Bertram Parts

jayjays1 · Post by **jayjays1** » Dec 2nd, '23, 18:20

Hi Guys, I have dropped off this board for many years! I am now restoring another B31 for myself to use as my commuter boat in Bermuda. This will handle the elements more comfortably than the B25 I have been using for the last 20 or so years (I am a little older now). I am wondering if the old parts that used to be around still are, and where to get them these days?

My wish list:

-Oversized rudders and top bearings and arms with tie bar
-Capt Pat's original style side air intake boxes
-PVC and stainless rub rail
-An original B31 chrome gauge cluster panel
-Cabrera cockpit floor
-Bronze shaft logs and struts to accommodate 1.5 and possibly 1.75" shafts (repowering to Cummins Reman 370's)
-Original interior Bertram seating (I have seen pics of original tall helm chairs hinged to the gunnel inside the cabin?)
-Original large type Bertram steering wheel
-the steps that affix to the aft cabin struts/supports

Please let me know of any leads if anyone has any.

JJ

pschauss · Post by **pschauss** » Dec 2nd, '23, 20:46

I got my oversized rudders from Bobby Soles propeller. The swivel sockets and tiller arms are standard parts from the Buck Algonquin catalog. I had a local propeller shop make a tie bar for me.

jayjays1 · Post by **jayjays1** » Dec 3rd, '23, 08:27

Cool good to know!

DCJ · Post by **DCJ** » Dec 3rd, '23, 08:37

I have an original Bertram cluster panel but not sure if it’s chrome complete with gauges. Also have bronze shaft logs,not sure if they will accommodate 1.75” shafts. Currently out of town but will confirm when I return.

DCJ · Post by **DCJ** » Dec 3rd, '23, 15:59

PM me your cell and I will send pics

Tony Meola · Post by **Tony Meola** » Dec 3rd, '23, 23:41

Not sure if you can still get the deck from Cabrera. Most the crew build their ownnnusing Coosa Board. The side intake air box is not available.

As mentioned Bobby Soles prop shop has the rudder pattern.

jayjays1 · Post by **jayjays1** » Dec 4th, '23, 18:26

Thanks so far everyone. I am definitely interested in the cluster panel please! I won't need the gauges as they will be will all be new. My cell is 441 705 7179

Thanks JJ

Tony Meola · Post by **Tony Meola** » Dec 4th, '23, 23:25

The cluster panel will be tough.

I have to see if I can find the information, but I had come across an outfit that made custom panels. Give me a day or two.

Yannis · Post by **Yannis** » Dec 4th, '23, 23:46

JJ,

On my way back this September I encountered real Bertram weather and one of the damages was that all the cluster with all gauges plus the steering wheel, fell onto my feet...
I took the cluster frame (after I removed all gauges) to my inox guy and he will copy-paste the frame with the exact gauge holes and retaining screw holes. He told me this is done by computer...he will then paint it electrostatically. I chose aluminum 4mm thick.

franzmerenda · Post by **franzmerenda** » Dec 5th, '23, 03:39

jayjays1 wrote: ↑Dec 4th, '23, 18:26 Thanks so far everyone. I am definitely interested in the cluster panel please! I won't need the gauges as they will be will all be new. My cell is 441 705 7179

Thanks JJ

JJ,

Are you looking for something like this (Holes size apart)?

Craig Mac · Post by **Craig Mac** » Dec 5th, '23, 08:28

Its missing the push start and horn holes.

It is called a Stewart-Warner Hollywood Guage Panel

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=ht ... egUIARD2AQ

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=htt ... AdAAAAABAK

franzmerenda · Post by **franzmerenda** » Dec 5th, '23, 11:56

Craig Mac wrote: ↑Dec 5th, '23, 08:28 Its missing the push start and horn holes.

It is called a Stewart-Warner Hollywood Guage Panel

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=ht ... egUIARD2AQ

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=htt ... AdAAAAABAK

It's a sample picture...
The Seller supplies them with custom machined holes on request

Tony Meola · Post by **Tony Meola** » Dec 5th, '23, 14:34

If you want to update the look and use the newer material try one of these outfits:

https://newwiremarine.com/custom-switch ... ers-guide/

https://www.grant3d.com/boat-gallery

http://www.deepbluemarine.com/custom-de ... leryID=131

https://www.boatoutfitters.com/custom-dash-panels

I have seen the Hollywood style dash in the newer material, and it looks pretty good. You could also get the Hollywood style in metal and have an insert of the newer material cut to fit. The original panel had a black insert. I redid mine without the start buttons since they were moved onto the dash bulkhead right under the steering wheel during the repower. I now have ignition keys also. The horn button I relocated also to another area of the dash.

jayjays1 · Post by **jayjays1** » Dec 5th, '23, 18:45

Hey Guys thanks much. Are these made of aluminum of chromed bronze or brass?

jayjays1 · Post by **jayjays1** » Dec 5th, '23, 18:56

Ok looks like I need the Hollywood panel like in the 3rd and 4th pics but where can I get one either original of fabricated? Would prefer an original in bronze I think they were?

Tony Meola · Post by **Tony Meola** » Dec 5th, '23, 21:25

You would need to find someone who could fabricate one or find a 31 that is being redone and the owner does not want the original from the boat. Otherwise, I don't think you will find an original.

I would keep an eye on ebay because if one pops up for sale it would be there. Like this one I just found.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/132284677344?v ... 35ddf32dd8

Looks like the seller will make them to your dimensions.

Yannis · Post by **Yannis** » Dec 5th, '23, 22:45

C’mon guys, no one in their right minds would spend 6-800 for a panel like this. This brushed stainless or aluminium already exists in sheets, suffices to find a used panel to take dimensions of. The holes are custom anyway.

Bruce · Post by **Bruce** » Dec 6th, '23, 05:29

I have an original panel chrome in really good shape if you are interested. Donation to the site.
I may have the pilaster steps also. I'll look.

franzmerenda · Post by **franzmerenda** » Dec 6th, '23, 10:10

Bruce wrote: ↑Dec 6th, '23, 05:29 I have an original panel chrome in really good shape if you are interested. Donation to the site.
I may have the pilaster steps also. I'll look.

Bruce,

If jayjays is not interested in the pilaster steps, I am.
If you're so kind to PM I'll reply.
No probs for shipment; I'm collecting parts there to be shipped in a bulk here all in once.
THX,
francesco

jayjays1 · Post by **jayjays1** » Dec 6th, '23, 14:11

Hey Bruce let me know if you have them as am def interested.

JJ

bob lico · Post by **bob lico** » Dec 7th, '23, 13:29

i have a 1973 31 Bertram steering wheel in perfect condition it is free on my end just a donation to the site.

jayjays1 · Post by **jayjays1** » Dec 7th, '23, 18:25

Hi Bob could you possibly post a Pic?

jayjays1 · Post by **jayjays1** » Dec 7th, '23, 18:28

Hi Bruce not sure if my PMs are getting through? Did you receive them? They seem to be stuck in my outbox.

Rawleigh · Post by **Rawleigh** » Dec 8th, '23, 12:59

Good to hear from you again JayJay! Sounds like a good project! Rawleigh

jayjays1 · Post by **jayjays1** » Dec 8th, '23, 14:55

Good to be back Rawleigh. Seems I can't kick the habit of buying/restoring Bertrams! This latest one I'll take the flybridge off (its only bolted on) and convert her to a sedan so I can get under the bridge easier. The 25 hardtop is fast but she isn't in some seas on the way to work!

jayjays1 · Post by **jayjays1** » Dec 8th, '23, 14:59

Hey there Bruce did you have any luck locating the steps and the gauge panel? I am having poor luck using PM. I must be doing something wrong.

Tony Meola · Post by **Tony Meola** » Dec 8th, '23, 22:43

Jayjay

Bruce has been dealing with a bunch of stuff besides this site. He will be back on here shortly.

jayjays1 · Post by **jayjays1** » Dec 9th, '23, 16:34

Thanks Tony understood.

jayjays1 · Post by **jayjays1** » Dec 28th, '23, 10:15

Hey DCJ, I am having trouble sending messages from private Messenger. Could you possibly post pic sof the cluster panel when you have a chance? I am not crazy about the aluminium ones.

JJ

JeremyD · Post by **JeremyD** » Dec 28th, '23, 14:54

I have one of the original cluster panels - if you haven't already found one. donation to the site if cool for me -

I replaced it with a custom panel from New wire marine

jayjays1 · Post by **jayjays1** » Dec 28th, '23, 17:17

Yes Jeremy very much appreciated! Can anyone tell me how to make a donation to the site??
Doc

JeremyD · Post by **JeremyD** » Dec 29th, '23, 06:01

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12919

jayjays1 · Post by **jayjays1** » Dec 30th, '23, 10:05

Jeremy, just want to make sure this is the right one. Difficult to tell from the pics but underneath the black, is this the same metal plate as appears in pics on this post with the little scroll flourish at the top of the plate and a rolled border round the edge?
JJ

JeremyD · Post by **JeremyD** » Dec 30th, '23, 16:45

Sorry - it's the same shape - but does not have the raised lip or scroll

I remember when I was looking I found some similar dash pods

https://www.roadstersupply.com/Stewart- ... -60032.htm

jayjays1 · Post by **jayjays1** » Dec 30th, '23, 19:39

OK thanks Jeremy but I am looking for the other kind. Hopefully one will come up on eBay sometime.

Tony Meola · Post by **Tony Meola** » Jan 2nd, '24, 22:45

The original dash is aluminum and with a raised lip around the edge. They used a black composite that fit in the center. The plate was not painted or coated in black. When we repowered the diesel shop had a new insert cut for me.

If you can get the metal Hollywood style in metal, just get the black composite cut to fit. New Wire Marine or one of the others should be able to do it for you.

jayjays1 · Post by **jayjays1** » Jan 3rd, '24, 09:41

Thanks Tony, The one on my FB 31 is is chromed bronze so I am holding out for one like that! The aluminium ones don't do it for me now as I can't "unsee" the bronze version!

Tony Meola · Post by **Tony Meola** » Jan 3rd, '24, 21:40

You are probably right; they might all be bronze. In any event, they all have the black composite insert. If yours is all chrome then someone removed the black insert and just left the metal showing.

jayjays1 · Post by **jayjays1** » Jan 4th, '24, 09:40

Thanks Tony understood.

JJ

Amberjack · Post by **Amberjack** » Jan 4th, '24, 18:06

Instrument panel on my 1969 Bertram. I think it is most likely original as I’ve had the boat for quite a few years and the two previous owners that I know were mostly interested in fish not boat work. The frame is chrome over bronze. Not sure what material the insert is but don’t think it is plated. The fit is perfect.

jayjays1 · Post by **jayjays1** » Jan 5th, '24, 09:15

That is the one!!