Anybody hear of Yannies that come back from the dead?

[Carl]

I have been saying no to many calls from people "keeping an eye out" for me in regards to Diesels I could use for the boat.

Many are from boats that went down, salvaged and mechanics pickled motors. I have just been saying no...figuring aside from a block they are worthless to me. But they are being bought...and pretty quickly. A pair of 4cyls, an older 6cyl plus a few single 4cyls.

All have been Yanmars...not sure why that is or has any relevance...just thinking...anyway last pair of 6cyl were pretty new...we made shafts about a year ago for the diesel conversion, new motors. Boat was under about a week, raised, motors pulled, flushed oil, changed out and motors were started, oil flushed again...not sure how long they ran. Owner bought motors from insurance company with intention to use, but now decided to buy a whole new boat with insurance money and motor will most likely be available. Normally I'd run...but the mechanic I know says he had them running and could be had for a couple new shafts down the road, he just wants to recoup money for pickling and salvage...I said maybe...not sure why. ...

Maybe if they were older, all mechanical motors and I had time to strip down and go over everything...but Yanmars...they have lots of electronics to go bad...No?

Panel, starter and alternator I know for sure are toast...but what else will need work...what won't?


Anyone ever put a submerged motor back in service with good results? Or 1st hand knowledge of one that did...good bad or indifferent.

[Tony Meola]

Carl

I can't speak for the condition of the engines, and those with more experience will chime in, but I think parts for them, compared to Cummins are not cheap. I know a guy in my yard was complaining to me about the price of oil filters being north of $60. When I told him I just got filters for 9 bucks a pop he about died.

[Bruce]

Carl,
Don't buy em.
being under a week is 1st issue.

You cant properly flush engines that have been under unless they are run, heated up multiple times to operating temp to boil off trapped moisture and flushed multiple times. Lite running and changing oil twice will in no way shape or form displace moisture.

If anything a tear down for rebuild would be the only consideration and payment would be decided upon tear down inspection..

All you need is one crank journal, one cam journal get a slight bit of corrosion and your bearing is toast and failure imminent.

[Carl]

Thank you Bruce!
Not what I wanted to hear...but really needed to hear.

Carl

[bob lico]

Or---------you can play tuff guy "I give you 3 grand " for the yammie that's one thousand over core price. Take it or leave it 135,000 boats destroy they are not exactly sitting with upper hand.forget the fact that they were submerge . take the engine completely down and hot tank (after removing freeze out plug) built it from scratch they were surmerge Not Running so you are far better off then a high hour pistons locked up disaster, or broken crank grenaded mess or broken cam drive belt .make sure they turn over nicely take them for a total rebuilt low hour surmerge definitely reuse block ,crank,rods,cam.i will give you the address of the injection pump people.waste gate,turbo,after cooler all on Long Island. Piece of cake when you sent each piece to a specialist.both engines to perfection for far less then one new ones.ok you are not Carl (sim) then take engines to Mack boring , N.J. For total rebuilt.cummins are a total differant story parts are like small block chevy . Atlantic has every single part in stock at your door in 24 hours or pick up directly

[Capt.Frank]

Carl,
Here is a better deal. Don't know anything about them. They are not far from me. The number is our Cummings dealer Just Right rebuilder Jimmy

http://eastnc.craigslist.org/bod/3600648090.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[In Memory Walter K]

I can't say enough about the 210's. Simple, economical, inexpensive parts (when and if you need them). Cruise @ 21-22 kph. Use 7 gph per hour per engine, if not less. Had mine since new and now have over 2000 hrs on them. Love them.

[PeterPalmieri]

15k for those motors seems pricey, is that close to what the going rate would be?

[bob lico]

Pete that is the right price with gears and troll valve low hours.you would want 2004 or newer!!!! t that price.

[Capt.Frank]

Peter,
I had to put in a remain engine in two years ago CAT 3208 NA. I pulled the engine, swapped risers, wire harness, water pumps, and Alt. The remain engine was $11,000 when all said and done. I would have swapped out if I could of found a deal like this then. Then sold my other engine. All you need is gauges and wire harness. I don'y know if they are included. Plus with 210 hp you can use 1 3/8" shafts.

[bob lico]

Pete I would like to see 600 hours or less.as you might expect in the north some people think they have a "Trump" starter kit that is they have been paid 75,000 for a 50,000 boat now they try to capitalize by buying back from insurance company and sell the surmerge engines.my answer " I will give you 2 grand for both And i remove . now that the insurance company is no longer paying storage I will be back and you pay me 500 to take away!,

[PeterPalmieri]

What is special about 2004 forward?

[bob lico]

Diamond series started 2004 half year totally changed the cummins 6bta to trouble free technology. Block,pistons,rods, cam,exhaust manifold,turbo (larger oil supply line) serpentine belt components,injector are smaller leaving more "meat " around head for cooling, after cooler totally revamped,and most important cummins went to the world's best ;Bosch for fuel injection pump. After cooler made in England,injection pump Germany everything else made in USA buy American labor .

[In Memory Walter K]

The 210's turbo is not aftercooled. Much simpler engine even pre 2004.

[bob lico]

I never said it was just using 6bta in general .the a stands for after cooled As in 270,330, and 370 hp. 220 or in present years 230hp is called 6bt. This engine was the main reason for CMI. To gain world domination ,as you might imagine very difficult today. Back in 2004 both china and Australia set to mine huge parts of there country trouble was no electricity and and a need for excavating ,mining equipment all power by small Diesel engine.the race was on and CMI became a American success story like P&G with tide and household products. Yammie was all but eliminated in both china and Australia those gen sets in the outback run continually for 100,000 hours plus keeping both the electric on and the water out of the mines.needless to say those holding CMI stock seen there share value triple in recent years. CMI will now led the world with natural gas/ LPG engines.