9/11/2001

The Main Sand Box for bertram31.com

Moderators: CaptPatrick, mike ohlstein, Bruce

Post Reply
User avatar
CaptPatrick
Founder/Admin
Posts: 4161
Joined: Jun 7th, '06, 14:25
Location: 834 Scott Dr., LLANO, TX 78643 - 325.248.0809 bertram31@bertram31.com

9/11/2001

Post by CaptPatrick »

Never, Ever, Forget!

Image
User avatar
Charlie J
Senior Member
Posts: 2207
Joined: Jun 29th, '06, 09:14
Location: freeport n.y

Re: 9/11/2001

Post by Charlie J »

can never forget, its burned in my mind
1968 hull # 316 - 757
Navatech

Re: 9/11/2001

Post by Navatech »

The images of 9/11 are burned so deep into my mind I doubt a even a lobotomy would make me forget them.

At the time I was teaching web programming to an adult class. The news came in while I was driving to the class. We didn't do any teaching/learning that day. We did use the fast internet connection to follow the news on-line (no TV at that location).
User avatar
Rawleigh
Senior Member
Posts: 3444
Joined: Jun 29th, '06, 08:30
Location: Irvington, VA

Re: 9/11/2001

Post by Rawleigh »

I was sitting at this very desk talking to a friend about the first plane crash, trying to confirm if it was a sightseeing plane or what, when the second hit!!! He had a business acquaintance in NY on the phone asking questions about what he could see from his office. I saw it was a 767 with American livery and it scared me badly because one of my best friends flies 767's for American out of LaGuardia! Needless to say I woke my pilot friend up with a phone call! He had just gotten in from a 5 day and hadn't heard the news yet.

I think it was like Pearl Harbor for our generation. You remember exactly what you were doing when it happened.
Rawleigh
1966 FBC 31
User avatar
JohnV8r
Senior Member
Posts: 625
Joined: Jun 29th, '06, 21:59
Location: Northern California Bay Area
Contact:

Re: 9/11/2001

Post by JohnV8r »

Agreed. Definitely the Pearl Harbor of our generation.
Bertram 31 - The Best Boat Ever Built
User avatar
TailhookTom
Senior Member
Posts: 985
Joined: Jul 3rd, '06, 14:12

Re: 9/11/2001

Post by TailhookTom »

Never forget.

Thanks to all who served and those currently serving, and all the first responders -- without you we wouldn't have the opportunity to never forget.

Tom
User avatar
JohnV8r
Senior Member
Posts: 625
Joined: Jun 29th, '06, 21:59
Location: Northern California Bay Area
Contact:

Re: 9/11/2001

Post by JohnV8r »

I don't want to get too political here in the wake of my own emotions about 9/11. However, I felt compelled to write this after reading some back and forth on Facebook at 5:45 am this morning. The thing that bothered me the most is that a Million Muslim March in D.C. on 9/11 reeks of a very adept strategy by Muslim extremists to enflame and exacerbate the hatred and divide between Muslims and non-Muslims in America. Is the ill-will that average Americans will feel about a Million Muslim March on 9/11 really designed to be a recruiting tool that moves moderate, otherwise peaceful Muslims in America to a more extreme anti-American position? I hope not, but the cynic in me can't help but wonder. I'm really not a conspiracy theorist, but the mere fact that I contemplated this is a signal of the complicated times we are living in.

Here's what I wrote:
I came across a Facebook post that is going viral by "Rack Em Up" this morning. The post states that 2 million motorcycle enthusiasts are on their way to D.C. despite being denied permits to rally in D.C. The post then mentions they will be there at the same time as the Million Muslim March, which did receive a permit to have a rally. The obvious inference in the post is that patriotic Americans were denied a permit on 9/11 while Muslims were given a permit, thereby stirring emotions on the basis of an injustice.

This isn't quite as simple as it seems. It was not either the bikers get a permit or the Million Muslim March gets a permit. The bikers' request was for a "no stop" ride through D.C permit which would allow them to ride through our nation's capital without stopping for red lights, etc, similar to a funeral procession. The real rub here as it turns out is over the availability of law enforcement resources on a day when Washington D.C. is on high alert for terrorist attacks. I think we can all understand the need to keep an appropriate amount of law enforcement resources focused on protecting Washington D.C. on 9/11. Additionally, the bikers will still ride through D.C.; they will just have to deal with stop lights/signs, etc. They have not been denied their right to express their patriotism on a day of remembrance.

H-O-W-E-V-E-R, I do find a Million Muslim March in Washington D.C. on 9/11 about as repugnant as you can get, and I can understand the basis for "Rack Em Up" attempting to shine a bright light on the situation despite the inferred misrepresentation of facts. At a minimum, it is a grossly insensitive and poorly timed 1st Amendment exercise designed to shine a bright light on the Muslim religion that in practice actually creates more of divide between Muslims and non-Muslims in America. In the extreme, it is a reprehensible use of 1st Amendment freedom of speech (that most Muslims in non-Western countries do not have) to remind the average American of a cowardly terrorist attack on the United States. Can anyone imagine a Million Christian March in Saudi Arabia, Libya, Iraq, Iran, or Afghanistan in the middle of Ramadan? Or how about a Million Israeli March in Jordan during the commemoration of the Arab-Israeli Six Day War of 1967? Or maybe a Million Aryan March in Germany on the anniversary of Kristallnacht? It wouldn't happen, period.

To peace loving Muslims throughout the world, I would say this: Let us not forget that within the Muslim religion there are extremist groups who have sworn an oath to destroy the United States. These extreme views within the Muslim religion are no longer the isolated ideology of a small cult-like faction of Muslims living in tents in the desert in the Middle East. It is an organized extremist faction of Muslims with an agenda who have gained traction throughout all socioeconomic levels of Muslim society in the Middle East AND the West. The extremist Muslim ideology that the United States is an enemy of the Muslim religion that should be attacked has now permeated Muslim society on American college campuses, and even in the United States military.

IT IS BECAUSE OF THIS, that a Million Muslim March in Washington D.C. on 9/11 does little to enhance the standing of the Muslim religion in the United States or create tolerance for Muslims around the world here in the United States. Muslims would be well-served to be more respectful. But then maybe that is the point - to use 9/11 to further create a divide that drives the average Muslim to a more extremist viewpoint regarding the United States.

Rest assured organized events by Muslims on 9/11 will only steel the resolve of average Americans to remain vigilant in the face of those who would seek to destroy us.
Last edited by JohnV8r on Sep 11th, '13, 15:57, edited 1 time in total.
Bertram 31 - The Best Boat Ever Built
User avatar
mike ohlstein
Site Admin
Posts: 2394
Joined: Jun 29th, '06, 11:39
Location: So many things seem like no-brainers until you run into someone with no brain.
Contact:

Re: 9/11/2001

Post by mike ohlstein »

Yeah well.....

High Def cameras + facial recognition software = future surveillance.
Mike
Mean Team Leader
PREDATOR

Burn Oil
Eat Food
1973 FBC 1286 0273-315
User avatar
Bertramp
Senior Member
Posts: 1430
Joined: Jan 2nd, '09, 14:57
Location: Sag Harbor, NY Fort Lauderdale, FL
Contact:

Re: 9/11/2001

Post by Bertramp »

CaptPatrick wrote:Never, Ever, Forget!

Image
I was there ... up close and personal, my office was 2 WTC ..... "Never Forget" !!
1970 Bertram Bahia Mar - hull# 316-1003
1973 Bertram 38 (widebody) - hull# BER005960473
Steve "Bertramp" Kelly
User avatar
Tommy
Senior Member
Posts: 1343
Joined: Jun 29th, '06, 13:36

Re: 9/11/2001

Post by Tommy »

Amen, Patrick; thanks for this most appropriate post........
Navatech

Re: 9/11/2001

Post by Navatech »

JohnV8r wrote:The thing that bothered me the most is that a Million Muslim March in D.C. on 9/11 reeks of a very adept strategy by Muslim extremists to enflame and exacerbate the hatred and divide between Muslims and non-Muslims in American.
You should start by understanding that Arabs/Muslims don't speak the same language that you/me/we do... Take for example the idea of building a Mosque almost on top of ground zero... That's a show of force in their language... To wit, it's an Arab/Islamic custom to build a Mosque on top of what is or used to be an important location of their vanquished enemies... Examples abound: for example, the Temple Mount in Jerusalem and numerous Mosques in India...

Even the word let alone the concept of freedom is understood differently...

As for the "Million Muslim March", only a few dozen showed up... http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/23404037/m ... z2ecA5sF3Z
IRGuy
Senior Member
Posts: 1767
Joined: Jun 29th, '06, 07:48
Location: Wilmington, NC

Re: 9/11/2001

Post by IRGuy »

My wife and I knew one of the passengers that were killed in one of the WTC planes.. a granddaughter of one of the elders in our church in a suburb of Boston.. she and her fiance were going to CA to visit one of his parents. Her grandmother took a long time to recover.

My opinions about Muslims changed 180 degrees that day.

And today we have a Muslim sympathizer in the White House.
Frank B
1983 Bertram 33 FBC "Phoenix"
--------------
Trump lied! Washington DC isn't a swamp.. it is a cesspool!
wmachovina
Senior Member
Posts: 340
Joined: May 11th, '07, 16:13
Location: Palm City, Fl.
Contact:

Re: 9/11/2001

Post by wmachovina »

It never ceases to amaze me how 9/11 touched all of our lives, the Captain of the AA flight flown into the pentagon was an old flying buddy in my sister squadron on the Saratoga (VF 103) . Little known fact was the murderer was on the Jump seat in a fake uniform with fake Id. We all know someone very closely touched by this. Our Pearl Harbor.
Bill
User avatar
Bob H.
Senior Member
Posts: 1279
Joined: Jul 10th, '06, 19:49
Location: Rehoboth, Mass.
Contact:

Re: 9/11/2001

Post by Bob H. »

Thanks for posting those pics Capt Pat ,every generation should see them...I will always remember exactly what I was doing that day, trying to cope with all the emotions..hatred, anger, betrayal, shock..how could this happen here...and WHY?? God bless the bikers...some Americans still have balls to stand up for what is right...BH
1966 31 Bahia Mar #316-512....8 years later..Resolute is now a reality..Builder to Boater..285 hours on the clocks..enjoying every minute..how many days till spring?
User avatar
gplume
Senior Member
Posts: 455
Joined: Jan 2nd, '07, 21:23
Location: North Scituate, RI

Re: 9/11/2001

Post by gplume »

Right on brother Patrick!
Giff
Josh Johnson
Posts: 27
Joined: Jul 9th, '06, 10:26

Re: 9/11/2001

Post by Josh Johnson »

If you have NetFlix, watch the documentary called "In Plane Site". I'd like to know what others think.
Josh
Navatech

Re: 9/11/2001

Post by Navatech »

Josh Johnson wrote:If you have NetFlix, watch the documentary called "In Plane Site". I'd like to know what others think.
Netflix is not necessary. It's freely available on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rS3s6KL2kI0
Navatech

Re: 9/11/2001

Post by Navatech »

This is about the how they think:

Obsession - Radical Islam's War Against the West http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4V3O2hG ... bedded#t=1

The Third Jihad - Radical Islam's Vision for America http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XUub1no ... bedded#t=0

And this is about what we might have to face in the future unless Obamby does something (e.g. crippling sanctions) about it:

Iranium - The Islamic Republic's Race to Obtain Nuclear Weapons http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4IDy-0C ... bedded#t=0

Unfortunately, I'm not holding my breath for Obamby to do anything... I believe he has his eyes set on "containment"... I.e. living with a nuclear Iran... The problem there is that though MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) worked with the Ruskies during the Cold War the problem with Iran is that their Mullahs see MAD as an incentive rather then as deterrent...
User avatar
Carl
Senior Member
Posts: 6082
Joined: Jul 5th, '06, 06:45
Location: Staten Island NY

Re: 9/11/2001

Post by Carl »

Navatech wrote: Unfortunately, I'm not holding my breath for Obamby to do anything... I believe he has his eyes set on "containment"... I.e. living with a nuclear Iran... The problem there is that though MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) worked with the Ruskies during the Cold War the problem with Iran is that their Mullahs see MAD as an incentive rather then as deterrent...

Well said.

...I wish I did not agree with you.
Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 346 guests