Wet slipping a Bertram 35

[Carl]

Its your fault, you gave me no choice Yannis. Since you started posting pictures I had to crank it up a notch. LOL...glad you took no offense as it is meant in fun.

I have not been on a running 28 to know the difference of being in heads seas, so I'll take Tony s word. As for being a dry boat, some days getting wet isn't an option. But if that is a problem maybe being on a boat is not a great idea.
Now a wet boat, we'd have to take a ride on mine in seemingly beautiful conditions, catch a wake, or wave...boat has no issue as it slices through. The guy driving however runs right into that sliced wall of water. Quartering waves into the wind, I drive lower station with window open, Every other waves is coming back. I could shut, but prefer the visibility. Is what it is...if going to a dock n dine, I either bring extra clothes, wear a wind (water) breaker or just say the hell with it, I'm wet, I was on a boat. Haven't been kicked out of a restaurant yet for being wet.

Sounds like quite the trip back...I think we all have been in that stuff. Its never fun but always glad to be on a Bertram. Years ago we were out in conditions we should not have gone out in. Coming back I had a 32 Blackfin follow me back. Why I don't know he was bigger, heavier, lots of flare, big 3208 Cats pushing to my gas 440's, but at the fuel dock he came over. Said he was having trouble going through it as I went by and he just followed me. Maybe lighter I went up n over...who knows...but it was a bad day to be out. Although caught a bunch a fish.

To me the beauty of the 31 is the huge wide open cockpit and it gets me back with some cabin space. Your 28 has a nice cockpit, great cabin and gets you back. Extended time on a boat in less then ideal weather, I'd want more cabin.

[Yannis]

Carl,

I'd want more cabin too, but "less than ideal weather", while at the dock, is rain and cold that will keep you inside the cabin.
But how many days does it rain in the summer? Once? Twice? And for how long, 2-3 hours max. So really the need for a bigger cabin (=bigger boat) is not all that necessary. Plus, a bigger boat contradicts one of the biggest advantages of our boats: that they can be driven singlehandedly!
If EVERY TIME I need to move I need to beg for competent company, this is a major drawback. That's why a B35 is a good option. It is the maximum boat size for single handed operation. Plus you get the more cabin element. Which brings us back to the initial scope of this thread, why a B35 is a very good candidate vs CC's and A/O boats out there.

[Carl]

Yannis, I agree some years we get the quick passing summer thunderstorm. Great day before and after to enjoy being out. Other years the pattern is a quick passing sunny day between a week of dreary rain.

Larger cabins often go with larger boats. But hat is not a rule. My 31 cabin seems to be smaller then your 28’ cabin, it’s definitely smaller then dads 28’ Hatteras cabin or uncles 28’ Silverton cabin. A 35 Lugers has a nice big cabin, but nothing compared to. Carver 35… that thing was just huge inside. Stuck on a boat at a secure slip or mooring looking to go to another on nice days… you know where I’d like to be.

Single handed operation is a must…Some boats that can be a good deal over 35’. Some boats and operators should be in a dingy in a pond.

[Tony Meola]

My friend has a 28 with the Yanmars. I have run it several times. I find it rides a little better in a head Sea.

The one thing I don't like it the rocking. My 31 rolls that 28 snaps.

Yannis all joking aside the 28 is a nice boat. It is a better boat for spending time on. We purchased the 31 for its fishing area. When my father was buying the boat, he was looking at a 28. We went to buy it and it was sitting next to a 31, and my father said not that one is what I want, it has more fishing room

As far as raising fish, all the 31's do a good job at it. But some are better. Why I have no idea, but we use to fish offshore with our friend joining along with his 31 and his crew. Our boat would raise fish when he didn't and we wouldn't be more than 50 yards apart.

Could be sound, color of the bottom paint or just plain luck. Who knows.

But I will say this, no boat is dry.

[Yannis]

Tony, youre right, once, sleeping on the settee at night, I was thrown onto the cabin sole by a wake of a distant ferry. I never thought my 100 plus kilos would be so abruptly misplaced! And yes, no boat is dry, especially the part which is in the water, LOL!!

[Carl]

I used to be the one boat that rocked at the dock from the ripples of passing boats. Now the most popular boats are Albermarle and Carolina Classic so I have company.

Fished a friends 28 Carolina with 315 Yanmars, quick and cuts through seas nice n dry but trolling in beam seas I’ll take the 31. Stopping to bring fish in….yes the 31 wins again. I’m not sure if that boat snapped back, but it did feel like it rolled past what I was used to without slowing down giving me an awe sh$t we’re going swimming feeling. Then I guess changed direction quick…could be what you’re calling a snap. For me it was relief. lol. Maybe more time on other people’s boats is in order.

Tony, your dad was right, that one, the 31 has more fishing room. More room for people to hang out, more room for beach toys, coolers n chairs. More room for sleeping bags to sleep on the hook under the stars…or put a 6x 9 blow up pool on a super hot day at the dock. Also fits a fighting chair well…but I found I enjoyed the open space more…and standup fishing became the thing. Even very casual bottom fishing, 2, 3 poles from the side 2 lines off the stern is very comfortable with enough space to be free of tangles and fight fish. All with a great view. Outboards cut 1/3 of the open space. Fishing is still quite doable of course a bit worse then a swim platform or tabs, views eh, still have 2 sides.

In short, the 31 has just enough cabin to get by and tons of wide open cockpit. Makes me wonder why hanging outboards off these boats has become popular. For me, that would be compromising what I compromised cabin space for.

[Yannis]

Carl,

Why should I listen to the American fishing jargon? Two bikini buts are better because they are there!

[Tony Meola]

Yannis

None of us on this PG site ever think of that. Just ask any of the guys on here.

[Amberjack]

Don’t let the guys get under your skin Yannis. Mostly they’re just envious of your life style.

[Tony Meola]

Doug

That may be a classic. If only UV could see it.

[Carl]

If I cannot live the lifestyle I am thrilled to know people I consider friends to be able to live it.

Private yacht in the Mediterranean, cruising the American North West and Overnights fishing in the Bahamas... just absolutely awesome!



This is were I'd usually add a quick..."even if it has to be on a 28 Bertram" but I am past teasing Yannis and Will Not go there this time.

[Tony Meola]

Carl

You are getting soft in your old age.

[Carl]

Carl

You are getting soft in your old age.

Thanks for the heads up Tony, I’ll try to correct that.

[Tony Meola]

Carl

While none of us have ever met Yannis, I bet he would have been the life of the party at one of the old gatherings.

I have to say, while he hasn't realized it, we all live vicariously through all his summer postings. He lives in a beautiful area of the world and knows how to enjoy it.

I have to tip my hat to him.

[Yannis]

Tony, Carl,

Im in Syros for Easter, having my hands full of lamb intestines, heads and the like…
I just now tuned in and saw your posts, I will revert with new pics once Im back in Athens, probably sometime next week.
For the time being, he who wrote “even in a 28” should start feeling awkward, to say the least LOL!!!

[Carl]

For the time being, he who wrote “even in a 28” should start feeling awkward, to say the least LOL!!!

Not sure who your speaking of...LOL !!!

Happy Easter Yannis!

[Tony Meola]

Greek Easter

Was just discussing that with some friends last night.

[Yannis]

Tony, I’m sure you were not thrilled, knowing your aversion to lamb intestines and the lamb’s eyes gazing at you while they turn on the spit…
However, apart from the traditional eating habbits, there is a lot of other interesting elements, mainly religion related, that are worth experiencing, like the Epitaph decoration and carrying in the streets, or the resurrection fireworks, the red eggs, the good Saturday soup and many more…
Its also a very colorful period, spring, with flowers blooming all over and the first attempts to eat outside.

If you ever make that trip to Sicily you’ll experience a similarly comfortable weather…as the summer is usually too hot for promenades and visits of sites…

[Tony Meola]

Yannis

I like Lamb, just not the eyes, brains and intestines.

I am sure there are a lot of similar food traditions between the Italians and Greeks. I miss my Grandmothers Easter Pies. She use to make what we called Pizza Gaina and the Rice Pies, some use Grain.

I have made it a few times, but my wife gets crazy because one 9-inch Pizza Gaina contains 12 eggs, and multiple meets. Like hard Salami and Ham. Maybe we should call it a Heart Attack Special.

But Eggs play a big part in the Easter Tradition. Celebration of the rising of Christ.

[Carl]

Pizza Gaina, I had to look that up...AKA- Pizza Rustica, yup that is some good stuff! And grain pie is another great Easter dish. Maybe not the most healthy, but a piece or two each a year...if your eating healthy otherwise I cannot see being a problem. But I'm a machinist...so watch were you take your online advice...lol.

I'd have no issues picking around a lamb head, not sure I'd dive into the eyes for awhile. But mom always tells of the first time she went over to dads house for dinner. First course was fish soup which she said was great even though very different from her Italian upbringing...dads sisters started arguing over who got the... Mom didn't see it, till one sister asked if she could have the eye. Mom looked down and saw it...nodded yes and it was immediately gone. Guess its what your used to. Cheeks are usually very good. Intestines sounds unappetizing, but I also find them to be the best part of a natural casing sausage or hot dog. I'm also a fan of variety meats, offal meat. Yes, some takes a bit of getting used to especially if not prepped right, but can be really great, especially pate's. That offal meat wrapped with intestine on a big skewer, slow roasted over a fire sounds intriguingly delicious.

Funny how eggs used to be good growing up. Then only the whites were good, yolks were treated like kryptonite and now its back to whole eggs are the perfect food. My daughter is very health conscious, went from no eggs to us buying 30 packs with whole milk a thing in the fridge again.

[Tony Meola]

Carl

And your last statement is why I take all this health advice with a grain of salt. I know people who exercised regularly, watched what they were eating, stayed away from all the bad stuff and still had heart attacks from clogged artery.

I also knew someone who did everything wrong and lived until he was 90.

We just never know.

[Carl]

Tony-

You never know...very true. I think we all know the exceptions to the rules. Those that live to excess and continue to rack up those birthdays and those that follow all the rules and leave us early.

I was reading about cholesterol being the bodies way of healing itself and today we strive to lower those numbers even if we have to take drugs to do it. Maybe we are working to remove the fix by doing so. Almost funny if that was the case...
Years ago after a procedure it was bed rest for extended periods...today they want you up and around so fast I wouldn't be surprised to hear if they made patients walk back from the surgery room.

I guess its better to second guess what was thought to be right in hopes of moving forward. Overall it seems we have people living longer in good health, so they most be onto something.

Then again, what do I know...

[Tony Meola]

Carl

I believe we still have traits from our days when we were not fully into human development. I believe that we still store fat in the winter to some degree from the days we hibernated or couldn't find food.

We are just another animal with animal traits. You just cannot get around that. Biology is Biology and that is why our bodies do what they do and genetics play the big part.

We just keep on trying to delay the effects of our genetics.