Thinking outside the (Fish)box - Livewell Construction
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Thinking outside the (Fish)box - Livewell Construction
Capt. Patrick,
“Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery†or something like that. I wanted to build a livewell/fishbox and I borrowed most of your design concepts. However, I went about the construction with a whole different approach. Instead of making molds and foaming later, I started with a solid piece of foam and hollowed out to make the shape. It’s probably harder to describe than to show so I’ve included a bunch of pictures. I don’t have pictures of the very start where I combined seven (7) 24â€x48â€x2†pieces of insulating foam (from Home Depot) into one block of foam. I used spray adhesive to glue the foam together, no epoxy. I then shaped and scribed that block of foam to match the transom. After I was happy with the fit, size, etc. I glassed the outside of the block using all epoxy and three layers of 1708 biaxial. After the outside was glassed, I cut out the center section with a hot wire cutter. I used to be into RC airplanes when I was younger and used to make foam wings. I borrowed the technology. After adding the plumbing and the baffle slot, the inside was glassed. It’s been a lot of work, but I like the outcome. I can’t wait to mount it.
Block of foam shaped and fiberglassed
Molded Lid and Rim
Hot Wire Foam Cutter
After Cutting (Note inset routed piece of solid fiberglass for baffle)
Baffle
Water jets
Bottom section with drain
Fairing
One Coat of Primer
“Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery†or something like that. I wanted to build a livewell/fishbox and I borrowed most of your design concepts. However, I went about the construction with a whole different approach. Instead of making molds and foaming later, I started with a solid piece of foam and hollowed out to make the shape. It’s probably harder to describe than to show so I’ve included a bunch of pictures. I don’t have pictures of the very start where I combined seven (7) 24â€x48â€x2†pieces of insulating foam (from Home Depot) into one block of foam. I used spray adhesive to glue the foam together, no epoxy. I then shaped and scribed that block of foam to match the transom. After I was happy with the fit, size, etc. I glassed the outside of the block using all epoxy and three layers of 1708 biaxial. After the outside was glassed, I cut out the center section with a hot wire cutter. I used to be into RC airplanes when I was younger and used to make foam wings. I borrowed the technology. After adding the plumbing and the baffle slot, the inside was glassed. It’s been a lot of work, but I like the outcome. I can’t wait to mount it.
Block of foam shaped and fiberglassed
Molded Lid and Rim
Hot Wire Foam Cutter
After Cutting (Note inset routed piece of solid fiberglass for baffle)
Baffle
Water jets
Bottom section with drain
Fairing
One Coat of Primer
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Great job Vince....simple and sweet...who cares how long it takes...give each of us the same task and most of us would find different paths to the same place...gotta love this site...BH
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Thanks guys for the compliments. No problem Capt Patrick. I'll post some pictures of the hot wire cutter tomorrow. It's pretty simple. Search the RC model airplane sites and you'll find tons of info.
Brewster, the weight is as follows:
Inside dimensions = 45"x22"x10"= 9,900 cu. in.
9,900 cu.in. x 1 cu.ft./1728 cu. in. = 5.73 cu. ft.
62.4 lb/cu.ft x 5.73 cu. ft. = 357 lb
Not too bad. That's just a little more than some of my crew members! I'll definately post some pics after installed.
Brewster, the weight is as follows:
Inside dimensions = 45"x22"x10"= 9,900 cu. in.
9,900 cu.in. x 1 cu.ft./1728 cu. in. = 5.73 cu. ft.
62.4 lb/cu.ft x 5.73 cu. ft. = 357 lb
Not too bad. That's just a little more than some of my crew members! I'll definately post some pics after installed.
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I finally have some installation pictures for you. I could use one more coat of paint. The paint is Interlux Perfection Snow White brush applied with roll and tip method. I’m still trying to figure out my method of holding down the lid. I like the idea of having a removable lid. I might have to steal Capt Pat’s stainless pins and bolt design. You may have noticed that I offset the baffle so that it could be removed if I decide to mount the center lid more permanently.
Some of you had asked for some details on the hot wire foam cutter. I apologize for taking so long in getting back to you but I’ve been a little busy lately. The hot wire cutter is really pretty simple. You can see I made a simple frame with 1X3’s (I think). The wire is stainless wire that you get in any tackle shop. I use smaller diameters for the longer cuts and larger diameters for shorter cuts. You can see from some of the earlier pics I used 44lb test. The power supply that I used is a 12V power supply from Radio Shack. I had that around in my shop. I’ve heard that battery chargers can work as well as doorbell transformers with dimmer switches for power control. I’ve included a long link that has way more info than you are probably interested in. But, it does provide many designs for the cutter. The power is applied to the wire with alligator clips. I try to keep them as close together as possible to get the maximum heat when I'm making longer cuts. If you get them too close the wire will burn up. You have to play around with the gauge of the wire if your power supply is constant (like mine was). If you have a variable control power supply you can simple play around with the power settting. The bungee cord keeps the wire tight. When you apply the power to the wire it heats up and makes a nice clean cut. If you run the wire across a form you can cut any shape you want. When I cut the livewell, I made a top and bottom form from MDF and offset the top form from the bottom form to get the angle of the transom. (if you look at the second picture of my first thread you can see one of my forms laying on the ground under the livewell). I scribed the curvature of the transom onto the same MDF forms. I’m sorry I don’t have any pictures of that.
INSTALLATION PHOTOS
HOT WIRE FOAM CUTTER
HOT WIRE CUTTER LINK FROM MODEL AIRPLANE SITE
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=628704
Thanks again for the compliments. All of you guys have inspired me with your projects. By the way, the deck is a work in progress as I have been installing fishboxes below deck this year. That’s for another post. I'd be happy to answer any questions on the hot wire cutter.
Vince
Some of you had asked for some details on the hot wire foam cutter. I apologize for taking so long in getting back to you but I’ve been a little busy lately. The hot wire cutter is really pretty simple. You can see I made a simple frame with 1X3’s (I think). The wire is stainless wire that you get in any tackle shop. I use smaller diameters for the longer cuts and larger diameters for shorter cuts. You can see from some of the earlier pics I used 44lb test. The power supply that I used is a 12V power supply from Radio Shack. I had that around in my shop. I’ve heard that battery chargers can work as well as doorbell transformers with dimmer switches for power control. I’ve included a long link that has way more info than you are probably interested in. But, it does provide many designs for the cutter. The power is applied to the wire with alligator clips. I try to keep them as close together as possible to get the maximum heat when I'm making longer cuts. If you get them too close the wire will burn up. You have to play around with the gauge of the wire if your power supply is constant (like mine was). If you have a variable control power supply you can simple play around with the power settting. The bungee cord keeps the wire tight. When you apply the power to the wire it heats up and makes a nice clean cut. If you run the wire across a form you can cut any shape you want. When I cut the livewell, I made a top and bottom form from MDF and offset the top form from the bottom form to get the angle of the transom. (if you look at the second picture of my first thread you can see one of my forms laying on the ground under the livewell). I scribed the curvature of the transom onto the same MDF forms. I’m sorry I don’t have any pictures of that.
INSTALLATION PHOTOS
HOT WIRE FOAM CUTTER
HOT WIRE CUTTER LINK FROM MODEL AIRPLANE SITE
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=628704
Thanks again for the compliments. All of you guys have inspired me with your projects. By the way, the deck is a work in progress as I have been installing fishboxes below deck this year. That’s for another post. I'd be happy to answer any questions on the hot wire cutter.
Vince
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I used awlgrip 545 primer, no high build. I did the major smoothing with epoxy and microballons. I didn't have any compatibility problems between the awlgrip primer and the interlux perfection. I had done it before (awlgrip primer and interlux top paint) so I knew it would be OK. Hand sanding with a longboard is the key to getting a good paint job.
Walter, I love your velcro idea! That's just what I was looking for, something easy but will work. Thanks guys!
Vince
Walter, I love your velcro idea! That's just what I was looking for, something easy but will work. Thanks guys!
Vince
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