while at it 2
Moderators: CaptPatrick, mike ohlstein, Bruce
- Gert van Leest
- Senior Member
- Posts: 314
- Joined: Jan 17th, '11, 16:30
- Location: Warmond, NL
- Contact:
while at it 2
Waiting for the ordered rubrail ,...
Decided to put 1 more layer of paint on her , nice and shiney brush job !!
Polished the bird and the ss pulpit one more time..
Instaled RC led strips below the gunwhale.
Took of all the chrome work for a redo.
Ordered all new VDO black gauges wit chrome trim.
Running out of jobs...any sugestions guys ???
Decided to put 1 more layer of paint on her , nice and shiney brush job !!
Polished the bird and the ss pulpit one more time..
Instaled RC led strips below the gunwhale.
Took of all the chrome work for a redo.
Ordered all new VDO black gauges wit chrome trim.
Running out of jobs...any sugestions guys ???
Women are like boats ,the older they get , the more money and professional help they need to look beautiful.
- Russ Pagels
- Senior Member
- Posts: 513
- Joined: Jun 29th, '06, 18:17
- Location: NC
- In Memory Walter K
- Senior Member
- Posts: 2912
- Joined: Jun 30th, '06, 21:25
- Location: East Hampton LI, NY
- Contact:
- Gert van Leest
- Senior Member
- Posts: 314
- Joined: Jan 17th, '11, 16:30
- Location: Warmond, NL
- Contact:
Hi Walher,
indeed it is and I can say it looks better than most spray coats.
I have 3 painters working for me that learned it the traditional way and the guys are the best !!
Its AWL grip with 7.5 % reducer and a couple of belt sanded brushes that do the trick...( and of course the brush manager !)
Yesterday evening I took out the high pressure wash and blasted the sealings , floors and boat , painted this morning ,11 degrees centigrade in the shed after 5 hours after the paintjob put on the heathers till 20 degrees and now she is looking like that.
The reason we are doing it like that is that we have very strict laws for spraypanting in Holland.
You should see the guys bright work !!
Gert
indeed it is and I can say it looks better than most spray coats.
I have 3 painters working for me that learned it the traditional way and the guys are the best !!
Its AWL grip with 7.5 % reducer and a couple of belt sanded brushes that do the trick...( and of course the brush manager !)
Yesterday evening I took out the high pressure wash and blasted the sealings , floors and boat , painted this morning ,11 degrees centigrade in the shed after 5 hours after the paintjob put on the heathers till 20 degrees and now she is looking like that.
The reason we are doing it like that is that we have very strict laws for spraypanting in Holland.
You should see the guys bright work !!
Gert
Women are like boats ,the older they get , the more money and professional help they need to look beautiful.
- Brewster Minton
- Senior Member
- Posts: 1795
- Joined: Jun 30th, '06, 07:44
- Location: Hampton Bays NY
- Contact:
- In Memory Walter K
- Senior Member
- Posts: 2912
- Joined: Jun 30th, '06, 21:25
- Location: East Hampton LI, NY
- Contact:
- Gert van Leest
- Senior Member
- Posts: 314
- Joined: Jan 17th, '11, 16:30
- Location: Warmond, NL
- Contact:
- Gert van Leest
- Senior Member
- Posts: 314
- Joined: Jan 17th, '11, 16:30
- Location: Warmond, NL
- Contact:
[img][img]http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g47 ... G_0423.jpg[/img][/img]
Women are like boats ,the older they get , the more money and professional help they need to look beautiful.
- In Memory Walter K
- Senior Member
- Posts: 2912
- Joined: Jun 30th, '06, 21:25
- Location: East Hampton LI, NY
- Contact:
Gert that is absolutely unbelievable the finish could look like that with a brush.
WOW is right! Beautiful job your doing on the old girl. I feel like getting my belt sander out for the brush and practicing the technique but I'm sure it would be years before I'd get that kind of consistency. That's great!
WOW is right! Beautiful job your doing on the old girl. I feel like getting my belt sander out for the brush and practicing the technique but I'm sure it would be years before I'd get that kind of consistency. That's great!
Wow... Nice!
A really good brush paint job is rare but it is the very best finish. Spray rarely flows like a really good brush coat because spray is thin and generally fast to dry. It relies on many coats to get thickness and depth….. thickness and depth that most of us would mess up in a brush coat.
I know a guy who can produce mirror finishes with a brush. I used to pester him constantly for insight as to what he was doing to get such fine results… and for years upon years he would give me trite, cute, and misleading advice. I concluded as most do that it was more of an art than a skill…..
But then I found out he was an M.I.T. educated engineer. SONOFABITCH! I instantly knew that he had a system and a logic and a process. It may be art, but no good engineer is going to leave it at that, a good engineer is going to figure out what works and why, and so far I have yet to met a bad M.I.T. engineer.
He still hasn’t told me his secrets and I doubt he ever will, but I was encouraged to know that there is a process that works and since then I have made great strides in my personal painting ability. Still the glass-like finish eludes me, but I Believe!
What I can say is that too many painters worry too much about viscosity and ignore surface tension…. And the top brush guys put on what seems like lots of paint, then they spread it, and then tip it off.
A really good brush paint job is rare but it is the very best finish. Spray rarely flows like a really good brush coat because spray is thin and generally fast to dry. It relies on many coats to get thickness and depth….. thickness and depth that most of us would mess up in a brush coat.
I know a guy who can produce mirror finishes with a brush. I used to pester him constantly for insight as to what he was doing to get such fine results… and for years upon years he would give me trite, cute, and misleading advice. I concluded as most do that it was more of an art than a skill…..
But then I found out he was an M.I.T. educated engineer. SONOFABITCH! I instantly knew that he had a system and a logic and a process. It may be art, but no good engineer is going to leave it at that, a good engineer is going to figure out what works and why, and so far I have yet to met a bad M.I.T. engineer.
He still hasn’t told me his secrets and I doubt he ever will, but I was encouraged to know that there is a process that works and since then I have made great strides in my personal painting ability. Still the glass-like finish eludes me, but I Believe!
What I can say is that too many painters worry too much about viscosity and ignore surface tension…. And the top brush guys put on what seems like lots of paint, then they spread it, and then tip it off.
- TailhookTom
- Senior Member
- Posts: 985
- Joined: Jul 3rd, '06, 14:12
-
- Senior Member
- Posts: 7040
- Joined: Jun 29th, '06, 21:24
- Location: Hillsdale, New Jersey
- Contact:
- CaptPatrick
- Founder/Admin
- Posts: 4161
- Joined: Jun 7th, '06, 14:25
- Location: 834 Scott Dr., LLANO, TX 78643 - 325.248.0809 bertram31@bertram31.com
Tony, believe me when I say that "perfection" is something I ONLY aspire to but NEVER achieve...Capt. Pat probably could not reach that perfection.
The only way one can be the best at anything is to specialize in that very thing. My problem is that I dabble in too many processes and specialize in none, making me a Jack of All Trades, Master of None.
I'd say that if I've come close to mastering anything, it's patience and perseverance.
Gert's painters are obviously masters of their trade and I suspect that Gert's mastery is in management and the ability to demand the best and accept nothing less.
- TailhookTom
- Senior Member
- Posts: 985
- Joined: Jul 3rd, '06, 14:12
- PeterPalmieri
- Senior Member
- Posts: 2612
- Joined: Nov 12th, '10, 11:26
- Location: Babylon, NY
- TailhookTom
- Senior Member
- Posts: 985
- Joined: Jul 3rd, '06, 14:12
- Gert van Leest
- Senior Member
- Posts: 314
- Joined: Jan 17th, '11, 16:30
- Location: Warmond, NL
- Contact:
Yes Walter , take an new brush made out of Chinese pig hair and sand of a quarter of the length and round the tip at the belt sander.
Peter , last year I took out the side frames and made it Capt Pat style ( fibreglassed ).
Took out the front glass and started sanding the hell out of it back to the bare aluminium , then painted everything with interprime 820 6 times and 4 coats of AWL grip.
The sanding is the worst part , because you have remove all the anodized stuff and clean out the pit corosion
If you don't 2 years later you can do it again.
Thanks for the compliments guys , but don't forget it is my business and it is my business card aswell to have my own stuff look like new !
last year I had more than 30 clients that thought I build a new boat, bunch of dumb asses didn,t knew the existance of a B31.
I am in the business 20 years and own the company for 15 next year.
BUT , I am never reluctant to learn , and many thanks to this wonderfull site, where everything I needed to know I could find !!!
and the old Capster gave me fist of all a lot of inspiration and a lot of help behind the screens !!
BR Gert[/b]
Peter , last year I took out the side frames and made it Capt Pat style ( fibreglassed ).
Took out the front glass and started sanding the hell out of it back to the bare aluminium , then painted everything with interprime 820 6 times and 4 coats of AWL grip.
The sanding is the worst part , because you have remove all the anodized stuff and clean out the pit corosion
If you don't 2 years later you can do it again.
Thanks for the compliments guys , but don't forget it is my business and it is my business card aswell to have my own stuff look like new !
last year I had more than 30 clients that thought I build a new boat, bunch of dumb asses didn,t knew the existance of a B31.
I am in the business 20 years and own the company for 15 next year.
BUT , I am never reluctant to learn , and many thanks to this wonderfull site, where everything I needed to know I could find !!!
and the old Capster gave me fist of all a lot of inspiration and a lot of help behind the screens !!
BR Gert[/b]
Women are like boats ,the older they get , the more money and professional help they need to look beautiful.
-
- Senior Member
- Posts: 7040
- Joined: Jun 29th, '06, 21:24
- Location: Hillsdale, New Jersey
- Contact:
- Capt.Frank
- Senior Member
- Posts: 641
- Joined: Jun 29th, '06, 21:20
- Location: Kill Devil Hills,NC
Belt sanded brushes, makes good sense for holding the paint. You learn something everyday.
Brush manager- Didn't know that was a title, certainly an important job.
I prefer the finish of a brush painted boat over sprayed, I think the slower dry time really helps the Original Awl Grip set up better. Our hull is brushed and still looks pretty damn good after 6 years.
Neat project Gert, she just needs more wood.
Rolled covering boards
Teak Deck
Varnished bulkhead and overhead
Really make that classic a classic. Heck looks like you can keep her in doors so you got wood maintenance licked.
Brush manager- Didn't know that was a title, certainly an important job.
I prefer the finish of a brush painted boat over sprayed, I think the slower dry time really helps the Original Awl Grip set up better. Our hull is brushed and still looks pretty damn good after 6 years.
Neat project Gert, she just needs more wood.
Rolled covering boards
Teak Deck
Varnished bulkhead and overhead
Really make that classic a classic. Heck looks like you can keep her in doors so you got wood maintenance licked.
KR
JP
1977 RLDT "CHIMERA"
JP
1977 RLDT "CHIMERA"
- CaptPatrick
- Founder/Admin
- Posts: 4161
- Joined: Jun 7th, '06, 14:25
- Location: 834 Scott Dr., LLANO, TX 78643 - 325.248.0809 bertram31@bertram31.com
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: Kevind767 and 116 guests