News from Bertram

PeterPalmieri · Post by **PeterPalmieri** » Nov 6th, '15, 10:49

I did say "half mil" in a prior post, so I'm taking the over. Add in a teak deck and combing for me Mr Fallon.

In any case that fiberglass work and paint job I've been saving my pennies for on my ole gasser sure seems like a bargain now, just don't tell Rob.

Bruce · Post by **Bruce** » Nov 6th, '15, 16:10

Pricing is in the 600k with genset to start. If sales increase so will price. Power is cat 7 liter to start then 7.1 but they aren't available yet. 450hp. Solid laid up hull no coring, although it was discussed more to come

Pete Fallon · Post by **Pete Fallon** » Nov 6th, '15, 18:08

Faithful,
If I ever get this knee straightened out I might buy just one, but I am a purest no prop pockets for me. Enjoy the Bertram party, it was 75 degrees in the Boston area this afternoon.

Yannis · Post by **Yannis** » Nov 7th, '15, 10:24

C'mon you guys, any pics for us 10k miles away?

Mitch · Post by **Mitch** » Nov 7th, '15, 19:40

Capt Patrick disregard my email for memory loss on my login info took a high dose of krill oil and figured it out
Sorry I missed u guys last night. I sat in the Bertram tent today for A while. got really excited about the new deal. Thomaston Me for the build.??? seriously sounds pretty high tech construction and design hope it's good as it sounds and looks. He said C7 power to start around 450 horse hoping for around a mile a gallon cruise

PeterPalmieri · Post by **PeterPalmieri** » Nov 7th, '15, 19:54

There are few pics on Facebook on the Bertram page. With some specs

jrhaszard · Post by **jrhaszard** » Nov 8th, '15, 10:33

Six Hundred Ninety Five Thousand

Tom Curran · Post by **Tom Curran** » Nov 8th, '15, 16:46

Thats just silly money

Kevin · Post by **Kevin** » Nov 8th, '15, 19:57

I thought it would be cool to have a newer boat if the price was reasonable. Reality is that a reasonable priced boat is way more than I could ever think about spending. I will have my POS for a long time but it gets the job done and still gets compliments.

Pete Fallon · Post by **Pete Fallon** » Nov 9th, '15, 08:49

Bruce & Capt Pat,
How was the show? any earth shattering news from the New Bertram people, did they settle on a price for the new 35?. How many of the faithful showed up at the show?

PeterPalmieri · Post by **PeterPalmieri** » Nov 9th, '15, 14:49

I'd be interested in anyone's thoughts on the demographic that is going to buy these...

Bruce · Post by **Bruce** » Nov 9th, '15, 15:32

Pete,
Couple of posts back has pricing info. The thread about pictures has more detailed info about the 35 and Bertram.

My Other East, Nav, Gerry Santiago, Richard Mastry, John Hazzard, Bertramp were there.

As far as a demographic Tommy was sorta saying they are paying just as much for a 36' center console with triple outboards which is the market I think they are trying to hit. Not sure If I agree those center consoles are selling for that much.

I think they are trying to capitalize on a narrow market and exploit(in a good way) the Bertram name and legend to sell them. If there's one thing I,ve learned in the car game, people will pay stupid money for something they thing is exclusive and rare, value being there or not. God bless em. They keep my pay check coming.

moguls2go · Post by **moguls2go** » Nov 9th, '15, 16:45

Here's a video about the new boat... Based on Bruce's description, my guess is this what they showed last week: https://youtu.be/CrijC2t_Yo4

Bruce · Post by **Bruce** » Nov 9th, '15, 18:12

Yes that is what they showed.

Stephan · Post by **Stephan** » Nov 9th, '15, 23:32

Wow that looks like a lot of preselling. Somewhere along the line I thought we were going to get a peek at a real boat at FLIWBS.
I remain curious about their understanding of the brand. The unstained part of the legacy is the 31 - but that has been out of the corporate types hands for several decades and in the care of the faithful. If they haven't figured that out and have used all that footage of Capt. Pat's work without sending him a consulting agreement and a check then thy're not as smart as... well as they need to be.
So here's my two cents...
Their non-center console competitors (Hunt, Hinckley, etc. in my Northeast skewed view of the world) are selling boats to fulfill an aspiration to a life experience or boating lifestyle. The boats are optimized to the buyer's comfort and a luxury aesthetic. They are very fine boats but they know the customer's motives and expectations for use better then the customer knows (or admits). Part of the sales pitch of these competitors is the support network of yards that make the experience turn-key. The maintenance aspect increases the buyer pool and makes each sale a recurring revenue unit.
Now comes another New Bertram looking to build on the 31 legacy.
I have experienced the 31 legacy to be the shared values of the faithful. Integrity. Respect. Independence. Community. It's a bottom-up thing. What brand has successfully associated a web forum where the members contribute honestly and without anonymous snarky abusive BS. Damn few. My assessment of the 31 legacy is a group who wanted and recognize a boat optimized to be a boat.
I'm hoping the New Bertram folks can have the courage to resist solving for a cruise speed/air conditioned/cocktail capacity equation and just build the best boat they can.
But what the hell do I know? I literally got here by accident and y'all just haven't shown me the door yet..
/rant>
S

By the way, I find myself celebrating what looks like a bow chock in the drawings and raising an eye brow at the hull core plan in the movie...

CaptPatrick · Post by **CaptPatrick** » Nov 10th, '15, 09:13

Craig Mac · Post by **Craig Mac** » Nov 10th, '15, 09:49

Great shots of Buddy Boy.

How does the pricing compare to a 35 Carolina , 35 Cabo, and 37 Billfisherman Ocean?

John F. · Post by **John F.** » Nov 10th, '15, 17:45

Buddy Boy looks amazing. Captain Patrick, you should be bursting with pride. Your build is the advertisement for the relaunch of Bertram. How cool is that.

Yeah, I really liked the video

Bob H. · Post by **Bob H.** » Nov 10th, '15, 19:58

Well done Capt Pat a true testament to you n Bruce..time is a pure test for a builder. You listening Bertram. BH

PeterPalmieri · Post by **PeterPalmieri** » Nov 11th, '15, 11:47

Craig Mac wrote:Great shots of Buddy Boy.

How does the pricing compare to a 35 Carolina , 35 Cabo, and 37 Billfisherman Ocean?

Craig,

Interesting question to ask.

The 35 Carolina Classic was about 500k new, they were bought by Albemarle and I do not believe they are currently in production

Cabo was bought by Hatteras and they are no longer being produced either.

I'm not sure how many 37 Ocean Billfish have been made but they are priced in the same ballpark as the new bertram. As is the new 35 Whaler and Everglades center consoles.

bob lico · Post by **bob lico** » Nov 11th, '15, 13:25

pete for you i could build one for 300.000 from a $19,000 35' Bertram for sale in VA. guarantee to do 40 knots with same interior.

PeterPalmieri · Post by **PeterPalmieri** » Nov 11th, '15, 16:00

bob lico wrote:pete for you i could build one for 300.000 from a $19,000 35' Bertram for sale in VA. guarantee to do 40 knots with same interior.

Way out of my league Bob, but thanks for the offer ;) ...

Tony Meola · Post by **Tony Meola** » Nov 11th, '15, 21:43

Pete

Not sure if Ocean has stepped up there game or not, but $500,000 for an Ocean is $500,000 too much. I know some one who used to do some warranty work on their engines and Gen sets. He told me some stories that would make you think twice before you went offshore in one.

PeterPalmieri · Post by **PeterPalmieri** » Nov 11th, '15, 23:11

Tony I've heard similar stories but really nothing on the 37. But I was really only replying to Craig's post.

Tony Meola · Post by **Tony Meola** » Nov 12th, '15, 09:40

Peter

I was just saying, Ocean have been over rated. Two boats one well built for $600,000, one so so for $500,000. The $500,000 sells every day.

Navatech · Post by **Navatech** » Nov 12th, '15, 10:09

Tony Meola wrote:Peter

I was just saying, Ocean have been over rated. Two boats one well built for $600,000, one so so for $500,000. The $500,000 sells every day.

I'm not sure you're right... Yes, a huge number of chumps WILL go for the cheaper boat... But there's a large number of people who'll go for the slightly more expensive... Especially if there's a brand involved...

Stephan · Post by **Stephan** » Nov 12th, '15, 10:36

I'm sitting here thinking the $500,000 really costs $600,000 and the $600,000 might cost $750,000. Fortunately my limited intelligence and good fortune in all things other than checking account balances protect me from struggling too much with these conundrums..
Best,
S

Anybody else notice how Hunt's name isn't within 1,000 miles of this marketing?

Bertramp · Post by **Bertramp** » Nov 12th, '15, 10:41

Stephan wrote:
Anybody else notice how Hunt's name isn't within 1,000 miles of this marketing?

Yeah, but I looked up the architect that is now on it and he seems to have some fairly decent credentials

Stephan · Post by **Stephan** » Nov 12th, '15, 10:55

Yeah, but I looked up the architect that is now on it and he seems to have some fairly decent credentials

I agree Peters is a very bright and accomplished guy. My interest was in the competition with Hunt and making sure to give credit to Bertram for the design and not Hunt. I believe Hunt made a reputation for himself in the '70s and later litigating against any design with a deep-v element. I'm also under the impression that Bain or another financial type now owns Hunt.

Craig Mac · Post by **Craig Mac** » Nov 12th, '15, 11:22

Does anybody remember this boat--BROADBILL 36 designed by Raymond Hunt--I think I saw one ---pretty sure it had a low profile with motor boxes....

https://books.google.com/books?id=2Lwqc ... nt&f=false

STraenkle · Post by **STraenkle** » Nov 12th, '15, 15:24

Cool to look at the old 1973 motor boating magazine, I love the ad about 6 pages up, tag line is "Bayliner...If you can find a better boat, buy it!", Ha, now that is funny.

Tony Meola · Post by **Tony Meola** » Nov 12th, '15, 22:12

How many of those manufacturers with adds or articles still exist. Mieco, I remember them, our friend had one of their A's on his 31.

Yannis · Post by **Yannis** » Nov 13th, '15, 01:58

Bertram boats on pages 101-102 -110-180.

Chanse · Post by **Chanse** » Nov 13th, '15, 12:07

Would be interesting to see some pic's and/or video of a finely restored wide-body 35.
Then comparing them to this newly proposed 35, hull to hull, machinery, cabin layout, fittings, to the final trim.
More like apples to apples. No?

PeterPalmieri · Post by **PeterPalmieri** » Nov 13th, '15, 12:51

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBWqVQCbGfE

Dug · Post by **Dug** » Nov 13th, '15, 15:22

Captain Patrick, as I watch the video I see what look like steps on the following edges of the pilasters. Are those in fact steps?

CaptPatrick · Post by **CaptPatrick** » Nov 13th, '15, 17:29

Dug,

I believe so, but they weren't added by me...

Dug · Post by **Dug** » Nov 16th, '15, 12:00

Gotcha.

Interesting idea. I have the side steps on the pilasters, so I don't really need to worry, but they did stick out to me after watching the first time.

:)

Hope you are well my friend!

Dug