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Fuel issue ? Cummings 4BTA3.9M250

Posted: Mar 31st, '15, 22:56
by Keith Poe
Been sitting for months

Primed it and seems to hold prim but cracking injectors on the running motor or the not running motor no fuel comes out.

Filters and lines are full.


Starting fluid third try kicked a little.

Fuel pump ?

Pressure gage where to connect ?

Fuel return line any help crack it under starting ?

Checked all the power seems good.


Thanks Guys

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Re: Fuel issue ? Cummings 4BTA3.9M250

Posted: Mar 31st, '15, 23:35
by Navatech
How did you prime the engine?!... What type of transfer pump do you have?!... Diaphragm or piston type?!... Have you checked your oil?!... Does it smell of diesel and is it "thinner" then it should be?!...

PM me your email address and I'll email you section 5 (fuel system) of the trouble shooting & repair manual...

Re: Fuel issue ? Cummings 4BTA3.9M250

Posted: Apr 1st, '15, 01:10
by Keith Poe
Thank you for the help.


Oil is good.

It gas a pump on it for priming.

Sharktagger777@Gmail.com

Re: Fuel issue ? Cummings 4BTA3.9M250

Posted: Apr 1st, '15, 07:47
by Rawleigh
Frankly it shouldn't have to be primed unless the system opened.

Re: Fuel issue ? Cummings 4BTA3.9M250

Posted: Apr 1st, '15, 07:50
by Navatech
Keith Poe wrote:Thank you for the help.
Always welcome...
Keith Poe wrote:It gas a pump on it for priming.
Sounds like you may have the Bosch injection pump... That one has a small priming pump on it...
Keith Poe wrote:Sharktagger777@Gmail.com
Manual on the way... 3 emails due to size... They're from boat diesel.com... Consider a membership there...

Re: Fuel issue ? Cummings 4BTA3.9M250

Posted: Apr 1st, '15, 08:45
by Navatech
Rawleigh wrote:Frankly it shouldn't have to be primed unless the system opened.
That is, of course, a correct observation...

Re: Fuel issue ? Cummings 4BTA3.9M250

Posted: Apr 1st, '15, 09:06
by mike ohlstein
Algee?

Re: Fuel issue ? Cummings 4BTA3.9M250

Posted: Apr 1st, '15, 21:00
by Tony Meola
Keith

Make sure the pick up tube is good. It might be clogged at the bottom.

Re: Fuel issue ? Cummings 4BTA3.9M250

Posted: Apr 1st, '15, 22:49
by IRGuy
Keith...

Do your 4BTs have integral air preheaters.. as my 6BT does? If so.. Do not use ether starting fluids!

Re: Fuel issue ? Cummings 4BTA3.9M250

Posted: Apr 1st, '15, 23:15
by Keith Poe
I don't know if they do or not but it's above 60 degrees here and I leave the key on for several minutes before spriaying

Re: Fuel issue ? Cummings 4BTA3.9M250

Posted: Apr 1st, '15, 23:15
by Keith Poe
I believe I know what the problem is hard to post with this phone I'll reply tomorrow

Re: Fuel issue ? Cummings 4BTA3.9M250

Posted: Apr 1st, '15, 23:17
by Keith Poe
12' MAKO Hand Line: https://youtu.be/6-CM0jyNtTE

Re: Fuel issue ? Cummings 4BTA3.9M250

Posted: Apr 2nd, '15, 00:27
by Navatech
Keith Poe wrote:I believe I know what the problem is hard to post with this phone I'll reply tomorrow
Please do... Might help...

Re: Fuel issue ? Cummings 4BTA3.9M250

Posted: Apr 2nd, '15, 21:23
by Tony Meola
Keith

I hope you have a lot of life insurance without a Shark exclusion

Re: Fuel issue ? Cummings 4BTA3.9M250

Posted: Apr 2nd, '15, 22:10
by Keith Poe
https://youtu.be/ZMErtUaWgpc

BIG MAKO 100# of Drag


When I put her away months ago she was running great.

I put the starting fluid to her and she seems like she wants to run black smoke out the exhaust.

Thanks again for any help guys

Re: Fuel issue ? Cummings 4BTA3.9M250

Posted: Apr 2nd, '15, 22:20
by Keith Poe
4500# Still tracking her from 32 months ago

Tagged her in a 19' Davidson Albie

Also ran 5 Basking sharks last season in the 30' Class


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Re: Fuel issue ? Cummings 4BTA3.9M250

Posted: Apr 3rd, '15, 20:06
by Pete Fallon
Keith,
With all the high temps you have been having out there, I would make sure you don't have algae blocking the lines, eithet that or you have lost the prime in the fuel system also check to see if the fuel vent is clear, no hornets nests in the line.
Pete Fallon

Re: Fuel issue ? Cummings 4BTA3.9M250

Posted: Apr 3rd, '15, 20:43
by Keith Poe
Hey Petes I've been dipping the tank and I've inspected it I don't see any algae

Re: Fuel issue ? Cummings 4BTA3.9M250

Posted: Apr 3rd, '15, 20:44
by Keith Poe
The starboard motor fires right up runs like a top

Re: Fuel issue ? Cummings 4BTA3.9M250

Posted: Apr 3rd, '15, 20:45
by Keith Poe
Thanks for your help. What about the black smoke coming out the exhaust that would indicate the fuel is combusted but it seems it doesn't want to stay running possible electric

Re: Fuel issue ? Cummings 4BTA3.9M250

Posted: Apr 3rd, '15, 20:48
by Keith Poe
Now the part I haven't told anyone yet big ass mako destroy the air vent

Re: Fuel issue ? Cummings 4BTA3.9M250

Posted: Apr 3rd, '15, 20:49
by Keith Poe
Rag I had stuffed in there came out and I didn't know it salted the motor

Re: Fuel issue ? Cummings 4BTA3.9M250

Posted: Apr 3rd, '15, 20:51
by Keith Poe
Burnt up a wiring harness

I repaired it to make it in

Other than that ran fine I'm assuming the salt screwed something else up so far everything I check has power function

Re: Fuel issue ? Cummings 4BTA3.9M250

Posted: Apr 3rd, '15, 20:52
by Keith Poe
Sorry for all the post if I write more than a few lines on the phone it starts to scramble everything

Re: Fuel issue ? Cummings 4BTA3.9M250

Posted: Apr 3rd, '15, 23:18
by Navatech
I'm not sure electrics are your problem... IIRC these are old school non electronic diesels... You only need electrics to start the engine (i.e. turn the starter)... You MIGHT have one that has an electric lift pump... IF electrics are your problem and you have one of those that might be the place to look at...

Having said that, and assuming my recollection is correct, I would still redo the wiring... There shouldn't be that many wires... If my recollection is bad and this is an "electronic" diesel I'd definitely go for a new (or used but known to be good) harness...

The fact that you're getting the right voltage doesn't mean you're getting the right amps... A partially busted wire will still carry the right voltage but won't be able to supply the right amps...

Re: Fuel issue ? Cummings 4BTA3.9M250

Posted: Apr 3rd, '15, 23:21
by Keith Poe
Thank You

Re: Fuel issue ? Cummings 4BTA3.9M250

Posted: Apr 7th, '15, 17:26
by Keith Poe
Got It Going after checking the injectors and everything lift pump etc. found it did not want to suck air lifted the valve covers and one was stuck after 164 days sitting.

Started instantly.

Thanks again for all the help guys.

Re: Fuel issue ? Cummings 4BTA3.9M250

Posted: Apr 7th, '15, 17:29
by Keith Poe
Going to trailer it down to the launch ramp tonight after the wide load curfew slap the spurs on and let her breath.