25 Bertram L&H Conversion

Pete Fallon · Post by **Pete Fallon** » Jan 27th, '11, 18:09

To the faithful,
I just finished doing a survey on a 1965 25 Bert that was originally an open Mark II now an express bridge, with a single 315 Yanmar with aprop pocket. Beautiful job, aqua mist green hull, white express bridge and custom hard t-top, helm pod and custom console. The entire bridge deck area tilts forward for engine room access. Real pretty boat with a ton of money invested, some real nice ideas and custom workmanship. I'll try to get some pictures posted.

JP Dalik · Post by **JP Dalik** » Jan 27th, '11, 18:31

Pete does it look allot like a 27 tides?

You should see the 25 center console single outboard that John did(originator of L&H) there is also a 2 outoboard 25 being redone that's gonna be sick.

The 25 hull will be the next one I redo, very versatile, thinking jack drive diesel. Great boat.

captbone · Post by **captbone** » Jan 27th, '11, 20:48

Any pictures of that single 25 CC outboard that John did? I think I have seen a single pictures and it was beautiful. Bracket with a single 200hp?

Bruce · Post by **Bruce** » Jan 28th, '11, 08:03

One thing I always told my customers, given enough time and money I can do anything.

The trouble is when it comes time to sell, finding another loose wallet is tough as we have seen here by some real beauties going for much less than invested.

Carl · Post by **Carl** » Jan 28th, '11, 09:12

Bruce wrote: The trouble is when it comes time to sell, finding another loose wallet is tough as we have seen here by some real beauties going for much less than invested.

Investing in a boat is like Gambling to make money.

Sure some can be done by some...

John F. · Post by **John F.** » Jan 28th, '11, 10:54

If this is the boat I'm thinking of, it was originally listed for around $100K, and dropped to around $50K. Looked really great. She was on Yachtworld for awhile.

Ironman · Post by **Ironman** » Jan 28th, '11, 18:14

theres one on
Boatdiesel.com
a very special 25...
could that b the same one?
Wayne

J Graham · Post by **J Graham** » Jan 28th, '11, 20:58

Wayne,
That's mine, got a cummins. No pocket. I've made some changes to the layout since that article. Just put in a bow thruster. Love the boat. I wondered about the performance of that 25 with the Yanmar and pocket.
Jim

Ironman · Post by **Ironman** » Jan 28th, '11, 23:02

Oh now I remember.. the Cummins..gotta be sweet.. where you run her from?.getting about 3-4mpg?.Wayne

Pete Fallon · Post by **Pete Fallon** » Jan 29th, '11, 01:04

J Graham · Post by **J Graham** » Jan 29th, '11, 07:35

Whoa!!!!! Now that's a 25 Bertram

mike ohlstein · Post by **mike ohlstein** » Jan 29th, '11, 10:44

Wow. Beautiful.

In Memory of Vicroy · Post by **In Memory of Vicroy** » Jan 29th, '11, 11:50

Now that's downright disgusting...guess they never changed the oil? Not a drop, speck, no nothing. Kick ass boat.

UV

captbone · Post by **captbone** » Jan 29th, '11, 12:00

Beautiful boat. It was for sale for a long time. How was the performance numbers? Why did it sit for so long?

Raybo Marine NY · Post by **Raybo Marine NY** » Jan 29th, '11, 12:39

$50k for that boat?

this is really a depressing market, someone will get a fantastic boat at that price

and thats the way a boat SHOULD look when its getting surveyed, never ceases to amaze me how disgusting some boats are when they are being sold/surveyed

TailhookTom · Post by **TailhookTom** » Jan 29th, '11, 14:06

Wow - now that is something that had a LOT of money invested into it! And UV -- damn, I've been in brand new production boat bilges that were not as clean right from the factory!

Giving me some crazy ideas!

John F. · Post by **John F.** » Jan 29th, '11, 17:42

When I saw it listed, it wasn't rigged. No top, electronics, chair, etc. Still looks like a real lot of boat for the money. Just beautiful...

PeterPalmieri · Post by **PeterPalmieri** » Jan 29th, '11, 20:00

Beautiful boat but I don't like the fact that there is no seating anywhere.

Brewster Minton · Post by **Brewster Minton** » Jan 29th, '11, 20:11

Two man boat

Tony Meola · Post by **Tony Meola** » Jan 29th, '11, 21:15

That is a steal at $50,000. Way nicer than a lot of some of the new production boats.

Peter

The only place you could add seating looks like forward of the console, but it is hard to tell if you have the room. The 31 spoils us because of the engine box's.

randall · Post by **randall** » Jan 29th, '11, 21:21

clean or what?....and the white is WHITE. i like that.

Brewster Minton · Post by **Brewster Minton** » Jan 29th, '11, 21:26

The 31 spoils us because of the engine box's.
Ya my crew sleeps on them like Rip VanWinkle

Tony Meola · Post by **Tony Meola** » Jan 29th, '11, 22:16

Brew

I have slept on the box's a number of times while overnighting. Not a bad place to sit or lay down. Best place to be in rough weather is right between them.

It is seating for four if you think about it.

Pete Fallon · Post by **Pete Fallon** » Jan 30th, '11, 01:59

Guy's,
I don't know where the 50K price came from but it's valued at way more than that. I love surveying a boat that's had a lot of thought and time invested in it, I watched this boat being done over for 4 months at L&H, they do high quality work and put a lot of thier input along with what the owner wants.
This boat has custom LED lighting on the T-top aft facing lights, 4 different color changes on recessed lights under T-top goes from white, blue,red and purple and a red/white light over the helm pod, white in the engine room and under the cockpit coaming. The seating it going to added later, a couple of dropdown jumps seats forward of the console and maybe a big cooler seat aft.
Electric rams for the helm pod and the engine room and a 5" Vetus bow thruster. The white paint is a 2 part epoxy that stays white for a long time, I'll post the paint makers name next week. The owner should be proud of this beautiful boat.

Pete Fallon · Post by **Pete Fallon** » Feb 1st, '11, 12:42

Guy's,
The bright white paint in the engine room and other below decks areas is Sherwin Williams Diamond White, supposed to be better than Bilge Coat according to the guys at L&H.
Sea trialed the boat over the weekend, 30 knots WOT, mid 20's cruise, prop is not right, needs to be fiddled with. Nice smooth ride.

tunawish · Post by **tunawish** » Feb 2nd, '11, 10:35

Wow .. what a difference after being rigged out.......

Does anyone else think that only 3 bolts holding the seat post down is a little weak..?
Especially sitting on that bump out...?? I would think the forces on that extension will be brutal in heavy seas..

Beautiful though..

Ray

Brewster Minton · Post by **Brewster Minton** » Feb 2nd, '11, 10:57

I was thinking I want a place to put my feet to hold me in the helm chair when its snotty.

Hueso · Post by **Hueso** » Feb 2nd, '11, 11:03

Pete:

Sherwin Williams Diamond White regular oil paint?

Charlie J · Post by **Charlie J** » Feb 2nd, '11, 11:09

if its that snotty i would be standing

Dug · Post by **Dug** » Feb 2nd, '11, 11:13

Wow... That is beautiful!

bob lico · Post by **bob lico** » Feb 2nd, '11, 11:27

raybo marine; how does one go about making a cover like this boat has over the electronics in front of the pod. can this be done without wood?

CaptPatrick · Post by **CaptPatrick** » Feb 2nd, '11, 12:07

bob lico wrote:raybo marine; how does one go about making a cover like this boat has over the electronics in front of the pod. can this be done without wood?

Glass over Dininycell...

bob lico · Post by **bob lico** » Feb 2nd, '11, 13:48

thank you doctor. i assume in my case just match paint instead of the gel-cote routine. would you use mat on last layer or go to kitty hair knowing paint is not goung to cover the sins as well as gel-cote.

PeterPalmieri · Post by **PeterPalmieri** » Feb 2nd, '11, 14:10

Bob,

If you were able to do a pop up for electronics behind the pod do you think you'd have enough room for rear facing jump seats on either side of the helm?

TailhookTom · Post by **TailhookTom** » Feb 2nd, '11, 14:40

Dumb Questions time - - as I have a 1966 B25 hidden away waiting for me to get better and bring her back to life, what is the draft of this even with the prop pocket, and can it be trailered? I was toying with the idea of a single diesel I/O, converting from the twin straight 6 i/os that are currently in her. I'm curious as to how much water this must draft.

Thanks,

Tom

John F. · Post by **John F.** » Feb 2nd, '11, 15:46

Tom-

Scot who posts here and on the B25 site is redoing a 25 for a single diesel w/a prop pocket. You may want to check with him. Here's a link to his site where he shows the prop pocket work--lots of work.

http://www.cssims.com/

John

CaptPatrick · Post by **CaptPatrick** » Feb 2nd, '11, 15:51

bob lico wrote:thank you doctor. i assume in my case just match paint instead of the gel-cote routine. would you use mat on last layer or go to kitty hair knowing paint is not goung to cover the sins as well as gel-cote.

If it were me, I'd do an exact mock up in plywood, fair and seal it well, then pull a simple mold.

Let the mold cure for a week to ten days and mold release it well. Then gelcoat the mold, build in the glass and Divinycell, pop it out and it's ready for paint after a light sanding.

If you build it as a one off, do the fairing in Awlfair at about 1/8" thick. See the technique that I suggested on JohnF's console post. Lay up can be all mat for something like this...

bob lico · Post by **bob lico** » Feb 2nd, '11, 16:21

capt patrick i have been using the awlfair technique since you advise me when i did the windshield job. i think it was even thicker on the inside bottom curve . not even a hairline crack anyware i used it!----thanks again

TailhookTom · Post by **TailhookTom** » Feb 2nd, '11, 17:01

John: Thanks for the reply. I am more interested in going the inboard/outboard route and not having to do such extensive work. I don't have the time or patience!

Tom

bob lico · Post by **bob lico** » Feb 2nd, '11, 17:24

peter i cannot be modest with my answer. i feel i have the best possible seating arrangement ever installed on a 31 bertram fbc. not my doing turn out fantastic .the ceo of todd/tracy and 5 other marine manufactorers is best friends with owner of marina. over a couple beers at the marina one night he said i will give you the reigns to the todd factory for a day!!!! the next day joe shows up and says "what do you want". i want two independant chairs with side arms to relax on the way to canyon.tall order----- nothing fit too wide by 4 inches. the solution; remove left arm from full size montauk series chairs then put two chairs together (like movie house seating)i did this and then put in a 5 stage shock absorber system. two very coftable chairs fit with1/4" to spare.i would never alter the bridge seating. that electronic pop up would nrver work for me i have two -c-120 raymarine series in addition to auto- pilot and vhf. that pop up was for a interior project .i try to planned a few months ahead and then jump in.

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