The DEC makes a good catch!!
http://www.examiner.com/x-19210-Fly-Fis ... Bag-Awards
The only thing I didn't know was that commercial fish can not be caught west of Debs inlet.
What about all the people that fish from Riis Park or from the Tin Can grounds or off Staten Island????
Bass Poachers caught in Brooklyn, NY
Moderators: CaptPatrick, mike ohlstein, Bruce
-
In Memory of Vicroy
- Senior Member
- Posts: 2340
- Joined: Jun 29th, '06, 09:19
- Location: Baton Rouge, LA
-
scenarioL113
- Senior Member
- Posts: 690
- Joined: May 31st, '08, 09:00
- Location: Massapequa Park, NY
-
Brewster Minton
- Senior Member
- Posts: 1795
- Joined: Jun 30th, '06, 07:44
- Location: Hampton Bays NY
- Contact:
They should take the boat in addition to the fines and jail time. NJ has a great striper law. NO SALE of any striped bass in the state. Does not matter if it a pond raised, netted, hook and line found dead on the beach, including hybrid stripers. NJ gave the striped bass sportfish status with NO SALE.
These guys knew what they were doing and should get the book thrown at them.
These guys knew what they were doing and should get the book thrown at them.
Last year the MD DNR caught via a sting operation some southern Maryland waterman poaching and selling to a long established seafood retailer in Georgetown. I know they were all fined but I can't recall if any of them did some (limited) jail time. Apparently some in the community down in St. Mary's County were outraged that the watermen were unfairly targeted and it interfeared with their "right" to earn a living.
For some reason we have an attitude in MD that commercial interests have a "right" to take the last fish out of the bay/ocean. The reality is that economic conditions change over time and and some industries die and go elsewhere or overseas. Most of the "maryland" crabs that are served in restaurants around here are imported from Texas and Louisianna. Same with oysters. Processed crab meat comes from Indonesia from a species that is similar to the MD blue crab.
Decades of overharvesting have taken such a toll that it is amazing any of the watermen in MD left can squeeze a living out of it. Despite these conditions, they still fight against quota reductions while a few bad apples continue to knowingly break the law by poaching. Enforcement by the DNR is minimal and getting worse due to state budget cuts.
I am glad to hear that other states are doing what they can to enforce the laws. I was unaware that NJ was a no sale state for striped bass. I can't imagine any of the states down here ever agreeing to that.
For some reason we have an attitude in MD that commercial interests have a "right" to take the last fish out of the bay/ocean. The reality is that economic conditions change over time and and some industries die and go elsewhere or overseas. Most of the "maryland" crabs that are served in restaurants around here are imported from Texas and Louisianna. Same with oysters. Processed crab meat comes from Indonesia from a species that is similar to the MD blue crab.
Decades of overharvesting have taken such a toll that it is amazing any of the watermen in MD left can squeeze a living out of it. Despite these conditions, they still fight against quota reductions while a few bad apples continue to knowingly break the law by poaching. Enforcement by the DNR is minimal and getting worse due to state budget cuts.
I am glad to hear that other states are doing what they can to enforce the laws. I was unaware that NJ was a no sale state for striped bass. I can't imagine any of the states down here ever agreeing to that.
Mack
1973 B31 "MAKO"
1973 B31 "MAKO"
The NO SALE was a hard fight. Thanks to MD's over fishing years ago Jersey fishermen took up the challenge to make the striper a "Sportfish". Here is an article written by a biased New Englander. Yes I known it says she is an avid rec fisherman. Just let her tirade do her talking.
For once I am proud of NJ!!!!
While the grotesque unfairness of the legislated ban on the sale of striped bass seems lost on the New Jersey Legislature, it hasn't gotten by Molly Benjamin, a reporter for the Cape Cod Times and an avid recreational fisherwomen.
[Link to Seagfood for Consumers sectionto the Seafood for Consumers section]
Pretty soon, just after July 4, New Jersey residents vacationing on Cape Cod get to do something they can't do at home.
Swim in clean water?
Nope, what we have in mind is something that's illegal in New Jersey, but legal in Massachusetts.
In New Jersey, you can't go to a restaurant and order striped bass. In a few weeks, you can easily get incredibly fresh striped bass at dozens of Cape Cod restaurants.
Massachusetts allows the public to eat stripers. New Jersey doesn't.
Isn't that amazing?
I mean, it's not like New Jersey is landlocked. There are literally billions of stripers swimming off the Jersey coast.
It's not that there's some crazy health advisory in effect. New Jersey bass test out just fine.
It's not that Jersey fishermen are so stupid they can't catch a few linesides. They, like their Massachusetts counterparts, will catch zillions of the things this year. The ocean is full of 'em and we have the technology - a rod, reel and baited hook.
The crazy thing is that New Jersey law prohibits selling or marketing striped bass. They can't be sold, not for human consumption, not for anything. (You can sell the right to catch a striper, though, via charterboats and the like.)
In New Jersey, they've chosen not to plug into the American food chain that starts with the harvester and end with a waiter flourishing a pepper grinder over a fine plate of fresh fish.
So: The only people in New Jersey who can eat striped bass are those with the time, inclination, money and access to catch one themselves.
(Well, I guess if you are neighbor to somebody who has all those things down pat, you're handed off a fish once in a while too.)
Why?
New Jersey's army of sportfishers has convinced that state's legislature to ban the sale of stripers. Period.
The result? The anglers get all the fish, all the time. Just them.
Boy, I feel like Rush Limbaugh. The Striper Nazis. Is this whacko, or what?
There is simply no conservation reason for this law. None. Zippo. Bupkis.
Indeed, Rollie Schmitten, who until recently was the top fishery official at the National Marine Fisheries Service, told Congress in 1997 that, "Our information records go back to the 1880s. This year's science showed that there are more striped bass now as at any time of the history of this nation."
If Rollie hadn't been laterally transferred, he'd be even more generous this year. Folks, there's more stripers out there than you can shake an Ugly Stik at.
So how come the Striper Nazis convinced the assembled delegates of the great state of New Jersey to tightly allocate this wondrous fish of all the people to such a small, privileged group?
The anglers have explained how much economic activity is generated by keeping stripers a recreational-only kind of fish. It goes something like this: Rod and other gear expenditures, $50 million; boat charters, $20 million; fuel, beer, grub, $120 million; motels and such, $230 million. And so on.
It's sort of like banning the commercial sale of tomatoes, according to Nils Stolpe, who heads up the Garden State Fishing Association. Compare the two: The gardener spends lots on fertilizer, compost, manure, pesticides, etc.; seed and plants; land costs; gas for the Volvo to drive to the supply store; and so on, which makes most backyard-grown tomatoes worth about $15 a pound.
This, versus the commercially-grown tomato available in the grocery store where anyone can get one for, oh, 49 cents, available to everyone. Stolpe says this is like trying to say we should all have to grow our own tomatoes because they cost so much more, and that is somehow Good.
There's the fear-and-loathing-of-commercial-fishermen argument. Refer to the popular press nonsense about "clear-cutting the ocean bottom," and the like.
Then there's the notion of "greed." But - along the Atlantic States, statistics show recreational fishermen take and kill about seven times the stripers the commercial sector takes. Commercial anglers are licensed, regulated, accounted for and kept tabs on; recreational anglers have no licenses and little constraint. Well, there's minimum sizes and you can only take one fish home a day; but there as here, you can catch them all day long, til your arm grows weary, if you want - and many want. There is a catch-and-release ethic much in vogue among most recreational anglers and all Striper Nazis. Catch the fish, pet it awhile, and let it go. Bye-bye, fishy.
Personally, I find catch-and-release a philosophically complicated thing. I do it, most people do. I know that when trout fishing, chances are high the trout lives to fight another day. Bass fishing is another thing; a huge percentage of recreationally-released stripers die. Both the recreational and commercial fishers end up with dead fish. Only the regulated commercial harvest benefits the general public, which gets food. Good, healthy organic food.
We would like to think that New Jersey's anglers real concern is conservation. We'd like to think they have made serious effort to know the facts about the fish they claim to "protect."
We'd like to think their arguments are not a lot of we-want-it-all, quasi-conservation propaganda.
There are money-minded sportsmen behind that New Jersey law. They're up here proselytizing in Massachusetts, by the way.
Scary, isn't it?
Molly Benjamin is a Times columnist. She can be reached via email: mbenjamin@capecodonline.com
It's the law in NJ and bet it does not change anytime soon. Maybe some other states should take up the fight.
For once I am proud of NJ!!!!
While the grotesque unfairness of the legislated ban on the sale of striped bass seems lost on the New Jersey Legislature, it hasn't gotten by Molly Benjamin, a reporter for the Cape Cod Times and an avid recreational fisherwomen.
[Link to Seagfood for Consumers sectionto the Seafood for Consumers section]
Pretty soon, just after July 4, New Jersey residents vacationing on Cape Cod get to do something they can't do at home.
Swim in clean water?
Nope, what we have in mind is something that's illegal in New Jersey, but legal in Massachusetts.
In New Jersey, you can't go to a restaurant and order striped bass. In a few weeks, you can easily get incredibly fresh striped bass at dozens of Cape Cod restaurants.
Massachusetts allows the public to eat stripers. New Jersey doesn't.
Isn't that amazing?
I mean, it's not like New Jersey is landlocked. There are literally billions of stripers swimming off the Jersey coast.
It's not that there's some crazy health advisory in effect. New Jersey bass test out just fine.
It's not that Jersey fishermen are so stupid they can't catch a few linesides. They, like their Massachusetts counterparts, will catch zillions of the things this year. The ocean is full of 'em and we have the technology - a rod, reel and baited hook.
The crazy thing is that New Jersey law prohibits selling or marketing striped bass. They can't be sold, not for human consumption, not for anything. (You can sell the right to catch a striper, though, via charterboats and the like.)
In New Jersey, they've chosen not to plug into the American food chain that starts with the harvester and end with a waiter flourishing a pepper grinder over a fine plate of fresh fish.
So: The only people in New Jersey who can eat striped bass are those with the time, inclination, money and access to catch one themselves.
(Well, I guess if you are neighbor to somebody who has all those things down pat, you're handed off a fish once in a while too.)
Why?
New Jersey's army of sportfishers has convinced that state's legislature to ban the sale of stripers. Period.
The result? The anglers get all the fish, all the time. Just them.
Boy, I feel like Rush Limbaugh. The Striper Nazis. Is this whacko, or what?
There is simply no conservation reason for this law. None. Zippo. Bupkis.
Indeed, Rollie Schmitten, who until recently was the top fishery official at the National Marine Fisheries Service, told Congress in 1997 that, "Our information records go back to the 1880s. This year's science showed that there are more striped bass now as at any time of the history of this nation."
If Rollie hadn't been laterally transferred, he'd be even more generous this year. Folks, there's more stripers out there than you can shake an Ugly Stik at.
So how come the Striper Nazis convinced the assembled delegates of the great state of New Jersey to tightly allocate this wondrous fish of all the people to such a small, privileged group?
The anglers have explained how much economic activity is generated by keeping stripers a recreational-only kind of fish. It goes something like this: Rod and other gear expenditures, $50 million; boat charters, $20 million; fuel, beer, grub, $120 million; motels and such, $230 million. And so on.
It's sort of like banning the commercial sale of tomatoes, according to Nils Stolpe, who heads up the Garden State Fishing Association. Compare the two: The gardener spends lots on fertilizer, compost, manure, pesticides, etc.; seed and plants; land costs; gas for the Volvo to drive to the supply store; and so on, which makes most backyard-grown tomatoes worth about $15 a pound.
This, versus the commercially-grown tomato available in the grocery store where anyone can get one for, oh, 49 cents, available to everyone. Stolpe says this is like trying to say we should all have to grow our own tomatoes because they cost so much more, and that is somehow Good.
There's the fear-and-loathing-of-commercial-fishermen argument. Refer to the popular press nonsense about "clear-cutting the ocean bottom," and the like.
Then there's the notion of "greed." But - along the Atlantic States, statistics show recreational fishermen take and kill about seven times the stripers the commercial sector takes. Commercial anglers are licensed, regulated, accounted for and kept tabs on; recreational anglers have no licenses and little constraint. Well, there's minimum sizes and you can only take one fish home a day; but there as here, you can catch them all day long, til your arm grows weary, if you want - and many want. There is a catch-and-release ethic much in vogue among most recreational anglers and all Striper Nazis. Catch the fish, pet it awhile, and let it go. Bye-bye, fishy.
Personally, I find catch-and-release a philosophically complicated thing. I do it, most people do. I know that when trout fishing, chances are high the trout lives to fight another day. Bass fishing is another thing; a huge percentage of recreationally-released stripers die. Both the recreational and commercial fishers end up with dead fish. Only the regulated commercial harvest benefits the general public, which gets food. Good, healthy organic food.
We would like to think that New Jersey's anglers real concern is conservation. We'd like to think they have made serious effort to know the facts about the fish they claim to "protect."
We'd like to think their arguments are not a lot of we-want-it-all, quasi-conservation propaganda.
There are money-minded sportsmen behind that New Jersey law. They're up here proselytizing in Massachusetts, by the way.
Scary, isn't it?
Molly Benjamin is a Times columnist. She can be reached via email: mbenjamin@capecodonline.com
It's the law in NJ and bet it does not change anytime soon. Maybe some other states should take up the fight.
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 58 guests