Would appreciate some help

AShevey · Post by **AShevey** » Jan 9th, '07, 16:34

My names is Allen Shevey and I have just recently joined your sight. I am trying to buy a 31 sportfisher from a friend of mine but neither one of us really know what the boat is worth. The boat has been out of the water for 4 years and has been neglected. It has 350 engines in it that were running when pulled out of the water, but who knows now. The interior and flybridge is all there but could use a great deal of attention(money).The hull seems to be sound. My take on the boat is that it would need to be completely redone. If the motors ended up being alright that would just be a bonus to the project, but I am not counting on it. If anyone out there could give me some guidance I would certainly appreciate it. I have been a big fan of the 31 for a long time and hope that soon I can join the ranks of other 31 owners.
Thank you Allen

neil · Post by **neil** » Jan 9th, '07, 16:40

allan what year is the hull and where is it located,chances are some of the faithful are near by to give an opion neil

Rawleigh · Post by **Rawleigh** » Jan 9th, '07, 17:14

Can you take some pictures to post as well?

thuddddddd · Post by **thuddddddd** » Jan 9th, '07, 17:23

without pic's I can tell you it's worth more to him , than it is to you.
motors/tanks are a issue to the tune of 5kish for decks/tanks(you doing most of the work) motors , pick your posion. Dougs take outs 4k full yanni repower 60k. electronics 5 to 20k. interior might be yuor cheepest 2-10k again depending on what you want. Paint or polishing the snot out of the gel coat 2k-15k.
So bottom line 25- 30k for a soso refit to100+k all day. market is a bit soft , so unless you can do or have done Jimmy gato/Captain Pat/who ever did JK's boat(and whoever else I've missed) type work, the resale on a ok refinished gasser is probably 50-80k diesel might be 20k more. I'd venture your buddies boat is in the 25-35 range. And that might be high. You really need a survey.

In Memory of Vicroy · Post by **In Memory of Vicroy** » Jan 9th, '07, 17:32

Damn - Timmy giving opinions on RLDTs with authority...we have created a monster.

Hey Faithful, me & the Bride are going to Miami Beach tomorrow for a week of fun & sun & the big anti-q show. If anyone wnats to have a clear or whatever call my cell, 225 937 1319. Perhaps afternoon high tea, maybe some quiche' and finger sandwiches, some sherry and ginger snaps on a doiley?

UV

neil · Post by **neil** » Jan 9th, '07, 17:41

uv you hit the nail right on the head ,when you said timmmmmmmmmmmmy is giving advice on rldts . allan take the boat for a sea trial if you can,if it makes it back to the dock give him 25 k cash and your on your way. neil;

thuddddddd · Post by **thuddddddd** » Jan 9th, '07, 17:41

UV , I had a apifany(sp?) After years of listen to you and the proff pontificat, some of it was bound to rub off. I mean heck how many of the same "I just bought the second best boat ever built. How much is it going to cost to ????? it" threads can I read over the past 5 years and not have some of your vast wealth of knowlege seep into my addeled little brain??

Yo frien
Thuddddddddddddd

thuddddddd · Post by **thuddddddd** » Jan 9th, '07, 17:55

Neil, just cause I drive a ferrari, don't mean I can't give advice on a escort, do it?

waggles02673 · Post by **waggles02673** » Jan 9th, '07, 18:27

thuddddddd wrote:Neil, just cause I drive a ferrari, don't mean I can't give advice on a escort, do it?

That's the Timmy we know!!!

Bruce · Post by **Bruce** » Jan 9th, '07, 18:59

Based on your description of the boat(motors are trash) I would say the boat is worth 25 to 35K.

(and whoever else I've missed)

Mike,
Next time you see our resident red headed stepchild, smack him for me.

Harry Babb · Post by **Harry Babb** » Jan 9th, '07, 23:53

Hi Allen

Welcome to our sandbox....

My thoughts are that if you are willing to and capable of doing most of the work your self offer 15K and negotiate from there

If you are not willing to spend all of your spare time, and then some, for the next 2+ years or do not have the resources to restore this boat yourself be prepared to dig really deep into your pockets to have it restored professionally.

I followed the restoration of a 31 FBC that was done professionally from the keel up, money was no object, and the final bill exceeded $250K but it one fine ride when finished.

Harry Babb

AShevey · Post by **AShevey** » Jan 10th, '07, 07:11

Thanks for the help. I will try to get pictures on here of the boat if I can figure out how to do that. Also where might I find the hull #. Thanks again Allen

thuddddddd · Post by **thuddddddd** » Jan 10th, '07, 08:38

See, I knew I'd miss one of the greats. consider me chastized
And sounds like I was close in my diatribe, to the value and costs.

34Hatt · Post by **34Hatt** » Jan 10th, '07, 08:48

And sounds like I was close in my diatribe, to the value and costs.

So we will see how close you are on your Project!!! I know I went OVER Good Luck with that!!!!

thuddddddd · Post by **thuddddddd** » Jan 10th, '07, 09:03

Dan shouldn't be able to go over budget, as I've carried 200k for the number..........of course I've only been able to fund 30k of it.

Thudddddd

CMP · Post by **CMP** » Jan 10th, '07, 11:25

Tim, what the fark are you doing? I'm throwing the flag on you for unsportsmanlike conduct-taunting. Sto pit. And as far as you funding ANYTHING for $30k other than the right engines for the Tubb, fuhgetaboutit! Get the convicts back to work...

CMP

JP Dalik · Post by **JP Dalik** » Jan 10th, '07, 12:20

Sooooooo can you get the convicts from the ladies prison too. Work Release- sounds relaxing

scot · Post by **scot** » Jan 10th, '07, 14:05

Allen comes on line to get advice from "the experts" and end up with something about women's prison labor?....Allen, welcome to the sand box.

thuddddddd · Post by **thuddddddd** » Jan 10th, '07, 14:35

JP, hummmmmmmm, you've got me thinking.
got a call into the warden

thuddddddd · Post by **thuddddddd** » Jan 10th, '07, 14:39

CMP, left a message for Dave. If we go down the one path it will be close to20- 30K with the paint and other thing were debating. If it's down the other path a bit more, and if I get the IPS and volvo power your trying to talk me out of, well I won't be able to buy that new set of Hanks rods.....

Brewster Minton · Post by **Brewster Minton** » Jan 10th, '07, 14:51

Allen, if you want a bertram 31 get one. Not because it makes sence $$ wise. Its all about making it yours, not how fixxed up it is or fancy but the time you spend on it and the good feeling of friends and family and time shared. If you just wanted a boat you could make the mistake of buying a Hatt or Bayliner. You want to be driving THE BEST BOAT EVER BUILT and whats cooler than that? It took 12 years to get mine right for me. Its the journey not a place. Good luck The 31 is the way to go in the end.

thuddddddd · Post by **thuddddddd** » Jan 10th, '07, 15:12

Brewster, 12 years to get it right for you?? whats it finaly on blocks? never to roll again?

Chiles · Post by **Chiles** » Jan 10th, '07, 15:33

Timmy,
You have little room to talk about boats being on blocks.

The smartest thing you almost did was trade the Tubbb for a restored Bertram. Too bad the Bertram owner wised up.

I stand corrected... Moving in with Kathy was pretty smart too. Now...what was she thinking?!?

Chiles

Brewster Minton · Post by **Brewster Minton** » Jan 10th, '07, 15:36

12 years because I did all the work by my self. Every wire, every hose, everything. It may not be perfect but at least I did it. Anyone can buy a boat and have someone make it nice for them, but for me, I wanted done by me. Not everyone has the time to do it. And boating is differant for everyone. Some want it all done so they can go have fun and thats cool too. It might take more than 12 years to finish the Tubbbbb with the amount of time you spend on Bertram31.com giving a hard time to the owners of 'THE BEST BOAT EVER BUILT'. Your bud Brewster.

thuddddddd · Post by **thuddddddd** » Jan 10th, '07, 17:03

Stew, 2 things. Kathi often asks herself that very question, sometimes daily, normally hourly.
Second I found a couple of stripped Hunydi's up here with "good" motors. You want that I pick em up for your next project????????

come on Brewster, your not a sheep, following UV's pan pipes , best boat ever built malarky. Second best, after the tubbb I'd give you, if I drank enough of the proff's good scotch. If you check with him , I'm sure he'll confrim that I work on tight budgets. Once, he dropped a titanium bolt off his ducatti in the garage where we pitted during race weekends(he and I used to roadrace motorcycles). At that time I was riding clapped out jap stuff. 2 weeks later I'd scrounged enough stuff to go wtih the fancy bolt that I was able to campagin a clapped out frankenstien ducatti based thing, and placed well on it. Best part of the bike was the bolt mike later told me he had thrown away, as it out lived it's work life.

And yes I enjoy giving members of the "faithfull" a hard time, heck I like giving everyone a hard time. Defencive personality quirk I developed being a military brat, moving every few years whether I needed it or not. Feel free to check with kathi, I'm a equal oppertunity abuser

BTW, my fiberglass enginer works for beer, and not much of it, as I can't afford the stuff he likes.

yo frien
thudddddddddd

Tony Meola · Post by **Tony Meola** » Jan 10th, '07, 23:24

Allen

Since it does not look like any is answering since they are all picking on Timmy, I will try and get you started.

Uncle Vic is the hull number expert, but depending on the year it was built, and I believe it was 73 in which they started to put them on the starboard corner of the transom. Before that, it seems they would write the number on various hull parts and some times the numbers don't match up, depending which pile the part came from. Some guys have found them written on the inside of the hull up in the V berth others somewhere in the transom area.

If you go to the old website www.bertram31.com and do a search you will find Uncle Vics instructions for deteriming the year built and the model, ie flybridge cruiser, sport fish etc.

Good Luck. Tony Meola

CaptPatrick · Post by **CaptPatrick** » Jan 11th, '07, 05:40

Allen,

I believe that Tony means the old bulletin board, which was archived, but still searchable: http://www.bertram31.com/bb/bbs.cgi?noframes

Specifically, hull number I.D. can be seen at: http://www.bertram31.com/bb/bbs.cgi?noframes;read=62666

Early to mid '60s models will generally have a piece of paper glassed to the inside of the hull under the port v-bert hatch. Later models prior to the hull number being on the upper stbd transom corner may be on the inside of the hull & center of the transom, below deck level.

Many B31s no longer have these glassed on I.D. numbers, but as Tony said, look for numbers under cabinet drawers, and around the underside of any plywood surface.

Doing a Google search of bertram31.com only, (not the whole web), returned this list...

Br,

Patrick

Tony Meola · Post by **Tony Meola** » Jan 11th, '07, 21:38

Capt. Pat

Thank You I would have hated to send him on a wild goose chase. Tony

Harry Babb · Post by **Harry Babb** » Jan 18th, '07, 17:26

Allen
If you are serious about buying a "Project boat" look at a post by Whaler1777 entitled "Its Back". On that post there is a link to a Bertram 31 Express Cruiser that can be purchased right now for $9800.00. The "Express" is a rare model of the 31's.

The one listed on Ebay needs everything.......I got the feeling that the one you are looking at needs everything also........This one can be purchased for less than half of the estimated value that most of the faithful were quoting.

Once again..........where in the hell was deals like this when I was 20 years younger and a lot smarter than I am now.

Harry Babb

Whaler1777 · Post by **Whaler1777** » Jan 18th, '07, 18:10

Pop in a bid for 5k and the boat could be yours, there is no reserve... Only thing is by the looks of it im pretty sure that you're going to have to take everything out.. right down to the stringers and start from scratch... IMHO its worth the 5k

Harry Babb · Post by **Harry Babb** » Jan 18th, '07, 19:57

Okay Whaler1777 are we talking in some kind of secret code or somthing.....What the F*$# does IMHO translate to in English
Harry Babb

Tony Meola · Post by **Tony Meola** » Jan 18th, '07, 20:19

Harry

I think he is saying In My Honest Opinion. Tony Meola

Harry Babb · Post by **Harry Babb** » Jan 18th, '07, 20:44

Tony
That makes perfectly good sense.......I simply couldn't figure that one out........
You doing Okay???
Thanks
Harry Babb

Tony Meola · Post by **Tony Meola** » Jan 18th, '07, 20:48

Harry

As I get older I find that it gets tougher to keep up with all this internet lingo. Tony Meola

Kingfish · Post by **Kingfish** » Jan 18th, '07, 20:49

Harry,

It could also mean.........In My Humble Opinion.

Whaler1777 · Post by **Whaler1777** » Jan 18th, '07, 21:09

sorry guys... it usually stands for in my honest opinion...

Harry Babb · Post by **Harry Babb** » Jan 18th, '07, 21:16

Thanks for the education guys.........some of the lingo I can follow....I'm from Alabama and although I am trainable it could be difficult for both of us.
Thanks
Harry Babb

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