Introducing Fly N Fish
Moderators: CaptPatrick, mike ohlstein, Bruce
Re: Introducing Fly N Fish
LOL, WOW, I didn't realize just how attached to the Tower you are.
I assumed like everything on your boat the Tower was well thought out, you knew it added some weight, being a pilot I knew you are keenly aware of air resistance so this was a good way to kick the bear, something I enjoy doing from time to time.
I'm still smirking...
Whether the Tower was just cause it looks good...and it really does or you have a need for it...which you definitely do, it is a compromise. I think that is a big reason Skinny Witch performs like it does...no upper structure, no bridge, no tower, light and low. The other thing I was hesitant to say, if we want economical running we need to loose that deep vee running stem to stern. Flatten it out like many other boats and she'd pop up on plane faster with less power, she'd stay on plane with less power and go faster with less power. OF course then it wouldn't be a Bertram with the Bertram ride and sea keeping abilities...something I am not willing to trade. Except maybe on nice flat days and maybe sloppy days drifting beam to.
I checked out your travels...tower or no tower...yikes.
I assumed like everything on your boat the Tower was well thought out, you knew it added some weight, being a pilot I knew you are keenly aware of air resistance so this was a good way to kick the bear, something I enjoy doing from time to time.
I'm still smirking...
Whether the Tower was just cause it looks good...and it really does or you have a need for it...which you definitely do, it is a compromise. I think that is a big reason Skinny Witch performs like it does...no upper structure, no bridge, no tower, light and low. The other thing I was hesitant to say, if we want economical running we need to loose that deep vee running stem to stern. Flatten it out like many other boats and she'd pop up on plane faster with less power, she'd stay on plane with less power and go faster with less power. OF course then it wouldn't be a Bertram with the Bertram ride and sea keeping abilities...something I am not willing to trade. Except maybe on nice flat days and maybe sloppy days drifting beam to.
I checked out your travels...tower or no tower...yikes.
-
- Posts: 824
- Joined: Jul 22nd, '17, 13:59
Re: Introducing Fly N Fish
That was her first trip to the Bahamas. I was trying to be careful not to ding her props. Now that I've gotten use to how much water she actually needs we are a little more daring.
If you have a notion for some warm water fishing come down to Spanish Wells. We should be there mid April and will be fishing hard until the end of June.
Rick Ott
Fly N Fish
1969 B31 Flybridge
Hull # Don't have a clue
Fly N Fish
1969 B31 Flybridge
Hull # Don't have a clue
-
- Senior Member
- Posts: 7114
- Joined: Jun 29th, '06, 21:24
- Location: Hillsdale, New Jersey
- Contact:
Re: Introducing Fly N Fish
Rick
Have you figured out how much water you are drawing? Out of the factory it was just short of 3 feet.
Have you figured out how much water you are drawing? Out of the factory it was just short of 3 feet.
1975 FBC BERG1467-315
-
- Posts: 824
- Joined: Jul 22nd, '17, 13:59
Re: Introducing Fly N Fish
I haven't actually measured the depth. I use 3' as my guide.Tony Meola wrote: ↑Jan 30th, '25, 22:27 Rick
Have you figured out how much water you are drawing? Out of the factory it was just short of 3 feet.
I have my transducer offset by 3' which has worked out pretty well for me...... so far. The Bahamas are well known for some busted up running gear.
Rick Ott
Fly N Fish
1969 B31 Flybridge
Hull # Don't have a clue
Fly N Fish
1969 B31 Flybridge
Hull # Don't have a clue
-
- Senior Member
- Posts: 7114
- Joined: Jun 29th, '06, 21:24
- Location: Hillsdale, New Jersey
- Contact:
Re: Introducing Fly N Fish
I would think at the most it is 3 feet. Otherwise, your Exhaust would be completely underwater when full of fuel.
1975 FBC BERG1467-315
Re: Introducing Fly N Fish
Until I figure a way to get away from this work thing, you’re safe from seeing me drop by for a day out fishing. But when I do….
Props are easy to swap out in calm water… the shaft can be a bit more tricky. And a strut…oh my. Are you forward scanning or charts n eyes? When we took a charter out of Bermuda the Captain ran through a reef. I was a bit uneasy…but then not my boat, I could swim to shore and water was warm.
Much different kind of boating… here you don’t know what your gonna hit till you hit it.
Props are easy to swap out in calm water… the shaft can be a bit more tricky. And a strut…oh my. Are you forward scanning or charts n eyes? When we took a charter out of Bermuda the Captain ran through a reef. I was a bit uneasy…but then not my boat, I could swim to shore and water was warm.
Much different kind of boating… here you don’t know what your gonna hit till you hit it.
Re: Introducing Fly N Fish
Carl, it's not your boat alright, but the tiburones?
1973 B28 FBC/2007 4LHA STP's - "Phantom Duck" - Hull "BER 00794 1172"
-
- Posts: 824
- Joined: Jul 22nd, '17, 13:59
Re: Introducing Fly N Fish
Carl wrote: ↑Jan 31st, '25, 23:22 Until I figure a way to get away from this work thing, you’re safe from seeing me drop by for a day out fishing. But when I do….
Props are easy to swap out in calm water… the shaft can be a bit more tricky. And a strut…oh my. Are you forward scanning or charts n eyes? When we took a charter out of Bermuda the Captain ran through a reef. I was a bit uneasy…but then not my boat, I could swim to shore and water was warm.
Much different kind of boating… here you don’t know what your gonna hit till you hit it.
Rick Ott
Fly N Fish
1969 B31 Flybridge
Hull # Don't have a clue
Fly N Fish
1969 B31 Flybridge
Hull # Don't have a clue
-
- Posts: 824
- Joined: Jul 22nd, '17, 13:59
Re: Introducing Fly N Fish
I have two transducers on my boat a 3KW unit in a pocket that I use for deep dropping and a forward/side scan unit that I use while running. Both are mounted on the keel. I also have a lot of routes plotted in my chartplotter from 40 years of running boats in the Bahamas. Still the most important tool is ones eyes. Learning to read the water is extremely important.
One suggestion that I would make for someone visiting the Bahamas in their own boat is to buy a set of Explorer Charts. They are also loaded in CMAP base charts. They are pretty good for getting you to and from most spots. Its when you venture off the general routes that can get you into trouble.
Rick Ott
Fly N Fish
1969 B31 Flybridge
Hull # Don't have a clue
Fly N Fish
1969 B31 Flybridge
Hull # Don't have a clue
Re: Introducing Fly N Fish
tiburones
Had to look that up…I guess you didn’t mean the Ricky Martin song but sharks. I should have known that as we supercharged Hyundai Tiburon s years ago and I remember looking up the name meaning shark.
I said reef, so I guess reef sharks. But I’m not sure it really was a reef or has another name. It was a section of water of various depth littered with huge rocks or… that he zig zagged through so he didn’t have to go out n around to follow channel in. For me I’d burn the couple extra gallons of fuel for safe water, but fuel is not cheap there and I assume he knows the waters. Then again his first trip with the boat was running it from NJ to Bermuda. In any case, I shook my head knowing it not the path I’d take if I was at the helm…but not my boat and if we did hit, I could swim ashore and we had the buddy system for sharks. I’m not a fast swimmer, but faster than my buddy.
K- kidding. I’m not one to worry about sharks unless I have to. No need at that time.
A couple pics from the day. The boat wasn’t all that fast, but faster then I’d want to hit something.



Had to look that up…I guess you didn’t mean the Ricky Martin song but sharks. I should have known that as we supercharged Hyundai Tiburon s years ago and I remember looking up the name meaning shark.
I said reef, so I guess reef sharks. But I’m not sure it really was a reef or has another name. It was a section of water of various depth littered with huge rocks or… that he zig zagged through so he didn’t have to go out n around to follow channel in. For me I’d burn the couple extra gallons of fuel for safe water, but fuel is not cheap there and I assume he knows the waters. Then again his first trip with the boat was running it from NJ to Bermuda. In any case, I shook my head knowing it not the path I’d take if I was at the helm…but not my boat and if we did hit, I could swim ashore and we had the buddy system for sharks. I’m not a fast swimmer, but faster than my buddy.
K- kidding. I’m not one to worry about sharks unless I have to. No need at that time.
A couple pics from the day. The boat wasn’t all that fast, but faster then I’d want to hit something.



Last edited by Carl on Feb 3rd, '25, 08:27, edited 1 time in total.
-
- Senior Member
- Posts: 7114
- Joined: Jun 29th, '06, 21:24
- Location: Hillsdale, New Jersey
- Contact:
Re: Introducing Fly N Fish
Carl & Rick
That water is so clear you really need to have good judgement to determine what you can clear and can't clear. Never been there but fished down in Grand Cayman a few times and got to know the Capt. pretty well. Was on the bridge with the captain on a 38 Bertram cutting through the North Sound and all I could think about was hitting something. It all looks shallow.
But then again, I am in NJ and not use to seeing bottom.
That water is so clear you really need to have good judgement to determine what you can clear and can't clear. Never been there but fished down in Grand Cayman a few times and got to know the Capt. pretty well. Was on the bridge with the captain on a 38 Bertram cutting through the North Sound and all I could think about was hitting something. It all looks shallow.
But then again, I am in NJ and not use to seeing bottom.
1975 FBC BERG1467-315
Re: Introducing Fly N Fish
I'm used to seeing bottom and one thing we do is we avoid running over these patches, we go around always.
The difference between the Med and the Caribbean is that in the Med all these patches, whether just pure vegetation or rocks or both are almost always very near the coast. In the Caribbean, as I see in the pics and elsewhere, you can find them in the middle of nowhere...and that is a problem.
The water color is the same though.
The difference between the Med and the Caribbean is that in the Med all these patches, whether just pure vegetation or rocks or both are almost always very near the coast. In the Caribbean, as I see in the pics and elsewhere, you can find them in the middle of nowhere...and that is a problem.
The water color is the same though.
1973 B28 FBC/2007 4LHA STP's - "Phantom Duck" - Hull "BER 00794 1172"
-
- Posts: 824
- Joined: Jul 22nd, '17, 13:59
Re: Introducing Fly N Fish
Here are a couple of photos of areas that I posted about earlier. First is the path between Sandy Cay and West End. The second is the little known cut between Grand Bahama Island and Abaco. I learned about the cut from an old sailor about 20 years ago. Some of these shortcuts shave off a few miles but the Cave Cay actually adds 30 miles. However taking that route can add for a better ride when the seas in the Providence Channel are rough.

West End of Grand Bahama

Cave Cay


West End of Grand Bahama

Cave Cay

Rick Ott
Fly N Fish
1969 B31 Flybridge
Hull # Don't have a clue
Fly N Fish
1969 B31 Flybridge
Hull # Don't have a clue
Re: Introducing Fly N Fish
Are these meters?
1973 B28 FBC/2007 4LHA STP's - "Phantom Duck" - Hull "BER 00794 1172"
-
- Posts: 824
- Joined: Jul 22nd, '17, 13:59
Re: Introducing Fly N Fish
Unfortunately it's in Feet. These are old charts. Hurricane Dorian shifted a lot of sand and these charts are not accurate but they are close. The Bahamas does not maintain its Navigation Aids and often they are non existent.
Rick Ott
Fly N Fish
1969 B31 Flybridge
Hull # Don't have a clue
Fly N Fish
1969 B31 Flybridge
Hull # Don't have a clue
-
- Senior Member
- Posts: 7114
- Joined: Jun 29th, '06, 21:24
- Location: Hillsdale, New Jersey
- Contact:
Re: Introducing Fly N Fish
Rick
Some skinny water there. I thought I ran through some skinny spots heading to Barnegat inlet but that looks real tight in spots.
Some skinny water there. I thought I ran through some skinny spots heading to Barnegat inlet but that looks real tight in spots.
1975 FBC BERG1467-315
-
- Posts: 824
- Joined: Jul 22nd, '17, 13:59
Re: Introducing Fly N Fish
These are the kinds of areas that I'm routinely running which is exactly why I have a 31 Bertram! I need shallow draft with big boat ride/handling. Crossing the Providence Channel which is 14,000 ft deep with 3,000 miles of easterly fetch only to be met with running in 3.5 feet of water is just another day in the life of a Bahamian fisherman.Tony Meola wrote: ↑Feb 2nd, '25, 22:33 Rick
Some skinny water there. I thought I ran through some skinny spots heading to Barnegat inlet but that looks real tight in spots.
Rick Ott
Fly N Fish
1969 B31 Flybridge
Hull # Don't have a clue
Fly N Fish
1969 B31 Flybridge
Hull # Don't have a clue
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot], Google [Bot] and 64 guests