Mike - what an idea. Any of you guys interested in going to the Ft. Lauderdale show in late Oct? I'm planning on going, and maybe towing son Capt. Brent along for laughs. Maybe stay in the same place and get a group rate or such. I usually go to the Miami show, but my group was so rowdy the last couple of years we had to let the APB's cool off for a while. Like forgetting what rent car co. we had gotten the car from, losing the paperwork, and driving around from place to place with the guys scanning the bar code in the trunk and shaking their heads. Fact that it was 6 am on a Sunday morning, raining cats and dogs, and none of us had been to bed at all, having rushed from the barroom to the parking lot. Not a pretty sight.

We could use the Sir Patrick Bucks for the bar bill.

Takers?

Perhaps we should have Patrick Bucks made up that would be redeemable for clears at the inevitable group soiree.

I'm using 20X22 four blade props with my Yannmar 230's and it's a smooth running machine. I could probably have gone to 23 pitch or a light cup, but I'm getting 2 mpg at 23 knots. What more can you ask for?

Dug - 4 blades would be a great idea for you, so when you throw a blade you will still have 3.

Hi all,

Since this busted blade thing has gotten me into the need for another set of props (i used my spares to replace the broken ones) I am wondering if anyone has experience with putting 4bladed props on the Bertram 31. It is a heavy load, which matches with the application, and I think it will improve efficiency at cruise, and smooth any vibration down a bit. I know I will lose top end, but I don't run the boat at that speed for any other reason than performance measure and not for long! What do you think, is it worth investigating?

Sounds good, I can probably do shelter Island as well, if I am eager to risk the props again!

Glenn - the donations deal has nothing to do with the screen saver, it is just for folks that would like to contribute and remain anonymous. You are obviously free to send Sir Patrick Units direct for the screensaver or otherwise.

I also offer my 31 for a second opinion on the bilge cleaning and coating experiment, and will provide lodging on the Sinking Houseboat, cajun food, booze, and a free shot at the ladies that work in the shrimp shed.

Mike - that's some serious machinery you got there. But is that a real wood spoke steering wheel?

By the way, the response to the call for cash has been great. Not only will your name, but the amount you gave, reamin anonymous. The accounting I will give contributors from time to time will be statistical only. I did get one email questioning the sanity of sending money to a lawyer who promised to do right with it. My response was that since your check will be stamped with our law firm client trust account deposit stamp, Uncle Vic knows of a helluva lot better ways to steal your money than that.

Make checks out to "Roy, Kiesel & Tucker Client Trust Account" and put "B31" on the check. Mail to Vic Roy, P.O. box 15928, Baton Rouge, LA 70809-5928, and mark the envelope "personal".

So far, so good. Don't forget to send what you can, and I will acknowledge all contributions so you will know it got here.

Capt Mike,

Here's your personal image directory... http://imra.net/capt_mike/tn.htm

Best regards,

Harold,

I got your request for the Screen Saver download, but your email address didn't come through... Email me directly with it so I can let you know when your download is configured.

Thanks!

Best regards,

Paul,

That's where we put it on "Fortuna"... Tremendous space saver. Salon fully open. You can add a curtain across the companionway for perceived privacy.

Best regards,

Well, just got back from San Diego, and man, it is HOT here - about 98, but cooler than the 103 in Dallas a little while ago.

I have received some donation responses and will follow them up. Here is the deal:

1. donations to support this wed site should be made payable to "Roy, Kiesel & Tucker Client Trust Account" and put "B31" on your check. Mail to: Vic Roy, P.O. Box 15928, Baton Rouge, LA 70809-5928, and put "Personal" on the envelope.

2. I will have our accounting dept make a copy of each check prior to deposit for records, and forward the money in batches to Capt. Patrick. Your identity will not be disclosed unless you specifically direct me to do so.

3. I'll give contributors an accounting from time to time. There will be no administrative costs charged, so 100% of the funds will get where they are intended.

SO - SEND SOME MONEY, GUYS!!! Any amount will do.

Recently I've read several comments on the surface finish of under deck components.
I would appreciate comments on how I am proceding.
As I finish an area,say,around the strut back up boards or aft,tank,bulkhead I sand,wire brush,wipe down with epoxi solvent and paint with epoxi primer and then a coat or two of industrial epoxi.
The unglassed wood (bare) I have been painting with thined out epoxi primer,for better penetration, and then applying the finish coats.
I plan to follow this procedure through the entire hull.
Comments please.

Jerry,

I presume you're referring to the aluminium guard rail. There is a paintable PVC kit that is available as a complete replacement, including the forward bull nose. The kit is available from Richard Bertram, Inc, High Tides Marine, and Glass Tech. All three links can be found on the links page at: http://bertram31.com/links.htm

When contacting Richard Bertram, Inc. ask for Richard Kidd or Renee in the parts department.

Best regards,

Dave - thanks, and that's exactly what I had in mind. I will probably run the money thru the client trust account at my law firm and that way it will go on an accounting system without having to screw with a new bank account, etc. Let me give the details some thought on the plane in the morning, and I'll post something tomorrow pm on the details.

I'll be shutting down my laptop in a couple of hours and anyone with suggestions after about 7pm EDT tonite should contact me at home, royvictor@home.com

See ya'll.

I was serious this morning about being the conduit for donations. My view is that keeping this site open to the public will enhance the exchange of information. Raising the money through donations may work. My suggestion is that someone - I'll do it - act as the focus point to recieve funds anonymously, account for it, and forward it to Capt. Patrick. Some of us have more Units means than others. There should be no person interested in B31's that shold be deterred by the shorts financially. A buck from some is the same as a grand from others.

Whoever is the collector would only communicate the total amount collected to those that contribute, not who gave what. This may entice folks with limited means to give what they can without embarrassment.

Anyway, I'm prepared to make a signifigant contribution, because for me this place is a lot cheaper than a shrink. We gotta do something for our guru Patrick, so come on guys, let's get a plan together.

.,.,in 1998 soundings best boat ever.,had the bertrams owners club out of calfornia .,i wont evn dignify his name .,.,i sent in the 45 dollars imediately and never heard from him again.,.,.nuttin.,.,..,.1 other owner i know did the same thing and recieved the same thing
,.................... nuttin.,.,.,.,.,.,2500 should not be born by 1 individual., to keep us in cheer and info., i implore you all to get it up,. as far as a 50 per man fee for our private club its no different than if you joined the E.L.K.S
capt pat.,.,dont screw arround lets imediately go to the private scenario.,.and the people who value this site will imediately., become obvious

Those that want to get together in strict confidence to set up an anonymous fund email me at home this weekend at royvictor@home.com

I'll volunteer to be the point, accountant, etc. I'm from the government and you can trust me with your money. Only you and I will know who and how much. I will not use any of it to pay the g.d. tree man that just charged me 1800 Units to take ONE tree out of my back yard. Teaches me to travel so much; wife got rooked.

I'll be back in Baton Rouge tomorrow pm, airplanes willing.

Patrick,

You know I questioned the honor system from the start...I have not downloaded your screen saver as I have a mac at home. You do what you have to, if you have to charge for people to access this site then so be it. Granted, some will not join and that will be their misfortune, as info here cannot be found anywhere else. I think 50 to 100 clams a year would be money well spent....but don't hit me up now, as we blew our wad on the rendezvous by a factor of three.

regards,

I replaced my bow lights this year, and so far everything seems fine. The key is in keeping the water from getting into the bow chock. I made gaskets out of a short lenght of 3/4" copper tubing insulation (the unsplit, rubber type). The outside diameter is exactly the same as the recess that the colored plastic inserts sit in. You'll need four pieces, about 1/2" long each. I scrounged the sockets from whatever I could find at the marine supply house, and siliconed 'em in.

Even my wife is happy, 'cuz I've so excited, it's carried over into other areas!

The Honor System has not worked... Over 120 copies of the Bertram 31 Screen Saver have been downloaded in the past four weeks and I have received only 13 donations. Development of the screen saver and all other elements of this website are being funded out of my own pocket.

Without the voluntary support of those who enjoy & find useful the existence of Bertram31.com, the continued existence as a Free Access Website will be in jeopardy. Currently it costing me over $2,500.00 annually to make the website available. This figure is calculated on the first 9 months of existence.

Therefore I regrettably have removed the screen saver from public access. If you would like a copy, please remit a minimum of $15.00 and I will email your user name and password upon receipt.

(Download Request Form is at: http://bertram31.com/screensaver/pass_application.htm )

Remember, your generosity is what will keep Bertram31.com open to the public. There will always be a majority who will never pay for anything that they feel they can get for free. But, if enough support cannot be generated by asking you, the viewer, I may be forced to consider making the bulk of Bertram31.com a "Paid Membership Only" site.

Doing so would, I think, degrade the essence of our growing online community, and would also further increase my workload and maintenance expense. The membership fee would certainly be greater than $50.00 annually.

Best regards

Patrick

Mike,

check out hunter scott's place 508-564-5132. He did mine and they look great.

Regards,

Capy - glad you guys made it back in good shape. I'm sorry I missed the dead fish olives,but like Scarlett said, tomorrow is another day. Mother Nature Rules. I'm parked out here in San Diego looking down 25 floors at a marina full of Bayliners. Quality boats ain't made it to the west coast in any numbers yet. I've seen a couple of 31's out here over the last few years, but mostly Bayliners and the like.

Did you save me a hat?

Mike - sounds good; take your time, and I know you will. I just got back from a sushi feast and getting ready to hit the hay.

Craig - the bow light is impossible to keep up. You can find the sockets at a true commercial marine electric place, but the bulbs that fit cost about $15, and there is no way to keep the water out. I gave up and put two Perko 2 mile lexan side lights on the sides of the flybridge. They are white, like my hull, and hardly seen, plus they work. The stern light is solved with a Toyota back up light bulb - much stronger than the Perko. Take your old bulb to the car dealer and sweet talk them into letting you root thru the stock until you find the right one. Put a little silicone grease on each end before you install it.

Stan - you the man. I want to be like you when I grow up. Just got to San Diego and having a clear. No problem-o kemo sabbe. Let's go celebrate the birthdays next week. Snow is chompin' at the bit.

I'll be back Sat. pm and one my home email, royvictor@home.com, and on this one the rest of the week.

That is a great picture of the Bounty Hunter. There is also a Bounty Hunter B31 in Islamorada that I used to fish on.

Anyway, Here is the report from South Miami

The Sea Horse creeped out on friday for a morning of dolphin fishing. It was a typical August day in South Florida. Flat calm and brutally hot.

Logic dictates that August should be spent drinking beer on the sand bar and not working too hard for lazy fish but Sushi is nice anytime of the year.

We headed out 25 miles only to find that the ocean was just as flat and boring out there as it was 15 miles out.

We then swung around and at about 20 miles started dragging in scattered weed. Just as the crew was questioning the sanity of the guide, we got lucky.

A nice cow attacked the middle left daisy bait and two of her buddies followed her to the boat. We went two for three and no one got hurt. It was a miracle that no one got hurt with 5 first timers on board.

We found two other schools not far away and thank goodness one was full of nice fish. We took 6 more gaffers which was a alot of fun for the crew.

There were a dozen nice fish in the box and we were already late for lunch so it was time to put fire in the hole and head her home.

All in all, we had a nice picture at the end of the day and a lot of fillets on ice before the first thunder boomer rolled in.

Regards,

To all,

Thanks for your concern, but it was'nt that bad, the only truly awful time was sunday night into monday, one of our dockmates clocked the gusts to 42 m.p.h. on his anemometer. Every individual who made it should consider themselves true B31'ers, and not just fair weather friends. It was an adventure to be remebered fondly and not with dread.

I will give a full description of the events when I mail a package of pictures to Capt. Pat, in a week or so. Carol and I left block island on tues. at 9:00 am determined to get home, managed to get home at 4:00 pm. Dug's synopsis is accurate sans all the intresting details, I will fill in those, as well that FIVE boats made it. Well have to get to work, they don't pay me for this....

regards,

capy

P.S.- Capt. Pat, I would have called you last night but your Tel. # was garbled on the machine.

P.S.S.- Vic, I think you would really have enjoyed this adventure, the clears were flowing easily.

HOW DO YOU GET A REPLACEMENT FOR THE BOW AND TRANSOM LIGHT ANY SUGGESTIONS? PERKO? I FIND THAT THE TRANSOM BULB ARRANGEMENT SEEMS TO FAIL FAIRLEY EASILY .SEEMS THAT THE ENDS VIBRATE OFF THE BULB?AND AS FAR AS THE BOW (RED/GREEN),I HAVENT FOUND A SUITABLE SOCKET TO FIT IN PLACE OF THE OLD CORRODED ONE ANY HELP WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.

I had lawnmower trauma most of my life, because of mower abuse suffered at the hands of my father when I was young. Honest to God, I never owned one of the things until about 5 years ago. Now I have 3 aces of land on a main road where the city makes me keep it cut, so we had to get a serious riding mower. I rigged it out with a little Bimini top and a beer holder, told the little woman since it had headlights I could mow at night - ride around with a cigar and drink beer. She hasn't let me mow yet! I need to put a big barn on that property to work on 31's in. A friend in Florida E-mailed me today about a 1979 model rebuilt by Bertram with 300hp diesels and a teak deck - said they're asking $65,000. I'm going to check on one a guy put Sea Drives on years ago (failed experiment) that I heard might go for $5,000.

Mike - the boat work is one thing, but the other is impossible. The two greatest days of my life were when I finished my last divorce case 30 years ago and the day I sold my lawnmower. Maybe Guido needs to pay the guy a visit.

I have a vision of a marlin trip about the second week in Sept or so, and I know the result. Stan, don't forget to bring the suitcase of Bud.

Capy - did you decide to stay on BI? From the sounds of it, a good idea.

Dug - your insurance covers the damage done by the broke porp, but not the prop.

The Sinking Houseboat is welded up, and they are just waiting for it to quit raining to sandblast and coat with epoxy coal tar before splashing. Plus the generator is now fixed on the Another Joy, so the a/c is back in business. I gotta go out to San Diego tomorrow until Sat, then hoping to get out on the boat nex week for my birthday. Uncle Vic do not fly on his birthday, especially at my age. Stan, Mike, etc - let's plan on a Sept. marlin trip. Plus the tarpon are jumping in the boat to boot. White shrimp season is open, and the 20-24 counts are under $2 a poound.

I see light at the end of the b.s. tunnel, and I got the bit in my teeth. Them suckers on the left coast better watch out.

You guys have a good week, and I'll be in touch on my trusty laptop.

Well, it is confirmed, I threw an entire blade off of one of my propellors on the way home!

Now I have to have the strut completely rebedded, and the insurance company has a reason to be in business, or not in my case! Should be a week or two out of the water, depending on what happens, but I am going fishing out of Gloucester on Thursday on another boat, for what ever will bite. Should be fun! I hope Capy is back by then!

Keep ya posted on the events to follow!

Whew! Nobody got killed. I watched the weather channel and thought, shoot, My Friends gettin' thier butts kicked. Weather is king. I been there with the hurricane comin' in, and took to the streets, and then took to the High Rider Trucks.

Anyway, you BI'ers got back yet, or do we need to send the Coasties for you?

The Hero of the Rendezvous award can only go to Paul, not only for his role in organizing it but also for bringing Capy 150 miles to Block and then having to go another 150 miles sraight back into that Northeaster. His way home includes some nasty stretches, especially around Point Judith, and no way to avoid the full force of the weather. By the time he gets home, he will know everything there is to know about how waterproof his cabin is. Where we were, the wind did back to NNE late on Sunday; I hope that gave Paul a little better ride.

I ground the surface with a small grinder, wiped down the whole bilge with acetone and gelcoated. I have never seen a paint that does not peel...

Good luck!

Whew, what a weekend, and what a trip!

Well, here is my account!
Brad (my cousin) and I set out on Friday night at about 8:30 pm. It was not the best weather, but far from impossible, and it is not a bad trip usually, so off we went. All was well, and the lightning astern gave a great lightshow (not to worry, very far away...). About 1/4 of a mile out of Watch Hill, RI, hit a wave and when we came down, the port engine was off. And would not start. Threw out the hook to hold on until we got our bearings, and realized that we could not immediately tell what was up, so pulled in the anchor. I was in the locker, and the boat was pitching and rolling in 3-4 footers, and I turned green as the lawn...first mistake!

Heading in on one motor gave us an opportunity to take a second look and found the culprit, a broken wire. Brad, acting as a McGyver look alike took care of that one with my wonder all in one tool, and we were off again! Back to BI and arrived at about 11:30 when all was done. Travelled most of the journey at a leisurely 16-17 knots as the bumps were snotty and could not see them (dark, of course!), and the radar, well I love that machine!!! Pulled into Paynes, tied up and was greated warmly by Fred Greis who had been tying on all night with Paul! I was the third boat to arrive, and the last for Friday.

Saturday morning started at 7:30 am with Paul (he claims 8) banging on the door to welcome us. We were basically rested, but I was still not in perfect form from the anchor locker incedent (and the hangover I think...) All was well. We grabbed breakfast, met everyone and the weekend was off to a great start! Carol, and Karen are the most wonderful wives, these guys are lucky! Next went to the Ferry to pick up a friend of Paul and Carol's; a stunning and very friendly young lady named Holly. Watching the ferry pitch and roll told us that we likely would not see any more 31's, as the wind was honking, and the surf was breaking over the break water in old harbor. Holly was miraculously not seasick, and greeted us all with a smile and a hello. Off we went! Brad and I did the requisite tourist moped thing for a couple of hours and then headed back to the boats where all were napping, relaxing and generally pretending that the sun was out. Richard Miller showed up in his 31 after showing Block Island sound who is boss in his baby, and we all crowded around his 300 yanmars to marvel at the great installation, and the amazing quiet running. A really nice boat! All original boat, brand new aluminum rubrails, and a one owner and one marina history! He stayed for about an hour but with the seas outside continuing to build, and the weather not the nicest, he bid us all adieu, saddled up, and rode his steed out of the harbor. Tour time for the rest of the boats, lunch, showers and I took a well needed nap. Capy is a beautiful boat, with an exquisite and by the looks of it always improving cabin, and Kar-Fre is amazingly original and incredibly clean! Fred is going to be going at the v-berth with slatting, and getting rid of his tower to smooth the ride. Both boats are as beautiful as the owners say, and provided a great place for the evenings festivities!

7:00 came and it was off to the Oar for the famous mudslides, dinner after that, and then dancing at a local bar. Then we headed back to the boats for Sinatra, and the blues brothers, as well as Fred's dance fever between the boats! Vic, your speech was read, and applauded!

Morning came too soon as usual, and Brad and I realized that if this weather kept up, we better boogie on home, as it was forecast to increase and get sloppier, so we packed up and said our goodbyes. Holly rode with us, as she needed to get back to New London, and we were heading in that direction. This girl rode in 3-6' seas on the flybridge with me the whole way. She is a delight, and a compliment to Paul and Carol on their choice of friends. She is a terrific girl. The ride was fine, no beating, only an occasional cavitation of the windward prop, but all was not a smooth ride home. About 1/3 of the way back, fortunately in the lee of the mainland, there was a terrible crash and vibration like crazy! We motored peacefully on one motor the rest of the way, enjoying the company, food and music on the boat and I discovered this morning that I threw an entire blade off of my starboard engine prop. Fortunately I have a spare set, so I should be up and running again tonight. Just need to patch the small nicks in the hull where the blade bounced off, and will be fine(I think!)

All in all, a great weekend, with people I feel like I have known for a very long time, and hope to prove that out! Thank you Patrick, Paul, Carol, Fred, Karen, Richard, Beatrice, Holly, and Brad for an awesome weekend! I am sorry that the weather chased others off, but I do understand...it was sloppy, and very windy. Perhaps next year, we will have a bigger crowd, but let me tell you, it will be tough to have a better time! It was a great weekend!

Capt. Mike,

Great news,congratulations!!You give me insperation,I hope to start the engine beds this week.

Rick,

McMaster-Carr has S.S.carrige bolts listed,all sizes and lengths.The alternative would be to buy brass/bronze bolts from "High Tide"marine and have them chromed.High Tide may have the original.E-mail me if you nead phone No's..

OK Guys,

The latest news from Block Island is that some of Hard Core guys didn't let ma' nature get in the way of their fun!

Dug's cousin Brad just reported via the Guest Log that it did happen, and several of the boats are still there...

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"Yahoo!! I accompanied my cousin Dug Stowe in "Alchemy" to the Block Island Rendezvous and had a GREAT TIME!!

Too bad the weather didn't cooperate, (Some are still there) but it didn't stop the die hards that showed up from having a SUPER time. I can't wait until next year!!! "

It does,unfortunately, sound like the BI Event is going to be washed out... I'm sure that everyone is disappointed, and none more so than I. But, maybe there's still a chance that the group can squeeze in an alternative date before the season really goes to hell in a hand basket.

This might also be a good reminder for future event planners that an alternate date be planned for in the beginning. Wish I'd of remembered that idea a few months ago...

Best regards,

Hi.

Mike - find out what them 31's are made of, huh? Solo sounds bad unless you wearing a harness. I've done it a couple of times, and not a good idea, unless you have a few clears to get your courage up.

You guys be careful.

Had to pull out this morning, the wife was a little too scared to try it. I may try it solo in the morning but it's a little like an episode of Victory at Sea out there. (Fitting for V.J. Day)

Mike

Saturday PM Forecast

South Of New England...From The Great South Channel To
Hudson Canyon Including The Waters South Of Marthas
Vineyard And Nantucket Island...Out To 1000 Fms
Tonight
E to ne winds 20 to 30 kt. Seas 6 to 11 ft with se swells. Vsby occasionally below 1 nm in rain and scattered tstms.
Sun
E to ne winds 20 to 30 kt. Seas 7 to 12 ft. Vsby occasionally below 1 nm in rain and scattered tstms.
Sun Night
Ne winds 15 to 25 kt becoming n. Seas 6 to 11 ft.
Mon
Winds becoming nw 15 to 20 kt. Seas subsiding to 5 to 8 ft.

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Hope they got their radar skills up to date. Sounds grim. I should have gone, since I was gonna be on foot. Sounds like a Gulf coast forecast in January.

Oh Well, I'm home at least, and glad to be. Me and bride just got back from a first class dinner at a Swiss-Coonass restarant down the street, and it was great. I always get the veal with the morel mushrooms. Serious chow.

Bon Soire, folks.

Mike,

Great news! Sounds like you may got off of the hill yet. Best of luck.

Best regards,

Patrick

Hmmmm.....

Looks like our BI group ain't getting the best of conditions. But then I never completely trust the weather guys, any first hand reports up there?

Best regards,

Patrick

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Block Island Sound-
Buzzards Bay-
Rhode Island Sound-
Vineyard Sound-
Forecast as of 2:45 pm EDT on August 12, 2000

Small Craft Advisory

Tonight
Ne wind 20 to 25 kts. Seas 3 to 6 ft. Vsby lowering to 1 to 3 miles in patchy fog and drizzle.

Sun
Ne wind 20 to 30 kts. Seas 4 to 8 ft. Vsby 1 to 3 miles in rain...drizzle and fog.
Sun Night

.,.,thanks Mike

Frank,

Glad you dropped in, (not silently this time), and thanks for the kind words!

We'll be holding a spot here for you as a B31 owner, but in the mean time, you *have* a spot as a wanabe31owner. I suspect that you are far from the only non-owner to be "lurking in the shadows" and I'd guess that every B31 still out there, and not committed to Davie Jones Locker or Dante's Inferno, has at least ten owners awaiting his place in line.

To that extent, the Bertram 31 may just be about the only boat that possesses it's owner more than the owner possesses it. I truly believe that the B31s will still be welcoming new care takers a century from now.

Unlike the cutsie wooden classics, the B31 will still be on the hunt and up to the task of drawing both man and fish to her sides for perhaps the next century to come. Not just a museum piece to be paraded out on special occasions. Not unlike Jesse Ventura, the B31 will always be just as capable and ready to keep company with gentlemen or barroom brawlers.

Someone once said that B31 owners should be called "Care Takers" rather than "Owners". A Care Taker is vested with the responsibility to maintain the boat in peak condition so that the next Care Taker can step in to carry the torch.

Like you, I also am not a B31 owner, and perhaps never will be. But this website is testament to just how magnetic they are, even to non-owners. I could not conceive of putting this much effort into publishing a site for any other single boat.

Uncle Vic, (as usual), said it best... You're always welcome here.

Best regards,

Fred - 10-4; I been there, done that. In fact done worse, which since this is a family channel, will not describe. Those girls from Mobile are different. Not total south, but not == just not. They do drip the charm, and they are all good looking. If my 59 Chevy had not broke down 40 years ago, I would live in Mobile. Anyway, the World Turns, and Doo-Doo Happens.

But make sure Capy saves me a goddam hat.

Frank - come on in! This place ain't just for those of us that's done it, it's for the real Kool-Aid sippers that recognize the B31 is the best boat ever built, period. Your words are greatly appreciated. By the Power Entrusted In Me by The Others, I hereby annoint you, Frank, a Kool-Aid sipper, and you are invited to stay.

Yours (humble servant)

Jim,

I recently went through the same. I soaked all areas with Castrol's Purple cleaner, then came back with a strong solution of Tide in a bucket of water, and a stiff brush. All of the grim washed away fairly effortlessly, and any tough areas I sprayed with an engine degreaser. The whole job from bulkhead to stern took less then an hour. Once clean, I wiped everything down with Denatured alcohol to remove any residue before painting.

Capy - thanks, but no thanks. I have been duking it out all week out here in SD with some degree of stress, and the thoght of flying from here toRhode Island, etc with several stops just does not appeal to me. I managed to prevail out here on what had to be done, but it was pretty hard, so I'm on the red eye in the morning going home. I will be thinking about you guys, and God willing, I'll be thee next year. Save me a hat.

Thanks for thinking about me, but I'm bone tired, which for me is not normal.

Best wishes, weather, following seas, and enjoy the dead fish olives. I just had one or two myself down the street - the bartender knows I like the ones out of the glass jar instead of the tin. The fact that I can still type is a testament to how tired I am.

Jim,

Pressure spray washer worked wonders for me, with hot water heater as a part of it. Wear safety glasses however! I also like the Zep product called Big Orange or something to that effect. Great degreaser product!

Good luck!

Jim,

Having just been in the same situation as you a few months ago, I know exactly what your facing. Also having been on the "Grunt" end of "Pleasure Boating" for the last decade or so, I've tried just about every product for every dirty job known to boating...

Hands down the best product for your job is Knite's Spray Nine. Beats the others to a crisp. Be sure you get the marine formula, not the Multi-Purpose Germicidal Cleaner. Lot more "Omphhh" to the Marine Formula.

If you can't find it at your local marine store, you can order in numerous places on the web, including directly from the source. (See link below)

Best regards,

Capy - expect at least two, and possibly as many as four, boats from Fishers arriving early Saturday afternoon, staying for a few hours and then returning to Fishers.

If you're going to have a big turn-out, you might be better off spending part of the time anchored in the Northeast corner of the Pond. Especially if you want to do a sunflower! The marinas are busy on nice week-ends, and the situation at the docks could get pretty chaotic.

Go figure....the one night that Dr. John and Nathan & the Zydeco ChaCha's are performing only two miles from my house is the night of the Block Island shindig.

How about The Killer B's

The Hunt Club

The Fighting 31st

The Kool Aid Klub

Uncle Vic,

Good luck in launching your Titan Missiles! Forget about collateral damage... Shoot 'em all and God sort 'em out...

I'm with you on the formality. I see most general board meetings taking place electronically, save perhaps an Annual Board Meeting of Record. Formal to me is socks between me and my deck shoes.

We keep our cause narrowed down to B31 issues and forget saving the whales and manatees. I certainly am not against fighting socioeconomic/environmental/political causes, but not here...

We might think of an occasional "Keep Us in the Public Eye" type event, like Toys For Tots, Harley Davidison Biker style, but way later down the road.

Best regards,

Vic,

My wife and I still think you should red eye it, to block for saturday...She and I spent an hour stuffing olives with anchovies last night. It will be shame not to share the bounty

"don't give up the ship yet"

Hello fellows, from the shores of San Diego bay where your comrade Uncle Vic is engaged in hand to hand nuclear war. Outcome still in doubt, but I havea plan. The club needs an Official Shrink and Mental Health Officer. Carlos is a doc - HOW about it Carlos - You be the Shrink. Plus we have a Judge down in Galvezton who does divorce cases, so he can handle that end. I have a grandson who mixes some mean Kool-Aid.

I think it's a good idea as long as it don't too formal like the Shriners or such.

Gotta put my G-man out fit on and return to battle.

Lee,

Thanks! Yup, a real time chat board would be one of the features... I just send a copy of the outline to Uncle Vic, Capt Mike, Stan, and Capy. I'll zot you a copy before I leave to go fix a damn Sea Ray's bashed up swim platform. (I just keep my eyes tightly focused on the platform and pretend I'm working on a B31...)

Best regards,

Paul,

Sounds great! I talked with Fred on the phone yesterday; he's all pumped up, as I'm sure that the rest of you are also...

Paul, don't reserve any of the "Care Package" goodies for me... Distribute them where they'll do the most good! Want to do something kind for me personally? Get me a photo of you and your wife standing on the dock, at the BI event, with a cockpit shot of "CAPY" in the background... Make it an 8X10. I'll add it to my front office wall.

Have a great time guys... And remember, Come Home Safe!

Best regards,

Captain Patrick, I would love to help out in any way I can. I had heard last year when I bought sea horse that there was some kind of club of B31's up north somewhere but didn't really investigate. I have two friends that are owners down here, one in Islamorada. There are atleast 4 other 31's that I know about in the neighborhood but don't know the owners. Have you thought about a real time chat room?

Guys,

Yesterday, the bertram stuff arrived and I think everyone will be pleased. I have beautiful canvas tan caps with navy and gold bertram logos, Bertram logo lip schitt, coffee mugs and beatuiful polo shirts to give out. The weather looks favorable, BI forecast is low 80's for a high and mid 60's for the low, looks like a sunny weekend with a light northwest wind, as a high from canada builds into the area tonight. Capt. Pat, will reserve some stuff for you and send it along with the other stuff we talked about, when it's all over. Hope everyone comes as planned, I got some emails from some that have never even been to the board, guess they heard about it word of mouth and are coming along!

regards,

Mike,

Thanks for the kind words!

During the past week or so I been developing an outline of how we might bring our group to the next level. That of *really* being an "official club". As you know from the beginning, I wanted to be cautious about formality and not create another fiasco like the infamous Bertram Ower's Club from California.

This site will reach it's ninth month on the 25th, and the growth rate, participation, and, with Capy's B31 Block Island Rendezvous this weekend, I'm starting to feel that we really could make a go of a formal club.

Staffing wise, I think that we have the potential talent and commitment from our core group. Specifically: Uncle Vic's legal expertise, Your media talent, Stan's organizational background with clubs, Paul's obvious abilities to organize an event, my background both organizational and Internet related, and the willingness from at least 20 others that have expressed a desire to be formally involved.

I've already secured the registration of several web domains, including B31.org, that can be utilized as a "Members Only" zone. But more on all of this later....

As things shape up and important questions are answered, I'll start making more of the details available here and on the bertram31.com site in general.

For those other of you that would like to be involved in the decision making and planning process, feel free to post your comments here or email me directly.

Best regards,

Guys,

Payne's suggested 71 or 69, however the full list available is;

9, 68, 69, 71, 72, 78 .

I plan to be scanning all of them, if you hail us on any of them I will respond, and shift to the clearest one.

regards,

Capy suggested 71. I'll be on that one, unless there is to much chatter in which case I'll shift back to 68.

Dug - just got to San Diego. Fixing bayonets. Make sure you get the accent right when delivering The Address.

Vic,

I will be honored to have dug read your statement at the meeting, but, some how it won't be the same. Sort of like gluing B31 topsides to a searay....no offense dug, but I really want to meet da'man!

regards,

Capy,

Good to have you back! I had Pat Allen at Bertram ready to send your care package to Payne's in case you went the way of the "Andrea Gail"....

Have a great time this weekend. Remind everyone to do their part in documenting the B31 Block Island Rendezvous 2000, and flood me with info. I'd like to have your rendezvous pages done by the end of the month.

Best regards,

I culd use some good news, fishing here is downright depressing....

Regards,

Everyone,

I just got back from the following activities,

Giant tuna fishing...very poor.

Cruising to cape cod for last minute repairs caused by a wayward sailboat...80 Nm in 6 to 8 footers at 20 Knts. "Felt like the perfect storm" Carol said. CAPY performed admirably, even though we lost our loran ten miles out, dead reckoning is still the best method of navigation in my book.

Bertram's sales manager is fed exing some merchandise for give aways...probably draw names out of a hat, or have contests for fastest, cleanest, best finish and most potential. 2 magazines want to cover the event, soundings and motor boating and sailing.

Best VHF channel is 71, paynes does not monitor any channel and champlins monitors 68 and uses 19.

I hope all those from NJ,CN,RI,NY and MA who posted ther intentions to show up have a fair tide as they converge on Block Island, remember spread the word.... not all owners know yet.

regards,

Paul Gozewski

"capy"

Any suggestions regarding a VHF and/or SSB channel to use so we can all communicate with each other? There is definately too much chatter on 68, which I know is used by Champlins, and probably by most of the launches and the other marinas.

If no one else will, (and I think we will all want to in unison actually !!!!) I will be honored to read this for you Vic!

I will not be online for the next couple of days, returning Thursday, as I have an interview on Wednesday that I have to fly to. (that is right, fly to!!! I think someone used the wrong resume with my name on it!) I am sure I will be able to take care of anything at that point, but surely Capy will be able to return before then!

If it is an emergency, call me at 617-592-4834...and we will take care of it then!

Fred, sounds like a great plan on the v-berth, and the teak is not that much money anyway! But it goes back to what my father has taught me I guess, and that is that it is all in the presentation and management!

Those coordinates for GSP will work from any points from the west, whether it is inside Long Island but outside of Fishers Island, or inside Fishers coming out of Watch Hill Passage. I look forward to seeing you there!

Yeah Mike - Me and my son Brent were Dave Ballay's first customers at the Venice Marina many years ago. Before they opened, the only place you could launch was a crewboat place, and you had to park your truck on the levee, and the locals stole your battery every time. I used to take the battery out of the truck and take it 25 miles down the river to my old houseboat at Port Eads and then put it back in going home. One time when putting the battery back in, found a note from the battery thieves to the effect that they would slash my tires if I did not leave the battery. Put some locals I knew on that problem, and heard some heads got cracked. Anyway, the Ballays are my best friends, and know their stuff.

See ya - gotta hit the sack to get up before the chickens in the morning to go do justice.

Mike - in case you did not know, Brandon Ballay's charter boat, the "Aw Heck" is a B31 that he bought after fishing on mine a couple of times. Has Yanmars and he catches a ton of fish on it. Keeps it about 100 yds from mine. He is about my son's age, they are best buddies, and all of them, including Brandon's brother Brent, are really first class guys with a sense of humor, which is a dying art.

Mike - come on! Talked to som Capt. Brent this afternoon, and he was going to use my 31 to shoot a TV show today on tarpon, but the cameraman did not show up, so he and Brandon Ballay, Brandon's brother Brent, Brandon's deckhand, and another guy took a big skiff down to Pass A Loutre (one of the big, but shallow passes of the Miss River into the Gulf) where Capt. Brent had been seeing a lot of tarpon in 4 or 5 feet of water around a snad bar right off the pass. They hooked 30 - yep thrity - tarpon on light tackle, including a 200 pounder my son hooked 5 feet from the boat and on the first jump hit the back of the skiff. They released about 5, but broke off another 10 at the boat. But no cameraman, but the good news, all of them are charter capts., and they just had fun. Where did I go wrong? Snow picking me up at 6 am to catch the red eye, and the tarpon are jumping in a goddam canoe.

Anyway, keep after your boat, and it will happen. I'll check with you when I get back next weekend, but I may have to go back out there next week, depending on doo doo.

See ya.

Since I'm headed out on the red eye in the morning, and won't be able to join you, my Bertram 31 friends at the Block Island get-together, I thought I would compose a short address that could be delivered by someone after the assembeled B31'ers have wound up on the whiskey a little, so here goes:

I have coveted owning a Bertram 31 from the first day I say one in New Orleans in 1962. I walked around the finger docks and looked at it from every angle. It captivated me - the lines, the low profile, the perfect way the flybridge topped it off. The huge cockpit, the engine covers that you could sit on and relax, but could open without unbuttoning the whole boat and get right to the engines. The cocky little bow, the gently curving stern, the tucked under - just right, not too much - stern. Then, maybe 5 years later, I got to ride on one. The way it comes straight up out of the water, instead of wallowing up like a goddam Bayliner, blew me away. So I plotted for years and years to own one. But not just any one, but one that was tricked out with modern diesels, etc, and could carry air conditioning, cause it's HOT down here, you Yankees. So I plotted, and I plotted, and one day, one glorious day, the stars all came into line. And I lied to get it, but that's anoter story. Boat lies are not real lies. So I got it, and me and my son, the now famous and TV cleb Capt. Brent - would fish on it - and did for a year, before someone else in the house knew about it. I am shamed for lying, but a man has to do what a man has to do. I have enjoyed the "Another Joy" beyond my wildest expectations, and Uncle Vic has some serious expectations. But then they put the internet in my office, almost over my dead body, since I figgured it was a waste. Then I found the B31 site, and all you guys. I work in a pretty stressful enviorment, but I know you do too. I love to chat with you guys, I love the closeness that we feel, and I love our sheer arrogance in knowing we have the best boat ever built, period.

Ya'll have a clear one for me, and I pledge I will be there next year. Thanks to all of you for your friendship, and THANK YOU CAPT. PATRICK FOR MAKING ALL THIS POSSIBLE.

Your humble friend,

I almost forgot!!!

As you pass the picturesque Coast Guard station with the stand up comedians working it, you will see a beautiful and pristine salt water pond spreading out in front of you. Word of caution. The islanders (and the state!) like to keep it that way, so don't get caught even dumping grey water in the pond. Litter, and holding tanks will end up with you burning at the stake! Trust me, not a good idea!

First marina you will see on the starboard side (they are all on that side of the pond...) is Champlins. It is the biggest and best appointed.

Next is Old Harbor town dock. There is a good store at both Old Harbor and Champlins for nick nacks and snacks, film, batteries etc. Old harbor is very well stocked. Saved me during Block island race week with large water jugs if you know what I mean!

Finally is Paynes (Paines, I cannot remember this spelling for the love of God!!!) Paynes is actually almost straight ahead of you when you enter the pond, so if you just stay in the channel all the way in you should be fine.

Again, hope that helps!!! Any questions, ask!

Hello all, I hope this helps....

First, the all important GPS coordinates!

1) from Long Island (Montauk) plug these numbers in. (this is a Red Bell)
Lat 4111962
Lon 07135607

These will bring you to the first mark at the entrance of Great Salt pond (GSP) where you want to be. Just drive right in! Keep the break water on your Starboard side.

2) From points north, you should plug these coordinates in: (This is a Green bell)

Lat 4115492
Lon 07134541

These coordinates will bring you to the mark indicating the most northern point of a reef off the north end of the island. Once you get there, plug in the coordinates from the mouth of GSP posted just above and you will be home free.

If anyone has any other questions about coordinates or other, just ask. There are no obstructions to worry about surrounding or in between these.

3) Food locations and suggestions.
I think if we are thinking about a dinner, we ought to shoot for Ballards in on Old Harbor. It is spacious and reasonably priced, and if the weather cooperates there is an outdoor facility that will/should accomodate us all. I will call them to find out. They could also do breakfast I think.
Breakfasts could be gotten at Rebecca's I think, the 1661 Inn, and possibly Dead Eye Dicks. Most of the locations for shopping, eating and other are all in Old harbor, but it is a quick bike ride or taxi ride over there. All marina's on GSP have a bit of a snack shop but that is about it.
Clubs for dancing etc are plentiful, with Dead Eye Dicks within walking distance of Paines, the Yellow Kitten and Nicks providing deadly entertainment, and the Oar at Old Harbor town dock in GSP. Also walking distance from Paines.

4) Transportation is possible by taxi, bike, and moped. Tourists rent the damned mopeds like locusts (similar to Bermuda!), but they get you where you need to go. Biking is great, and the sight seeing is breathtaking, particularly of the lighthouse marking the southern tip of the island. It is a must see! Great beach at the bottom of the worlds largest stairway...

Bring your bikes, you will want them, but be ready for taxis as they make the occasional hill climbing better for late nights!

That should be it. There will be much we can play by ear, and I am thinking Ballards might be best. Let me know numbers (of people) and I can call with a heads up for them!

Looking forward to this weekend!!!

The just posted Event Planning Guideline is available. http://bertram31.com/events/index.html

It's fairly inclusive of everything that struck my mind on short notice, but by no means the last word on the subject. This guideline will help you in planning your own events. I would love to have other insights and opinions emailed to me. Together we can build a more finely tuned model.

Best regards,

Patrick

current owner of bertram has a refurbished 31 for his personal use according to motorboating--august 2000--would love to get details--power etc.
i would assume its pretty tricked out---can anybody help.

congrats on your accomplishment

Russ,

Thanks & Great!

The Versacel is the product brand name for the PVC Foam Board that I use for all sorts of items that might otherwise be made from plywood. (search the board for previous discussions, use PVC as the keyword, "several eons" as the time frame: http://usamarine.net/cgi-bin/general/bbs.cgi?search ) Also see: http://usamarine.net/cc/proj/tips/pvc.htm

Best regards,

Patrick

I was in the fishtails last week, there were lots of long fins, some 60-90 pound yellows, and a very few big eyes. There were dozens of marlin reported, and at least two boated. The giants were much closer to the beach, perhaps only two to four miles off shore, headed toward Montauk. Every dragger in the northeast was here just off Shinecock picking up tons of squid. The GBFT are still passing through here, and are also rounding the end of Long Island and passing between Montauk and Block, and/or going around Block.

Roger, roger, Capt. Mike. I figure that between my bulls--t and your brains, we can figure this deal out, and win the money in the Bahamas. I been to Grand Bahama once about 30 years ago. I won a ton at the casino and my wife spent it all at the trinket shops. Even is ahead.

See ya.

Patrick - thanks for the moral support. Shame it ain't that simple, or quick, or satisfying. But the World Is Oblong. You right about me being pissed about losing the fishing time, which we can't put back on the calendar. But, Uncle Vic has a Plan. Be glad you ain't on the other end of it.

Again, thanks for the moral support. I'm fixin;' to hit the sack, about 9 here, and get up and after them early. I put in about 25 hours this weekend with a pretty much full crew and another in SD working thru the weekend. It's gonna cost me big time at the sushi bar this week to keep the peace with my own troops. And I do have some real troopers, thank goodness.

Whew. Time to sleep on it all.

Uncle Vic,

Look out for hitch hickers on your way through FL... I'll have my thumb in the breeze.

Best regards,

Dug,

Good luck, have a ball, report back in detail, burn up some film, share the pics!

Best regards,

Uncle Vic,

I'm startin' to get some real insight on what these crooks of yours must be in for as you find 'em...

Not withstandin' their durdy deeds and misconstrued fiscal dealin's, their worst nightmares must come from findin' out that they been screwin' with your fishin' time.

I can just picture you in court now... Gotta' look something like a bobtailed 'gator drug outta' Alligator Bayou while in the middle of eating a tasty revenuer, and carted off to a yankee side show.

Have a good trip, Vic! Maybe there'll be a TV series someday in your honor. A "B31in' Mattlock", when the star ain't jumpin' blue marlin, he's kickin' ass in Diego, dodgin' fruit loops...

You D' Man!

best regards,

Mike - how close are you to running? The way my life is shaping up, late Sept or early Oct looks best right now for a trip. I think I can get you a ride maybe on a private plane from your area over here. Would you be interested in going to the Bahamas with me from Venice? Two days in the summer, with late light, to Fla east coast the way I figure it. Maybe 3. Figure about a 10 day trip. Your wife is welcome, but not the kids. My wife don't boat offshore, so I guess she could fly over there and back.

Dreamin', just dreamin'

Well, I have made the mental committment, and fueled up today, so I guess that means that I will be there barring any acts of God!

Mystic, CT is the origination point, Groton Long Point to be specific. I will probably head out Saturday morning early, but we shall see!

Mike,

Where did you hear these reports? I will check with the charter fleet around me, surely they will know the details. I know that the tuna are all about out there, from 50 miles or so on out. Especially an area known as "the Fishtails", which is about 75 miles out. A 48 Ocean coming into the river this afternoon gave me the thumbs up on thier trip today, so I know there are fish out there...

What he say? What a URL? Folks, this has gotten so far ahead of me, I'm just glad to finally figure out where the porn sites are on the net so I can avoid them. Those German ones are nasty.

Sonny - where are the South American ones so I can avoid them too, since you seem to have learned to avoid them too.

Well, I worked all weekend at th4e office. I gotta be nuts. It's almost too hot here to go fishing, tho. Going to San Diego on the redeye Tues for the rest of the week. I'll take my laptop so you guys can humor ole Uncle Vic.

There were reports of several GBFT caught just off of Block Island on Saturday. Everyone bring a 130.

Mike - I have the identical engines in my B31. Sounds like WAY too much pitch. Need to know gear ratio, and at what rpm they top out at WOT.

I run 21 x 22 nibrals - 3 blades, with no cup - thru a ZF IRM 220A gear at 1.5 to one. I top out at 2650 rpm, which is where the governors are set on the 6bta 250; I cruise at 2400 and make about 24 or 25 kts, with no smoke;

Depending on your gear, sounds to me like too much pitch and the engine is laboring. Now, on the other hand,if you can turn 2600 or above with usual load and it's still smoking at cruise, them maybe another problem. Remember, 250 hp 6bta's still smoke a little at cruise when set up perfect - on a calm day you can see sort of a smoggy contrail way behind the boat, but no heavy black that fouls the transom.

Anyway, gotta run - wife hollering I'm late for something that requires a godam tie.

In my ongoing attempt to make this site worthy of being the "Best Damn Bertram(anything) Site on the Net", here's a couple of New Features to bertram31.com!

Several of you have asked how to add images and links to your posts. Well, here's the "Step by Step, Graphically Enhanced, Posting URLs 101": http://bertram31.com/help/posting_links.htm   Soon, you too will be "Armed and Dangerous!"

Want a Personal Images Directory of your own?  Containing your own web images?  Want to show off an image of your best fish caught from your B31?  Tired of attaching massive image files to your email buddies?

Here's a solution: http://bertram31.com/help/my_images.htm

Best regards,

Bill,

Great idea! Thanks for tracking her down, and be sure that Capy and/or Dug gets her contact info.

Best regards,

Capt.,

This isn't the right slot but I fig. youd see it quicker.There is a lady photografer who tools around Long Island Sound,BI etc.taking off the cuff pictures of boats ,marine scenes and the like.I just E-mailed a friend on L.I.about getting her data,could be good for the rendevous.
My buddy saw a piture of his 35 Egg in a magazine and was able to get blow ups from her,at a cost.
Maybe a calender or such wityh pics. of the attending craft.

Mike,

I can't recall the rated full load top RPM for the 6BTA, but at full throttle you should be within 100 RPMs of the rating. If you're getting less than the rating you're over propped, more than the rating, you're under propped.

19" - 20" can be an acceptable diameter, so you'd probably only need to adjust the pitch. A medium cup is usually desirable.

Before you jump to conclusions about your wheels being the problem, you should first make sure that your engines are performing at their peak. Generally, any excessive exhaust smoke is not related to wheel tuning except on acceleration.

Good luck and,

Best regards,

Mike,

Sure hope you're back on the water this year!!

To all, In General:

I know that we'd all like to get events cranked up ASAP, but all will take good planning and lots of talking the event up. Shoot Outs especially need sponsorship. The bigger the sponsor and the more sponsors to kick in the better. Most corporate sponsors will have annual budgets to meet. Most are on a calendar year, some on a fiscal year. Getting an event scheduled and before a potential sponsor before their budget is tapped out is imperative.

Same applies to getting notice by Magazine media. They are usually going to press at least a month before an issue is scheduled to hit the stands. Some as much a 3 months in advance. That means that notice to them about your event needs to be delivered as much as 3 months in advance of the event.

Other than casual get togethers between now and the end of the year, our thoughts for anything major should be focused on or after January 1, 2001.

Sometime soon I'll try to develop an "Event Planning Guideline" that will help anyone to get their show on the road.

Those of you who have organizational skills and talents, and those who have had any dealing with getting publicity out to the proper media, send me your insights and tips via email or post them here on the board.

Best regards,

Chuck,

I'm with you on when they'll finish the hotel. They've been saying "soon now, mon" for so long that it's starting to sound like a Chinese name... I haven't been there since last year, but will possibly be making a "Lunch Run" over to West End/Freeport later this month. Maybe I can pick some brains then.

Best regards,

Hi Dug,

Capt.Patrick,

1)I am using an old compaq laptop with a 120 chip.

2)I tried to download the ESPN thing and got some blue and white pixels and something that looks like a mast,what happend?

3)Haven't tried to down load the screen saver yet,scared!

4)For those that have not seen the message on Yachtingnet/forums Powerboat"The funniest thing I have heard on the radio",6/15/00,please post.I tried but gave up.

5)You are doing great work,please keep it up!The messages are sure great to spell watching Interquote.(stock market)

Here it is Sat.night,my wife went to the states yesterday,I just mixed my second Russian nectar,and what am I doing,reading Bertram 31.
Oh,to round out my day,I just checked out the new rudder parts,guess what,the posts are magnetic!!

Stan - the video turned out great! I tried in my machine at home, and it worked fine. I guess my wife never knew they have buttons on the VCR, not just on the remote. That big blue really kicked Lyman and Bob's ass at the boat. I noticed Bob kept letting go, which is probably why Lyman got all cut up. Hell, he's a G-Man, so he's used to it.

The shark video is pretty scary - how big was that one ya'll used the coonass block and tackle on? For you up north, the coonass block and tackle is how you get a 500 lb or so fish in the boat when you spear it under an oil platform. Tie one end of a long rope to the shark's tail, run the other end over one of the cross pipes way up on the platform, and then back to the stern of the boat. Give 'er the gas, and VOLLA!, Senior Shark rises up in the air, the guy on the platform ties it off with another rope, then move the boat back under the monster, and lower it in.

I'll get some stills cut off the video and send them to Patrick to post. The marlin may actually bigger than I remember, which they always are.

I'm in for a Bahamas deal. Son Capt. Brent called this afternoon begging to use my 31 to shoot a tarpon trip tomorrow for his TV show, and I let him borrow it. Fool that I am. He says the huge tarpon are thick as flies in West Delta 58 block - right by Venice, maybe 4 miles offshore.

But all I do is talk about it or so it seems. One day soon, one day soon.

Tom,

Sounds good... Know exactly what you mean by Bahamian time and promises...

Best regards,

Patrick-

The hotel (a series of two story cottage style buildings were fully enclosed when I was there in June. They were working on the interiors. The beach is quite nice there. Fuel is reasonable, the new resturant is in question. The marina is quite nice, showers are above average, docks are in great shape. Charcoal barbecues are scattered about, and no high fees for h2o. They anticipated completion date"by the later part of October, Bahamian time?!#*#*."

Tom,

You're on! West End *would* be a lot closer, fishing may not be as good, but the lower reach of Matanilla Shoal can be hot for wahoo. If the black fin are off of the drop there ought to be a marlin or two hanging around. Only a few clicks above Memory Rock... April might be good, and before you up north guys take your boats back home...

Have you heard anything on the progress of the hotel at West End? Un-finished the last that I heard.

Best regards,

Patrick - not gonna be able to make it since I have to go out to San Diego Tues and won't be thru until Fri. Just can't fly fast enough. Maybe I can give a speech via sattelite like the politicians do.

Patrick:

I'll kickin 1K toward prizes for a Bahamas shootout. The new West End marine facility might be good. Not too far, clean, and allows for a variety of fishing grounds.

Paul,

You're right! Awesome clip. Haven't seen the ESPN version. Sure wouldn't want that puppy in my cockpit! See the story about the guy getting speared and drifting around for a couple of days until another boat stumbled across him? Damn, that hurts just thinking about it!

For those of you who haven't seen the onlie video: http://eangler.com/images/ea256b.mpg

Best regards,

Well, we've got our first Cape Verde TS rolling our way... Aimed right at the Virgins.

Been real quite so far this season, (calm before the storm?), but things are changing. Alberto was named yesterday and expected to reach hurricane F1 by the end of today. Time for us east coast guys to start puckerin' up...

Best regards,

OK, Everyone put your thinking caps on...

Capy's Block Island Rendezvous is a week away and seems to be shaping up well. Uncle Vic, are you still planning on making an appearance?

How many of you are committed for the meet, or hope to be there? Role Call, Please! Include your boat name and hailing port...

The rest of you, especially those over here on the "Right Coast", What about?:

Shoot Out(s) Bertram 31 vs. ?????? "The B31 Challange"
(Should be a high recognition name boat brand, possibly another "Classic" - Hatteras? Black Fin? All Comers?) Length limit? 40'?

NW Atlantic - NY? Atlantic City? Cape May? Ocean City?
Mid Atlantic - Savanna? Charleston? South Port? Little Creek?
NW FLorida - Daytona? St. Augustine? Jacksonville
SE Florida - Stuart? Palm Beach? Miami? Islamorada? Key West?
SW Florida - Ft. Meyers? Venice? Tampa? Clearwater?
NW Florida - Panama City?
Alabama/Missippi - Orange Beach? Gulf Port?
Louissianna - Sportsman? Venice?
Texas - Galveston? Freeport? Corpus Christi?
Bahamas - Walkers? Chubb?
Puetro Rico/Virgin Islands - San Juan - St. Thomas
Mexico - Hacienda? Isla? Cozzumel? Puetro Aventuras?
Venezuala
Hawaii

Conneticut/RI/LI (Block Island Rendezvous 2000)
New York
New Jersey
Chesapeake
North/South Carolina
Georgia/N Florida
Florida Mid-East
Florida SE
Florida West
Alabama/Mississippi/Louisanna
Louisanna/Texas

If we start brain storming now, I think we could put together some fun stuff for 2001...

Sounds like a Plan, Stan!

Between getting to be an old fart and too many irons in the fire, I've long since passed my "Party Animal" phase, but going to a shindig today at a buddy's house in Jupiter. We met on my first PA, Mexico run in '91. He'll be throwing a bash that almost meets your get together discription. Looking forward to it!

Bruce and I were at lunch Friday, talking about Capy's Rendezvous, and came up with the thought that we need to get a "Down South" meet going for next year. Maybe a "Shoot Out" in the Bahamas. B31s against all other lesser brands up to 40'. Where's that Blackfin Club???! Bruce, (Southeast Marine), is already pledging the first $1,000 of prize/sponsorship money.

With enough advance planning, might get some big sponsors and serious units on the table.

Best regards,

Thanks, Stan, I got mine and Snow's tapes today,and brought them home, kinda late gettin' home due to lawyer-dribble from the left coast that will require my newly formulated non-travel deal to be suspended for next week while I go with the big red fire extinguisher to the other side of the world. Hope the sucker is primed.

Anyway, Stan, went to look at the tape and wife advises that our one 1972 VCR (the kids took the good ones when they moved out, ain't complaining) does not work unless you can find the remote control, which has been lost for several years. Bottom line is I have the tapes, but will have to go over to my office tomorrow and try to watch them. I see mine has some extra stuff on it, and I think it says "shark footage". Can't wait.

Anyway, thanks a bunch, and let's see - I talked about this week fishing, and next week fishing, and now I can't. I fear I will be found in seat 2A on a Delta flight dead, and been that way for a month, and nobody notices, since they so used to seein' me there. The guy that cleans out the seat pockets justs dusts me off and thinks I'm snoozing. Like the Vet. I saw sitting next to me last week - we looked at each other and I said, "I think we have met". He then tells me he's sat next to me 50 times and knows I have a goddam 31 Bertram, and he's sleepy. Party Pooper.

So Long

Sonny,

Thanks! Tell Bobby to jump right on in...

You got your boat back in the water yet? I need a photo or image to get you accounted for on the images page...

Best regards,

OK, some of know a bit about me, some of are maybe wondering just who the hell I am. Dug, once suggested getting some of us to post bios. Might still be an idea worth pursuing...

We all know something of Uncle Vic through his posts and web page, ( http://bertram31.com/uncle_roy.htm ). Without him here, we might be in danger of an "Anal Retentive Out Break".

For those who've shown an interest, here's the tip of the iceberg on me. It just might be more than you really wanted to know... http://bertram31.com/bio.htm

Best regards,

Paul,

The Bertram Factory is trying desperately to contact you!

Clipped from an email just received, (cc'd to you also):

"Paul, by copy of this e-mail - PLEASE call me with a shipping address for those few giveaways I listed the other day. You could also email, or fax to 305-635-1388." (Pat Allen pat.allen@bertram.com 305.633.8791)

Best regards,

Vic - tried to e-mail you but it would not accept your address.

I have some Bertram literature that notes 470's as am option on older 31's. I have had a real problem here as serial numbers were missing from the pans when I bought the boat over 10 years ago. I assume that these engines are over 20 years old.

They are Cumming diesels, same block as 504's which later became the triple nickel's. OHV and fresh water cooled. Transmission cooler is seperate from the engine and has no interface with high pressure oil - also no water in transmission. Oil cooler is mounted on side of lower block and is a intergal part on engine.

Uncle Vic,

There are several ways to modify the viewing format of the messages and you can configure to your liking from 6 basic styles. Each of them has strong points and weak points. The "Reversed Thread" format is set as the default, but any change you make will be remembered as unique to your computer. Try playing with them at http://usamarine.net/cgi-bin/general/bbs.cgi?reconfigure .

Once there, you will see the "List messages" selection box. Clicking on the gray down arrow button will produce the full list of options. Play around with them by selecting one and then clicking on the "View Message Index" bar below the text description paragraph.

If that style doesn't suit your fancy, just click the back button and try another. Which ever style you are viewing will be remembered as what you want in the future, until you go back and change it again.

Actually the reversed thread style is probably the best of all worlds. If your only real problem is too long of a list of messages to scroll through, changing the time span of the messages to be shown would probably do the trick for you.

On the "Message Index Display Configuration" page where it says "List messages posted or modified within the last", you can select from as short a period as 12 hours, to as long as "Several Eons", (which will display ALL messages, up to the upper limit of 2,000 - currently approaching 1,700).

Since you are here almost every day, setting the time period to either 1 day or 2 day would reduce your list, and scrolling, drastically. A new reply, even to a post from the distant past will be displayed with the post or thread that occurred immediately above it.

Best regards,

Hey Stan - on the 450 marlin trip when my cheap ass autopilot was borke, I used you to drive us in, and you only got about 5 miles off course drinking red and whites with me on the FB. But you saw the bank almost 3 miles away, and I only had to take the wheel to miss the jetty. I think you should go with the expensive stuff so I can ride in your cockpit with confidence.

Word today is the Sinking Houseboat On The Bank may splash back late next week. Shift bracket on the gear of 31 is to be fixed today. Doo-doo coming down in San Diego. Anybody got a opening at a shoe store?

Stan - Snow wore my butt out today about getting a copy of his great victory over the 450. You not hiding that (1) you forgot to put the tape in, or (2) the battery was dead, huh? I need a new profession, like retired.

Windows 98, 25 in monitor (I'm blinder than Jeff, plus have to run VoomText Extra to blow it up so I can even seen it on the big screen) I guess no frames, altho I'm not sure what I using - use the @home cable modem, which is so fast it scares you - and finally, the only complaint I have is that when I pull the site up and it says there are 26 new posts, and some of them are way down the board, I have to scroll my butt off to find them, and sometime run out of patience. How can I zoom in on just the new posts?

Glenn - I've never heard of a Cummins 470, so I'm in the dark here. The only way water can get in the oil, and vice versa, is thru a hole where they interact. I assume you have a transmission cooler, which is not an "oil cooler". Is this a Cummins diesel, or a Mercruiser gas 470 i/o? Give me a general description of the engine, such as no. of cyls, year of manufacture, heat exchanger or raw water cooled, ohv or flat head. Just don't recognize the model, and I've seen most of the Cummins over the years.

Paul,

Thanks! Actually I run with a pretty sophisticated stats server on an NT IIS environment, (Media House's Statistics Server LiveStats 5.0).

Looking here to get the straight skinny from the actual visitors that I care about. You guys... Only so much that raw data reporting can offer.

Best regards,

Windows 98, IE5.0, 17" NEC, Frames, no problems to report.

Great site btw; one of the few that actually addresses a need... keep up the great work!

Have twin 470 engines in my 1970 SF - old/heavy engines but they have been great for me - and I don't like the alternative! Had port engine re-built (new jugs/liners/rods/etc). Engine worked great before re-build but it was getting hard to watch baits through the smoke.

Engine oil now gets into fresh water system as soon as oil heats up. Oil pressure 55 and, I guess, water pressure 10-15. Have pulled oil cooler and pressure checked it to 60 lbs, then again (sure that was the problem) to 110 lbs. Have pulled heads but gaskets good.

Stan,

That's a good price for the 951X. Have you been using GPS or LORAN for your dive coordinates? The XD would bring you to a point with the accuracy similar to LORAN. Even though the Goverment says no more selective availability, I still see a lot of inaccuracy, (remember that atmospheric conditions and satellite positions play a big role with GPS). The bill may have a Bill C. signature, but when will it actually be reality???

For surface targets bigger than a milk bottle the X will get you close enough. Running numbers in a fog would be a bit hairy on an X. Top water fishing is more a mater of water clarity, temperature breaks, floating debris, thermoclines, and other factors that no GPS can see, (at least yet).

Yeah, I'd put the 600 units into something else, but it's a good price too...

Best regards,

Capt. Pat,

Windows, 15", AOL, No frames.

Thanks for all your work maintaining the site!

Capy,

Here's your sunflower image, (heavily edited for display).

Best regards,

Hi all,

I am going to get a few bits and pieces of information for y'all on Block Island and would like to know if there are any questions you might like to add. Here are the bits and pieces I am going to grab as of now...

1) GPS coordinates for approaches from Long Island, and Points north. I am going to also describe where each marina is in Great Salt Pond (GSP) so you can find it. (Bit of a last plug for my last employer. IF you go to Boatscape, you can get live charts which are fed off of the Maptech Mapserver, and it will give you a chart of GSP etc. if that would be a help)

2) Food locations and suggestions.

3) transportation options (I am not sure if I will be able to get any specific numbers or names, but more list the options...

4) BI specific sights that might be of interest.

Let me know if there are any other things missing you would like to know and I will try to get it all on by this evening.

Best,

Jeff,

Thanks, both for the participation and the kind words! The more I know about what others see when viewing my sites, the better I can make them...

Best regards,

Marshall,

Thanks! The Ford Diesel site uses a different BB system, but you have access to several different ways that this board can be configured for your own preferences. Check it out at http://usamarine.net/cgi-bin/general/bbs.cgi?reconfigure

Play around with display options and the time frame of how far back messages are tracked and displayed. A new message will always be displayed the next time you visit, regardless of your setting. (up to 2000 messages)Even if a message isn't listed as new, (you didn't revisit within the time fame you selected), any message that you haven't read would be linked in blue.

Also check out the BB FAQ at: http://usamarine.net/cgi-bin/general/faq.htm

Best regards,

Capt. Patrick, and the answer is:

1. Windows
2. I'm going blind, so 19" monitor
3. Explorer
4. Frames version
5. Have had no problems with this site.
6. This is without a doubt the best constructed

web site on the net. Really works great,

which is totally a testament to you skill

and knowledge on the computer. Don't really

understand how you could be so talented in so

many areas. Heck, I can barely turn the dang

thing on in the morning, and I work on the

computer every day! We will be forwarding a

thank you gift in a day or so as I am going

Stan,

Here's the Comnav site, if you don't already have it bookmarked: http://www.comnavmarine.com/

I suspect that you're looking at the model 1001. The only thing I'd caution you about stems from the potential wetness of the B31 flybridge. The selector knob of the 1001 could be an avenue for moisture into the guts of the unit. Ask your guy how water proof the seal is...

Best regards,

Patrick

Huh - I got some special they were running and got it installed free, the first 3 months at half price, and the full price, incl. tax, is $42/mo.

On the technical side of bertram31.com...

I've been meaning to do this survey for some time, so here it is:

What operating system are you using? (Windows, Mac, Webtv, other)

Monitor size? (14", 17" etc.)

What Web Browser are you using? (Explorer, Netscape, AOL, Webtv, other)

Are you using the "Frames" or "No Frames" version of the bertram31.com site? (no frames = single page)

What problems have you had in viewing the site?

Comments or suggestions?

------- If you don't want to post your responses here, email me at bertram31@usamarine.net -------

Thanks!

Best regards,

Patrick

Stan,

Can't personally say about the Comnav, but since your dealer is local and he thinks, (at least through him), that support is better go for it.

Thousand bucks is a lot of dough for only the addition of color. I'd spend it else where on the boat...

Best regards,

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I encourage all participants to help me create this section of bertram31.com by submitting photos, comments, personal stories, and event descriptions. Below is a check list of suggestions:
Sending your memories to me: I anticipate a lot of responses and the amount of photos submitted could be overwhelming if sent as email attachments. Please try to send actual photographs only. It will be easier for me to select the ones that will be used here and scan them as necessary. I will do my best to use at least one photo submission from each of you.

Photos - Have your film developed with duplicate copies. (ie: Eckherd Drugs' System 2) Process for glossy prints, they scan better than mat finish. All photos submitted will become part of the bertram31.com hard copy files. They will not be returned, so send only a duplicate...

Photos - Compose your shots: Unless the background of your shot is important to the subject mater, move in as close as possible to capture the essence of the moment.

Text - Jot down important notes as they happen. Try to fill in details as soon as possible. Together with your photos, you'll be able to later capture the spirit of the moment.

Text - If at all possible, commit your comments and stories to typewritten format. I can easily scan this into a text document. You can also send via email. Typist, I'm not - Please no hand written material...
This page will be updated as necessary between now and next weekend. Hopefully, the Bertram 31 Block Island Rendezvous 2000 event will be fully documented and posted here by the end of the month.

Here's wishing you all a great weekend of meeting new friends, fair weather, loads of fun, and (to quote a famous fellow Texan), "No Hitches in your Get-Along"!

Best regards,

Capy,

Absolutely! I just finished building the base page for your event, check it out at http://bertram31.com/block_island2000.htm

Best regards,

Patrick,

I posted the same link months ago.......

By the way, I have a 3D computer generated image of 24 B31s in a sunflower. Could you post it if I email it to you? Some unlucky owners who can't make block, may want to see what it would look like.

Regards,

I"ve had a 951X for four years. It's awesome..... fast, accurate, has great support, and water is all the same color. Spend the extra units on something less flashy, like a well stocked bar.

Starting to prepare the webpage for the Block Island Rendezvous and ran across a webpage devoted to the island and its features. Thought some of you might find it useful or interesting...

(Main URL is http://www.blockisland.com/ )

Best regards,

Charles,

Welcome Aboard! Time is growing short; less than two weeks. Suggest you email Paul Gozewski, (Capy), directly @ gozewski@tiac.net, if you haven't already.

Best regards,

I am confirmed to be there, and will let you know more about the island tomorrow. I am tired and going to bed, but have a few ideas for some of the questions asked...

That is fantastic! I will be there definately, as the boat is finally running. We bypassed the freshwater cooling and made the manifolds raw water cooled for now. We will tinker a bit more in the fall, but at least I can break them in and enjoy the boat for now!

Patrick - Unless you have a free lawyer, then their bung holes contract. You do.

Uncle Vic,

Thanks! Yup, those cable modem thingies are pretty quick. My standard through the Ma' Bell copper wire circuit wheezed the attachment out in a mere 7 minutes...

Thanks for the copyright offer. I understand the mechanics and reasoning, but not sure that it is worth the effort. Once copyrighted, any infringements would have to be litigated at a cost far exceeding any potential value of the product. Limited marketability and such...

Glad you like it!

Best regards,

Save me a cap. Keep the lip gloss.

Hey Block Island Group!

You've been recognized by the Richard Bertram, Inc. - Best regards, Patrick
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Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 11:16:56 -0400
Subject: Bertram 31 Rendezvous
From: Pat Allen
To:
CC:

-- Paul -

We heard from Captain McCrary about your upcoming rendezvous of 31 owners on Block Island. Our Sales Manager, Jill Shave, thinks it's terrific that 31 owners are getting together and has arranged to have some items sent to you.

Specifically:

Bertram caps

Lip Gloss in Bertram logo cases

Six Ladies shirts (for a drawing)

Six Bertram mugs (for a drawing)

Please let us know the # of boats participating and the correct address for shipping.

Additionally, have you contacted any magazines or press regarding this? If we can help in that regard, let us know.

Patrick - not to sound like a commercial for the @home internet cable service, but the huge thing you sent me yesterday downloaded (see, I can use the word in a sentence) in less than two seconds.

I love the screensaver. You need to copyright it, and I'll offer to do it for free.

sorry...

Fiberglass, oversized rudders, prop tunnels, etc.

Richard,

Call Sunray Plastics @ 561.844.7722, (Riviera Beach, FL), and ask for either Mike Jr. or Sr.

Tell 'em I sent you and ask for a sample of the 6mm stock, preferably at least a foot square. Should be free, but if not tell them to bill it to me... (Free sample might be smaller than that, but at least get a 3"X8" which will fit in a standard legal envelope).

Any problem, call me 561.848.3366

Best regards,

Bill - you qualify. Don't matter how good the engine is, as long as it don't run. I have about 10 outboards in my shop that don't run, and I love them all, and have plans to fix them someday. Some old as me.

Bring guns. Knowing the folks in your neck of the woods, ya'll better sneak out the side door. Word get out ya'll got that kind of cush, they gonna be lined up in front of your house.

Reminds me of the time about 30 years ago I got appointed by a federal judge (work for free) to represent this bank robber. Not the smartest bank robber around; took some of the 250 Kilounits he got (an extraordinary amount for a bank robbery, usually about 5 k) and bought a new Mustang with cash, some of it "bait money" where the serial numbers have been recorded. So the FBI nailed the guy two days later. I cut him a deal to do less than 99 years if he would give the rest of the money back. He had buried in a old chicken coop up in north La. and he gave me the directions, so me and the FBI went to get it. Big deal involving airplanes, cop cars, etc in the middle of the night in the rain. Dug up the loot, and on the way back to twon the old deputy driving the car I was in said "Word of this get out and they won't be a goddam chicken coop standing in Winn Parish".

But do buy the pretty lady a rock, son, it will get you more fishing time.

Jeff,

Send me some photos. I'll add 'em to your page. Not often a guy gets a hundred Gs stuffed into his hand for having fun on B31...

Brest regards,

Russ,

Check the "Links Page", it there.

Best regards,

Stan - yeah, mail the tape to me a 2355 Drusilla Lane, BR 70809, or if you want, call 800 260 9908 and ask my paralegal, Sybil, for our FedEx number and send it that way. Notice how I didn't put my FedEx number up on the board, Sonny.

Stan, I have 9 boats right now, including the Wanna-Be Reef, which is getting a new bottom as we speak. The reason I have 9 boats is I sold one recently.

I gotta get some stills off the 450 tape to show these guys whast real fish look like.

Stan,

Do I qualify;1)31SF-no run 2)16 Baby Donzi-no run 3)6ft.Zodiac-no run

P.S.The donzi does have a '1971 1/2 Corvette LT1 engine,110hr..

I have the Glasstech deck, been in heavy use for 7 years. Bulletproof. No cracks, no chips, no nothin' - in my opinion, the best. And, they are a pretty big company, locasted next door to the Bertram factory in Miami, family owned, and put on a really nice exhibit at the Miami show each year. Point is - they have been doing this for 20 years, and know the B31 inside and out.

Jeff,

I have the deck from Glasstech,it is not installed,but fits up very well and is very well made.If you go with a glass deck,take a look at the rear soport shelf and a possible modification to the teak finish piece.I believe I have seen an alternative offered,can't recall where.

I haven't seen any of them, but also check out Cabrera & Sons in Florida. They make some beautiful stuff. If you run your exhausts back one stringer section outboard of the origonal location you will make room for their built in fish boxes too.

Stan - what happened to the video of the 450 beating the crap outta Bob and Lyman?

My two cents,

About 10 years ago on my first bluefin tuna trip on my 24 foot Stamas, heading out at 3:45 am, pitch black, no moon, haze and condensation on every part of the boat, including the windshield.
Me and my mate Danny B.,continue on near blind from the foggy windshield towards the merrimack river inlet(deadly is appropriate). I get the bright idea to open the bottom front vent windows on the windshield to dry up our view. The windows clear up just in time for us to see a ten foot breaker heading straight for us......wave hits boat, vent windows are ripped of the frame and deposited into the cockpit, several thousand gallons of green water flow through vent openings and nearly wash me dan into the sea. The boat stayed afloat and kept running even though water was up to the valve covers of the 351, every thing in the cabin was waterlogged, and dan and I were in the cockpit with the vent windows and tackle. got a 9/0 gamakatsu stuck in my fore arm which I pulled out the hard way.

Regards,

Just posted this on another board, thought some of ya'll might benefit from it too...

------- http://boatbuilding.com/cgibin/forum.cgi?read=7454 -------

In reading Don Dando's post, (http://boatbuilding.com/cgibin/forum.cgi?read=7394), I noticed his reference to "...you'll be busy scratching instead of sleeping."

Many of you already know the misery associated with microscopic particles of fiberglass dust once it's imbedded into your pores. For those who haven't had this pleasure yet, believe me when I say it's pure hell. Bad enough if you sleep alone, but when you contaminate the sheets -AND- your significant other, there's all hell to pay!

For those of you who have future fiberglass grinding to do, here's a few of hints to make life more bearable:

1. --BEFORE-- you start grinding, rub down with talc. Talcum powder from the drug store is damn expensive, (about $10-$12 a pound). Buy from a fiberglass supplier, (around 50� a pound). Same stuff, just no perfume or corn starch. Hell, you don't want smell like a baby anyway... What this does is pre-plug those pores with something that doesn't itch!

2. Invest in, and use, full zip-up disposable jump suits. They allow your skin to breathe, but block the fiberglass dust. Add a knit jersey head sock to keep it out of your hair.

3. Clean up outside. Use a garden hose, let the water run until cold before rinsing down. Get out of contaminated clothing before coming into the house.

4. Do not stop, do not collect $200, go straight to the shower. --Do Not-- shower in hot, or even warm water. This just opens the pores. Take a cold shower. (Sissies can add a little hot water to the mix, but just enough so that your privates don't look like a starter button on a Model T Ford.) You can bring on the hot water --After-- you've rinsed away any remaining fiberglass dust. Notice that I said "rinsed". Don't lather up and start going after it with a wash cloth. You'll just rub any dust in.

Do all of this and you'll love yourself. Any significant others won't be kicking your scratchy butt outta' bed in the middle of the night.

Regards,

Patrick

Patrick - Jamie is a rare lucky man. very few guys have a wife and a boat that good locking. I'm in the same league, since my bride of 34 years is quite a looker herself. But my 31 don't look as good as his.

Always someone out there you can aspire to emulate. One of the lessons of life.

I bet all the guys that own 31's could get together, pool resources, and own the world. We be smart.

Mikey and Mikey - this could go on forever. Like the time Capt. Brent - then about 11, reared back to make a long cast and hooked his little sister, Jennifer in the forehead with a jighead. She still wears his ass out about it 20 years later. Or the time I grabbed the 250 lb blue marlin by the bill and decided I was Atlas, and it kicked my ass, came up on his tail, and slapped me under the throat with the side of his bill. Carry the scar to this day. Tell folks in Europe it is a dueling scar. Or the time - 35 or so years ago, on a party charter boat out of Fourchon, La - we had a school of cobia (us coonasses call them lemonfish) up around the boat, and the capt, a guy named Charlie Hardison, free gaffed one about 90 lbs, lifted it over the side, got it between him and the gunnel, and it flipped and broke his hip. Big time broke it. We are invincible.

Uncle Vic,

That good lookin' do-dad in the cockpit, ("Double Mac"), is Jamie MacGregor's better half. I may do the next screen saver around Cappy's Rendezous...

Best regards,

Patrick - I did it by clicking all over the place and then it just did it. I could not do it again in a zillion years. Don't understand the glossary. But, shucks, results are what count. Anyway, the screensaver is a wonderful peice of work, and I'm enjoying it. Maybe want to modify it to do a close up on the hood ornament in the cockpit of the whatever 31.

Sonny - you be dead, or you just hiding?

Uncle Vic,

Glad you got it loaded! Just took some figgerin' out to help you skin a "cyber cat"... Thanks for the great plug too! Maybe "both" is pretty close to the mark... I'm not quite a Card Carring Geek, just Irritatingly knowledgeable... {GG}

Best regards,

Capt. Patrick - it worked! Geeeeezeee. It is awesome! I watched the whole thing. You are an artist!

All right, fellow Kool-Aid sippers, send the man a little money for doing this. That is an order. If you are short, call me at 1 800 260 9908 or private email me, and I'll front in total confidence for you. Not You, Sonny.

Patrick, you must have spent a week on that screen saver, or you a lot faster than I think. Maybe both.

I'm going to email it to my office and replace the girl Sonny sent with the B31 saver. What a world, what a life!!

I know I shouldn't need to remind anyone, but all of you who wind up at the Block Island meet be sure to get double prints of all those great photos you're going to take. I'm looking forward to posting a multiple page section just for the event.

Also don't forget to add the necessary words to accompany the photos!

Cappy, get someone appointed to be the "Tribe Scribe"...

Fred, if you can pull off that aerial shot, send me an 8X10, I'll reimburse you.

Best regards,

mike,

I think some will bound to be there, as 30 boats are supposed to go! I cannot stay for three nights and was originally booked for two, if they would let me stay for two I would stay at champlins. Paines does not take reservations, so I am "winging it".

regards,

Mike - you sure right about that. I managed to put a big s.s. double hook from a Halco thru my hand a few years ago while trying to unhook a big YFT. Capt. Brent had seen a trick on TV where you pull it out backwards with a piece of mono, and it worked. Kept on fishing, but sterilized it internally with a fifth of JD Black Label. Never felt a thing. Made a little plaque and have the hook hanging on my wall in the office, in fact, looking at it right now. Reminds me dumb is pervasive. I had to cut a gaff out of the leg of a deck nand once with the bolt cutters I always keep on the 31. Guy was a 12-stepper until that. Fell off big time.

Wish I could figure out how to make it to Block Island. Don't count me out yet, but does not look doo-able.

Russ and Wayne,

Russ, since you asked, (and I responded), first I'll give you first refusal. My set will be $125 + shipping, (2 lbs). I can be reached at 561.848.3366. The image below is actual size, 8 5/8" w, approx 4" h

Wayne, if Russ doesn't want them, you're next in line...

Richard Sabatini in Raleigh N.C. does all of the castings for Bertram, (then and now..)

He sells the SS Eagles for $98.02 each, the chrome "Bertram" letters for $37.40 each, & the chrome "31" for $15.52 each. (Just over $300.00 for a full set)

Richard's info is:

Richard Sabatini
2813 Combe Hill Trail
Raleigh, NC 27613
919.845.7119 phone/fax

Best regards,

Everyone,

Fred raises some good points....but as I've said before on this board regardless of who else goes, capy will be at block on friday afternoon, and anchored in the great salt pond on saturday. I was firmly committed to champlins until they called me and told me I would lose my two night reservation if I did not add a third, I then promptly cancelled my reservation. I will be arriving on friday afternoon and will grab aslip at paines dock. Hopefully enough of you B31'ers will get there by saturday afternoon so that we may make a sunflower of anchored B31's. I calaculate that we need at least 20 to pull it off!

Regards,

Mike,

Just talked to Richard Kidd. He said the the ones with the lettering were cast in pot metal. Check your's out and if that's the case, be careful trying to re-chrome. It can be done but needs to go to a plater who knows his stuff.

Best regards,

Don't feel too bad Vic. Two weeks ago a guy who was fishing up here in the North East had to be heliported to shore from the Hudson Cannon. Seems this particular fellow decided to subdue a YFT with the wrong end of the gaff. Get the point? He did,...right through the lung. The truth is stupider than ficton.

Russ,

Is this the casting that you're looking for? Stainless steel?

Best regards,

Russ,

I also have a pair of the eagles that were polished and re-chromed. Will email you directly.

Opppsss.... I'd first thought that they were chrome over bronze, but in speaking to Richard Kidd, the originals were SS. (For a short period they'd made them of plastic, but that didn't fly...) See my next post for an image.

Best regards,

Mike - hurts big time. I used to keep a alum softball bat on the boat to bash the YF's with, and some of the bigger dolphin. One time I had a 100 plus YF banging around the cockpit and went after him with the bat. He was slinging blood and guts all over the place, and one of my crew was washing down when I went after him. Hit him once pretty good on the head, and then the second swing - a really hard one - I slipped and hit myself in the shin with the bat. Had to break out the emergency bottle of Jack D. Black Label. Kept on fishing, but my shin turned black,and swole up the size of a football. Two days later x-rays showed I broke my own leg. Middle on the list of Dumb Things Uncle Vic Has Done on the 31. The hook in the hand one will wait for another day.

Keep the Faith.

Will - have had the same thing happen with my cummins panels - the alarms will go off, but the gagues will be o.k., but on the other hand, it helps to turn the key on and off a few times, and spray some contact cleaner in the keys, 'cause sometimes the oil press will read low, or the temp hi when there is nothing wrong. It is annoying, but I have got to the point that if I don't perceive something running hot by objective means, such as steam, or noise, and the oil pressure is pretty much a function of if it ain't leaking, ahs oil in it, it gonna run or break fast, and if it's gonna break, it will give you warnings, such as smell, low rpm, and noise.

But the gague set and the chip-driven panel, is not friendly for the 31 bridge that is out in the weather.

Hey Wayne - I've had yellowfins come thru the side of the cooler - in fact the 180 Rubbermaid on my 31 has a lot of f.g. and resin on it now - but not break the boat. I saw a new-ish Cabo 31, with no flybridge or tower, for sale for 289 Kilounits. For folks with mo' money than sense.

I scanned the traderonline boat section for 31's today, and there are some new ones on there. Some in the 150-180 range. Now we makin' money, boys!

Fixin' to head across town to my dad's 90th birthday party at one of my sis's. He's in good shape and it should be a hoot. I think I'm old. . . .

CABO cracked in Cabo This morning on a radio show " lets talk hook-up" a caller said after landing a 280# y fin the fish pounded the deck so hard a hair line crack in a C A B O sportfisher developed wonder if its guaranteecido...

Mike - you can't afford them, remember. Yo boat ain't running yet. Get the mech. done before you you start dollin' her up. You like my son, the rich and famous Capt. Brent - if it looks good, it runs.

Teasing you, obviously. Capt. Brent had a little come-down latly - his home (my Sinking Houseboat) is on the bank, and he is living on my 31, taking showers on the dock. A/C works, and the head, so I guess that's about 99 percent of living on the water in Louisiana this time of year.

I have had a come to Jesus on this whole deal - time to put the Sinking Houseboat back together, spend a few Units doing that, and then - - - Uncle Vic gotta go spend some time on it, or Put the .44 Mag. in his mouth. Bluntly Put. The world is oblong.

Good news is tomorrow nite we are having my dad's 90th birthday party at one of my sis's house. That is neat.

Steve,

I've got a pair in mint condition, new chrome. Email me...

Best regards,

The adress for Patrick.

Let me look at the lawyer-dribble calendar when I get to the office. I'll set something up.

Craig.,.,.,uncle vic is right on point with his suggestion and practical application, 20K wow that had to be right down to the bonding strap in the bilge.,and then max everything out I mean everything for that kinda dough.,.I guess it depends on what you want to accomplish, its obvious to me that the factory panel leaves you very little options to do anything in the way of upgrading, ac, stove,etc even to put in a genset.,your looking at some kinda secondary sub panel.,.,I ripped every wire stacon and bond out
and started new evrything.,.my boat was gutted and open.,., in order to do the things i wanted to do i cant see the boat being together, it sounds like your boat is together and in "great running condition" so a complete rewire,,does not sound to feasible.,I mean your talking overheads .,low voltage d.c halogen.,.,v/berth the same.,. gensets, inverters, fridge, stoves, a.c. all the goodies
and that type of redo does not lend itself to a boat in "great running condition".,.,cause i would be running it to death rather than ripping it all apart.,.nobody but you knows exactly what you want and what you need to be comfortable.,.,its a lot of work.,,but i'm sure you realize already that it is worth it.the factory panel was 9 by 11,.,.,.my panel is 9 by 17 with 12 d.c. circuts .,6 a.c. circuits in the same location as the factory.,.,and that was a trick in and of itself ,.,If you need any help or suggestions, i would be glad to chip in
uncle vic i see mike wants to come over in Sept for a little action.,count me in

Ditto. Someone post the address.

Sonny - great news that you are getting close to splahing. I would suggest that you use 3/16 mild steel plate on the bottom, and then blast it and coat with two part epoxy coal tar. Then, pour about 6 inches of high strength concrete on the inside, coat that, and you are ready to, to, to, -
Sorry, Sonny, I got the wrong boat - I was talking about the Sinking Houseboat.

What the hell you doing to your 31? I just thought you were painting her? You gotta be richer than I thought. With ex-wives(?) to boot. I had a (ex) law partner once that got married so many times we printed some bumber stickers for his latest stag party that read: "Honk If You Have Never Been Married To Mike ____" Did not get a lot of honks.

Uncle Vic has taken some action in the last couple of days that may free up his time a little. I need to go catch another blue marlin in the worst kind of way. Right, Stan? Had to put up with some stuff that my coonass phyche wanted to handle another way, but would land me in jail. Someday I will tell you guys about it.

Don & Dianne,

Thank you for your kind donation to the B31 Website Cause!

I received your note, check, and brochure for Great Oak Manor B&B on the Chesapeake Bay this afternoon. It's refreshing to know that the honor system just might work.

It's rare that I'm on your piece of the water but will surely stop in if I ever find myself there. Be sure to send me a photo of "Making Memories II" so I can get you onto the Images Page.

Your generous donation also deserves the addition of your website link on the Links Page.

Best regards,

Capy - I think the B31 with the 3208 is a concrete block solid combo, and the guy I bought mine from had one before with 3208N's at 210 hp, and I fished it a lot. The weight is so high that it is awesome in a head sea. Downside is there is no room for nothin' other than the Cat iron. I understand (from unknow sources, maybe I dreamed it up, or looked at one at the Miami show after having too many drinks with umbrellas in them) that the higher hp 3208's are too wide for the 31.

I would go with the inline 6's, such as the Cummins 6bta, the Cat 3116, and the others.

I'm back from San Diego, and I'm pissed. Can't tell you guys on the site, but I've told several of you in private e-mails. Pleade don't post what I said, 'cause it's real serious. Having a LARGE clear right now, and ready to forget a disgusting situation. All in a day's work has it's limits.

Anyhoo - I put Harco (?) spreader lights on my half tower, 120 vac, two of them, 500 w., and they require the wearing of sunscreen at the transom. Big Time Bright. Sort of cheap construction, but all anodized and stainless, and have lastet 5 years. Use the std. 500 w. halogen bulbs you can get at Home Depot ro the hardware store for 5-7 USD.

Don't worry about the GPS antenna being that close. both of mine are closer than that to the radar antenna, and no problem. Not the same frequency, and the worry would be heat. Yep, heat. It's a microwave, boys and girls, and the radar, microwave frequency, (micro - wave means short radio waves, like micro-centimeters) creates heat, just like your microwave oven. Depending on the power output (4 kw will fry stuff a foot away, if the antenna did not turn), that's how you determine where to put stuff.

Don't go to any trouble to angle the base of the radar up since the vertical tolerance is about 20 degrees, even tho they will say in the book it's about 5 or 10, but they lie.

Anchor light: Since I never anchor unless I'm borke down, mine is on the front of the fly bridge, where any vessel coming from the stern will see "only" the two 500 watt spreder lights. Mount it where it works, not on top, 'cause at night, there is no substitute for having the bridge dark so you can see other stuff, like the bank and big steel stuff, like ships.

See you guys for a while, I smell dinner, and I'm bushed, and still pissed.

To All,

Finished welding out my radar arch yesterday,finally!Now I have to locate holes for wiring,and decide on GPS mounting.The radar will be mounted flush on the arch and the gps about 28in.to stbd..The book says mount it on a 36in.(appx.)stanchion ,but most pictures of mountings I see its right on a stub on the arch.My arch does have a curve which puts the gps flange 3in. below the radar base.Any comments?

The arch can be laid down fwd.so I nead a flexable conduit to go from leg to bridge side.I am familiar with "weathertite",but I would like S.S. fittings.Any one have knowledge of these connectors.

Is it OK to mount an anchor light just under the arch?

What do you use for flood lights?

Anything else I should wire for?

Stan,I saw in an old message you were mounting a swim platform.Suprised Vic didn't comment.I mounted one but designed and fabd.fold up hinged to get it out of the way for the day I catch a fish.If your'e interested in seeing pictures let me know this week.My wife will be in the U.S. next week.

Carlos,

You will be getting lots of calls when I get into the rewiring.I have to convince you to come down to POZ and give advice.

As I am replaceing decks,tank etc.,I decided to run plastic conduit aft from engine box to transom area.I did not like all the wires fastend solid.I used hot water pipe for conduit,not regular conduit.

QUESTION

Is tinned wire that important?My existing wire is 30yrs. old and still looks good,not brittle or corroded.I am not including the obviously damaged,oil soaked etc..

Bill,

Gaffs, boat hooks, and other like gear would be no problem. Light weight rods, like spinners and bait casters would be OK also. Mounting something like trolling rods would require some sort of reinforcement in conjunction with the fasteners and mounting system used. I'd advise a minimum of 3/8" screw penetration for lighter items, and 3/4" for heavier items.

PVC Foam Board takes and holds fasteners fairly well. Thinner cross sections, (1/4" and below), need additional backing thickness to both spread the load and give the fastener a better bite. Stronger fastening can be accomplished by using SS toggle bolt or nylon toggle anchors, (the kind used for dry wall).

By pre-deciding where things might be mounted, before installation of a panel, you could add any necessary backing blocks using scraps of the same material to build necessary thickness and sized to spread the load.

Best regards,

Mike,

Not sure I quite understand your question, and marine mechanic I ain't, (beyound the basics and a propensity to tinker). Bruce would be more qualified to answer this one...

http://usamarine.net/cgi-bin/mechanical/bbs.cgi

Best regards,

Richard,

The PVC Foam Board is far less dense than some alternatives, (fiberglass, Starboard, the Home Depot fiber reinforced mystery plastic), but in terms of all compared, the PVC, (at least in my opinion), has an edge on the others. Lighter, easier to work with, less expensive. The only thing that is less expensive are some of the coated pressed fiber materials that won't stand up for long to a wet environment.

An Aftco rod butt or gaff is going to do a number on all of them. The Starboard will *not* be repairable, only replaceable, (in addition to being the most expensive way to go). The Home Depot stuff only comes in one thickness, so a backing or core is necessary. Blank panels of 1/4" fiberglass are almost as expensive as the Starboard, *if* you can find them, (usually have to get a custom layup).

Other than PVC Foam Board and Starboard, the others don't have any sound insulative quality by themselves. Fiberglass panels will rattle up a storm without a lot of fasteners and caulking.

The PVC Foam Board is relatively simple to patch, fair, and re-paint. Even if replacement is necessary, it's far less expensive than Starboard & is still my choice.

Best regards,

Patrick

Russ,

Yup... I use a high duty coolant for all marine engines, gas or diesel.

Best regards,

Vic,

If you come to the rendezvous I'll show you a tight squeeze, but enough about my wife, my walk through has to be as narrow as any B31 around and I never did give up the bud!!

regards,

PW,

I tend to treat any engine in a deep v boat as a heavily loaded application. Therefore I would look at commercial ratings in making your selection. A good place to start would be david pascoe's web site, he is a marine surveyor who talks straight about what works and what does'nt

I don't think you can go wrong with 3208T with a commercial rating of 300 hp. Long service life, great power and speed, and it will ride better than most 45 footers. When I need a repower, thats what I'll put in.

regards,

Mike - solution is just start drinking Slim-Fast instead of Bud.

Craig,

Detroit diesel recommends straight water with just rust inhibitor added, for southern applications. The reason for this is, water has a higher heat x-fer coefficient than water/glycol mix. It does not have a higher heat capacity, however, and will boil over faster if you plug up your intake for any reason. I have been running 60/40 water/nalcool in my 6v53's and they run cool, but, seawater in the northeast may get to 75f max.

regards,

Mike,

We had a custom SS 180 sweep made up by a local shop. Doubled back over the top. Then also my eng boxes were custom and designed around "the-port-engine-sticks-out-to-damn-far" problem of the 300B.

That's one of the only things I like about Detroits, everything is mirrored so that you can set the engines up as true port and starboard.

Sounds like you're getting close to being (semi) done!

http://bertram31.com/proj/bert/img/port_eng1.jpg  This a gigantic view of one below.. 90+K

Best regards,

Craig,

Never run just water alone. Leads to overheating, accelerated corrosion, and pre-mature engine problems and failures. I use Nalcool 2000, (owned now by PENRAY COMPANY and aslo goes by the name Pencool). Don't use regular automotive antifreeze, they're too light of a duty glycol mix. It'll work in a pinch and is better than just plain water, but not as good as the marine grade coolants.

For all and more than you want to know about coolants, as recommended by CAT see: http://www.cat.com/products/parts_n_service/05_fluids/05_service_publications/_publications/cool.html

Best regards,

Mike
Why don't you make your exhaust fit your boat instead making your boat fit your exhaust.Did some body build your elbows and if so why didn't they measure the boat.If not,it is very easy to modify those elbows.I would seriously consider doing this as there isn't much walkway as it is.
Hope you get it figured out.chuck

Stan, Vic - Got my starboard exhaust hooked up Saturday, built a heavy mounting box for the 2 4d batteries and set them in place (between the engines, but raised to just below the hatch level), replaced one shift cable - actually 2, but the old one I tried to use on one side is no good, so I need to pick up another tomorrow. Should get the battery cables to the engines hooked up and finish that other shift cable in the evenings this week. If the tranny coolers and tachs come in, we should crank this weekend. Then the nit-pickin' trouble shootin' can begin.

Phew, I was scared!!! You are going to have terrific new decks. They do first class work!

Patrick.

I wish I had heard from you when I did my bulkheads. While I am not afraid of them coming apart at all, your way does sound great.

As usual it is described in a very concise, understandable method. Joe will have no problems doing it your way at all! Joe, call me if you need help installing the bulkheads. Bill did my templating, but I can now fiberglass with the best of them!

Patrick, as always, incredible. I have printed it out for the records.

Kallite makes it with either a textured finish or smooth finish. Also, if you turn the textured finish over, the back side is smooth and can be used as well!!!

Hi Joe!

Sounds great! Here is my opinion...for what it is worth.

My bulkheads were so rotten I could not salvage them. The fuel is heavy, so be careful of distortion, but we used cardboard to template the basic shape and faired the plywood into shape. That plywood is good stuff unless you are going into exotics and you and I both are not ready for that.

If you don't want to do that (templating) then use a sawzall I would think.

To tab in the stuff, don't be afraid to screw it into place and then tab in over that. Not a big deal. When are you planning on doing the tabbing and installation, let me know I might be able to come help. Lay in the glass with about 2 inches of glass cloth from the joint. Fill it first with a resin and filler combination mixed in the consistency of creamy peanut butter to avoid air bubbles or voids in the joint.

My friend Bill Jennings is actually pictured on the introducing page of this website tabbing in the joints around the fuel tanks on my boat, so maybe we can borrow him or his knowledge if you want.

If you need more info, let me know.

Bill,

Vic is right, there are a bunch of old posts on this, way down back in december, but here is what I did and it works great, as well as is very well priced. All the info is back in those posts, or I can try to dig it out of the drawer when I am back in Boston again, probably next week...

First around the cockpit. Starboard is great, but really really expensive. I used a product called Kallite wall board which is a fiberglass sheet material. You can buy it in 4 X 8 and 4X10 sheets. The 4X10 works well. They will ship it to you. It is paintable. It will not absorb water, and if it does, (but that would be tough to believe!) then for the price it costs, just buy more and template off the old ones. It is really inexpensive and works well.

For the v-berth I pulled the carpet out and put 1/4 teak slatting in with teak trim. I used plywood fibergassed to the inside of the hull for ribs and screwed the teak to the ribs. I bought the teak from St. Angelo hardwoods in Bristol, RI, who will custom mill it for you and ship it and is great to work with. Additionally he is a distributor who will sell you direct, saving you a ton of money!

Good luck, and let me know if I can help with specifics!

Well, I thank you all for the incredibly thorough details, Vic, as usual, incredible.

I may have the problem licked and will know tomorrow...

The replacement fresh water pump was a standard rotation pump and the problem is on an opposite rotation motor, so that pump would suck instead of pump. That would be bad. When I put the old and the new next to each other, they are the same flute arrangement, so both are uni-directional. I have a bi-directional pump on order to deliver tomorrow, and I hope that that will take care of it. IF not...well, there is another mechanic in the wings. the giveaway in my mind is that the water from the garden hose did not change velocity at all when the motor was revved, and that to me means it is being controlled, instead of restricted, which is exactly what that water pump being backwards would do...

I will keep you all posted (pardon the pun...), and my fingers crossed!

If it works Capy, I will see you on Crane's beach this weekend!!!

Dear Bertram 31 Aficionados,

I guess that I should pick a name for this page that is some thing other than "News".... This is the first update since back in March. I'll try to do better in the future!

More... http://bertram31.com/news.htm

Best regards,

You guy's hit the nail right on the head, it does sound like something dumb. Dug, I would seriously shop for a new mechanic if he is ready to throw in the towel. It should be a matter of pride that no technical problem could stump him. I agree with vic and sonny,check all hoses and pull both heads and examine gaskets.

regards,

Carlos - at the risk of being nit-picked, almost all overheating problems are caused by restricted cooling water flow in either the raw of heat exchanger circuits. Fuel/air mixture will affect it some, with the leaner the mix, the hotter the engine, but that's mostly true on air cooled engines, such as aircraft. Marine engines have an unlimited supply of low ambient temp. coolant available, namely sea water. The issue is always getting enough flow and heat transfer to let the sea water take the engine heat away into the deep blue. The causes of poor volume and circulation start with where the sea water comes in, and stop where is goes out the stern: valves, hoses, strainers, pumps, clooged water passages in block, heat exchanger, heads, thermostats and their related housings, aftercoolers, gear coolers, and so on. Obtain a cooling water circuit diagram for your engine, or make your own. The Cummins 6bta manual has a great color one, blue for seawater, red for the antifreeze side. It is a "simple" matter of tracing flow from a to z in a methodical manner, taking notes as you go. Short of internal head or block corrosion blocking passages, the culprit is usually a simple one, and easy to fix.

In Dug's case right after a rebuild, improper installation of gaskets sounds like a prime suspect, but I would still start from a and work towards the other end.

Well, I'm installed in San Diego for the week. At least the weather is nice and cool.

Pete,

Kinda' figured! Will *try* to get up there soon... Let me know the date you are going to sea trial, I'd really like to be along for the maiden ride if there's room! My best to Rusty & Chuck.

Went down to Liquor-dale a couple of weeks ago to look at a repo'ed 34 Gamefisherman from Destin. Boat was a DOG... Advised the potential owner to "forget it!" On the way back, we stopped by your place and hopped the fence to take a look at "Vizcaya". Almost had the guy interested in it, but I think he still has his eye on the Gamefisherman. He's a very good friend, but I think he's pissed at me for not having more appreciation, (or sharing his optimism), for the other tub's potential.

Best regards,

i really didn't want to yank the tank. But it would make the job a lot easier, and more importantly it'd be done right. Once I get the bulkhead out, I'll decide what to do on the tank. It'll be one of those, 'oh well, i'm this far i might as well finish it'.

FWIW, Pete, I use the pic of your boat for sale for my background as a reminder of what she'll look like someday.

Joe.
you are so far along now take the old tank out, i removed mine you would no believe how much water the old foam held,it was like snow cones under the tank, must have had 50 gallons of water in the foam. the way i got mine out was to use #19 tuna wire, fish the wire under the tank then make wooden handles for each end use sawing motion start from the forward end and work back.it's a 2man job but shouldn't take to long.,pressure test the tank and reuse if it's ok. use 2 part 4lb density pour foam to reinstall the tank and make sure the fiberglass limber holes are clear and still intact. good luck

Sonny,

I've heard of Penske board on several occasions, and had your question posed to me before, but I'm really not sure I've ever seen the material. If I have, it didn't leave a lasting impression...

The 2mm PVC Foam Board is pretty fragile, don't think that it'd be suitable for anything much more than as cabinet liner material. In general, what ever thickness you'd use in plywood, double it for the PVC Foam Board.

I used the PVC Foam Board for overhead liners on a 110' motor yacht's upper deck overhead a few years ago. All open to the weather and about 900 sq ft of area. Used 6mm stuff on that and after pre-fitting, each of the over 80 panels were covered with an upholstery vinyl, (contact adhesive & monel staples on the wrap around)

The 4mm, (1/4"), PVC Foam board might be a good material for both your overhead and "walls" in the V-berth, especially if covered with vinyl or Awlgriped w/ a flattening additive to kill the gloss. The flexibility of the material would lend itself to the inside hull contours. You could pre-form it after fitting, (before covering or painting), with heat lamps. After cooling it has pretty fair memory retention to the new shape. A polyurethane adhesive would be used for installation, after covering or before painting.

The "fiberglass" shower board, (Home Depot stuff), is a strange material. I experimented with for a few days several months ago, thinking it might be an alternative for one project. I couldn't find anything in the shop, from acetone to toluene that was reactive with it. Test laminations using both epoxy and polyester were less than impressive. Seems to be some sort of fiber reinforced PVC, but PVC cement or solvents don't touch it either. Like I said: Strange stuff.

It does accept construction adhesives well, like 5200, 101, etc. The back side has less texture and the material sands easily, don't know how well it'd polish up if carried that far. Never tried. It's very flexible like the PVC but doesn't heat form like the PVC. Just seams to fall apart under heat and bending. And, takes more heat to boot.

One of the local custom teak manufacturers who does pre-fitted teak decks as drop in pannels, (similar to the way Teak Deck Systems from your area makes them), uses the shower board as a scrim backing. Works very well... ( http://www.maritimewoodproducts.com/decking.htm ) Food for thought if building a similar type deck system or "teak & holly" strip flooring pannels.

Best regards,

HI joe

I did replace that bulkhead.,a couple years ago and i kept the templates that i made to do the job and your welcome to borrow them to do your job.,i would think,,they would fit give or take , a little.,., and it might save you some hours.,it took me hours to fabricate it., cabinet maker in the boat and me on the outside line to line and point to point.,.,.,but they came out right..i just dont know how you would tab it with the tank still in .,.,i used a sawsall and a sledge hammer to get that tank out and had annother (aluminum fabricated) made .,i got the template for that too
in case you want to tackle that
either way .,.,your welcome to it

Patrick

Thanks for the info. I hope to get the bulkheads out today, so I hope to use your technique this week.

Thanks again

Bill,

Let me know if you have trouble getting the stuff or if you're in doubt about any material that you do find. My local supplier is one of the largest suppliers in the country for PVC Foam Board and will ship anywhere in the southern 48.

The material you're looking for is white, w/ slick faces and rather porous between. It's all one material, not a lamination. The surfaces are generated during the manufacture as the sheet is passed between rollers. It's about 1/2 the price of Starboard...

Note that while I used a fractional dimension in my earlier post, it actually comes only in metric dimensions, from 2mm (1/8") through 228mm (9"). 3/8" = 6mm

It's also hot air weldable and can be formed for radiused bends with either a strip heater or a heat gun...

Best regards,

Joe,

A product called XL Plywood is available only from Greenwood Forest Products in Portland, OR. It's a treated marine plywood that is guaranteed never to rot, (even carries a transferrable life time warranty), and has a higher fatigue resistance than other plywoods. Standard marine ply *will* rot just as fast as cheap ply. Even standard PT marine ply will eventually go south. Compare the prices and delivery cost to weigh out your decision...

Greenwood Forest Products

15895 SW 72nd Ave. #200

Portland, OR 97224

800.333.3898

fax 503.670.7755 (no website or email but they do advertise in Professional Boatbuilder Magazine http://www.proboat.com/ )

Use 2" door skin strips and a hot glue gun to make accurate templets against the original while in place. It'll only take you a couple of hours and will be easier to handle than the full bulkheads. You then don't have to worry about bringing them out intact. Rabid Beaver Rules...

Tabbing will be difficult between the tank and the facing bulkhead on the re-install.

First, grind down to clean glass all contact areas and perpendicular outward for about 6" every were possible.

Pre-treat your ply, especially the edges, with denatured alcohol thinned epoxy. Two coats, 2 hours between coats. When the second coat is about 4 hours old, wipe the ground hull areas with denatured alcohol, and apply one coat of straight un-thinned epoxy. Apply the same to the edges of the ply. Wait two more hours, giving the epoxy a chance to begin it's gel cycle. You're now at 6 hours into the job.

Next mix enough epoxy and Cab-o-Sil to build a heavy bead on the contact line. The bead should be about 1/4" - 3/8" thick and 1/2" wide. (By measuring the linear run and multiplying .2 you'll have the volume of mix needed)

Now carefully install the bulkhead, fill in any gaps, and fair the squeezed out epoxy mix into a generous fillet, (say a 1" - 1 1/2" radius), (don't worry about the area between the tank and bulkhead) See also: http://usamarine.net/cc/proj/tips/epoxy.htm

Allow this to all set up for 24 hours and you'll be ready for the tabbing. Three light weight close fitting tabs of 1708, (8 oz), biaxle w/mat backing will be far stronger than 1 tab of 24 oz roving. Build the first tab 12" wide, (6" to hull, 6" to ply), the second at 8" centered down the first, and the third at 6", centered down the second.

If you make all of your epoxy runs within 12-14 hours of each other, you don't need to sand between runs... After 24 hours, you must sand between that and the next coat. Prepping and tabbing a bulkhead should take about a 1/2 day, so the two bulkheads should be do-able in three days, excluding your templets, tear out, grinding, and vacuuming up the debris.

Notice the limber hole cutouts in the sketch below. After the initial installation, fit PVC pipe sections with epoxy and Cab-o-Sil. This will give you a generous drainage system and further protect the edge grain of the ply. See: http://usamarine.net/cc/proj/tips/sleeving.htm (same principle applies...)

Have fun and get sticky!

Best regards,

Ok guys, my turn to ask for help. I've got everything out and am down to the bare hull, gas tank, and the 2 bulkheads around the 177gal fiberglass tank. Both of these bulkheads need replacing. I'm going to replace them with pickled 3/4" marine grade plywood (unless there's something better?). Only thing I'm stuck on is how to get them out without pulling the tank? I'd like to get each one out in one piece to use as templates. Also, I'd really rather not remove the tank, as I hear its a bear to get back in right. Not too mention I've still got 90gal of 2yr old gas I haven't been able to remove yet. The boat's a 1962 if that makes any difference. Any help is greatly appreciated. Also, any tips on tabbing bulkheads in would be great.

Uncle Vic,

I sorta' like my wimmin' trashy... Think you oughta' go with the tri-color. How 'bout doin' a custom inlay of a marlin in various colors of Astro Turf??

You D' Man!

Sure is good to have you back. Look forward to the lawyer dribble next week from the left coast!

Best regards,

Bill,

A rigid PVC Foam Board is one very good option, (see http://usamarine.net/cc/proj/tips/pvc.htm ), and should be available to you from any plastics dealer who supplies the sign industry. Start by calling those who sell Plexiglass...

I'd go with 3/8" thickness. The material is white with a medium density surface. It can be left "as is" and will clean up easily and have good UV protection from yellowing. Lightly sanded, it accepts paint well. The core is on the porous side, so any cut outs should have a surface filler applied or ring faced with another material, such as Starboard or, (if you're a masochist), teak.

Pete Fallon is in the process of replacing his originals with the PVC. I haven't talked with him in the past few weeks, so don't know what progress has been made, or what problems he's incurred or perceived... I'm sure he'll kick in on this post with his next visit.

Best regards,

Bill - there are a bunch of old posts on this, and I think the consensus was to use Starboard. I have some fiberglas coated stuff that is backed by stuff that looks like heavy ceiling tile that has lasted for years, but check way back in the posts where the Starboad is discussed and where you can get it. In the v-berths, if you are talking about the sides with carpet, I decided to keep the carpet, since I'm sorta trashy at heart. did not change out to tri-color shag yet, but thinking about it.

Uncle Vic,

Here's the run down on how to download and install the Bertram 31 Screen Saver. The un-install section will also lead you through getting rid of an unwanted screen saver.

http://bertram31.com/screensaver/install_uninstall.htm

If this is all still Greek to ya', just give me a call at 561.848.3366 and I'll walk you through the sequences...

Best regards,

Stan - 117 is what I now remember you told me, and the pix confirms it. Gotta post it. Almost as impressive as the fighting chair lady that Sonny sent. Stan, sho' am glad I'm not your life insurance salesman. I used to scare them off by mentioning I was a private pilot. Worked for some. Spearfishing aound offshore oil rigs for 117 aj's ought to run off all but the rank rookie salesmen.

Let's go catch a blue marlin.

Dug - been 20 years since I had those engines, but did have a drive-you-nuts overheading problems with one, so I'll walk you thru what I finally did to solve the problem.

1. the engine is creating heat by having fire in its belly, like internal combustion;

2. the design is to carry the heat away by circulating water through the block, heads, and exhaust manifold. forget about the mininal heat transfer of the oil cooler and trans cooler.

3. sea water is sucked in (remember this, its sucked under a vacuum) thru the bottom of the boat thru the sea cocks. Is the offending sea cock open? No, not the lever or valve wheeel, is the actual gate or ball valve open? Levers rust and sometimes don't turn the valve, as do knobs. I just had to replace a seacock where the threads on the gate valve stripped, and you could turn it to your heart's content, and the valve gate did not move. If necessary, take the hose off the outlet side of the cock and stick a long rod or screwdriver down thru to be sure it's open. Use an old towel to stop the torrent, but the boat won't sink while you do it. While the hose is off, turn the cock on and off to make sure it's working right.

Next - now you know water can be sucked thru the cock, look at the hose. Is it possible that the inside layer of rubber has a flap that's broken loose and has become a check valve under suction? I had it happen, and you could look thru the hose and see light at the other end, but under suction, the flap came loose and blocked the water flow.

If hose ok, now check the sea water strainer, remembering that it's also under suction, so any air leak will destroy the suction. Check the gasket around the top, usually cork, and it goes to sh-=t after some time. any signifigant air (suction) leak will destroy the proper water flow before the sea water pump. Keep tracing on the suction side, being suspicous of any clamp, hose, etc, until you get to the sea water pump. this is where you go from suction to pressure. Condition of flexible impeller pump is probably the most over rated culprit in overheating. If the impeller is intact, and the pump is not squirting water out the shaft seal, it's not the problem in serious overheating situations, just maybe the low level ones.

Make sure you don't have fragments of a prior blown up rubber impeller in the seawater pump inlet and outlet. I had that problem with one of my Cummins, where an impeller lost a couple of blades, and they lodged in the pump body output and also in the suction side, since when an impeller goes, the pump tends to backwash and you will find pieces of the impeller in the suction side, sometimes in the seawater strainer.

OK, we are now on the pressure side of the seawater circuit. Pressure is easy, since it squirts as opposed to suction, which sucks air which you cannot see, unless you live in South Louisiana, when the air this time of year is bright blue due to heat, humidity and pollution. We make your gas for your car here, and sorry we jacked the price up, but sh-t happens. buy Exxon stock.

Let's follow the pressure side from the seawater pump. Either goes to a heat exchanger or if none, straight thru the engiene cooling cirucit, and in both cases, out the exhaust by injecting it thru the exhaust elbow. If heat exchanged, check the flow thru the exhhanger. I find the best way to do this is to pull the hose from the exhanger to the exhaust elbow off and crank er up, and see if it blows a steady flow. If if does, then last check the exhaust elbow. Probably the worst offender on boats. Imagine a 3/4 inch hose under some pressure going into a matrix of holes about the size of a pea in a cast iron (with gas v-8's) that feed into the exhaust. Only way to check is to remove the elbow, use old hack saw blades and stiff s.s. wire to ream out, and blow with 150 lbs air pressure, or hit with a 3000 lb pressure washer, but be careful of your eyes, etc.

If heat exchanged, you are now dealing with a separate circuit, which is the within-the-engine heat transfer to the anti freeze mixture in the inner circuit of the exchanger. Figure out where it starts, say use the circulating pump as a startintg point, and follow the flow. Pull every hose off and crank motor and check for flow, without thermostat installed, so you know you are getting what is supposed to be unrestriced flow.

Bottom line is your problem is some simple restriction in flow on the pressure side, or lack of suction on the intake side. My gut is that it's in the exhaust elbow if not a suction side problem. But to get it fixed you have to start with a and follow the flow to z, taking ntoes all the time so in frustration you don't try the same fix twice. Time, Patience, and Money.

Good Hunting. Luck don't count in this game.

Uncle Vic

O.K. Craig - I sell stuff too, and I guess the same as you, and we both probably have the time honored, and earned, b.s. detector. Did I read it right, that you will have your 31 in your back yard? If so, the idea that you would have someone else rewire your baby is nuts. I have always had to keep my boats one to 3 hours from where I live, and have always dreamed of having the boat in my yard, which I did with my old 25 Bertram which almost fit on a trailer.

If you have it in your back yard, where you can take little things off and into your workshop, look at them, think about them, hit them with a wire brush a little, put them down and come back an hour later, you are home free. My experience is that those of us that can (a) afford to have a 31, (b) have the eye for the lines of the boat, and appriciate it, (c) like to do stuff themselves, and can figure out basic physics principles, are (d) the real kool-aid drinkers, and what Bayliner owners ain't. I will come to your back yard in, say January, at my own expense, and help you with rewire. No Kidding. Would suggest we con Ric to come too. He is doing somthing we will all be stunned with when he's finished, but he don't talk about it a lot.

You are on the right track. You can rewire your 31, with AC and DC circuits, done right, with a lot of thinking and sketching for under 2 kilounits, and it will be better than new.

Well, I changed out the fresh water pump, the impeller on the raw water pump is fine, the timing is good, there are no air bubbles in the system. She is still climbing the temp scale, and leaves no sign of stopping. Damn it we have one motor on the port side running a bullet proof 140 w/no thermostat, but the starboard one is not quite that nice to me...

Ever since the head came off and was put back on, the pain in the butt has not stopped wanting to boil water, and since it is summer, I don't need any hot tea... Any ideas? My mechanic threw in the towel today, and has admitted defeat. I am either going to ask the machine shop to take it back and make it work, or I am at wits end...

Craig, did your boat have plywood decks or teak? I love the glass tech decks, but if it was teak, that is a shame!!! :)

Stan - sounds like you will be ready to hum shortly. Crypic bills and work orders written (sic) by coonass mechanics indicate that my genset may be fixed. Problem seems to be that they worked their butts off figuring out how to hook up the indicator lights on the gen panel to work. Duuuuhhhhhh - that panel was for the old Faryman set and don't go with the Kuboda, and were never supposed to be hooked up. I guess they are now. Something on the second bill about "owner needs to get mechanic to fix broken water hose on genset". Huh? Will call 'em from left coast next week and test French skills. Also bill for fixing autopilot, which looks pretty straight forward. Saw the discussion about autopilots and elec. in general. All now beyond me. Actually I thought Stan was an excellent autopilot on our marlin trip. Only had to take the wheel once when approaching the jetty at right angle midway up. Would have made a great hull test for the 31. but shucks, we were basking in glory and lightin' the load with the beers.

Go head and finish her, cause I'm gonna show you how to fish with a pole rather than a gun.

I agree - not that hard to do. Ric needs to weigh in on this, cause he sent me pix of his wiring job, and it is world class, and he did it himself. I used to be sort of an electronics hobby guy in my distant youth, and solder and heat shrink tubing - using real marine wire that's tinned - can turn a mess into stuff that will work for decades. Make your own diagram as you go, then clean it up, make 40 copies, laminate about 20 of them, and stick them in out of the way places, cause you will forget what goes where in a week. use the little label makers and stick labels everywhere sayiing what it is, and what it does, and where the other end is. Use circuit breakers - avoid glass fuzes - don't ever use in line fuse holders, cause you will never find them again. Solder all connections, even the crimp ones, and then heat shrink them with the kind (aircraft, I think) with the heat actived glue in it. Never use silicone, as it is impossible to get off the screw heads when you need to change something. A little silicone grease or just Vaseline will last forever. Keep wires parallel - don't bunch up with 50 wire ties on different bundles. Cut excess off rather than coil up. Use big wire, not only for the carrying load capicity, but it is easy to work with rather than little chickensh-it #16 stuff that breaks when you look at it. Carry lots of wire nuts for quick repairs rather than the crimps, which you never get right when the boat is rocking. Learn to solder - practice on juck wire. Do not use acid core solder, only resin core. Do not crowd panels - leave room to work and repair.

Random thoughts from years of screwups. Never use a screw when you can put a bolt with a lockwasher and Loctite.

Not hard

Mike, remember: unlimited Time, Patience, and Money will solve most problems. Keep on pluggin, and you will get it done. Stan Smith sent me an email at the office while I was gone with a pix of the g.d. biggest amberjack I ever saw that he shot under an oil rig with his speargun. Stan is not a real tall guy, but this a.j. is at leat 6 feet long. He told me how much it weighed when we were on the magic marlin trip, but I forget. Stan, put it up on this site to make the cod fishers squirm. I've caught some aj's that were big, and they kicked my ass on bottom tackle, but can you imagine spearing one 100 feet down and then hanging on? Crazy, Crazy.

Now, the official report on the sinking houseboat. Marine surveyor says the stern 8 feet of the hull is gone, so the welder is replacing it. Concrete job is out - back to steel and sandblating, coal tar coating, etc. Should be back in business in a couple of weeks, just in time for hurrican season. Ins. co. will not pay for emergency tow, lift, etc to keep the sucker from sinking. Wait till next time, and see how fast I spend my money saving their risk. cocks--kers. The world is oblong, as the coonass say.

Anyway, sent out many large diaster relief checks today to solve the Money part of the problem. Time and Patience are next. Plus paid bills for fixing the safety shutdowns on the genset and to reconnect the autopilot. I don't know if I can afford to be this rich. My credit card bill from the pond crossing deal is gonna affect the balance of trade. Plus, spent 4 and a half hours on a conference call today to get ready to waste next week in SD. It ain't fair.

Craig,
Not much wiring in the 31 to begin with anyway.

Economy has been so good, the repair shops backed up, that they are charging anything and getting away with it.

Should be able to get the job done for about 5k.
Wire and labor included.
Bruce

Hey Wayne - go over there all the time to the fish market and outdoor restaurant, mostly to cast an eye on the roller blade ladies. Man could lose lotta units there, but go broke with a big smile. My favorite place in San Diego is the Fish Market restaurant on W. Harbor by the tuna harbor downtown. go there so much the sushi chef just nods and cuts the bait for me. Class deck for clears in the late p.m. and watch the sun go down over the nuke carriers.

Sonny - yeah, them Swiss are hoots, for sure. The two operators spent the whole time I was up there eating bananas. Maybe automation has gone too far. They both own summer homes in Finland and share a Lake amphib, which Uncle Vic has flown many years ago, and is a great little plane if you can afford to keep the Franklin engine running. The Swiss pilots replaced the Franklin with a Lycoming, and say it does great. they must make a sh-tload of units eating bananas and playing grab ass with the waitresses. Where did Uncle Vic go wrong in life? Watching the world go by from FL 400 eating bananas vs. shooting legal bullets by the hour. By the way, the flat personal video panels that they used to have in first and business class are locked, and they now give you a Sony video-man DVD player. Rumor has it their carsh may have been caused by the power supply to the videos catching fire. I sniffed a lot both ways, but mostly enjoyed the ride and the clears from Russia and the Ayatolla's fish eggs. Small reward for 200 kilomiles with your former employer, who in first class won't even give you a g.d. banana.

The world is in fact oblong, not round.

Catch 'em up. Try the Uncle Vic Killer Bait - cast a 2 oz. yellow bucktail jig with a no. 64 rubber band tied to the hook; cut the rubber band and tie one end to the hook with the other end trailing out behind the jig. For some reason it drives bull dolphin nuts, and the jig is big enough so most of the chicken dolphin can't get it. Works good on Yellowfins too.

Wish I was going with you instead of heading to the office to see what havoc has been reaked upon my world while I've been gone.

Uncle Vic,

I'll get an instruction page up this weekend for ya'.. Even tell you how to remove the dolly!

Gotta' go try to capture some dolphin this morning. We've had 7 straight days of west wind and full moon phase to add a kiss of death to our fishing last week. Wind turned back to the southeast on Wed, maybe we can get lucky again today.

Best reagrds,

Patrick

Mike = glad to be back, I guess. My german is not up to snuff and I got some tired to trying to pronounce those words that are about a foot long just to get around. My body thinks it's time to get up, but the clock is not cooperating.

Hey Sonny - I flew Swissair out of Atlanta to Zurich, thanks to Delta's freq. flyer miles. There are 12 first class seats on the MD-11, and man, it is FIRST CLASS! Going over only 4 seats taken and yesterday only 8, with 5 waitresses and a 8 course meal. The pilots let me sit in the jump seat and play aviator for about 1000 miles over the Atlantic. After about 20 clear drinks I could probably flew the thing. Sonofabitch is some big.

Hey Patrick - for us computer dummies, how do you download the screen saver and make it do its thing on your screen? I'm not kidding - I don't have a clue how to do it. My screen saver at home has a Cessna 185 on flots on it, and I don't have a clue where it came from. At the office I have the pix of the girl Sonny sent me in the fighting chair, and can't get it off. Have to put a cardboard box over the screen when I leave.

Help.

Russ - I used auto door weatherstripping I got from auto supply place and stuck with the supplied adheasive and it's been fine for 5 years. They make a bunch of different shapes, and just find the one that will give you the most "squish".

At long last the 1st ever Bertram 31 Screen Saver is available! http://bertram31.com/screensaver/preview.htm

My appologies for having taken so long to get this job done...

Best regards,

Russ,

At West Marine, try the SKU #: 409664 or 406563.

It is hatch tape, for exactly what you are looking for!

Good to have you back online Uncle Vic! We missed you...

Hope you had a great time over there. The 118 posts that you have to catch up on are nothing to what one of us would have if we were gone for the same length of time. Hell, everyone knows that Uncle Vic is the life of the party and drags in the posts like 'skeeters on bare Yankee's butt!

I've spent the whole day putting the 1st Bertram 31 Screen Saver together. Starting to get right cross eyed looking into this Cyclops... I've promised myself that I'll have it ready and posted for download before I quit tonight.

Again, good to have you back!

Best regards,

Stan - let's go catch another blue marlin, maybe week after next?

I'll be around the house a while tonite before I crash, and at the office tomoorw, and the house Sat.

Jeeeezeeee, it's hot - maybe have to go to the 500 fathom curve to find cool enough water to fish. On the other hand, the 450 was right on the 500 line.

Well, glad I was missed. Yep, I'm back a little early. got up this morning in Zurich and it was about 50; my driver picked us up at the B.R. airport at 5 and it was 100. I got to be out of my fricking mind to come back early to this.

I've not had a chance to read all the 118 posts since I've been honeymooning in the Alps. Just for the record, the Sinking Houseboat tried to live up to its name while I was gone, and they managed to plug it and - sho' enough - use two cranes to pick it up and sit it on the bank, and the welder is working on it, so I'm told, all of this long, long, distance from over the pond.

Anyway, if any of you guys ever get the chance to fly Swissair, do it. Them folks know how to fly. Try 4,611 n.m. within one minute of the schedule each way. I fly a lot, and that's near impossible. Bad news is I will be heading to San Diego on Sun. morning on the red eye. I gotta be nuts. I am nuts. I'm married to a high mantianice woman, to boot.

Gonna turn the a/c up. Damn it's hot.

Stan,

Furuno is the best in my opinion, and the FCV582L would probably be my choice... ( http://www.furuno.com/fishfind/fcv582l.html ), but in the $1,000 price range, you might look at the FCV600L.

Both are available through Online Marine, (http://www.onlinemarine.com/online_superstore/electronics/fishfinders/fishfinders.htm )

The "biggest bang for the buck" might be the Raytheon L750 Fishfinder. I've never used one, but it looks interesting at $749, complete with bronze transducer... http://www.onlinemarine.com/online_superstore/electronics/fishfinders/raytheon_l750_fishfinder.htm

For a B31, I doubt that I'd want a 1000 watt unit... Takes up too much bridge real estate, and the transducers are monsters.

BTW... I have no relationship with Online Marine and make no commissions. However, any product that you find and order through our iicaptain Marine Store, ( http://imra.net/iicapt/ ), DOES generate a commission for me, (and would help keep this place alive!)... Compare the prices and features...

Best regards,

Patrick

Stan

I went with the raytheon v850 color fishfinder. I use it for tuna and cod fishing. We fish in water from 150' down to 300'. When looking for bait, we might even go down to 400'. Its a 500watt, dual freq (200/50), dual screen machine, that has white line, a scope, interfaces to loran and gps, has plotting capabilities, and lots of other nice features. I tried the comparable furuno, but didn't like the user controls. Same with the sitex 600watt unit. I've got a friend with the sitex, and it doesn't hold bottom very well and doesn't mark as nice as the raytheon. The only other one that I liked a lot, was the commercial version of the sitex (forget the name, simrad?). But that was more $$$. Don't know if raytheon makes these anymore (mine's 5yrs old), but if you can find one, I'ld highly recommend it. Its a good low end commercial/high end recreational unit. I think it ran me aroun 1k.

Craig,

Check Bluewater Books and Charts in Ft. Lauderdale. Specifically the two following titles.

Should be all you'll ever need to know about marine wiring systems...

Marine Electrical & Electronics Bible

Boatowner's Illustrated Handbook of Wiring

Go to their site serch engine,( http://www.bluewaterweb.com/htdig/search.html ), and type in: WIRING

Have fun!

Best regards,

Oh, BTW...

While we're talking electronics, I just remembered one item to pass along to those who might be interested in GPS chart plotters.

As you know, I put my, (or rather the client's), money on Northstar. The 951, 952, & 961 are the chart plotters for Northstar and use the Navionics "Nav-Chart" chart cartridges. The datum contained on these cartridges is un-surpassed. They are just as detailed as the charts that they represent, and some zoom down to the 1/8 mile range.

I upgraded a 941xd to the 951xd for one client a several years ago. On one trip to the upper keys, we left the dock at 8 PM. The wind was pumping from the southeast at around 25 kts, so we ran the ditch. The ICW run between Palm Beach and Miami is a royal pain in the ass in the day. At night, the pain increases to the level of pure torture.

The 3 Nav-Charts for this area cover both near offshore, (about 15 - 30 miles out), and all of the ICW, from Jupiter through the upper Islamorada area. ($99.00 each)

We stayed primarily in the 1/4 mile chart range, occasionally dropping to 1/8 mile. The detail can only be described as fantastic. Every nook and cranny, every channel marker, full info on major markers and buoys, closely spaced depth info, etc. Just like having the NOAH paper chart in front of you.

Last year the client bought a Venture 34, and, (against my recommendation), fitted the boat with lower priced electronics, including a Garmin GPSMAP225 DGPS/plotter. While Garmin is a quality product and was the leader in GPS technology, the marine chart cartridges that they use for their plotters are far less detailed. Almost to the point of being a joke...

The Northstar steps through the plot positions in a seamless manner and without hesitation. Looks more like watching a video. The Garmin, not only lacking chart detail, pulls up a static chunk of memory from point A to point B. As you move out of point B range, the next chunk of memory is called up, taking up to 10 seconds to load.

The comparison between these two GPS Chart Plotters is like comparing a Dodge Neon to a Cadilac STS. Granted, the owner saved a couple of grand over installing a Northstar, and up to the point of wanting to use the mapping feature, Digital GPS is Digital GPS... But the difference between the two mapping systems is staggering, and the cost of the chart cartridges is almost identical.

The client is so unhappy with the Garmin that he's asked me to swap it out with a NS 952XD. The end result will cost him a bundle over what installing the NS in the first place would have been.

The moral of this story is:

Be slow to jump into "false economy". Don't believe everything a manufacturer touts out about the wonders of his product. Find some way to actually SEE the product in action before you "B(reak) O(ut) A(nother) T(housand)" If at all possible, hold off on your electronic purchases until the next major boat show in your area. Comparing units there is a breeze and the prices are usually hard to beat elsewhere.

Best regards,

Ric

I've got the raytheo v850 color video. Great low end commercial/high end rec unit (500watts, dual freq, split screen). On a run to wildcat, we crossed a 1000' hole and i marked bottom, while a friend's sitex lost bottom at 800'. That was hooked up with a rayteon 535 loran. Raytheon's electronics are real easy to hook together. ALthough, I didn't like the raytheon radar (24mile). The one on a friends boat had a lot of trouble with sea clutter. I used a furuno 16mile for 10yrs and it was great. It was an older one, so it didn't interface with the raytheon gear.

Capy,

I've sent my deposit to Champlins, but they haven't cashed the check yet.....I hope they still have space available.

Patrick, an article in the new issue of MotorBoating about the Ferretti regime at Bertrams and their new 45 and 51 footers mentions that Norberto Ferretti, owner, has a refurbished 31 of his own. Since he has a background on offshoe racing, there is a good chance he had it before buying the company.

Ric,

I've had several client boats with all Rayethon packages. No flies on any of them... Everything worked, but I sure missed the other brands that I like better. If you do go all Rayethon, you'll get the hang of everything in short order. Watch your prices though, sometimes a Ratheon unit will cost more than one of the benchmarks from a different source.

With your proximity to Raytheon, you should be able to make good friends with one of their top techs. Invite him on fishing trips and get him to train you!

Best regards,

Russ, I will look it up tonight and get you the number etc. for the west information tomorrow. I am on a borrowed computer now!