Piece of wood with number

The Main Sand Box for bertram31.com

Moderators: CaptPatrick, mike ohlstein, Bruce

Post Reply
User avatar
Olivier
Standing Member
Posts: 40
Joined: Jun 23rd, '13, 07:18
Location: Puerto Princesa, Palawan, Philippines

Piece of wood with number

Post by Olivier »

Image
Dear All,
Found this piece of wood down of my B31 deck when i removed it for replacement
If you can help to understand the meaning of this number.
NET 6 TON for 6 metric ton : OK
NO 544610 : ?

Thanks for your help

Olivier
1972 BERTRAM 31 hull number NJZ594940686
User avatar
Rawleigh
Senior Member
Posts: 3444
Joined: Jun 29th, '06, 08:30
Location: Irvington, VA

Re: Piece of wood with number

Post by Rawleigh »

It should be the federal documentation number. They have to list the net tonnage.

Your vessel was documented at one time.
Rawleigh
1966 FBC 31
User avatar
Olivier
Standing Member
Posts: 40
Joined: Jun 23rd, '13, 07:18
Location: Puerto Princesa, Palawan, Philippines

Re: Piece of wood with number

Post by Olivier »

No relation with Bertram production number?
It's very hard to find and understand the story of my B31 !!
Olivier
1972 BERTRAM 31 hull number NJZ594940686
User avatar
Rawleigh
Senior Member
Posts: 3444
Joined: Jun 29th, '06, 08:30
Location: Irvington, VA

Re: Piece of wood with number

Post by Rawleigh »

No relation.
Rawleigh
1966 FBC 31
User avatar
Olivier
Standing Member
Posts: 40
Joined: Jun 23rd, '13, 07:18
Location: Puerto Princesa, Palawan, Philippines

Re: Piece of wood with number

Post by Olivier »

Thanks Rawleigh,
do you think it's possible to ask them
about my vessel ?
1972 BERTRAM 31 hull number NJZ594940686
User avatar
Bob H.
Senior Member
Posts: 1279
Joined: Jul 10th, '06, 19:49
Location: Rehoboth, Mass.
Contact:

Re: Piece of wood with number

Post by Bob H. »

Oliver, I did a title abstract through Boat Us prior to purchasing my 66 31. They gave me the owners history all the way back to original owner. The title search also helps to determine if any outstanding loans might be against your boat. BH
1966 31 Bahia Mar #316-512....8 years later..Resolute is now a reality..Builder to Boater..285 hours on the clocks..enjoying every minute..how many days till spring?
User avatar
TailhookTom
Senior Member
Posts: 985
Joined: Jul 3rd, '06, 14:12

Re: Piece of wood with number

Post by TailhookTom »

Bob:

Great point about chasing the title down -- recently I "resold" Tailhook -- even though I had sold her in 2007! Turns out the guy who bought her never registered her - not Federal documentation nor State registration. Long story short, a friend of mine did some work for the buyer (substantial work and not on the boat) and was owed money. The guy that bought the boat from me "gave" my friend my old boat for forgiveness of his debt. My old boat then sat for the past 6 years in storage on my friend's property. He decided (when his wife voluntold him) that he wasn't going to redo my old boat and went to put it up for sale. Well, he had no paperwork indicating he owned it, as the last legal ownership was in my name. He couldn't go back to the guy he got it from because he died 4 years ago. So, he and I got together, and fortunately, he had my last CT registration in the boat, so I "sold" it to him again.

Tom
Tony Meola
Senior Member
Posts: 7036
Joined: Jun 29th, '06, 21:24
Location: Hillsdale, New Jersey
Contact:

Re: Piece of wood with number

Post by Tony Meola »

Oliver

Here you go.

http://www.st.nmfs.noaa.gov/coast-guard-vessel-search/

Data found in historical database no longer in Documentation.



Vessel Name: DOLORES USCG Doc. No.: 544610
Vessel Service: COMMERCIAL FISHING VESSEL IMO Number: *
Trade Indicator: * Call Sign: *
Hull Material: * Hull Number: *
Ship Builder: * Year Built: *

Length (ft.): 28
Hailing Port: Hull Depth (ft.): *
Owner: Hull Breadth (ft.): *
Gross Tonnage: 10
Net Tonnage: 6
Documentation Issuance Date: * Documentation Expiration Date: *
Previous Vessel Names: No Vessel Name Changes Previous Vessel Owners:
MOLLENHAUER JAMES F
1975 FBC BERG1467-315
User avatar
Olivier
Standing Member
Posts: 40
Joined: Jun 23rd, '13, 07:18
Location: Puerto Princesa, Palawan, Philippines

Re: Piece of wood with number

Post by Olivier »

Thanks Tony for the information.
I don't know if it's the right one, mine is a 31 not a 28.
I will continue to search, I do not understand why it has no hull number starting with BER but starting with NJZ (NJZ59 49406 86). It's look like they gave a hull number in 1986, boat was built in 1972.
Best regards
Olivier
1972 BERTRAM 31 hull number NJZ594940686
User avatar
STraenkle
Senior Member
Posts: 230
Joined: Jun 30th, '06, 07:18

Re: Piece of wood with number

Post by STraenkle »

My Guess is, it was a 71 leftover hull, 1972 is when they started putting the hull numbers in the mold on the starboard stern. The NJZ59 49406 86 is, if like in MA, a VIN number created when the boat was registered. My guess would be in 1986, someone registered it in NJ after it had been a documented vessel.
Scott Traenkle
User avatar
Tommy
Senior Member
Posts: 1343
Joined: Jun 29th, '06, 13:36

Re: Piece of wood with number

Post by Tommy »

The two locations where most hull numbers appeared on the 31s prior to the requirement to stamp on starboard side of transom are: (1) inside the hull under the port V-berth, and (2) inside the transom midship below deck behind the rudder tie-rod gear.
User avatar
Olivier
Standing Member
Posts: 40
Joined: Jun 23rd, '13, 07:18
Location: Puerto Princesa, Palawan, Philippines

Re: Piece of wood with number

Post by Olivier »

Nothing on my hull, like you say maybe a 1971 !!!
1972 BERTRAM 31 hull number NJZ594940686
Tony Meola
Senior Member
Posts: 7036
Joined: Jun 29th, '06, 21:24
Location: Hillsdale, New Jersey
Contact:

Re: Piece of wood with number

Post by Tony Meola »

Tommy is right. Easiest place to look is under the deck on the stern. My 75 has the numbers their and on the hull, right corner of the transom.

72 was the year they started putting hte numbers on the hull.numbering

Here is some interesting information an if you go to the web page you will see how the numbers lay out. For some reasn they will not copy to this page.


http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/hin.htm


Hull ID Numbers

Play the Numbers Game (What's a HIN?)
Did you ever wonder what that strange series of letters and numbers on the transom of your boat are. Well, if you have taken the Nautical Know How course you know they are Hull Identification Numbers (HIN) and that they are required. But, what do they mean?

All boats manufactured or imported on or after November 1, 1972 must bear a HIN. The HIN is a 12 character serial number that uniquely identifies your boat. The HIN has an important safety purpose. It enables manufacturers to clearly identify for boat owners the boats that are involved in a defect notification and recall campaign. A HIN is not the same as a State registration number, which may be required to be displayed on the bow of your boat. The HIN is a Federal requirement; your boat’s registration number is a State requirement similar to the license plate on your car. The HIN, however, is required to be shown on the State certificate of registration.


AUG A
SEP B
OCT C
NOV D
DEC E
JAN F
FEB G
MAR H
APR I
MAY J
JUN K
JUL L
*Key to Month of Model Year

Figure 1 - HIN Formats Before August 1, 1984

The boat manufacturer must display two identical hull identification numbers, no less than one-fourth of an inch high, on each boat hull. The primary HIN must be permanently affixed (so that it can be seen from outside the boat) to the starboard side of the transom within two inches of the top of the transom, gunwale, or hull/deck joint, whichever is lowest. On boats without transoms or on boats on which it would be impractical to the transom, the HIN must be affixed to the starboard outboard side of the hull, aft within one foot of the stern and within two inches of the top of hull side, gunwale, or hull/deck joint, whichever is lowest. The starboard outboard side of the hull aft is the preferred HIN location for many manufacturers. On catamarans and pontoon boats the HIN must be affixed on the aft crossbeam within one foot of the starboard hull attachment.


JAN A
FEB B
MAR C
APR D
MAY E
JUN F
JUL G
AUG H
SEP I
OCT J
NOV K
DEC L

Figure 2 - HIN Format After August 1, 1984

Boats manufactured or imported on or after August 1, 1984, also have a duplicate secondary HIN affixed somewhere on an unexposed location inside the boat or beneath a fitting or item of hardware. The purpose is to help authorities identify your boat if a thief or vandals remove or damage the primary HIN on the transom. It is illegal for anyone (manufacturer, dealer, distributor, or owner) to alter or remove a HIN without the express written authorization of the Commandant, U.S. Coast Guard.

The regulations prescribe the format of the HIN. The first three characters are a MIC (Manufacturer Identification Code) assigned by the Coast Guard to the manufacturer or the person importing the boat; characters four through eight are a serial number assigned by the manufacturer; the last four characters indicate the month and year the boat was built, and the model year. Prior to August 1, 1984, the manufacturer had the option of expressing this in the form of a model year designation.

The Coast Guard maintains a searchable database of MICs if you want to check yours out - click here.

Individuals building boats for their own use and not for the purposes of sale are what are referred to as "backyard boat builders." They must obtain a 12 character HIN from their State boating agency. The Manufacturer Identification Code at the beginning of the HIN for a "home built" boat is an abbreviation for the State followed by a "Z" which indicates that it is a State identification.
1975 FBC BERG1467-315
User avatar
Olivier
Standing Member
Posts: 40
Joined: Jun 23rd, '13, 07:18
Location: Puerto Princesa, Palawan, Philippines

Re: Piece of wood with number

Post by Olivier »

Thank you for all this explanations, i will tell you if i found something.
Olivier
1972 BERTRAM 31 hull number NJZ594940686
Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: pschauss and 293 guests