Haul or not to haul, what do you think?

Dug · Post by **Dug** » Aug 24th, '11, 12:26

So Boat U.S. will reimburse 50% of my hauling costs for the named storm. So that means that it will only cost me $210 bucks to yank Alchemy for the weekend.

What do you think???

CaptPatrick · Post by **CaptPatrick** » Aug 24th, '11, 12:38

Cheap at twice the price...

mike ohlstein · Post by **mike ohlstein** » Aug 24th, '11, 12:40

At the rate that the track is pushing to the east, I would guess that the only landfall is going to be Cape Cod. That said, the surge is still going to be pretty severe. I would take the canvas off, at least. If you're in a protected area you might be ok......but for 200 bucks.......what was your question?

Russ Pagels · Post by **Russ Pagels** » Aug 24th, '11, 13:08

Dug, make sure that they have pad eyes sunk into the ground .so that the boat can be tied down. first year since 1979 that I don't have a boat in the water. of course it's in a building in New Jersy, hope it's a strong building. good luck to all...Russ

Carl · Post by **Carl** » Aug 24th, '11, 13:12

For $210, it's worth the piece of mind. Then you only have to worry about the business and home.

Carl

Capt. DQ · Post by **Capt. DQ** » Aug 24th, '11, 13:57

HAUL IT NOW! Don't even think twice about it. Much safer out than in.

DQ

Dug · Post by **Dug** » Aug 24th, '11, 15:10

Yeah, guys, that was my thought. Heading down tonight to bring it to the yard. I'll strip all the canvas and such on Saturday am. Storm is supposed to hit here, in whatever form on sunday. It will at least rain up here...

My slip is pretty shallow, so high water might not be good. Low water would be disastrous.

Thanks for the input!

D

Bertramp · Post by **Bertramp** » Aug 24th, '11, 19:43

mike ohlstein wrote:At the rate that the track is pushing to the east, I would guess that the only landfall is going to be Cape Cod. That said, the surge is still going to be pretty severe. I would take the canvas off, at least. If you're in a protected area you might be ok......but for 200 bucks.......what was your question?

Mike...You don't think its gonna run through Hampton Bays or Montauk ?

randall · Post by **randall** » Aug 24th, '11, 20:11

Bertramp wrote: Mike...You don't think its gonna run through Hampton Bays or Montauk ?

most of the models are 38 all over again. maybe it'll cut a few new inlets.

scot · Post by **scot** » Aug 24th, '11, 20:28

DUg,

This is the Pleasure Island Marina. Port Arthur, Texas after IKE. It "was" COMPLETELY full of boats. IKE's eye came ashore 50 miles to the west.

Down there somewhere is my friends 31 Bertram....but hey, it's your call.

scot · Post by **scot** » Aug 24th, '11, 20:46

Found the pic of Ron's 31. Took me a couple of hours to locate the boat when I first got into the marina. About 6-8" of the flybridge above water.

Capt. DQ · Post by **Capt. DQ** » Aug 24th, '11, 20:48

Was that on the Northeast & Eastside of the eye Scot?

Baaaad News,

DQ

scot · Post by **scot** » Aug 24th, '11, 20:55

Doug that was the east side..eye came in 50 miles to the west. Everything in that marina survived RITA, with the eye passing directly over head (CAT 3).

That's why everyone figured they would be OK....wrong! IKE was much less of a storm but the surge was unbelievable. Flooded damn near everything between 3-7 miles inland out to 70 miles east of the eye.

Capt. DQ · Post by **Capt. DQ** » Aug 24th, '11, 20:57

Roger that, Scot. Not a pretty picture.

DQ

Tony Meola · Post by **Tony Meola** » Aug 24th, '11, 21:24

Dug

Don't hesitate. The cost of the pull is less than loosing the boat. I tried and unfortunately the travel lift at the Marina I use broke down yesterday and they are waiting for a part. Hopefully I can get out on Saturday. Marina's that don't know you are putting strangers to the back of the line.

Picked up more lines and snubbers today at West Marine. The manager said that I was the only one he has seen this week even resembling someone who is trying to get ready for the storm.

They will probably be mobbed on Friday.

mike ohlstein · Post by **mike ohlstein** » Aug 24th, '11, 21:41

Still does look like it's going to hit smack on Hampton Bays......

We'll see what tomorrow brings.

Pete Fallon · Post by **Pete Fallon** » Aug 24th, '11, 22:57

Dug,
I'd pull the boat, $210 is short money, like Tom Oaks said today, it's easier to fix a boat on land than one that's underwater. Plus it's more than likely time to replace you shaft zincs for the rest of the season.
The storm is going east of Stuart, Fl. but they say we are going to get up to 30 to 50 miles per hour gusts in feeder bands on Thursday according to the local limp wristed weatherman on West Palm TV.

Pete

Harry Woods · Post by **Harry Woods** » Aug 24th, '11, 23:03

Mike,
Shinnecock Inlet was created by the hurricane of 1938. Let's hope this one does not take it back. There are a few open slips at Indian Cove if you need to move from across the bay.
Harry

jspiezio · Post by **jspiezio** » Aug 24th, '11, 23:16

What do you guys think about being on a lift in your slip?

mike ohlstein · Post by **mike ohlstein** » Aug 24th, '11, 23:30

Harry Woods wrote:Mike,
Shinnecock Inlet was created by the hurricane of 1938. Let's hope this one does not take it back. There are a few open slips at Indian Cove if you need to move from across the bay.
Harry

I actually have the boat in the Hempstead Harbor at the moment, in a very protected marina. But thanks.

CaptPatrick · Post by **CaptPatrick** » Aug 25th, '11, 05:47

jspiezio wrote:What do you guys think about being on a lift in your slip?

Not a good idea...

TailhookTom · Post by **TailhookTom** » Aug 25th, '11, 07:30

1. Homeowner's premium paid in full in June.
2. Flood Insurance premium paid in full last week.
3. Category 5 hurricane rated windows installed in June.
4. All outdoor furniture and any potential flying objects brought inside.
5. All items in garage picked off floor and put on shelving 5 feet off ground.
6. All porch furntiture brought inside (porch is 10" lower then interior).
7. All doors and windows locked and closed.
8. Boat pulled from slip, on trailer and plug pulled. No loose objects in her.

Am I missing anything regarding my beach house?

CaptPatrick · Post by **CaptPatrick** » Aug 25th, '11, 07:34

Photograph everything for a "before" documentation...

scot · Post by **scot** » Aug 25th, '11, 07:41

Tom,

Don't forget to turn off the power, water and gas (propane, etc). I would also run a line(s) from something well anchored to the boat trailer.

What do you guys think about being on a lift in your slip?

As the Capt said "not a good idea". Many of the slips in the above picture "had" boats hanging from slings.

Good luck

Dug · Post by **Dug** » Aug 25th, '11, 08:29

I delivered the boat to the marina yesterday evening, and they should haul her today. they said I am now in the schedule.

They sound tense, which means they are hauling like crazy...

I think people are finally waking up here...

Dug

Ric · Post by **Ric** » Aug 25th, '11, 14:45

hi dug
the fact that you are able to be hauled out in and of itself dictates you do..I called yesterday and found out there were 29 boats in front of me that called to be hauled out.I called annother marina and he is swamped also. The merrimac river here in newburyport has a 7knt current and a very small window of 2 hours before the top of the tide the slack and the first 2 hours of the outgoing and thats it,, given the number of boats here it is impossible to make it happen for everybody that wants to> PRICE is not the issue,,
,,,to few haulers,,,to little time and way to many boats,,,,,,,,, :?.,. ,.,.,,,,I got a bad feeling,,,,about this one .,.,.,.they been crying wolf for the last 4 years and nothing....everybody passes it off as annother hysteria promulgated by the weathermen......i say .,.,.,OH OHH,,,

Wingnut · Post by **Wingnut** » Aug 25th, '11, 16:11

My 28 was pulled today. It is blocked up in Rock Hall, MD and we will see some surge for sure. During Isabel the surge was about 6-7 feet and a mess of boats ended up in fields, on highways, etc.

My question for those who have been through this before: Should I pull the plug or not?

Thanks,

JD

CaptPatrick · Post by **CaptPatrick** » Aug 25th, '11, 16:25

JD,

Regardless of hurricane or not, always pull the drain plug when on the hard. With the plug in, and especially if in the path of a storm, rain water can fill up the bilges pretty quick. That additional weight could cause a blocking failure and or hull damage.

Br,

Patrick

Wingnut · Post by **Wingnut** » Aug 25th, '11, 16:31

Capt. Pat,

Thanks a million. Those were my thoughts but I wanted to check and see If I was missing "something".

Warm Regards,

JD

Bruce Sweet · Post by **Bruce Sweet** » Aug 25th, '11, 18:55

I just left my dock in Tequesta, Fl. just inside Jupiter Inlet at 1930 hrs.. Irene passed almost exactly 170 miles east of us and we still had a plus 2.75 high tide,just under the dock boards. now that is water coming in little tiny Jupiter Inlet . The point i am making is that any of you fellows up in the northeast, in particular the New jersey, long island area will have 200-300 miles of waves piling up BEFORE the storm even gets to you. We are securing all of our marine equipment[ Tugs, barges, etc.] up in that area with the thought of an unbelievable tidal surge.

Bertramp · Post by **Bertramp** » Aug 25th, '11, 19:27

CaptPatrick wrote:JD,

Regardless of hurricane or not, always pull the drain plug when on the hard. With the plug in, and especially if in the path of a storm, rain water can fill up the bilges pretty quick. That additional weight could cause a blocking failure and or hull damage.

Br,

Patrick

I believe there was a 31 express with (as I remember CAT 3116s) that sold from Montauk some years back that "sank on the hard" due to a plug not being pulled. Someone on here might own it...hope that wasn't too much info.

Wingnut · Post by **Wingnut** » Aug 26th, '11, 09:01

Well, the latest is to expect 4-8 feet of surge above ground level in my area. With the plug pulled, I'm OK to about 6 1/2 or so (guessing).

I suppose even if I didn't fill up with water, and she floated off, the results would be just as disastrous so....

The canvas is coming down, plug pulled and personal effects being removed this afternoon / evening.

I wish all of the faithful on the East Coast the best of luck! Stay safe.

JD

CaptPatrick · Post by **CaptPatrick** » Aug 26th, '11, 11:10

JD,

A storm surge isn't as speedy as a tsunami...

The water will rise at a slower pace and along with rain your bilge will pretty much equalize with the rising water, so you shouldn't worry too much about the boat floating off the jack stands. When the water receeds, your bilge will drain.

Use a screen and some weights, configured to keep the drain hole from getting plugged by debris...

Br,

Patrick

Charlie J · Post by **Charlie J** » Aug 26th, '11, 12:14

just brought mine over to the marina to haul out, cheap insurance and peace of mind since ill be buesy restoring power. $10 per ft and boat us picks up 250

Ryder · Post by **Ryder** » Aug 26th, '11, 12:26

Dumb Q- Remove all canvas? assume because it acts as a sail? or leave canvas that covers windsheild and electronics - mine just covers those and goes over seats...rest of boat is open....and yes - she is now on the hard in Cos Cob, CT - thanks to all

Dug · Post by **Dug** » Aug 26th, '11, 14:25

Exactly the reason to remove the canvas, that and you don't want it shredded.

8' above mean high in CT. It just dawned on my parents what we have to do. I am headed down in about 10 minutes to get my life raft out of the basement (guess why!) and so on... and probably mandatory evacuation as of tomorrow at noon.

So, so glad the boat is out. Dad opted not to. I haven't a clue why... I think he is regretting the decision today.

Dug

John F. · Post by **John F.** » Aug 26th, '11, 14:51

Mandatory evacuation here on Kent Island starting noon tomorrow. Its all about the storm surge.

34Hatt · Post by **34Hatt** » Aug 31st, '11, 08:44

O.K before the storm I was thinking about the plug out verse being in.
My thoughts were most of us fish so we have self bailing deck so most water will go out through the scuppers and then bilge pumps as back up.
Well just yesterday talking to a friend upstate N.Y in Kingston his boat was out of the water up on a hill away from the river in a spot that never has flooded before. Well that was before Irene, water reached his boat pushed it of the stands and it sunk because the plug was out.

Another one of those Dam if you Do Dammed if you don't!

PeterPalmieri · Post by **PeterPalmieri** » Aug 31st, '11, 09:21

I learned my lesson here. The topic of to haul or not to haul will likely not come up again soon for me. We got lucky and a 4 foot surge on a new moon tide was manageable. If we got the higher end of that 7 feet or more I would have been in trouble staying in the water.

God help us if we ever get a cat 3.

Tony Meola · Post by **Tony Meola** » Aug 31st, '11, 21:20

Dan

Look at it this way, if it did not sink and it floated away, it would probably be somewhere around the statue of liberty by now.

ed c. · Post by **ed c.** » Sep 1st, '11, 03:31

Down here in S. Jersey, about 70 miles South of where it hit the mainland, we got wind and little else. I have a basement 500 feet from the bay and it had 1/2 inch of water which was gone by Tuesday.I got lucky again, although the people up in Vermont seemed to have really gotten hit. It must be demoralizing to lose everything you owned. God bless them.

Brewster Minton · Post by **Brewster Minton** » Sep 1st, '11, 08:32

I ran up the Conn river to Hartford. Wind and one foot waves. Came back Monday to Jacksons which was a total wreck. All the boats on stands were inches from floating off. Docks A,B,C were all shot and have to be rebuilt including the gas dock.

34Hatt · Post by **34Hatt** » Sep 1st, '11, 13:11

Tony Meola wrote:Dan

Look at it this way, if it did not sink and it floated away, it would probably be somewhere around the statue of liberty by now.

Well actually someone got a line on it as the water was rising but did not know the plug was out.

Well we all do the best we can and hope for the best!

Brewster did you have a lot of crap floating downriver on Monday friend says its a mess right now.

Brewster Minton · Post by **Brewster Minton** » Sep 1st, '11, 14:36

For the first half then clear.

TailhookTom · Post by **TailhookTom** » Sep 1st, '11, 14:46

Brew:

I wish I knew you were running up to Hartford --- Kona and I would have come and said hi -- we had some wind blow for couple hours late in the day, but no where near what happened on the shoreline and LI -- Kona loved the storm, until a tree branch snapped in a windgust about 100yards from him.

Good luck with the cleanup -- I'm getting down to Old Lyme this weekend to get the seaweed out from under the house and get the windows put back in.

Tom

bertram31.com

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