Yanmar 220 hp can you identify?

ianupton · Post by **ianupton** » Apr 29th, '12, 07:36

Does anyone recognize what model this might be?

Supposedly is a 220 hp. My assumption is that it is a 4LH-XXX

Thinking it might be a good fit for my B20 project.

Thanks in advance.

Ian.

Bruce · Post by **Bruce** » Apr 29th, '12, 08:09

Never made a 220 in the 4LH series. The labels are in KW and someone may have crossed it over to HP wrong.

The 4LH-STE started out as a 230hp and then when manufacturers got to screw with the numbers they up'd it to 240hp

The lower hp version is the 4LH-DTE 170/190 and the 4LH-HTE was the 150 which I never saw marketed in the US.

Stern drives were designated with a Z in the suffix and made a wonderful stern drive package with the Bravo drives.

Its practically impossible to tell the two apart by sight and at that angle.

Too bad they discontinued the engine here in the US due to emissions. The BMW all electronic replaced it. You can get them where your at but the last time I checked about a year ago, the price at least just offshore of the US was stupid high.

One of the best engines Yanmar built along with the 6LY series up to 370hp. The 315hp 6LY's we put in Buddy Boy are forever engines. The 350hp version was just the intermediate that cut the mustard without being too much in a 30 foot boat.

Yanmar, being the brain dead that they are discontinued those versions and decided to make that block various shades of hand grenade engines.

ianupton · Post by **ianupton** » Apr 29th, '12, 08:44

Thanks Bruce. I emailed the dealer (in CT) to get some additional information.

The package is in a B20 right now, but seems to be going for alot less than I thought I would spend on a new gas engine package, let alone a diesel.

Hopefully he will respond with model number, engine hours, dealer that did install etc.

If things look good, I'm sure I'll be asking for advise on what needs to be looked at for a survey.

Thanks!

Ian.

Charlie J · Post by **Charlie J** » Apr 29th, '12, 12:29

my 230 4lha ste has 1 belt this engine looks like it has 2

Bruce · Post by **Bruce** » Apr 29th, '12, 17:11

Charlie,
That's a stern drive install and that's a power steering assist pump that's being driven on the non standard belt.

Charlie J · Post by **Charlie J** » Apr 29th, '12, 18:51

got it bruce was wondering what it was attached to, thanks

ianupton · Post by **ianupton** » Apr 29th, '12, 23:06

I spoke with the broker and he is going to send some information to me.

He said the engine is "new". Very low hours... he did not think it would still be under warranty. Seems that the sale is result of failed marriage.

Assuming that I were to buy this for the engine package and only consider the B20 Moppie as "packaging" what do you think a fair price would be?

It apparantly was a $30,000 installation when it was done (don't have installation date).

Listed right now for $14,500 (I think, it was listed for $29,000 last season.)

I did call up a "bloke" in Australia and they do still sell this engine in these parts. I didn't dare ask the price because you'll pay $5 for a coke in Australia. He told me there is 160, 200 and 240 HP version sold around here.

All the best.

Ian.

Bruce · Post by **Bruce** » Apr 30th, '12, 05:56

New is a relative term.
Those engines haven't been available in the states I think for 4 to 5 years unless someone had bought it and it sat.

Get the serial number and look it up on the Yanmar web site to see if and when it was registered.

Also on the hP ratings, take it with a grain of salt. Different culture conversions produce different numbers but the bottom line is unless the fuel is cool, its a cool day and your running flat out, the HP ratings will never be reached.

Figure a 5% average in loss for any engine at cruise as most are rated at WOT.

conchy joe · Post by **conchy joe** » Apr 30th, '12, 14:02

Ship Shape TV just did an episode where he replaced his diesel power out of his 20' Bertram because it partially sunk at the dock. They mentioned replacing a ton of parts but the engine still would not run right.

I believe I have the details right. Any chance that's the motor???

ianupton · Post by **ianupton** » Apr 30th, '12, 17:50

I certainly hope not! This is in CT and boat has CT numbers?

I'll look at that closer though?

Thanks.

Ian.

TailhookTom · Post by **TailhookTom** » Apr 30th, '12, 18:52

I'm in central ct where is the boat/motor? I can take a look.

ianupton · Post by **ianupton** » Apr 30th, '12, 19:42

Thanks Tom. If information that I get from broker looks good, I might take you up on that.

Boat is at Brewers Yacht in Westbrook, CT.

Anywhere close to you?

Ian.

ianupton · Post by **ianupton** » Apr 30th, '12, 21:33

OK... got the long itemized document from the install.

Here's the scoop that I know:

Work was done in late spring of 2004.

There is not a serial number listed in document, but it does clearly say "220 4LHA-STZP" Going to have to internet search this one. Might very well have been a typo.

An invoice is not a sure fire way of knowing the quality of an installation, but they didn't miss out on charging anything. Seems they got it down to the last $0.04 SS flat washer.

Tom - If you are reasonably close please shoot me an email. ian dot upton at gm dot com.

Thanks everyone...

Ian.

TailhookTom · Post by **TailhookTom** » May 2nd, '12, 22:21

Ian - not far at all. I'll be around this weekend if they will let me look at it, I will photograph it and give it the once over.

ianupton · Post by **ianupton** » May 2nd, '12, 22:29

THanks Tom - Sending you a PM.

mike ohlstein · Post by **mike ohlstein** » May 6th, '12, 21:00

140 KW = 187 HP
177 KW = 238 HP

So this is a 230/240 HP series engine.

TailhookTom · Post by **TailhookTom** » May 6th, '12, 21:20

Thanks for posting Mike. I sent Ian a lot of pics via our blackberrys but couldn't get this one on here. I figured the guys would like to see it. Kind of overkill for a 20?

ianupton · Post by **ianupton** » May 6th, '12, 21:23

Mike - that picture looks like the one that Tom sent me earlier today. :-D

I agree... at least I know what engine I am looking at now.

Thanks to Tom, I do have some more information.

It appears that the boat has not been run in 5-6 years. There is a '06 regestration sticker on hull. The drive look fine, the engine has a bit of rust and a bit of peeling paint but not too bad.

If it has sat for 5 years (assuming it was properly winterized) what should be done before first cranking? Should colant be replaced or only need to check fluids? Tom said the broker was going to try and get the boat in the water and run her, but should I request and pay to have fluids changed or should I not be concerned with an initial firing and warm up?

Thanks!

Ian.

ianupton · Post by **ianupton** » May 6th, '12, 21:26

Tom - Looks like we were posting at the same time.

Overkill?

I would look at this as you have it if you need it... and loafing around when you don't or can't use it.

These Bertram 20 hulls really perform great with about 200+ horsepower in them.

They are kinda crazy with 300 (pushing 60 miles per hour) and don't have much hull left in water, chine walking, etc.

Ian.

mike ohlstein · Post by **mike ohlstein** » May 6th, '12, 21:30

Tom had me post that here....

Diesels don't really need much 'putting away'. Have him change the oil and filter. If anything, I would be more nervous about the fuel tank. Unless it was full, there is probably water from condensation, possibly algae.

Should probably change the fluids in the drive leg too, although I suppose there's no need to do the power steering fluid until you know that you want the thing.

Yes, pretty big for a 20. That engine is probably 850 lbs and the Bravo 3 is pretty beefy too. For a boat like the B20 which is known to be self sinking rather than self bailing.........I don't know........

ianupton · Post by **ianupton** » May 6th, '12, 21:38

Thanks Mike -

So potentially run from a remote tank... good info.

I am also slightly concerned about weight. This engine package weighs almost the same as a Merc / Volvo Bravo III / Duoprop package and there are planty of these in Bertram 20s around.

Because of the self sinking nature of the B20, I have done two things to hopefully help in this situation.

1. I raised the sole about 2" and removed the scuppers. I will wait on the scuppers until I see water line, etc.
2. If scuppers go back in, there will be a 'dam' around the engine bay so water splashing in through scupper will not find way into bildge.

Man it really sucks being 24 hours of flight time away from home right now... I would have loved to be there in person, but have lots of pictures.

Ian.

mike ohlstein · Post by **mike ohlstein** » May 6th, '12, 21:40

1065 lbs for the engine and Bravo III. I can email you a PDF manual if you need one.

ianupton · Post by **ianupton** » May 6th, '12, 21:46

Already have one. Thanks!

TailhookTom · Post by **TailhookTom** » May 6th, '12, 21:51

It sounded like a bottom feeder or two threw some lowball offers in the 5k range at the soon to be ex-wife. They said it was because she couldn't prove it ran. Hopefully she wasn't a trophy wife. And, hopefully Ian gets the motor.

Rocket · Post by **Rocket** » May 6th, '12, 23:33

240 is underpowered in a 20 in my opinion! Although a diesel might be different, with the torque. I have allegedly 320 hp in my 20, top speed gps 62 mph. No chine walk, still digging the bertram hole in the water, I usually "cruise" at 4600 rpm, around 53 mph and she handles beautifully at that speed, although it is hard to take a sip of your beer because of the wind. As far as weight goes and the self sinking thing, my chines are buried at rest, looks crappy, but at speed all that weight in the ass improves stability and re-entry after launching is much smoother. I foam filled the hull and have no through hulls, not even a transom drain.

ianupton · Post by **ianupton** » May 6th, '12, 23:48

Rod - Somehow I thought you would add some comments.

This will go into a Bahia Mar eventually, so no need to go 62 mph!

My standby default position on engine was 4.3 MPI with Bravo III, so this ads some weight, power and fuel efficiency.

Cheers!

I need to make my way to BC and go on a boat ride with you.

Ian.

TailhookTom · Post by **TailhookTom** » May 7th, '12, 08:53

You guys are younger and have more original parts than I do. With my knees and neck, the only 20 footer I'm going over 50 in is my Volvo!

Rocket · Post by **Rocket** » May 7th, '12, 12:11

Ian, tongue was in my cheek a little...Come to BC anytime, boat rides are free! I will also have the boat in Ontario (well, almost manitoba actually) this summer for the month of July at Lake of the Woods. I guess that is no closer to Jakarta, though!

Glad to see that your project is still moving ahead, good luck with the motor.

ianupton · Post by **ianupton** » May 7th, '12, 20:32

Hour meter reads 94.8 hours. There apparantly was an integral meter in the tach.

Don't seem to have any reason to not believe these numbers.

My pen is itching to formalize an offer contingent on mechanical / engine survey.

Seller is reportedly going to get the marina to verify that engine does run.

My thought is that there are no obvious issues and she comes up to full rpm on sea trial then I should be good to go.

Anything that I am overlooking?

Thanks guys and especially Tom for taking a looks for me.

Ian.

Bruce · Post by **Bruce** » May 8th, '12, 06:29

If your at all interested in the drive, have it checked and make sure the props come off and is not frozen on the output shaft. I read I think its a 3 and cutting off those props would be expensive, I know I've had to do it.

If the engine wasn't flushed properly when put away, guaranteed there is corrosion buildup internal to the exchangers, oil, inter and coolant. Might want to pop the caps on all three to check and make sure there are no corrosion zits as I call them in the fresh water coolant. They look like white balls.

Also I can't tell from your pic on what the exhaust is doing.
Is it going out the back or is it using the leg that dumps in into the drive. If its using the leg, its going to be aluminum.

If you didn't flush them, they corroded thru fairly quick. See if they can pop the hose off and look down the inside of the pipe.

TailhookTom · Post by **TailhookTom** » May 8th, '12, 08:40

Bruce:

I'm no I/O guy by any means as far as mechanics go -- however, I didn't note any external exhaust when I looked at the boat for Ian, so it must be running through the drive. I sent Ian about 2 dozen pics of the drive and the motor -- if you want to pm me your email, I can send them to you as well.

Ian, if you want, I can be there again this weekend (it is only 15 minutes away from me) if they are going to run the motor -- just let me know.

Best regards,

Tom

ianupton · Post by **ianupton** » May 8th, '12, 09:30

I am sure that the exhaust goes through the drive. I confirmed with the yard that there is a drive shower, never seem this except for high performance applications.

Bruce - thanks for the tips. I never would have thought to remove the props. I'll definitely send the recommendations to the yard to have them go through it. Are the corrosion zits floating around or corrosion on the metal like barnacles?

Tom - I might just see if you could do that. Since I am a few miles away now... I'm trying to get some storage options lined up in case things go through. Last thing I want to do is frantically get transportation lined up but not have any place to move the boat to. It looks like I have some options.

I'll keep you posted.

Thanks all!

Ian.

TailhookTom · Post by **TailhookTom** » May 8th, '12, 12:08

Ian:

If you are looking for storage, this little marina is where I keep my 13' Whaler. They are nice people. Marina is tiny, biggest boat is 23', but you can't beat the Marina Rates. It is a 20 minute drive from where the B20 presently is located.

Tom

http://blackhallmarina.net/marina

Bruce · Post by **Bruce** » May 8th, '12, 13:37

Ian,
Usually if you pop the pressure cap you can see some. Recheck after its run and cooled down.

The outdrive showers are really a kinda joke especially if they just use the pressure of the fwd movement and not a pump.

Not enough water to really cool the upper drive down since under way its out of the water and has no heat sink as in water.

All the diesel/Merc drives I did all came with a kit to install since the bravo drives mostly don't use the water pickup in the lower unit. They use a thru hull or a high speed off the transom for water pickup.

Don't forget draining some LU oil to check for water and or metal. Diesel drives were famous for metal. The upper housing is where the cone clutches are for the shifting. They didn't like the diesel torque running larger props to load them up. Even a a little higher than normal shift idle took its toll.

In Memory Walter K · Post by **In Memory Walter K** » May 8th, '12, 15:21

There was a bright red B-20 powered by a Yanmar diesel (if I am not mistaken) and a Bravo 3 outdrive at the NY Boat show several years ago. I think it also appeared at the Atlantic City Bertram Rendezvous. It HAD that wierd spraying system over the top section of the Bravo 3. I was told it was put on after and was necessary to cool down the outdrive. Anyone else remember that boat?

TailhookTom · Post by **TailhookTom** » May 8th, '12, 15:38

Walter:

You just clarified what I couldn't figure out -- there was what looked like a high pressure showerhead about a foot over the top of the outdrive. Ian -- do you think that is what that is? I know I took pictures of it.

Tom

ianupton · Post by **ianupton** » May 8th, '12, 17:52

Tom - that was the drive shower.

Could you email me info for that local marina? I'll check them out for storage.

Thanks.

Ian.

CaptPatrick · Post by **CaptPatrick** » May 8th, '12, 17:56

ianupton wrote:Tom - that was the drive shower.

Could you email me info for that local marina? I'll check them out for storage.

Thanks.

Ian.

http://blackhallmarina.net/

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ianupton · Post by **ianupton** » May 8th, '12, 18:12

It is early morning for me..... Missed the link.

Thanks!

ianupton · Post by **ianupton** » May 10th, '12, 08:33

Well... Wait and see now if my offer is accepted.

Thanks to all!

Ian.

ianupton · Post by **ianupton** » May 11th, '12, 07:07

I don't think my offer was accepted.

I offered $11,500 accounting for storage, transportation and my own self valuation of new gas vs. used diesel.

If anyone is interested, please feel free to "out bid" me.

If $11,500 takes it fine, but I'm not going to lose any sleep either way.

Thanks for the advise...

Had I still been in the states and could utilize immediately it might be a different story.

Everything that I saw says it is a good deal, but not worth more than my price for me and my situation

Ian.

Really... if there is interest... go for it!

TailhookTom · Post by **TailhookTom** » May 11th, '12, 08:53

Ian:

You offered her 80% of the current asking price -- that was a very reasonable offer. It doesn't matter a bit that the installation cost was 3 times that - they made a bad investment!

I bet that boat is still sitting there this summer. It was for sale for a year at 28,900 and got ZERO offers.

Tom

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