Bermuda Project

jayjays1 · Post by **jayjays1** » Jan 30th, '24, 11:10

THE FIRST DAY!

https://imgur.com/a/zI72lfz

jayjays1 · Post by **jayjays1** » Jan 30th, '24, 11:21

I am still working out how to post images so sorry for a little redundancy!
JJ

jayjays1 · Post by **jayjays1** » Jan 30th, '24, 11:23

HERE WE GO!!

https://imgur.com/V882DII
https://imgur.com/OsIjhrf

Carl · Post by **Carl** » Jan 30th, '24, 12:05

What a difference a day can make...I cannot wait to see the last day!

My brand-new mufflers and hoses didn't look that new when I got them. They look like the item to circle, that does not fit the picture.

Keep 'm coming,
Carl

jayjays1 · Post by **jayjays1** » Jan 30th, '24, 12:18

Hey you are right. I will see what size they are as I will be putting in a 6 inch system. If they are only 5 inch can they still work for that?

franzmerenda · Post by **franzmerenda** » Jan 30th, '24, 12:33

Enjoy the journey!

Each time I suffer a stab pain due to credit card smoking, I tell myself: "it was worth it, it was worth it, it was worth it..."

...left engine raiser had better days...

Ironworker · Post by **Ironworker** » Jan 30th, '24, 18:20

Those pics bring back memories. Are you doing all the work yourself?

Bruce · Post by **Bruce** » Jan 30th, '24, 18:24

I've done so many 31's those pics give me nightmares today.

jayjays1 · Post by **jayjays1** » Jan 30th, '24, 20:31

Yup. Fun but... not really kinda thing!

jayjays1 · Post by **jayjays1** » Jan 30th, '24, 20:33

So I did my B25 myself when I was 22 years younger. It was a slog then so I am leaving this one to a local crew -but keeping a close eye on them!!

Tony Meola · Post by **Tony Meola** » Jan 30th, '24, 22:07

Jay Jay

They look like the 5 inchers in mine, but measure, since pictures make it difficult to determine size. I believe once you go above 270 HP in Cummins, you need to go to 6 inches.

Tony Meola · Post by **Tony Meola** » Jan 30th, '24, 22:35

Carl wrote: ↑Jan 30th, '24, 12:05 What a difference a day can make...I cannot wait to see the last day!

My brand-new mufflers and hoses didn't look that new when I got them. They look like the item to circle, that does not fit the picture.

Keep 'm coming,
Carl

Carl

That first picture reminds me of a certain someone (who will remain nameless) who posted a picture of his project that had a tree growing out of the bilge. I can still remember Capt. Pat's reaction.

Yannis · Post by **Yannis** » Jan 31st, '24, 02:12

Beat me with your rhythm stick, beat me....

Carl · Post by **Carl** » Jan 31st, '24, 07:12

Yannis wrote: ↑Jan 31st, '24, 02:12 Beat me with your rhythm stick, beat me....

umm...are you ok Yannis ???

jayjays1 · Post by **jayjays1** » Jan 31st, '24, 07:17

"Please sir may I have another!"

Carl · Post by **Carl** » Jan 31st, '24, 07:30

Tony Meola wrote: ↑Jan 30th, '24, 22:35 Carl

That first picture reminds me of a certain someone (who will remain nameless) who posted a picture of his project that had a tree growing out of the bilge. I can still remember Capt. Pat's reaction.

What was to be a Hatteras Express became a Hatteras planter called The Tub.

It's incredible how big a 31 can get when working on it. I'd hate to imagine something bigger with a larger scope of work, having limited time and budget. Ugh...a few times I thought about bringing flowers down and turning mine into a planter.

Gas motors and by the looks I'd say at best they are 5". Not enough for Cummins at the hp you were talking about. Cummins does not like back pressure.

Yannis · Post by **Yannis** » Jan 31st, '24, 08:03

Carl,

Im fine, I just saw the pic of this poor 31 and thought of the time and money to just bring her to an ok condition...

Haha, you remember the song, right?

Carl · Post by **Carl** » Jan 31st, '24, 12:06

Yannis wrote: ↑Jan 31st, '24, 08:03 Haha, you remember the song, right?

Not a lyric I recall Yannis...maybe we listen to different music.

Then again I am one to hear a song...like love or dislike I usually do not pay attention to the words.

Rickysa · Post by **Rickysa** » Jan 31st, '24, 12:28

Yannis, just heard that song yesterday!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WGVgfjnLqc

To JayJays...Congrats on the project!

jayjays1 · Post by **jayjays1** » Jan 31st, '24, 17:46

Guy's while I have your attention. I will be putting the Cabrera FG cockpit floor back in her but will be replacing the subfloor supports with Coosa. What do guys think the minimum thickness of Coosa is that I can get away with assuming I will be trying not to laminate most of it?

JJ

Tony Meola · Post by **Tony Meola** » Jan 31st, '24, 20:41

Carl wrote: ↑Jan 31st, '24, 07:30 What was to be a Hatteras Express became a Hatteras planter called The Tub.

It's incredible how big a 31 can get when working on it. I'd hate to imagine something bigger with a larger scope of work, having limited time and budget. Ugh...a few times I thought about bringing flowers down and turning mine into a planter.

Gas motors and by the looks I'd say at best they are 5". Not enough for Cummins at the hp you were talking about. Cummins does not like back pressure.

Swing and a miss. It was a 31.

Yannis · Post by **Yannis** » Jan 31st, '24, 23:07

Ricky,

Hit me, not beat me...you’re right!
But then again, it’s been what, 30, 40 years ago?
Phew...

1962 31 · Post by **1962 31** » Feb 1st, '24, 14:09

EASY THERE TONY HAHA

Snipe · Post by **Snipe** » Feb 1st, '24, 15:53

This is how I did my aft cockpit all coosa and 17/08.

jayjays1 · Post by **jayjays1** » Feb 1st, '24, 18:56

I see. What thickness Coosa did you use?

Snipe · Post by **Snipe** » Feb 1st, '24, 19:59

3/4in on everything the stringers for the deck are 2 pieces of 3/4 in with 17/08 on both sides.

Tony Meola · Post by **Tony Meola** » Feb 1st, '24, 21:33

1962 31 wrote: ↑Feb 1st, '24, 14:09 EASY THERE TONY HAHA

Brings back fond memories doesn't it?

Snipe · Post by **Snipe** » Feb 3rd, '24, 20:01

Yes it does bring back the memories!! All five years worth but worth every minute.

jayjays1 · Post by **jayjays1** » Feb 4th, '24, 08:46

Also, I checked where my rudders are and was surprised to see that they overhang the transom by a good couple of inches! I will be replacing with oversized from high tide and bringing them forward.
Bob Lico posted that the rake of the rudders changes bow attitude up and down. I think he said that trailing the lower edge aft a bit raised the bow and trailing it forward lowers the bow. First of al,l do I have this the right way round, and second how on earth does this work??

Could really use Bob's knowledge on this rebuild.

https://imgur.com/a/Lv3zMs7

JJ

franzmerenda · Post by **franzmerenda** » Feb 5th, '24, 02:40

jayjays1 wrote: ↑Jan 31st, '24, 17:46 Guy's while I have your attention. I will be putting the Cabrera FG cockpit floor back in her but will be replacing the subfloor supports with Coosa. What do guys think the minimum thickness of Coosa is that I can get away with assuming I will be trying not to laminate most of it?

JJ

I ordered 3/4", 1" and 1 1/4" boards of Bluewater 26, but we found that 1 1/4" is too thick, compared to boat bottom stringers.
Shipyard's Top Dog here, told me that everything thicker 3/4", is oversized as far as deck supporting structure; and he's aiming to screw laminated Coosa to stringers as it was with original plywood

Carl · Post by **Carl** » Feb 5th, '24, 10:28

jayjays1 wrote: ↑Feb 4th, '24, 08:46
Could really use Bob's knowledge on this rebuild.

What's good about this site is you have all his instructions in the old posts.

I do not recall talk of rudders affecting trim...maybe if bent outward they could lift or drag.

jayjays1 · Post by **jayjays1** » Feb 5th, '24, 17:27

Ok thanks guys much appreciated!

Tony Meola · Post by **Tony Meola** » Feb 5th, '24, 22:00

Those rudders look like they are in the right position. I don't think anyone would have moved them. You would probably be able to tell from the glass in the boat. If a repair was done or the rudders moved it probably will not match the factory glass.

jayjays1 · Post by **jayjays1** » Feb 6th, '24, 07:12

Yeah I don't think anyone moved them but they look to poke past the stern a couple inches. Isn't that bad ie aeration etc.? I Always thought that the whole of the rudder had to be under the hull to work properly?

JJ

Tony Meola · Post by **Tony Meola** » Feb 6th, '24, 21:59

I don't think that they are back far enough to cause an issue.

DanielM · Post by **DanielM** » Feb 6th, '24, 22:52

I’m with Tony I wouldn’t think those had been moved, but just for reference I have a stripped 1976 B31 Flybridge hull in my shop and I went by and measured the rudder flange tonight and that one was about 10 to 10.5 inches from the centerline of the rudder to the edge of the transom. The rudders are gone so I can’t speak to if they would overhang the transom. If that helps you any.

For comparison I also have a 1976 30’ Chris Craft Tournament Sportfish. it’s a similar hull to the B31 and the rudder centerline is about 7-8” from the transom on that boat. The original rudders were only long enough to reach the transom per the original Chris Craft design, but that seemed small to me so I had about 2.5” of plate welded to the bottom and trailing edge on those rudders when I redid the boat many years ago. So that 2.5 inches went past the transom and I didn’t recognize any negative effects, but I also had big trim tabs. The boat had a nice wake and steered well.

Some of the the Blackfin boats actually mount the rudder external to the boat, physically on the outside of the transom, so the entire rudder is behind the transom. I fished one of those once and don’t remember any issues.

Best of luck on your rebuild.

Yannis · Post by **Yannis** » Feb 7th, '24, 02:04

There is a 28 in my yard with rudders installed and completely hanging behind the transom.
I'll ask the guy what effect this has on boat performance and will come back.

jayjays1 · Post by **jayjays1** » Feb 7th, '24, 08:24

Thanks guys. Very helpful as always.
JJ

Barnaby · Post by **Barnaby** » Feb 14th, '24, 10:22

jayjays1 wrote: ↑Jan 31st, '24, 17:46 Guy's while I have your attention. I will be putting the Cabrera FG cockpit floor back in her but will be replacing the subfloor supports with Coosa. What do guys think the minimum thickness of Coosa is that I can get away with assuming I will be trying not to laminate most of it?

JJ

Hey I just replaced all my sub floor with coosa I used 3/4 around the edges and then laminated two 3/4 strips together to make the two middle beams.
definitely nice and strong

jayjays1 · Post by **jayjays1** » Mar 14th, '24, 08:44

Update on Bermuda Project! Flybridge off and boat now stripped! Started putting in the Coosa but they were doing it wrong unfortunately!

https://imgur.com/kK4q5Hh
https://imgur.com/53eDg39
https://imgur.com/siOz9Sy

Carl · Post by **Carl** » Mar 14th, '24, 14:22

Hey...what happened to the boat, it's all gone!

It does look better, although not much left there to look bad. lol

jayjays1 · Post by **jayjays1** » Mar 14th, '24, 16:41

Hey Ya, I like a clean slate. Gonna leave her as a Sedan. Gonna be sweet!!

franzmerenda · Post by **franzmerenda** » Mar 16th, '24, 05:10

jayjays1 wrote: ↑Mar 14th, '24, 08:44 Update on Bermuda Project! Flybridge off and boat now stripped! Started putting in the Coosa but they were doing it wrong unfortunately!

https://imgur.com/kK4q5Hh
https://imgur.com/53eDg39
https://imgur.com/siOz9Sy

This dream place alone is worth the project

jayjays1 · Post by **jayjays1** » Mar 16th, '24, 11:58

Thanks Fran. Only issue in Bermuda is that there isn't the large pool of knowledge on certain aspects of things.
JJ