Wet slipping a Bertram 35

bakerjw · Post by **bakerjw** » Mar 3rd, '26, 09:47

Greetings everyone.
I poke in here off and on to ask questions as everyone on here is so friendly and helpful that I can feel comfortable asking questions without being treated like a moron. Unlike other boat sites. The fact that I love Bertrams helps too.
I've always had a dream of wet slipping a 35' class boat somewhere in the Carolinas as a mobile cabin on the water. A place that if me and the wife want to go spend a few days offshore or to cruise the ICW, we have a home base. If SpaceX is doing a Northeast launch, we can get offshore far enough to enjoy the launch. Or if we just want to get away, we have a place to stay.

Leading up to retirement, I've built up a nest egg to be able to either upgrade a center console (new outboards and electronics) or put it into engine needs, new gen set and anything else to get a Bertram 35 seaworthy and reliable. I am close to pulling the trigger on a center console that will be repowered with new outboards and all new electronics but wanted to step back and see if that is what I truly want to do.

So question time.
Does anyone else here live away from the coast and have a boat that they use for a home away from home?
What kind of monthly cost do you typically see when you wet slip a 35' boat?
Really just trying to get a vibe for what it is like running and fishing out of a larger boat like this.

I still regret that a member here offered me a really great deal on his deceased father's Bertram 35 right when Covid hit and there was no way to pull off getting to where it was or getting it down the ICW. <Sigh>

Just kind of in dream mode still. Insights are appreciated.

Tony Meola · Post by **Tony Meola** » Mar 3rd, '26, 22:02

Not sure who actually uses their boats as weekend retreats, outside of Doug on the West Coast. He would be the best one to answer your questions.

Yannis does also, but he is over in Greece, so his situation is a little different.

Yannis and Doug spend the summers on their boats. Of course, a 35 offers creature comforts the 28 and 31 don't offer.

I have always liked the 35. The bridge came in two configurations; one allowed for additional seating in front of the helm. The 35 is also an excellent rough water boat, should you ever get caught in bad weather.

Hopefully Yannis and Dough will give you some Insite to what it is like living on a boat.

Yannis · Post by **Yannis** » Mar 3rd, '26, 22:31

Bakerjw,

I will not comment on any CC with outboards vs any B35 or other inboard motor boat, as it is principally a matter of how one looks at things. There are precise pros and cons for each choice and there are thousands of comments on this issue on the internet, that I'm sure you have studied before you made any decision.

I cannot, also, comment on costs, as I'm only familiar with inboards, let alone that I'm too far away from any boat costs as they pertain to the US reality.

What I can say, however, as someone who for the last 15 or so years spends 100 summer nights per year in/on a boat, a B28, is that I could never have considered giving up any of the amenities present in a "real cabin boat" as compared to a CC, whereby the notion of living aboard is synonymous to spending most of the time on the deck (for lack of real cabin space), or settle for sleeping in a drawer-like space, as compared to a real bed, having a real bathroom and galley as well as an extra space, the main cabin, which is completely separated from the main berth area. It may perhaps be possible to obtain the same level of such "luxuries" in a CC, however that latter will have to be a considerably bigger boat and therefore the cost comparison will be affected by this parameter also.

A B35 being a much larger boat than the B28, will definitely be a viable water cabin, that will most certainly satisfy the needs of a couple in an even more comfortable way than in a B28. The main advantage of a B35, or any similar platform, over any CC of the same size, is that it better satisfies two conditions: first, it is a complete home, with ample space, different "rooms" whereby two people can enjoy living together but can also seek some privacy. It fulfills all normal daily needs such as the ones available in a real home, like a real salon, a real bedroom, a real galley, a real bathroom with hot water and all similar amenities, plus, it offers protection from the elements when staying inside in a cold rainy day, or hot summer day with the AC on, and all this while being able to see what's going on in the outside, through its vast window openings. It is far better to enjoy a short or longer stay aboard when you do not feel excluded from the outside reality which is what you would get in a CC or sportfish type, where your only connection to the outside world is through a couple of portholes that are not even at your eye level!

And second, the minute you feel that the time is right, you can step outside in the huge deck, with your real lounge chairs, your real dining table, your real bbq or other choice of cooking passtime, all the while not feeling restricted by consoles, fixed seats that are only comfortable for cruising, or awnings that don't really protect you from the sun as a real deck awning in a B35 would.
If you add to all this the notorious seaworthiness of a Bertram, its overall build quality as well as the simplicity of most of its mechanicals (unless you want to complicate things by adding myriads of additional tech items), then this is a no brainer really. These above parameters I considered before I pulled the trigger myself, and I didn't regret it in the least. If I were to do it again, I'd probably go with a B35 too, uniquely for the additional space.
I would pick or modify a B35 though, that would be a post '85 (I think) model year, that features a better flybridge outlay, as well as I would convert the lower port space (closet, drawers and settee area) into a second bunkbed cabin, by possibly having to remove the oven from that area in the galley that protrudes into the new cabin in question.
Good luck!

Carl · Post by **Carl** » Mar 4th, '26, 08:04

Our 31 was bought to fish offshore and use for a week away. We'd pick a destination with a few stops along the way and spend our summer vacation on the boat. These days its been a long weekend on the boat traveling to other Clubs or even dockside. In either case the boat has been our home away from home, summer home. Something about being on the water even at dock is a getaway.
The 31 cabin is cozy for 2, snug with 2 kids and a dog and tight when the neighbors come over at night to play board games and such. But doable...a 35 would be better with much more cabin space.
A 31 cabin gets real small away from port in bad weather...only so many places you can go to lay out comfy. A bigger 35 cabin would be better, a smaller CC...ugh.
Going away means your taking everything you may need. Clothes, bedding, pillows, food, beverages, ice, rafts, beach toys, bicycles, BBQ to cook on? The 31 gets full fast, a 35 would be better, a CC..ugh.
One of my favorite things being on the boat overnight is a hot cup of coffee, in a comfy deck chair, feet up on the transom looking out, works real good for a night cap as well. A 35 can offer the same...CC, ugh.

I have thought about getting out of the 31 and going to a CC. I'd love to be able to walk around the whole boat, fish wherever on it. I like the openness of a CC, visibility when trolling and cruising.

What I do not like, your in the elements with little escape, Cabin is a limited if any. I hate lugging stuff to boat, like poles tackle, tools whatever for each trip. My 31 is setup with everything I need for 90% of my usual trips, maybe more...it just stays there. I hate the lack of open room on most CC, yes room to get around...get around being the word. Cockpit on the 31 is a big backyard to play in.

Its also nice doing moonlight cruises...dock and dine. Even on warm nights it can get cool on the water...nice for guest to tuck in behind the cabin...or go in cabin for addition protection. I do not have to keep simple but a little heat and ac in the cabin can be a big plus when temps go outside the comfort zone.

Cost...It used to be $150 a foot for summer, $22 for dry winter plus, plus plus. Now it may be more...but then again that was NYC pricing.

Keep asking questions as they come to you, lots of answers here from many perspectives. And good luck to you whatever you decide.

bakerjw · Post by **bakerjw** » Mar 4th, '26, 08:41

Great insights, all. It is why I love this site for this kind of interaction. When I talk about a center console, I am talking an older boat in the 26 to 28 foot class which is nothing even close to live aboard.

Back in 2020, my son and I trailered my 18' CC down to Sneads Ferry and stayed at an AirBNB. The inlet was too rough to get out that time but a month later I went down solo and was able to get out and actually fish on the ocean. We've been back several times staying at various places and still loving it. If I get a 27ish CC, it will be kept on the coast to keep us from having to trailer it each way. Then hotels or AirBNBs. This might be the plan until I come close to fully retiring.

When the day of no more work hits, the allure of this kind of living has a definite appeal. As in all things in life, things happen when they are meant to happen and I'll have to keep my eyes out for the right deal. I've mentioned before, a member here offered me his fathers B35 for a great price right as Covid hit. Flying there and navigating a B35 back down the coast was just not a comfortable option at the time.

Thanks again for reinvigorating my B35 dreams!

Yannis · Post by **Yannis** » Mar 4th, '26, 11:18

If you will need a liveaboard, a CC of that size may be too small. A CC may be good for fishing, like Carl says, but to live aboard…ugh!!
The B33 is also a roomy liveaboard, especially the two cabin version. It has a shallower V but its still a monster boat. The single cabin B33 is just a larger B28, but single handed operation is more difficult.
The B31 can also become a liveaboard if you can fit in the cabin, for this size the B28 is the best and the B35 even bester!!

Carl · Post by **Carl** » Mar 4th, '26, 15:39

Thinking about your hope and intention first post, I didn't see venturing far offshore fishing, long trips in perilous waters as a need or want.

Bertram is gonna get you out and more important, get you back in as they are made for that. When I say made for that I think well built, kinda heavy with a Deep Vee to cut through waves. That comes at a price when running, they need power to get boat up and running, AKA- Big power and pricey to run. Drifting they rock as that is what Deep Vee's do.

What am I getting at you ask...shhh, don't tell anyone as this may be considered blasphemy on this site. But if I was buying a boat for relatively calm waters. A boat to be used as a home spot. To be used on nice days for a semi local trip fishing, day at beach, dock n dine, trip to see a launch, moonlit cruise I'd consider looking at something with a nice, big spacious cabin with home away from home amenities...I might be leaning towards...Carver, Silverton, or Luhrs boats. They tend to be flatter bottom, less power to get them going, less rocking, and usually laid out well with lots of space and stuff.
Our club is a destination point for many Loopers. I see lots of people living on their boats for 6 plus months as they make the 6000 mile Great Loop journey. Big cabin, low draft, low power seems to be the ticket for them. Mainship Trawlers are very popular in that crowd, often running small diesel power even some with gas.
Anyway, just a thought over cost of BNB and hotels. Buy a houseboat type boat like above with a small CC to zip around in, best of both worlds. Going way offshore or questionable weather...my thought of boat changes.

Tony Meola · Post by **Tony Meola** » Mar 4th, '26, 22:38

Well we haven't heard from Doug yet, but Yannis and Carl said it well. But I think I would disagree with Carl on one thing, living dockside on a Silverton, Luhrs or whatever is great, but if you have any intention of cruising any distance that takes you outside, I would take a better sea boat any day.

Once you get stuck in slop, you will realize why you gave something else up. Our 31 has been in some tough stuff and I never worried about the boat. I worried more about me screwing up leading to a disaster.

My only living experience on the 31 is offshore on overnighters when I was younger. I couldn't see myself doing it on a center console.

Going to cruise, be in open water, take the better sea boat.

Carl · Post by **Carl** » Mar 5th, '26, 07:21

Tony, I like to hear all options and boats are a compromise.
A 35 Bertram has nice cabin, but if 95% of the use is cruising ICW, small offshore excursions on picked days and dockside living I may want to go from nice cabin to a home size living room.

Money spent on a done B35, or refurbishing a less then done could buy a production boat and a small CC to play with. Needs change, wants change...sell it.

Amberjack · Post by **Amberjack** » Mar 5th, '26, 15:17

Baker, you have a basic decision to make between a CC or a battle tested offshore fishing boat such as a B35. CC’s are designed for day fishing. I know some squeeze in accomodations but you wouldn’t like them. Bertram 35’s are bigger, sturdier and you can live on them but they are designed for offshore fishing. More expensive to run and more expensive to store but they get you out there and back-if you take care of them. You may want something in between.

My wife and I lived aboard and raised two kids on board and it was a wonderful life for all of us. Now we spend a month every summer aboard our Bertram 31 FBC cruising the Inside Passage of British Columbia, also a wonderful life—-for us. We also watched couples move aboard with great hopes and dreams, then split up in six months when reality didn’t match expectations. So be thoughtful.

I think for any boat to function as a vacation cabin you need some baseline amenities: a galley you can actually cook in, an enclosed private head-remember there will be two of you living in a tight space, a separate sleeping area where you can make the bed in the morning and not have to live on top of it during the day, and some kind of climate control. Up here we need heat during bad weather, down there you probably need cooling. Plus a generous holding tank. You’ll be at marinas a lot and they won’t accept pumping over the side.

It sounds as though you haven’t lived aboard so my advice is to try it by chartering a boat for a week or two to get an idea of the life. It’s surprisingly more work than you think: filling water, pumping the tank, hauling groceries, in our case hauling ice, fueling up, walking up the dock to the showers. And remember on a charter they do most of that for you. We factor it in and enjoy it but I’m happy to be home at the end of the summer.

Expense: if you do it right and want the boat to be there for you out on the water it gets expensive. I do a lot of my own work and spend $12,000-15,000 easily every year for moorage, insurance haul outs and maintenance. Easily that much, probably more most years. Think ahead about off season storage. If you wet store it you will need to pay someone to keep an eye on it for you. Dry storing doesn’t save much money plus you can’t use the boat on spur of the moment. The deal with a boat is that they always have to be somewhere-either at the dock or in a yard. And no gaps in that allowed.

Our 31 works for us because we travel to pretty remote areas. It’s snug for living but we’re willing to make the trade off. For your application I agree with Carl. A 32-35 foot single engine like a Mainship or one of the tug types are probably a better choice. It sounds as though you may nip out onto the ocean on occasion but aren’t planning on going offshore.

Finally a word of advice. It’s the easiest thing in the world to buy a boat. It’s the hardest thing in the world to sell it.

There are thousands of boats out there for sale that would work for you. Take your time to find one with good working equipment laid out the way you want. Don’t make the mistake of “a good deal you can’t pass up”, those are traps.

Amberjack · Post by **Amberjack** » Mar 5th, '26, 17:49

I should point out that we lived aboard a 48’ bridge deck cruiser for the first three years then stepped up to a 52’ fiberglass ocean rigged sailboat to raise the kids. When the older boy turned 13 we saw the writing on the wall, sold the boat and bought a house. House life is boring compared to life aboard.

Ironworker · Post by **Ironworker** » Mar 5th, '26, 18:08

First I'd suggest you get a good handle on your fixed operating cost for an Inboard: Annual haul cost, maintenance, divers, fuel, dockage and insurance.

The current boat market is an excellent time to buy. People bought boats then realized they couldn't afford the annual upkeep and operating cost. It can vary widely depending on where you are located. Personally, if I was going to liveaboard, I'd be looking for a 42' to 45' older sportsfisherman or trawler.

bakerjw · Post by **bakerjw** » Mar 5th, '26, 18:46

OK, I have to reiterate. When I mention a CC, I'm talking one in the 27 foot range and it is not going to be a wildly expensive one at that. Somehow the idea that I want to live aboard one got started and I have to make it clear that it is not the case.

I got thinking about Bertrams again when I started running numbers to repower and upgrade the electronics on some older CCs that I've watched come and go on the sales sites. It's actually hard to find decent project boats out there. Everyone thinks that their boat is worth way more than it is actually worth.

Again, all great insights into the world of inboards and what is involved with living on and maintaining them.

Again, I am only looking at CCs so when I do go to the coast, I have a boat that is more capable than my current 18' Stratos and can be stored down there so I am not dragging it through our mountains every time we make a trip.

I am a research engineer. I analyze everything before I ever make a decision. Unless something magical comes along, I will still be analyzing this for a few years more. And planning has been mentioned. I have bikepacked out of B.C. Canada through the Canadian Rockies back into MT. a handful of times. That is where my bike carries by tent, sleeping bag, very basic clothing, tools and spares. Weight is of paramount importance. My 2nd time, I had shaved down the weight of everything to 45#. In 2019, my wife and I did the same route on our mountain tandem bike. Best time together in our 42 years of marriage.

Yannis · Post by **Yannis** » Mar 6th, '26, 00:14

Baker,

While you're at it, may I suggest that one of your most important decisions leading to a boat choice is what Carl and Doug implied. That you decide the "use" of your boat.

Wandering around? Fishing? Fishing where? Dockside weekends? Whatever... Because this "usage pattern" will justify your choice, of an offshore boat vs a flatter V, more eco to run boat, and all the choices in between.
Since Doug pointed out the Mainship, there are also Island Gypsie, Grand Banks...like you said, you're in for a thorough investigation, only remember, life does not last forever and maybe, I'm saying maybe, a "not that perfect" boat choice is better than no choice at all...

bakerjw · Post by **bakerjw** » Mar 6th, '26, 08:07

Very well stated Yannis!

Plain and simply, I fish. I am not into the sandbar scene. Well, other than pulling up to a beach and checking out the wildlife and such.
I have taken my 18' CC out 15 miles or so a few times. Sometimes in great weather and other times not so good where I become better at learning how to handle my boat in less than perfect conditions. It is one of the reasons that I've been looking at 27' CCs. So that I can go out in heavier waves to hone my skills even better.

The deeper inboards might roll a little more on a drift or at anchor, but I want a craft that can handle conditions that might arise. And when either of my sons and their wives or even some of my friends wants to head offshore for a few days for tuna or whatever, then we have a solid machine to go do it.

There will certainly be some dock time and the thought of a gentle cruise on the ICW to Wilmington, Charleston or other places further south sounds relaxing. All part of the investigation and planning.

As a side note, my son and I watch the Big Rock tournament every year. Seeing those big boats heading out or coming back in is something to behold.

As Louisa May Alcott stated so eloquently.
"I am not afraid of storms, for I am learning to sail my ship."

Yannis · Post by **Yannis** » Mar 6th, '26, 12:50

Yep, all this sets the clock right!
So, you want fishing capabilities offshore, so that's a no brainer! With all that you have read here, and probably elsewhere, the answer is self explanatory.

Caution, however, should be demonstrated in differentiating some notions, as follows:

Your desire to move up to a 27ish CC is well understood, as this kind of boat is (probably) seaworthy enough for ocean faring, fulfilling your need for a safer and more comfortable boat, compared to your 18' current one. All this is fine.
BUT, make no mistake! Your view of ANY bigger boat at this point IS a better choice, than a 18 footer out in the waves.
The point is to be able to see yourself commanding a 27CC, without comparing it to your current boat, but rather to the second best choice of a boat that you dismissed!

In other words, cruising in your 18' close to a 27CC today you feel dwarfed and full of desire to obtain that 27 and be able to play with the big boys....
What you have to force yourself to foresee, though, is how you WOULD feel in a 27CC cruising close to a B35, or whatever your next best choice was!
And the difficulty rests with how HONEST you CAN be to yourself, when you have not yet experienced either of the two!
When you own a boat, you always have the tendency to compare yours to boats that you chose not to own, or to others that you may never will. This is a comparison full of dreams and plans... the comparison however of your new boat to your previous boat cannot explain if this was a right choice, because ANY choice of a bigger boat will be better...

As for Louisa May Alcott, I would prefer not to learn how to sail my ship during storms, I'd rather obtain my sailing skills in calm weather and own a boat that IT be not afraid of storms...

Tony Meola · Post by **Tony Meola** » Mar 6th, '26, 22:13

You like to fish, you do head offshore, thinking maybe a day or two trip offshore. Sounds like you need to up hunt to find a 38 Bertram.

Just kidding, but make sure you remember, all boats are a compromise. So choose wisely. Like Doug said, boats are easy to purchase and hard to sell.

The guys gave you some good options and advice. So enjoy the hunt, but don't overthink it, or it will never happen.

Carl · Post by **Carl** » Mar 7th, '26, 09:40

First thoughts…boats are nothing more than corks in the water, Mother Nature always wins, respect her always.

Next thought is there is no perfect boat, just the best compromise. If the plan is to take your boat offshore for a couple days the chances of a perfect weather window for the entire trip is reduced, if your going to be out in a 35’ boat, a Bertram makes sense.

Down side to the Bertram are those relaxed cruising days on the ICW, Bertram with her Deep Vee draws more water than flatter bottom boats. If you’re going Diesel she’ll sit deeper with larger wheels drawing a couple inches more. What’s the difference…a couple inches of clearance or not clearing an obstruction. Inboard running gear is fully exposed and not easy or cheap to have worked on. Simple, yes, cheap no.

Deep Vee running is very stable, at anchor with pointy end into the wind n waves is fine. Drifting will have boat beam to waves and it’s Rock n Roll time. It can be unnerving especially for those guests not used to it. And ya better not have anything unsecured that you don’t want on the floor.

35 Bertram did see some boats with gas power. I’d say fringe territory with gas, motors work hard. Aside from being thirsty…those motors work hard. Motors with hard life tend to have short life. Diesel power in my opinion is a better match but comes at a price. The initial investment for diesel boat and the maintenance cost. Simple routine oil change is wildly more money. Parts…. Not looking to deter you, just be aware when shopping and buying.

I’ll disagree that sell8ng a boat is tough. I think it is tough to sell a boat at a price you think is fair..,a price you may be able to recoup some money spent on it. Yeah, that can be tough. Selling at a price the buyer thinks is fair is usually easier.

I didn’t touch on trawlers, to me they are a different mindset. Many can handle sea’s, deep keels to track and protect running gear, often diesel single screw giving an extended range with lots of room to live. The mindset comes with the speed, it’s always going to be a relaxed few knot pace. Although they have compromised those too…guy in my club just picked one up that will cruise 17 knots, granted it required a bigger motor which always sucks a bit more fuel at every rpm. That rounded full keel trawler hull now sees a flatter section aft losing some stability…but CAN cruise faster and get to see the fuel gage move.

Like going from your 18’ to a 27’cc will open new doors, allow you to push the envelope a bit but it will come with restrictions of maneuverability, range per gallon, ease of trailering, cost for dockage, more to clean and maintain.

Last couple thoughts…going offshore for extended time with guests you will…or at least I hope you will want a very well maintained boat with the needed safety gear and backup systems, life raft, epirb.etc.

A great point Doug made about chartering a boat for a couple weeks of living aboard.
Also if boat ( or Captain) is not up to an offshore trip...charter a boat, go fish, come back..leave.

Those beautiful days waking up to sunrise with hot cup of coffee watching birds dive for fish I can watch over n over. Getting back to boat having a cool beverage in the sun with gentle breeze..awesome. Looking up to the stars on a calm night are just dreams. A passing shower lets you go inside cabin and catch up on Saltwater magazines as you nod off to the gentle waves slapping side of hull with a light piter patter of the rain on cabin.

A couple days of rain and that sound is just dam annoying, boat won’t stay still, everything is damp. Decide to call a cab for dinner so get in driest clothes, step out and your umbrella bows out, step off boat, but wind has waves washing over dock so your soaked. Screw it head to cab and go. Still have to deal with pump out…
Sitting around reading old magazines, watching tv has those cabin walls getting tighter and tighter. Living space with others seems more n more cramped have some guests. Ugh. I’ve only done week stints and long weekends on our boat. Nice days, it is the best. Not so nice days….

Hey, just tossing out thoughts as you have options till you buy.

Tony Meola · Post by **Tony Meola** » Mar 9th, '26, 21:02

Carl

Do you throw wet rags around. LOL

Here is a timely article.

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Carl · Post by **Carl** » Mar 10th, '26, 22:21

Tony-

I will toss out every idea when brainstorming. Let them sit and air out…if it’s garbage, toss it. If not sure, leave till you are sure. As the process continues a path emerges.

My first real boat was a Bayliner…after a fiasco with a Mahogany Chris Craft. Anyway had a blast with it for a season. Decided I wanted to fish more and came up with a plan to turn a wanna be ski boat into a fishing boat. Getting started on that plan I came across a boat better suited for fishing and went that direction.

In short, toss all ideas out there, narrow and get a direction, move forward with it. But if something better comes along, rethink as required.

Yannis · Post by **Yannis** » Mar 11th, '26, 08:55

I don't know how you entertain yourselves discussing theories, the fact of the matter remains: I finished my annual and I'm starting to contemplate my summer vacations! Isn't this a reason to celebrate??

Carl · Post by **Carl** » Mar 11th, '26, 13:18

Great for you Yannis!

We went from arctic temperatures with 2 feet of snow, to 70 degrees this week. Yes, the call of Spring now weighs on my mind. Funny how boating is hardly a thought when its so cold.

Theories, thoughts...anything to remove work from my mind for a bit. And if it can be contemplating how to spend time on the water, all the better. Even if its not my time to spend...I'll live vicariously for a short while, then get back to reality.

So what is the summer plan this year Yannis? Summer at the family home or boating, maybe a mix of both.

Tony Meola · Post by **Tony Meola** » Mar 11th, '26, 21:09

Carl

I heard a rumor Yannis was going to hold a big gathering for all of us over in Greece.

Yannis · Post by **Yannis** » Mar 12th, '26, 00:30

Ha ha ! Anytime Tony,

I doubt, though, that even with saddle tanks you'll be able to make the journey to the Azores which is 2500 miles and the halfway point...
Instead, I propose the use of a large metallic, usually aluminum cylinder, that flies over the sea and takes you places!
Tony, don't forget, you have to visit your ancestral home in Sicily before you even make it here! From Palermo to Athens it's a 2hr flight.

Tony Meola · Post by **Tony Meola** » Mar 12th, '26, 21:03

Your right Yannis I do need to make that visit. Probably should think about it. I turned 75 earlier this year. While I am in good health, still move around like I am much younger, I have to face reality.

Faced one scare when I failed a stress test. But luckily it was like in school, I just don't test well. But that kind of put me on warning.

I need to put Italy on my bucket list.

Carl · Post by **Carl** » Mar 13th, '26, 07:12

Tony-

If you have the means, don't put on bucket list...buy tickets, make reservations where you need to and go.

Age is age, but we never know what is in store for us right around the corner. Even if in good health, sometimes we just decide we are no longer interested in something we were once passionate about. Go while you want to and enjoy.

If you want I can start a Go Fund Me Page for you Tony. I can see it now...sad ASPCA music in the background, Tony turns to the camera with a tear in his eye, lip quivering, tiny fish dangling from fishing pole in his hands ...Tony Meola has not seen his ancestral home of Sicily and time is running out. Tony's summers are now spent inshore fishing from an old boat these days, as the long weekends offshore take a toll. Tony needs your help, a generous $10.00 donation from you will have Tony eating Pasta Alla Norma and Caponata. A $15.00 donation will let Tony meet with longtime friend Yannis in Greece, enjoying a roasted lamb festival, please give now. Screen goes dark as music fades...

Let me know...

Anyway,
Take the Nike logo to heart, Just Do It!

My .02 with hopes I can take my own advice.

Yannis · Post by **Yannis** » Mar 13th, '26, 13:33

Carl,

Are you sure you picked the right job? Playwright or novelist or perhaps film director may have been better choices?? Too funny!!!

Yannis · Post by **Yannis** » Mar 13th, '26, 13:33

Carl,

You might as well go along with Tony, it would be a hell of a trip!!!

Tony Meola · Post by **Tony Meola** » Mar 13th, '26, 20:59

Carl

That is funny. I have to clean some things off my plate and give serious thought to it. It has been on my mind, but I traveled so much when I was working, flying doesn't interest me anymore, especially with all the garbage you have to put up with to fly.

But Yes I need to do it.

Carl · Post by **Carl** » Mar 14th, '26, 09:48

Of course I’m teasing about everything aside from trying to give a push. I understand the why do today what can be done tomorrow. You’ve flown a lot and no longer something to look forward to.

But the flight is now just a means to your destination. It’s two movies a snack n a nap or a little last minute tablet R&D. For that you and your wife experience something you seem to have a strong connection to. At least that is my understanding from past postings.

Do you still have family there? Know where your family lived?

Tony Meola · Post by **Tony Meola** » Mar 14th, '26, 21:02

My Mothers family was from Palermo. Relatives there. Yes. Do I know them no. Supposedly the story goes, my grandparents came here from Palermo and left their home to relatives who I do know were living there at one time.

Now who knows. Those contacts died with my Aunts and Uncles. My grandmother passed before I was born, and I was two when my grandfather past. So I really never knew them other from stories that were told especially by my older Cousins.

My fathers family came from the mountains outside of Naples. My Grandmother use to go there to visit, but we lost touch with them after my grandmother passed away.

But Sicily interests me. Because of what I heard from family, but it is supposed to be a great spot to visit in Italy. I would definitely try and hunt some long-lost relatives. I have one cousin, who has been there. He claims the family house is gone but knowing him he was on the wrong street.

pschauss · Post by **pschauss** » Mar 15th, '26, 08:13

Twelve years ago, my wife persuaded me to spend a week visiting the town in Germany where my grandmother was born. It was truly an amazing experience.

Carl · Post by **Carl** » Mar 15th, '26, 11:12

Naples, i know some of moms family came from there. To my knowledge we have no contacts.

My wife’s cousins have in the past few years kindled relationships with family in Italy. It seems to have branched into a whole network of family and extended family. When they visit they are collectively known as “The Italians”

The last few years it seems like everyone is going to Italy. I have yet to hear of a person not loving the experience. Some to revisit, see and meet family, others to learn and visit places of old family stories. Others just go to sightsee and enjoy the food which I hear is incredible especially the small places off the beaten path.

From stories I’ve heard I wouldn’t be surprised if your family home is still there but claimed by cousins. Some weird laws and practices from our norm.

The US is an amazing place, lots of history but nothing compared to Italy, Greece. Yannis mentioned something that sticks with me…I might get it wrong but went something like how can you build on a path Jesus walked on. Those places are history.

Yannis · Post by **Yannis** » Mar 15th, '26, 15:50

Carl,

Considering my atheism it may have been impossible for me to have said that.
If I said it, I may have wanted to show off, in which case I stand guilty in front of you.

PS: If you want really to find your ancestors come here. They all, or almost all, left from here...

Carl · Post by **Carl** » Mar 15th, '26, 17:34

Yannis- The context if I recall correctly had to do with your annoyance of Greece being stuck in history, not able to advance forward. A path Jesus is believed to have walked has to remain as it is history. Had nothing to do with belief or non belief but a statement of historical importance.

It would take me a awhile to find as I couldn’t tell you the topic… not that we are known to stay on topic.

Tony Meola · Post by **Tony Meola** » Mar 15th, '26, 21:20

Carl

We have dragged this off topic. But in a good way.

Peter

My wife's family came from Germany. When she was a teenager her family went back to visit with Relatives. Her mother when alive kept in touch with their relatives over there.

I wish someone in my family had stayed closer to those in Italy.

Ok now I need to go see a travel agent.

Yannis · Post by **Yannis** » Mar 16th, '26, 00:36

Tony, get a real ticket, not a Ryanair or Easy or whatever cheap company.
You have to see how you will fit in that seat for 10+ hours without becoming a donut..
Unless, of course you fly first class!

Carl · Post by **Carl** » Mar 16th, '26, 05:47

Tony- The topic is still somewhat on point...working towards experiencing a dream.

Tony Meola wrote: ↑Mar 15th, '26, 21:20 I wish someone in my family had stayed closer to those in Italy.

Sometimes that person has to be you. I was going to say, wouldn't it be funny if your family in Italy is wishing someone there kept the connection with the Americans. I didn't say it as I think I can win a bet with you that those sentiments ring true. Of course the only way to know for sure is when you meet them.

Tony Meola · Post by **Tony Meola** » Mar 16th, '26, 21:31

Carl

That is so true.

Yannis, I decided I need to make two long flights. One is back to Hawaii and the other to the Homeland.

I decided for those two flights, First class would be the only way to go.

Yannis · Post by **Yannis** » Mar 17th, '26, 07:51

Good for you, Tony, go for it!

Me, on the other hand, I have decided that I will not make any long flights.
There was a time when I had lived 30% of my life away from home...I had taken more than a 100 flights, it was when flying was still a pleasure, adequate leg room, no customs bs, no take off your shoes, your belt and stuff...no you cant carry liquids more than 100ml, no you have to fit all your toiletries and medicines in a tiny plastic pouch...real airline food with stainless utensils, plenty of free wine, it was a good part of the voyage.
Now, if you add to all this the ordeal for all foreigners when they visit the US, like where are you going to stay, do you have relatives, do you carry pistachios...thanks but no thanks...the only trip I would wish to make, but will probably not, is to Japan. Too long a trip and too much of a jet lag...
My son is in Dublin and its a 4:40hr flight...I will force myself to go if the occasion arises, but only with a real airline.

Carl · Post by **Carl** » Mar 17th, '26, 11:29

Yannis...what are you doing? We are supposed to be talking Tony "into" taking a trip. Up till now we did such a great job he's going on two trips. One 1/2 way around the world going East. The other going the other way around to the West. Unless you go from Italy to Hawaii for a full trip around the Big Blue.

Tony, nevermind what Yannis said. Your going first class where they walk you on and pamper you all the way to your destination. You won't even want to leave the plane when you get to Italy...well maybe the smell of a good pizza might get you.

Great news Tony, happy your going to make it happen!

Yannis · Post by **Yannis** » Mar 17th, '26, 13:56

Hahaha, Carl, too funny!!
Tony, if you go to Italy in September I still have the boat on the water mind you!

Carl · Post by **Carl** » Mar 18th, '26, 11:08

Don't get too excited Tony...remember its a 28 Bertram.

Yannis · Post by **Yannis** » Mar 18th, '26, 15:46

Yep, the ALL TIME BEST SELLER of Bertram.
The one that sold more than all other Bertrams combined. Of the 31 too ...
You know, the one that you fit in the cabin like in big yachts...
The one with the deepest deadrise in Bertram boatbuilding.
The one that you arrive dry, despite all weather conditions, dry like in James Bond dry...
The one that if you can't acquire, you get a 31 instead...

Carl · Post by **Carl** » Mar 18th, '26, 18:36

Yannis wrote: ↑Mar 18th, '26, 15:46 The one that you arrive dry, despite all weather conditions, dry like in James Bond dry...

Ow this one really hurt Yannis! Very true, but still hurts.

lol

Tony Meola · Post by **Tony Meola** » Mar 18th, '26, 20:51

Carl

No matter how Yannis paints it, it is still a Hyena boat.

Yannis · Post by **Yannis** » Mar 19th, '26, 02:30

We said a million times that the Hyena looks may have been true with the old stock small motors. Today's 250hp 4LHA's provide a different angle at cruise speeds...c'mon Tony, does this look like a Hyena boat to you?

Carl · Post by **Carl** » Mar 19th, '26, 11:13

Tony Meola · Post by **Tony Meola** » Mar 19th, '26, 20:53

LOL

I still think the 28 is a better head sea boat than the 31.

Yannis · Post by **Yannis** » Mar 20th, '26, 00:46

Carl, you took it to another level!!

Tony, I don't know if the 31 is a better fishing boat than the 28, as I don't fish.
For what my needs are, though, the 28 is better. I would never be able to live in a boat that I can't stand straight in the cabin.
As for being a good or better head-sea boat, the 28 is dry. Dry up to a certain extent, that is.
A couple of years ago, as I was wrapping up my vacations and heading back home, I cruised in a terrible weather. So terrible that a journey of less than 3hrs took me more than 5hrs. It was when the whole bimini arch, which was also bearing the two rigid solar panels, snapped and I had to hold it for the duration of the trip all the while being soaking wet and freezing cold, no way I could go down below and take my rain gear...it was when I realized that the notion "dry" has its limits...
I decided to drop the arch and bimini altogether, and placed (with sicaflex) flexible panels on the front leaning surface, like you see in the pic that Carl embellished with the Coat of Arms featuring an unknown to me animal of the Savanah!!