Top 50 Boats?

John Brownlee · Post by **John Brownlee** » Dec 13th, '12, 12:07

Hi guys,

At the Ft. Lauderdale Boat Show, a group of us got into an after dinner conversation about the best boats in history. It was pretty interesting and a vigorous debate, and it inspired me to poll our staff and a large group of our contributors to get their thoughts on the subject. We pulled all of that information together and came up with this list. I thought you might find it interesting, although I'm pretty sure what boat tops that list in your minds!

I hope you enjoy it and Happy Holidays to everyone.

JB

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CaptPatrick · Post by **CaptPatrick** » Dec 13th, '12, 12:58

John,

Thanks!

I don't think anyone here will mind bowing to the 43’ Merritt, but being a step below the SeaCraft 20??? Don't think so... And the Ocean Yacht 40 within the top 50 list? The original OY 48SS maybe, but that's even a strech. An outboard Catameran? Forget it! And what about Sonny Hines' Hines/Farley? Not even on the list??

Bertramp · Post by **Bertramp** » Dec 13th, '12, 13:29

no 41 Hatteras ..... the boat that started the company ??
The 13 whaler, 31 Bertram and 41 Hatteras are in my mind the greats, because they started three of the easliy arguable best boat companies ever ... and no matter how old, folks still want 'em !!

PeterPalmieri · Post by **PeterPalmieri** » Dec 13th, '12, 16:12

Who doesn't want to be #1.

Once I get past that I'd be happy to own a 37' or 43' Merritt, 40' gamefisherman or 34' Rybovich

4 or 5 times it was mentioned that the other boat was almost as good as a 31' Bertram

buzzk · Post by **buzzk** » Dec 13th, '12, 16:47

Steve, I'm with you on the 41 Hatteras. As you said 13 Whaler, 41 Hatteras and 31 Bertram they made the name for some boat companies.

Hueso · Post by **Hueso** » Dec 13th, '12, 17:10

Guys, remember is best "fishing" boat.

I'm with Capt. Pat, what is an Ocean Yacht doing in that list! and a SeaCraft on top of the B31? No way!

John Brownlee · Post by **John Brownlee** » Dec 13th, '12, 17:49

I was surprised so many of our guys voted the 20 SeaCraft so highly too, but you have to remember that it was a hugely influential boat, and a lot more people could afford them than 31 Bertrams.

John Brownlee · Post by **John Brownlee** » Dec 13th, '12, 17:56

CaptPatrick wrote: The original OY 48SS maybe, but that's even a strech. An outboard Catameran? Forget it! And what about Sonny Hines' Hines/Farley? Not even on the list??

You're right about the Hines/Farley, maybe the nicest boat ever. A lot of readers are lighting us up for leaving out the 44 Garlington too, another classic.

JP Dalik · Post by **JP Dalik** » Dec 13th, '12, 18:28

340 Luhrs? Yikes

Bob H. · Post by **Bob H.** » Dec 13th, '12, 20:00

61 Garlington...43 Merritt..31 Bertram...My top three

Tony Meola · Post by **Tony Meola** » Dec 13th, '12, 22:05

John

Like everyone said.

John you really have to get that staff out more, or maybe shake them up. The 20 Sea Craft before the 31, and then what was not considered.

Several years ago Marlin Magazine put the 31 in the top ten of all sport fishing boats. There was no Sea Craft in that list I can asssure you of that.

John Brownlee · Post by **John Brownlee** » Dec 13th, '12, 22:11

Tony Meola wrote:Several years ago Marlin Magazine put the 31 in the top ten of all sport fishing boats. There was no Sea Craft in that list I can asssure you of that.

I hear you, but Marlin is a totally offshore focused magazine, we cover everything. Marlin covers no center consoles or outboard powered boats at all.

John Brownlee · Post by **John Brownlee** » Dec 13th, '12, 22:12

JP Dalik wrote:340 Luhrs? Yikes

JP: I agree, but votes are votes.

Brewster Minton · Post by **Brewster Minton** » Dec 13th, '12, 22:27

Every time I get to 15 it locks up.

Buju · Post by **Buju** » Dec 14th, '12, 05:57

Pretty good list... some of them though- not so sure they should be in there.
Like the Hydrasports, based on that it's the first kevlar hull??? My 1978 Sidewinder flats skiff has a 100% kevlar hull layup, beat the Hydrasports by 2 years.
I feel like the B28 Hyena is being shafted, based on the sales of it alone...
I do like that the Seacraft 20 you used for the picture (Stancyzk's), is a boat that I personally rebuilt and restored during my time at Islamarine. A lot of work went into that hull, and sweat, and blood...

John Brownlee · Post by **John Brownlee** » Dec 14th, '12, 08:21

Buju wrote:I do like that the Seacraft 20 you used for the picture (Stancyzk's), is a boat that I personally rebuilt and restored during my time at Islamarine. A lot of work went into that hull, and sweat, and blood...

I didn't know you worked at IslaMarine. Tom has my Yellowfin bay boat there right now doing some work on it. They do awesome work there, and Ricky's SeaCraft is one sweet restoration for sure.

Carl · Post by **Carl** » Dec 14th, '12, 08:35

That's the problem with subjective votes...people have to have experiences with' em to vote on them.
I am thinking Affordability and Wife Friendly put a couple boats on that list.

John,
Wanna know why your job is safe from me taking your job as editor.

Aside from the fact that I ramble, don't always fact check, spelling is horrible, grammar atrocious, love to use "..." where ever I can.

...as editor, I would have given an additional vote every time "like the 31 Bertram" was referenced in the description, then recounted...if the 31 was not on top just yet...I'd make a few calls to random, non partial boat owners....from...oh, how about the membership list on this forum.

LOL, great list, enjoyed the read.
Thanks,
Carl

PeterPalmieri · Post by **PeterPalmieri** » Dec 14th, '12, 08:43

John again fun list as Brew said a bit quirky. Also have trouble on your site with that format T1 windows at work, I phone or iPad, Mac at home and laptop. Not just this list but past articles in the format. Just figured I'd mention.

Some thing that surprised me.

No bass boats like 24 Crosby, 26 fortier or 29 dyer.

No willy flats boat

No pilot house like privateer, Parker or Steiger.

No sea skiff Chris craft, Bayhead etc

No down east 31 JC, 35 Duffy, wilbur, Ellis, BHM or holland 32

When I think rybovich or Merritt I also include whiticar in that conversation.

If I was to put a luhrs on the list it would have been the 32 tournament.

I am surprised at the 29 Phoenix and the Ocean. I would have certainly put the 33 egg harbor ahead of either of those.

No representation of the walk around express like 33 L&H or 35 scoponich.

What surprises me the most is henriques is not to be found on the list.

Not criticizing its just a fun debate, I hope this debate lasts a long time.

bob lico · Post by **bob lico** » Dec 14th, '12, 09:31

You guys missed the big one! I agree with all of you on the missing Garlington,Haterass but what stands out to me is the Slampage. ( rampage) . Has to be one of the worst fishing boats ever made. Case in point the huge brokerage here on Long Island with give you minus 1300 for a trade in 500.00 for dumpster fee and the rest for removing petroleum ,engines.here on Long Island we cannot just tow it to the offshore reef and scuttle it multiple permits and paper work. When the 31 slam page comes in they normally weight around 17,000 lbs or so after soaking in all that water in the balsa core. Total idiot vote along with the ocean if he wants one come to oak dale Yacth and can take this piece of sh -t out of here .i drove to offshore grounds three years ago ,the boat was out of control in 3 to 4 ' seas I kiss the ground when I got home.what moron would put a ocean on the list compare to a downeasterner

John Brownlee · Post by **John Brownlee** » Dec 14th, '12, 09:54

It seems like the guys who voted were swayed by one of several criteria; either boats were worthy of mention because they had become famous through great accomplishments on the fishing grounds (Merritt, G&S, etc.), or they were included because they were an original design (Whaler Nauset, Aquasport 22, etc.) or they simply sold a ton of them (Oceans), OR, they were an influential and enduring design (31 Bertram).

PeterPalmieri · Post by **PeterPalmieri** » Dec 14th, '12, 10:02

John Brownlee wrote:It seems like the guys who voted were swayed by one of several criteria; either boats were worthy of mention because they had become famous through great accomplishments on the fishing grounds (Merritt, G&S, etc.), or they were included because they were an original design (Whaler Nauset, Aquasport 22, etc.) or they simply sold a ton of them (Oceans), OR, they were an influential and enduring design (31 Bertram).

John the alternate conclusion that they are all idiots and morons was much funnier.

PeterPalmieri · Post by **PeterPalmieri** » Dec 14th, '12, 10:10

Also noticed the newer tarpon boats like Gause, Shaeffer, didn't make it on the list

You could also make a strong argument to put a panga on the list or a carolina skiff

Charlie J · Post by **Charlie J** » Dec 14th, '12, 10:21

we came in 3rd, were going to have to try harder

mike ohlstein · Post by **mike ohlstein** » Dec 14th, '12, 10:54

I get the feeling that none of those guys have ever been north of the Carolinas.

And I agree on the Rampage thing, they were terrible boats. Simply based on the 'sold a ton of them' criteria, I would have listed my old Lowe 12' aluminum Jon boat pretty close to the top. Just a guess here, but I'm thinking that there are a lot more fresh water fisherman in this country then there are salt water fisherman.....

PeterPalmieri · Post by **PeterPalmieri** » Dec 14th, '12, 11:24

I've created my own list of current in production boats, it's more of my fleet list I've slaved over before I realized I wasn't holding the winning lotto ticket.

East Cape Gladesman
Hells Bay Marquesa
Jones Brothers Cape Fisherman 20
Gause 26
Contender 23T
Sea Vee 32 Inboard
Henriques 42 Charter

And who wouldn't include the 130' Gamefisherman Explorer Mothership with a 46' Day Boat or various combinations of the above list for extended weekends.

If your gonna dream, dream big!

Hyena Love · Post by **Hyena Love** » Dec 14th, '12, 15:43

Phoenix 29, but no Bert 28?

No Bert 25?

John Brownlee · Post by **John Brownlee** » Dec 14th, '12, 17:16

Personally, I thought the 37 bertram should be on there, since I own one of course.

Charlie J · Post by **Charlie J** » Dec 14th, '12, 17:46

another boat is the runaway dont think to many were made.
therse 2 in my area

Bob H. · Post by **Bob H.** » Dec 14th, '12, 20:46

John, I agree on the 37 Bertram, bit partial as well, my dad has a 87, NEVER let us down, not a rocket but very well built. Charlie Runaways make a great express..Too many boats, just not fair to all the great builders out there, Mann, Scarborough, Whiticar, Omie Tillett, Hines Farley, Brownell (northeast farmer turned boat builder), L&H, Knowles, Conch, Henriques, F&S, G&S, Resmondo(Alabama Battleship),Jim Smith, Tribute, Monterey, American Custom Marine, Rybovich, sales #s alone should not get you on the list...Slampage...Ha, Ha..knew a guy who ran one, 6' tall when he bought it 5'6" when he sold it ,along with bruised liver n kidneys. BH

bob lico · Post by **bob lico** » Dec 14th, '12, 21:33

Yea bob how can I forget Jim smith,Hines Farley ,a true work of art.how in Gods name to you put this in the same sentence as 34' luhr's 's " let ' s sea which way the bow will go as welcome down the back side of a a wave port or starboard or perhaps bury the bow." Like I said morons whom have spent there life in there cute Columbia sport ware chasing marlin in ideal water condition a modern day Marie antionette .

Tony Meola · Post by **Tony Meola** » Dec 14th, '12, 21:47

Guys we keep this up John will never come back.

I think we should storm the halls of SaltWater Sportsman.

PeterPalmieri · Post by **PeterPalmieri** » Dec 15th, '12, 07:50

bob lico wrote:Like I said morons whom have spent there life in there cute Columbia sport ware chasing marlin in ideal water condition a modern day Marie antionette .

I want to quit my job and become a moron!

Buju · Post by **Buju** » Dec 15th, '12, 08:50

John Brownlee wrote: I didn't know you worked at IslaMarine. Tom has my Yellowfin bay boat there right now doing some work on it. They do awesome work there, and Ricky's SeaCraft is one sweet restoration for sure.

Thanks John, I'm proud of the work I did on it.
Yeah, I worked at Islamarine for 3 or 4 months, almost a year back now. Ended up not working out, partially because of things out of my control, and some things I could have done quicker... more efficiently, etc.
Either way, it was a great experience and I learned a lot, and I'm still good friends with Tom and Brian, I stop in regularly.
Now I'm back to painting big ol oceanfront estates, and the like... and rebuilding boats on an amateur level at my own pace... such is life.
Tell Tom that Mark says Hi next time you stop in....

Back to the list... Maverick Mirage. Hmmmmm.
Maverick was putting out their "Berg boat" (now known as the Master Angler) when Scott Deal got whupped in a tourney by Steve Huff in a newer Dolphin design based on a Banana River skiff. This Dolphin would go on to be the Dolphin Super SKiff, and Maverick emulated and imitated it very closely with their Mirage. So, therefore, I'd respectfully say the Dolphin Superskiff should reside in that spot. But I do understand that the Mirage went on to be wildly popular in the tech. skiff arena, but the Superskiff was no slouch either- and still is a great skiff today- If Dolphin could get their act together that is.

John Brownlee · Post by **John Brownlee** » Dec 15th, '12, 09:04

bob lico wrote: morons whom have spent there life in there cute Columbia sport ware chasing marlin in ideal water condition a modern day Marie antionette .

Bob, you need to cut down on the caffeine.

Brewster Minton · Post by **Brewster Minton** » Dec 15th, '12, 09:05

The Dolphin Super Skiff for sure. I have one. The 26 Mako did not make it?

John Brownlee · Post by **John Brownlee** » Dec 15th, '12, 09:34

The Dolphin was a great skiff, but the Maverick took shallow water fishing to a whole new, national level. Almost no one outside of South Florida and the Bahamas had ever heard of Dolphin, and that's still true, really. That's part of the problem with a list like this one, there are many great regional boats, but they have no recognition outside a small area. To be considered an all-time great boat, they really have to be known across a wide spectrum of fishermen. At least, we thought so. Remember, this is a totally subjective undertaking, pure opinion. One of the best boats I ever owned was a 28-foot Whitewater. Great boat, but very South Florida oriented. Norman Collins is a factory direct builder that most people have never heard of, but they build great boats.

John Brownlee · Post by **John Brownlee** » Dec 15th, '12, 09:46

Brewster Minton wrote:The 26 Mako did not make it?

I owned two different Mako 261s over the years, great boats.

Many different Makos were nominated, but in the end, we felt the 25 was more influential. It was the first big offshore center console from a major builder and was a game changer when it came out in 1975.

my other east · Post by **my other east** » Dec 15th, '12, 11:04

I owned two different Mako 261s over the years, great boats.

[ Many different Makos were nominated, but in the end, we felt the 25 was more influential. It was the first big offshore center console from a major builder and was a game changer when it came out in 1975.[/quote]

and the funaments made them even better.

eric vincent

John Brownlee · Post by **John Brownlee** » Dec 15th, '12, 18:02

Eric,

Good to hear from you! It's been a long time. How've you been?

JB

IRGuy · Post by **IRGuy** » Dec 15th, '12, 19:36

I think John shows he is a very brave man when he posts a list of "The 50 Best Boats".. knowing that virtually no one in the boating community will ever agree even close to 100% with him. It is sort of like posting a list of the 50 best automobiles.. and including Dodge Vipers along with Yugos.

What I personally would like to see is the 50 (or maybe even 5-20) best flats boats, center consoles under 25', over 25'.. best sportfish under 35', over 35'.. best go fast boat.. best cruiser.. etc, etc, etc.

Every boat is a compromise, as is every marriage. We each have our personal expectations and requirements of them. I have owned half a dozen boats, but have been married to the same woman for 35 years. At least I get something right on occasion!

my other east · Post by **my other east** » Dec 16th, '12, 07:24

John,

we're all doing good. my son and mom leave for TSL this friday, so i'm just trying to get everything together for them.

eric

Charlie J · Post by **Charlie J** » Dec 16th, '12, 08:34

lets no forget the 38 special

John Brownlee · Post by **John Brownlee** » Dec 16th, '12, 10:00

The 38 Special was a cool boat but ultimately a marketplace failure for Bertram, too expensive. I remember being at the 1986 Miami Boat Show and they were handing out fake bullets to commemorate the boat's debut. Imagine trying to do that these days.

Eric, I ran into Margot at TSL a few years ago. I was geting off the plane and she was geting on, but we got to visit briefly.

Charlie J · Post by **Charlie J** » Dec 16th, '12, 10:35

yes john
not to many around

Bertramp · Post by **Bertramp** » Dec 17th, '12, 08:34

In many cases, boats are very regional. I had never heard of or seen a SeaVee until I spent time in Florida. Folks in Florida say they are great boats, still never been on one.
I had one of those 38 Special bullets, wish i could find it now.

ed c. · Post by **ed c.** » Dec 17th, '12, 13:52

I see that my son's boat made the list, a 23.3 Formula with twin 130 inboards. I fished on it this past Sat., great sea boat and very efficient. He did a complete makeover.

John Brownlee · Post by **John Brownlee** » Dec 17th, '12, 16:33

The 23 Formula was a very influential boat. Nick Smith, the Palm Beach (now Pacific flyfishing) sailfish ace owned several of them a few years back and was meticulously restoring them to the point of blueprinting.

gplume · Post by **gplume** » Dec 17th, '12, 20:46

How about #4. Complete with "hood ornament". I'm partial to whalers....they can take a beating ( so do the passengers from the ride). Glad to see the sea craft 23 there...only boat I've ever been way offshore in ( by chance not by design).

With you guys on the 37 bert...lots of other classics missing.

John Brownlee · Post by **John Brownlee** » Dec 17th, '12, 22:02

There's an old joke about owners of the old Whalers:

"How do you recognize the Whaler owner in the shower? He's the one whose balls hang down to his knees."

Todd Pearce · Post by **Todd Pearce** » Dec 19th, '12, 04:51

I love the banter,you guys are truely passionate,what is the story behind the ''Rose Brothers'' boats,I am sure someome among you can fill me in?, are they good ? bad? ugley? some seem to sell quite cheap? are they just that ,cheap? or are they a well built ,all be it old boat with good bones????