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28 foot barons?

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How many were made and what would the value of one be in moderately poor shape? Nothing rotten, no engines, original out drives.
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I know they are pretty rare, but I may be able to get one right now, so that is why I am asking.......
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Ryan, I've only seen one in all my years. I have an ad from the February, 1969, Yachting Magazine stating "Bertram announces the Baron 28". The 28 Baron has a completely different hull from the Dave Napier designed 28 FBC that was introduced in 1971. The Baron 28 was built on a hull (presumably by Ray Hunt) that Bertram designed specifically for it's professional racing program in the late 60's.
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Ryan

Remember one thing, value is what one is willing to pay for it. If you never plan on selling, that is one thing, but you don't want to take a bath. I would say the demand is slim except for a few buyers.

If it is only useful for Howdy boating and showing it at area events, then I would say the value is low. Unfortunately, unlike cars, there is a very small collector market for boats.

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Tony is correct; VERY limited market for these unique boats. As he said, primary use would be "Howdy" boating (nothing wrong with that) and occasional classic boat shows (also fun). Even if you were given the hull for free, I believe you would have way more in a re-build/restore than you could sell it for. Now if you love a project that you can immerse yourself in and you enjoy turning wrenches and sanding fiberglass, and you have a place to do these things, then this would be a project that would keep you busy for a while!
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Just found this on a google search:

1968 Bertram Barron Offshore
Year: 1968
Length: 28'
Located In: Clayton, NY
Hull Material: Fiberglass
YW#: 80515-2964486
Current Price: US$ 74,900
28 Feet 1968 Bertram Barrow Offshore Raceboat
For Bertram Lovers and Offshore enthusiasts alike, it does not get any better!

Bertram only build 11 of these special raceboats, 9 of which went to the Israeli Government as gun boats. This particular hull was used in the 1968 Miami to Nassau race. She has been comprehensively restored with new chrome, gelcoat, teak floor, and rebuilt engines. Dash and gauge panels also redone. Only 2 hours of use since the twin 300hp Ford engines were rebuilt. This is believed to be the last of the 11 boats remaining.

The largest broker of Antique & Classic boats in the world!

Please contact Peter Mellon of Antique Boat America with any inquiries - 315-783-6100

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so 30k for this is a bit much......

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he clearly knows how rare they are. It was his pride and joy and it went under for Hurricane Katrina and has been sitting. He said everything is solid and usable but no engines. set up for BBC's.

I just found it odd that one of these few is less than half a mile from house and it caught me in a trance of flight and fancy!
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Tommy wrote:Just found this on a google search:

1968 Bertram Barron Offshore
Year: 1968
Length: 28'
Located In: Clayton, NY
Hull Material: Fiberglass
YW#: 80515-2964486
Current Price: US$ 74,900
28 Feet 1968 Bertram Barrow Offshore Raceboat
For Bertram Lovers and Offshore enthusiasts alike, it does not get any better!

Bertram only build 11 of these special raceboats, 9 of which went to the Israeli Government as gun boats. This particular hull was used in the 1968 Miami to Nassau race. She has been comprehensively restored with new chrome, gelcoat, teak floor, and rebuilt engines. Dash and gauge panels also redone. Only 2 hours of use since the twin 300hp Ford engines were rebuilt. This is believed to be the last of the 11 boats remaining.

The largest broker of Antique & Classic boats in the world!

Please contact Peter Mellon of Antique Boat America with any inquiries - 315-783-6100

Call Now
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This one has been for sale for long time. So that tells you that the price is way off as well as the demand.
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ford351c594 wrote:so 30k for this is a bit much......

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he clearly knows how rare they are. It was his pride and joy and it went under for Hurricane Katrina and has been sitting. He said everything is solid and usable but no engines. set up for BBC's.

I just found it odd that one of these few is less than half a mile from house and it caught me in a trance of flight and fancy!
I would pay no more than $5,000 for it. Unfortunately he will take it as an insult but facts are facts. If he does not take it, the boat will be sitting there for a long time until someone with deep pockets comes along and wants to do something special with it.
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Israeli gun boat! Wonder where they mounted the machine gun(s)?
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I remember seeing a 28 Baron that sold in sweden about five years ago. Cosmetically very nice, and with two fresh gassers. I believe it sold at around 25k if memory serves me right. Keep in mind that Bertrams typically trade for quite a bit more in Europe than in the US. Price wise that placed it just shy of 28 FBC area.
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MarkS wrote:Israeli gun boat! Wonder where they mounted the machine gun(s)?

Up front-
The front tip gets cut off so barrel protrudes when ready to fire.
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ford351c594 wrote:so 30k for this is a bit much......

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he clearly knows how rare they are. It was his pride and joy and it went under for Hurricane Katrina and has been sitting. He said everything is solid and usable but no engines. set up for BBC's.

I just found it odd that one of these few is less than half a mile from house and it caught me in a trance of flight and fancy!

If its worth 30k to you then its worth 30K.


For me, if I couldn't flip it for 30k...it's not worth 30k.
A Rare Boat means they didn't sell many...Yeah I know obvious point...but if it was a boat in demand would they not have made more?

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Ladrs wrote:I remember seeing this impressive phenq review that sold in sweden five years ago. Cosmetically very nice, and with two fresh gassers. I believe it sold at around 25k if memory serves me right. Keep in mind that Bertrams typically trade for quite a bit more in Europe than in the US. Price wise that placed it just shy of 28 FBC area.
30k sounds very expensive for this but it will look awesome when it's restored.
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Hey Guys, anyone know how much a Baron 28 weighs?? Got my eye on one and I am trying to estimate shipping.

I will take any guesses too as am about to meet the broker. I can’t find this info anywhere!
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The Israeli gunboat claim is wrong, specially rigged 31's, including being made with fire retardant resin, went to the Israelis from what I have read.........not Baron 28's. The 28 Barons and the 20's were built by Bertram as, in theory, quick selling cash cows.
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Here is a picture of one for sale up in Clayton NY.

http://www.antiqueboatamerica.com/Boat/ ... aron_42810
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Sorry you asked for weight. Given that a 31 comes in around 12,000 lbs with the fly bridge and full gas, I would guess the 28 comes without the bridge and cabin come in around 10,000lbs.
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JeremyD

I believe that ad is for the 24’ ‘pop up camper’ model. The front part of the deck just past the windshield ‘pops’ up with canvas for extra room in the cuddy cabin. Those are pretty cool. Don’t see many of them.


Jayjays1

IDK about the 28’ weight but the original specs on the 26 Sport Convertible (open runabout - not the flybridge) twin inboard model with 165hp Crusaders was 6700 lbs. 26’2” length 10’ 0” beam, 3’ draft. So maybe a few thousand above that?
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Real nice lines...

The wire and pole thing on the foredeck, is that to be used as a handrail? It's a cool looking thing.

Looking at the pictures I can say no way to servicing those motors easily. Best or only way is to pull them I'd think. Whatever, still darn purdy...
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Hey Gentleman, Much appreciated! I too was figuring in the ranges offered.

Very excited! Hope it comes to pass!

Cool,

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Carl wrote: Oct 29th, '24, 12:48
The wire and pole thing on the foredeck, is that to be used as a handrail? It's a cool looking thing.
That owner was a marine historian. Its the same clip on lifeline used on WWII submarines. I agree, it’s very cool.
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Interesting thread about these rare Bertrams. Jeremy, I agree with Daniel that the ad incorrectly refers to the model as a 25' model; I have an old ad that confirms Daniel's observation of a Bertram 24' Pop-Up Camper model. The bow cap would pop up and elevate canvas curtains creating a tent like enclosure. The model was not well received by the market, so it appered and diasppeared in a brief timeframe.

If someone is interested in a 28' Baron, they would be well advised to buy the restored "Chicken of the Sea" that Tony linked rather than rebuilding one. Even if someone was gifted the hull that Ryan posted, I'm afraid the cost at the end of the project would be out of sight. And yes, the wire and stanchions on the bow serve as a handrail / lifeline in the event a crewmember needs to access the bow for emergency anchoring, etc.
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